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(Daily Mail)   Wesley Clark gives Burning Man four stars   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 95
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2013-09-02 02:13:56 AM
Anything that big on federal land is a government experiment. It even looks like a petri dish from above.
 
2013-09-02 11:44:59 AM
Let's hope he calls in air strikes
 
2013-09-02 11:58:42 AM
Joshua Graham not amused, profligate.
 
2013-09-02 12:08:35 PM
And 20 years ago we thought Clinton was frivolous for appearing on Arsenio Hall.
 
2013-09-02 12:21:39 PM
Burning Man is retarded.
 
2013-09-02 12:23:00 PM

Nadie_AZ: Joshua Graham not amused, profligate.


HA HA.....would lol again.

/reloads 12.7mm submachine gun
 
2013-09-02 12:25:13 PM

realmolo: Burning Man is retarded.


Please, do tell me more.
 
2013-09-02 12:26:19 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-02 12:26:48 PM
Those are some awesome photos, I'd love to go just for the visuals.
 
2013-09-02 12:28:23 PM
Freaks come out!
 
2013-09-02 12:29:08 PM
I'm curious about the carbon footprint of this festival.
 
2013-09-02 12:30:24 PM

realmolo: Burning Man is retarded.


So you mean that you have never gone to a burn before.  Sucks to be you.

I've been to burning man and I go to 2 or 3 regional Burning Man events each year.  Great time!
 
2013-09-02 12:33:13 PM
The military is full of people who repress their free-thinker/hippie/artist inclinations (at least outwardly) to fit in.  Despite the stereotype of servicemembers being all Christian, Republican straightlaced conservatives, I've known a number of pagans, hippie-types. artists and other counterculture types in the military who keep that stuff mostly to themselves, at least until they get out.  Much like gay and bi servicemembers had to until recently.

Heck, I had a Drill Sergeant in Basic that bragged to us that he went to Burning Man each year.  The way he put it, he spent all year saving up his leave, all 30 days of it, and cashed it in at once.  As he put it, "For those 30 days, I take on a very unmilitary appearance, I go out to the Nevada Desert for a few weeks, and I'm no Drill Sergeant when I'm there."  Was it true?  Who knows, but it was an interesting speech to get for sure.

So, a retired 4-star making an appearance at Burning Man is mildly interesting, but no shocker.
 
2013-09-02 12:35:14 PM

jigger: I'm curious about the carbon footprint of this festival.


That is one of the kinda ironic things that we all (burners) consider.  I have done a few art projects that involve fire and I know how many thousands of pounds of propane that even small burns go through.  That said, the majority of people are not driving anywhere so it may become carbon neutral at a point.  Burners also have an infatuation with bacon, which I am totally cool with.
 
2013-09-02 12:36:04 PM

jigger: I'm curious about the carbon footprint of this festival.


I was kinda wondering about that myself.

I've never been, not been hugely interested (mildly curious, admittedly, but nowhere near enough to go to Nevada for it), but I thought they just burned a big wooden statue at the end, not burning a huge sculpture every night.  I've read, at least here on Fark, that they are fanatical about cleaning up after themselves and environmental preservation, but the carbon output of that many colossal bonfires must be significant.
 
2013-09-02 12:36:49 PM

FrancoFile: And 20 years ago we thought Clinton was frivolous for appearing on Arsenio Hall.


After Nixon appeared on Laugh In, all bets were off.
 
2013-09-02 12:41:42 PM

CJHardin: So you mean that you have never gone to a burn before.  Sucks to be you.


Yeah, not camping in the middle of a barren wasteland that oscilates between super hot and cold is missing out.
 
2013-09-02 12:43:42 PM
I prefer burning ham.

sizzlinsow.co.uk
 
2013-09-02 12:43:53 PM

jigger: I'm curious about the carbon footprint of this festival.


There are more camp fires lit across the country on any given night than all of the fires over the course of a Burning Man.
 
2013-09-02 12:44:37 PM
Juggalo Gathering for Hipsters.  Looks like fun.
 
2013-09-02 12:44:58 PM
We lured all the unimaginative trend-following hipsters to some godforsaken waterless campsite in the desert, then we started knocking down the San Francisco - Oakland Bay Bridge.

www.automizeit.com
 
2013-09-02 12:45:22 PM

lilplatinum: CJHardin: So you mean that you have never gone to a burn before.  Sucks to be you.

Yeah, not camping in the middle of a barren wasteland that oscilates between super hot and cold is missing out.


Not all burns are in the middle of the desert.  The closest regional event for me is 25 minutes away called Transformus.  It is held in a very nice festival venue in Asheville, NC in a temperate rain forest and has 2 lakes to swim and boat in.  There are also far less people there, this year we had about 2600.  Burning Man is by far the most inhospitable but some folks like the additional challenge in their experience.
 
2013-09-02 12:45:34 PM

Silverstaff: jigger: I'm curious about the carbon footprint of this festival.

I was kinda wondering about that myself.

I've never been, not been hugely interested (mildly curious, admittedly, but nowhere near enough to go to Nevada for it), but I thought they just burned a big wooden statue at the end, not burning a huge sculpture every night.  I've read, at least here on Fark, that they are fanatical about cleaning up after themselves and environmental preservation, but the carbon output of that many colossal bonfires must be significant.


Here's some 2006 numbers pulled out of Coolingman's ass: http://www.coolingman.org/learn_more/burning_man_estimated_climate_im p act.html
Also, ftfa: "It is unknown if Clark, 68, has taken his 30-year-old girlfriend with him." TIL...
 
2013-09-02 12:46:30 PM

StopLurkListen: We lured all the unimaginative trend-following hipsters to some godforsaken waterless campsite in the desert, then we started knocking down the San Francisco - Oakland Bay Bridge.

[www.automizeit.com image 328x240]


Yeah, all that art looks so unimaginative and trendy.  You must be a blast at parties.
 
2013-09-02 12:51:27 PM
I'm more concerned about the quantity of usable lumber that's burned. Comparing it to campfires might be apt as far as greenhouse gas emissions go, but remember that campfires are usually fueled with logs or scrap wood. These BM "ephemeral art" installations are built with thousands of board-feet of good, usable wood that is torched just a few days later. It's kind of sad, really.

Don't get me wrong, I would like to attend BM one of these years and take in the whole spectacle. I'm just not big on the obsession with burning everything in sight.
 
2013-09-02 12:51:55 PM

CJHardin: lilplatinum: CJHardin: So you mean that you have never gone to a burn before.  Sucks to be you.

Yeah, not camping in the middle of a barren wasteland that oscilates between super hot and cold is missing out.

Not all burns are in the middle of the desert.  The closest regional event for me is 25 minutes away called Transformus.  It is held in a very nice festival venue in Asheville, NC in a temperate rain forest and has 2 lakes to swim and boat in.  There are also far less people there, this year we had about 2600.  Burning Man is by far the most inhospitable but some folks like the additional challenge in their experience.


Local ones I could understand (I'm still too old for camping long term and if i'm out doing drugs in nature I prefer not to be around hundreds or thousands of randos), but the idea of spending a week out in the desert is fundamentally bizzare.  A couple days in an RV at coachella when I was a kid and I felt absolutely disgusting, but at least there if I ran out of toilet paper I could just exchange these little green bits of paper for more instead of some far more esoteric barter system.
 
2013-09-02 12:54:46 PM
TO WESLEY CLARK!!!

i912.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-02 12:56:14 PM

Apik0r0s: Also, ftfa: "It is unknown if Clark, 68, has taken his 30-year-old girlfriend with him." TIL...


Upgrade?
 
2013-09-02 12:56:43 PM

lilplatinum: CJHardin: lilplatinum: CJHardin: So you mean that you have never gone to a burn before.  Sucks to be you.

Yeah, not camping in the middle of a barren wasteland that oscilates between super hot and cold is missing out.

Not all burns are in the middle of the desert.  The closest regional event for me is 25 minutes away called Transformus.  It is held in a very nice festival venue in Asheville, NC in a temperate rain forest and has 2 lakes to swim and boat in.  There are also far less people there, this year we had about 2600.  Burning Man is by far the most inhospitable but some folks like the additional challenge in their experience.

Local ones I could understand (I'm still too old for camping long term and if i'm out doing drugs in nature I prefer not to be around hundreds or thousands of randos), but the idea of spending a week out in the desert is fundamentally bizzare.  A couple days in an RV at coachella when I was a kid and I felt absolutely disgusting, but at least there if I ran out of toilet paper I could just exchange these little green bits of paper for more instead of some far more esoteric barter system.


I've only attended BM once and yes, it's extremely dirty.  I attended it with friends while on leave from the Army after a deployment so we had the extra cash to rent a motor coach.  Regardless, we got very dusty and it was bizzare that we went to vacation in a desert after getting back from a desert.  As far as the TP goes, one of the principles of BM is radical self reliance, so you shouldn't run out to begin with.  The gifting economy is...different but I've never gone without stuff that I want.
 
2013-09-02 12:57:47 PM
If you refer to Burning Man as "a burn", I hate you.
 
2013-09-02 01:00:00 PM

CJHardin: StopLurkListen: We lured all the unimaginative trend-following hipsters to some godforsaken waterless campsite in the desert, then we started knocking down the San Francisco - Oakland Bay Bridge.

[www.automizeit.com image 328x240]

Yeah, all that art looks so unimaginative and trendy.  You must be a blast at parties.


Yeah, your bleeding sarcasm in your support for Hipster art isn't appreciated.

Take "Interior Semiotics"

cdn.uproxx.com

And these are the people watching her do her crap "art" and cheered at the end of it.

media.rhizome.org
They're the same people who show up at Burning Man these days.

/Not all art from these Hipsters is bad, it's just a very large majority of it is pure crap
 
2013-09-02 01:01:04 PM
So is it all electronic music or are there live bands too?
 
2013-09-02 01:02:39 PM

CJHardin: I've only attended BM once and yes, it's extremely dirty.  I attended it with friends while on leave from the Army after a deployment so we had the extra cash to rent a motor coach.  Regardless, we got very dusty and it was bizzare that we went to vacation in a desert after getting back from a desert.  As far as the TP goes, one of the principles of BM is radical self reliance, so you shouldn't run out to begin with.  The gifting economy is...different but I've never gone without stuff that I want.


Can you stuff enough shiat in a vehicle to survive a week in the desert without being horridly uncomfortable at the end?
 
2013-09-02 01:04:25 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: CJHardin: StopLurkListen: We lured all the unimaginative trend-following hipsters to some godforsaken waterless campsite in the desert, then we started knocking down the San Francisco - Oakland Bay Bridge.

[www.automizeit.com image 328x240]

Yeah, all that art looks so unimaginative and trendy.  You must be a blast at parties.

Yeah, your bleeding sarcasm in your support for Hipster art isn't appreciated.

Take "Interior Semiotics"

[cdn.uproxx.com image 463x332]

And these are the people watching her do her crap "art" and cheered at the end of it.

[media.rhizome.org image 477x355]
They're the same people who show up at Burning Man these days.

/Not all art from these Hipsters is bad, it's just a very large majority of it is pure crap


I am not a fan of hipster art, and not everyone that attends BM is a hipster.  They do show up at burns, and some do some questionable "art".  For each lame art project there are 10 that are amazing.
 
2013-09-02 01:07:22 PM
DarkSoulNoHope:
/Not all art from these Hipsters is bad, it's just a very large majority of it is pure crap

This is true for all "art".  Kinda weird to label shiat hipster art too since the label 'hipster' (which is latin for "someone who does something I don't enjoy") is often synonymous in general with 'artist' in general parlance.
 
2013-09-02 01:07:47 PM

lilplatinum: CJHardin: I've only attended BM once and yes, it's extremely dirty.  I attended it with friends while on leave from the Army after a deployment so we had the extra cash to rent a motor coach.  Regardless, we got very dusty and it was bizzare that we went to vacation in a desert after getting back from a desert.  As far as the TP goes, one of the principles of BM is radical self reliance, so you shouldn't run out to begin with.  The gifting economy is...different but I've never gone without stuff that I want.

Can you stuff enough shiat in a vehicle to survive a week in the desert without being horridly uncomfortable at the end?


Absolutely.  It's not easy, but it's doable.  It helps when you have others that form a unified camp though so each person brings a portion of equipment for the entire camp and the majority of your stuff coming with you is food and personal items. The new hotness is hexayurts, a temporary yurt constructed of insulation sheets and thermal tape.  They were developed to provide housing for tsunami victims and they are quite comfortable and portable.
 
2013-09-02 01:11:39 PM

Warchild: TO WESLEY CLARK!!!

[i912.photobucket.com image 400x298]


Later that evening...

www.downfallguild.org

THERE ARE FOUR STARS!
 
2013-09-02 01:12:21 PM
Not having read the article, do they think he's going to make another run for president in 2016?
 
2013-09-02 01:12:52 PM
Also, here is a good video of the local burn I attend each year.  Quadcopter style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omw0KDCa5Lw
 
2013-09-02 01:18:12 PM
FTA: although it is unknown if he has taken his girlfriend, Shauna Mei, who is less than half his age.

So she's what, 32? Scandalous.
 
2013-09-02 01:19:15 PM

CJHardin: StopLurkListen: We lured all the unimaginative trend-following hipsters to some godforsaken waterless campsite in the desert, then we started knocking down the San Francisco - Oakland Bay Bridge.

[www.automizeit.com image 328x240]

Yeah, all that art looks so unimaginative and trendy.  You must be a blast at parties.


lol, I am an artist. 'Open Studios' are when you get to see lots of the awesome stuff, without all the idiocy.

I'm just done doing overcrowded, overhyped events with a bunch of drunken or stoned child-adult dorks doing something just to "check off that thing on their list" and hopefully see/leer at/Instagram naked boobs.
 
2013-09-02 01:19:35 PM
+1 to Subby, I snickered at the headline.

/yeah, I know I should say snegro
//but I'm from the south
///It's a heritage thang
 
2013-09-02 01:20:22 PM
assets.nydailynews.com
This is Clark's new woman. He is divorcing his wife of a million years. So I'd say the new and improved one has something to do wit it.
 
2013-09-02 01:21:42 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: CJHardin: StopLurkListen: We lured all the unimaginative trend-following hipsters to some godforsaken waterless campsite in the desert, then we started knocking down the San Francisco - Oakland Bay Bridge.

[www.automizeit.com image 328x240]

Yeah, all that art looks so unimaginative and trendy.  You must be a blast at parties.

Yeah, your bleeding sarcasm in your support for Hipster art isn't appreciated.

Take "Interior Semiotics"

[cdn.uproxx.com image 463x332]

And these are the people watching her do her crap "art" and cheered at the end of it.

[media.rhizome.org image 477x355]
They're the same people who show up at Burning Man these days.

/Not all art from these Hipsters is bad, it's just a very large majority of it is pure crap


It looks as if you're trying to carry your point that Burning Man is stupid by showing photos of something stupid that's not related to Burning Man at all. New to this "constructing an argument" thing?
 
2013-09-02 01:25:36 PM

StopLurkListen: CJHardin: StopLurkListen: We lured all the unimaginative trend-following hipsters to some godforsaken waterless campsite in the desert, then we started knocking down the San Francisco - Oakland Bay Bridge.

[www.automizeit.com image 328x240]

Yeah, all that art looks so unimaginative and trendy.  You must be a blast at parties.

lol, I am an artist. 'Open Studios' are when you get to see lots of the awesome stuff, without all the idiocy.

I'm just done doing overcrowded, overhyped events with a bunch of drunken or stoned child-adult dorks doing something just to "check off that thing on their list" and hopefully see/leer at/Instagram naked boobs.


I agree that BM has been overhyped and is prone to having the bucket listers.  I tend to be around the hardcore burners more since I volunteer as a medic for most of the burns that I attend.  The ones that have no plans to attend again do tend to be more annoying though and cause more problems than the ones who are already planning what they will do next year.
 
2013-09-02 01:35:34 PM

realmolo: Burning Man is retarded.


You sound old. Or maybe fat. Probably both.
 
2013-09-02 01:35:41 PM
I once wanted to go, now it looks more like a rich tourist event.
 
2013-09-02 01:40:22 PM
So I'm assuming that about 99% of the people are high on drugs pretty much all the time?
 
2013-09-02 01:45:13 PM

lilplatinum: since the label 'hipster' (which is latin for "someone who does something I don't enjoy")


No, the label "hipster" is used for a group of people (a large group, making it a mainstream movement) who are supposed to be so "alternative" and "unique" that it's supposed to be undefinable. Yet it's the same exact: clothing (grandpa hats, skinny jeans, chuck taylors, thick rimmed glasses [sometimes even if the person has no medical need for glasses, just uses the empty frames], etc) that they wear, unintelligible music with some sort of fake genre whose name is really drawn out ("Hey, I just saw that band the 'Purple Dildos' play today at the coffee house 'Bean & Drip'. They played a 'Revised Hip Hop New Wave Transcendent New Age House Folk Revival' style, which is so obscure you've never heard of it before!"), art with little meaning beyond that it's "different" (like the aforementioned "performance art" I described) than other art that has been "done before", pageantry of overly expensive restaurants with "obscure" food items (e.g. the "Ramen noodle burger") with ingredients put together because it's "different" not because it "tastes good", reviving old outdated technology (e.g. typewriters, vinyl records, etc) because it's "not mainstream" instead of a meaningful reason, and last (not because there isn't more, it's just I grew tired of typing!) the combined snooty attitude of all of them. Of course this is a downer response, you want funny or better informed response than mine? Watch Portlandia or The Simpsons episode "The Day the Earth Stood Cool" they're funnier than me.
 
2013-09-02 01:48:55 PM
So a horn dog democrat went to hang out with some nekkid dirty hipster biatches. Clinton probably goes every year wearing a mask and nothing else.
 
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