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(Collider)   Marvel Comics next phase could include Civil War, Dark Reign, or The New Avengers. So long as they don't stray towards Heroes Reborn, House of M, or Secret Invasion   (collider.com ) divider line
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2013-09-02 08:20:41 AM  
I can see Civil War happening, with Cap2 planting a lot of seeds for it. I'm guessing Avengers 4 is where it will all play out.
 
2013-09-02 08:35:38 AM  
Civil War was good? Go home, you're drunk, failmitter.

Dang, never seen so many tags in one story.
 
2013-09-02 08:39:04 AM  
Christ, it'd take them 20 years to properly setup for House of M, and even then they'd need a full prequel trilogy before getting to "No More Mutants".
 
2013-09-02 08:41:58 AM  
The only one of those that might happen is the Infinity Gauntlet.

Movie rights to the various Marvel series are split across too many studios for the others to be even remotely possible.
 
2013-09-02 08:49:20 AM  
Since when has "Secret Wars" been fondly remebered (which is the only comic event I'm familiar with on that list)? Aside from Civil War, all of those ideas actually sound pretty stupid...even though with some amount of of tweaking they would be doable.
 
2013-09-02 08:52:02 AM  
Um...none of those movies would work unless Marvel got the rights to the X-Men and Spiderman back.
 
2013-09-02 08:54:24 AM  
I can't see civil war happening without spider man
 
2013-09-02 08:54:32 AM  
Dark Reign won't work without Osborne.
 
2013-09-02 08:55:51 AM  

snowshovel: Since when has "Secret Wars" been fondly remebered (which is the only comic event I'm familiar with on that list)? Aside from Civil War, all of those ideas actually sound pretty stupid...even though with some amount of of tweaking they would be doable.



Which Secret Wars do you mean? The Classic one, where a whole bunch of heroes were teleported elsewhere to fight? Or the Modern one where...um...stuff...happened. I guess. Took 3 years for all five issues to come out, I kinda lost the thread.
 
2013-09-02 08:56:40 AM  

KingoftheCheese: Um...none of those movies would work unless Marvel got the rights to the X-Men and Spiderman back.


Disney needs to pony up the money to get those rights back.
 
2013-09-02 08:58:14 AM  
I think we all know the Infinity Gauntlet story is coming some time.

The others seem a lot less likely.
 
2013-09-02 09:01:58 AM  
I wouldn't mind seeing a Messiah Complex movie, but you would have to set it up with House Of M. Same with AVX.
 
2013-09-02 09:02:33 AM  
Civil War made me stop buying marvel comics altogether.

Fark you Mark Millar, Paul Jenkins and Joe Quesada. Specially because apparently, we were supposed to side with Tony.
 
2013-09-02 09:05:49 AM  

Alphax: I think we all know the Infinity Gauntlet story is coming some time.

The others seem a lot less likely.


That's probably Avengers 3. We've got Thanos, a gem and the gauntlet itself already shown, and GOTG will certainly expand on all that.
 
2013-09-02 09:07:57 AM  

Dinobot: Civil War made me stop buying marvel comics altogether.

Fark you Mark Millar, Paul Jenkins and Joe Quesada. Specially because apparently, we were supposed to side with Tony.


Kind of the opposite for me. I got back into Marvel about 6 months ago when they released the MDCU app for the iPad. Civil War was one of the first events I read and it really got me hooked on comics again.
 
2013-09-02 09:09:22 AM  

bighairyguy: Alphax: I think we all know the Infinity Gauntlet story is coming some time.

The others seem a lot less likely.

That's probably Avengers 3. We've got Thanos, a gem and the gauntlet itself already shown, and GOTG will certainly expand on all that.


I was browsing the Wikipedia entries on the Guardians the other day, and I think one of them had the Gem of Strength at one time.
 
2013-09-02 09:10:35 AM  
Bah.  I still want World War Hulk.
 
2013-09-02 09:10:46 AM  

KingoftheCheese: Dinobot: Civil War made me stop buying marvel comics altogether.

Fark you Mark Millar, Paul Jenkins and Joe Quesada. Specially because apparently, we were supposed to side with Tony.

Kind of the opposite for me. I got back into Marvel about 6 months ago when they released the MDCU app for the iPad. Civil War was one of the first events I read and it really got me hooked on comics again.


I think the reason why Civil War pissed me off is that I read Civil War and Civil War Frontlines. If you skip Frontlines, Civil War is more enjoyable, but if you have read both, it's hard to to consider one without the other.
 
2013-09-02 09:15:29 AM  
And with Secret Invasion they would have to properly introduce the Skrull
 
2013-09-02 09:20:12 AM  

Alphax: bighairyguy: Alphax: I think we all know the Infinity Gauntlet story is coming some time.

The others seem a lot less likely.

That's probably Avengers 3. We've got Thanos, a gem and the gauntlet itself already shown, and GOTG will certainly expand on all that.

I was browsing the Wikipedia entries on the Guardians the other day, and I think one of them had the Gem of Strength at one time.


Story lines are being rewritten so anything is possible in the MCU. Example: IM3 / Mandarin. Also, Ultron won't be built by Pym, most likely now by Stark, and they've recently stated that Drax is motivated to kill Ronan, not Thanos. I'm sure gems will get tossed into the mix, but I wouldn't expect it to be like the comics.
 
2013-09-02 09:38:48 AM  
I think Civil War is doable as a movie/2 movies. Either Pony Up for Spider-Man for his big reveal (which is a hell of an emotional hit for fans)  or swap out something else of equal importance (can't think of one off the top of my head, but they're good at this stuff).  Hulk HAS to be exiled, which helps set a Planet Hulk solo movie 2018 /WWH in 2019.. Of the major events listed, it's not a stupid thing to go after.  By then, Sony will have gotten tired of making the same Spider-Man movie and they'll get Osborne back to skip Dark Reign and go straight to Seige (they could even swap around Ragnorak and Sentry to avoid setting up Bob while still getting their Superman analog and tying it back to Civil War).

That's assuming that Guardians and Infinity Gauntlet don't tax viewers patience.  I'm a mega-Marvel nerd (tell my kids to "Face front, true believers!") and I don't go for the cosmic, so I'm trepidatious.

What I'm more concerned about are the X-Men stories.  The mutant population isn't nearly as high in the movieverse, and that thing's such a mess I don't think they can salvage it.  Here's my best pitch: Do it after First Class and ignore the rest.  back in the States, pre-PC age, maybe early 80s, and go with Sentinels.  Nothing world spanning, very mutant specific, emphasis how they COULD be a threat to the number of mutants at the time.  I'd like the original 5 and then use the All-New! All-Different tagline for the sequal and bring in the international crew The cover's such a famous image, they could do some cool stuff with that.  I think the really great Claremont stories are unfilmiable - too much plot, too much that needs to be in place to work.  Hell, I think Cable's Burnt Offering would make a neat movie, but think about what has to be in place for Cable to work: Sinister, Apocalypse, T/O virus, essentially all of X-Factor v1.  So put the new team up against Sinister/Apocalypse, it ups the stakes and maybe it could take place over a long period of time and we do the Nathan sacrifice at the end before Pocy bites it.  Bonus: Archangel. Third movie: Fatal Attractions.  That would allow for a couple more spinoffs, I'm thinking Genosha and possibly Inferno.

Yes, I'm dating myself.  I'm trying to catch up on the last 10 years of x-men crossovers, but goddamn is it confusing.  I can't tell what order to read what in, Cable's got to be like 190 years old now, They just restart numbering on titles every year.  I've got everything digitally but I have no clue what order to read what storylines in.  I've enjoyed the bits i've read but it seems that CAble is so necessary to any of it that the above scenario is completely unavoidable.
 
2013-09-02 09:50:55 AM  

TelemonianAjax: I think Civil War is doable as a movie/2 movies. Either Pony Up for Spider-Man for his big reveal (which is a hell of an emotional hit for fans)  or swap out something else of equal importance (can't think of one off the top of my head, but they're good at this stuff).  Hulk HAS to be exiled, which helps set a Planet Hulk solo movie 2018 /WWH in 2019.. Of the major events listed, it's not a stupid thing to go after.  By then, Sony will have gotten tired of making the same Spider-Man movie and they'll get Osborne back to skip Dark Reign and go straight to Seige (they could even swap around Ragnorak and Sentry to avoid setting up Bob while still getting their Superman analog and tying it back to Civil War).

That's assuming that Guardians and Infinity Gauntlet don't tax viewers patience.  I'm a mega-Marvel nerd (tell my kids to "Face front, true believers!") and I don't go for the cosmic, so I'm trepidatious.

What I'm more concerned about are the X-Men stories.  The mutant population isn't nearly as high in the movieverse, and that thing's such a mess I don't think they can salvage it.  Here's my best pitch: Do it after First Class and ignore the rest.  back in the States, pre-PC age, maybe early 80s, and go with Sentinels.  Nothing world spanning, very mutant specific, emphasis how they COULD be a threat to the number of mutants at the time.  I'd like the original 5 and then use the All-New! All-Different tagline for the sequal and bring in the international crew The cover's such a famous image, they could do some cool stuff with that.  I think the really great Claremont stories are unfilmiable - too much plot, too much that needs to be in place to work.  Hell, I think Cable's Burnt Offering would make a neat movie, but think about what has to be in place for Cable to work: Sinister, Apocalypse, T/O virus, essentially all of X-Factor v1.  So put the new team up against Sinister/Apocalypse, it ups the stakes and maybe it could take place over a long period of time an ...


Imagine a movie based off of Inferno
 
2013-09-02 10:01:31 AM  
It's clear to me that they're setting up the Infinity Gauntlet to be the peak of this plethora of Marvel movies and I'm okay with that.

anything else that comes after is just icing on the cake.

It continues to amuse me that Marvel has movie ideas stretched out into 2020 and beyond and DC is still struggling to get beyond solo-Superman and solo-Batman movie trilogies.
 
2013-09-02 10:05:41 AM  
TelemonianAjax:
What I'm more concerned about are the X-Men stories.

Well, we've got Days of Future Past coming up so that's looking promising.  I'm a huge X-Men nerd from the Dark Phoenix days but even I have to admit that title is so messed up at this point, it's almost unsalvageable.  They've gone through so many writers, ret-cons, and dumb storylines (Phoenix 5?  Really??) that it's become an almost un-navigable mess.  We almost need another House of M just to wipe the slate clean and start fresh with a new team (plus Wolverine--can't ditch him.  And Magik. And Kitty.  I like them too much.  I spent literally decades hoping they'd bring back Illyana.)
 
2013-09-02 10:06:23 AM  

brigid_fitch: Wolverine--can't ditch him


Yes, we can.
 
2013-09-02 10:14:29 AM  
Maybe it's just me remembering this as a kid fondly, but if Marvel could get all of its rights back, the Infinity Gauntlet would be awesome.  Watching Thanos kill all of the superheroes was awesome.

\and, as a Silver Surfer fan, it was nice to see him come out on top for once
\\one of the most powerful beings in the universe and he still gets whupped often
 
2013-09-02 10:16:58 AM  
Can I get a MCU Punisher MAX movie, maybe? Welcome Back Frank or something?

I'm REALLY looking forward to Doctor Strange.
 
2013-09-02 10:17:04 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Maybe it's just me remembering this as a kid fondly, but if Marvel could get all of its rights back, the Infinity Gauntlet would be awesome.  Watching Thanos kill all of the superheroes was awesome.

\and, as a Silver Surfer fan, it was nice to see him come out on top for once
\\one of the most powerful beings in the universe and he still gets whupped often


Well, we know the Infinity Gauntlet exists.  There's a shot of it in the first Thor movie, in the Asgardian vault.

And the first Avengers movie, Loki's staff has the Mind Gem in it.  That's what he's using to mentally dominate everyone around him.

We know that Thanos exists in this movieverse and is the one who gave the Mind Gem to Loki.

And now the Tesserack cube is back in the Asgardian Vault, with the Infinity Gauntlet.  And we know that the Cube can be used to open Portals across the universe...

I think it's all but obvious by this point that the Infinity Gauntlet is going to happen.
 
2013-09-02 10:18:29 AM  
The biggest constraint to all of this is Marvel only doing two movies per year. We'd all like 3 or 4 a year but there's probably not enough time, talent and resources to pull it off at a quality / success level we are now accustomed. Given Hollywood's penchant for murdering franchises to go for the quick buck, I'll just grit my teeth while waiting for each new MCU installment.
 
2013-09-02 10:35:55 AM  

Infernalist: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Maybe it's just me remembering this as a kid fondly, but if Marvel could get all of its rights back, the Infinity Gauntlet would be awesome.  Watching Thanos kill all of the superheroes was awesome.

\and, as a Silver Surfer fan, it was nice to see him come out on top for once
\\one of the most powerful beings in the universe and he still gets whupped often

Well, we know the Infinity Gauntlet exists.  There's a shot of it in the first Thor movie, in the Asgardian vault.

And the first Avengers movie, Loki's staff has the Mind Gem in it.  That's what he's using to mentally dominate everyone around him.

We know that Thanos exists in this movieverse and is the one who gave the Mind Gem to Loki.

And now the Tesserack cube is back in the Asgardian Vault, with the Infinity Gauntlet.  And we know that the Cube can be used to open Portals across the universe...

I think it's all but obvious by this point that the Infinity Gauntlet is going to happen.


Still, it's gonna be hard to pull off an intergalactic struggle if Marvel only has the rights to four or five intergalatic characters (that seem to be played for comedy at this time).  They need to at least get back the Fantastic Four and the Surfer.

\can't wait for Thanos to kill Cap and Thor
 
2013-09-02 10:52:02 AM  
One of the best parts of Civil War...

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-02 11:00:08 AM  

jayhawk88: Christ, it'd take them 20 years to properly setup for House of M, and even then they'd need a full prequel trilogy before getting to "No More Mutants".


I bet they try to shoehorn elements from House of M into Days of Future Past.

God, these X-Men movies suck.
 
2013-09-02 11:18:10 AM  

TelemonianAjax: I think Civil War is doable as a movie/2 movies. Either Pony Up for Spider-Man for his big reveal (which is a hell of an emotional hit for fans)  or swap out something else of equal importance (can't think of one off the top of my head, but they're good at this stuff).  Hulk HAS to be exiled, which helps set a Planet Hulk solo movie 2018 /WWH in 2019.. Of the major events listed, it's not a stupid thing to go after.  By then, Sony will have gotten tired of making the same Spider-Man movie and they'll get Osborne back to skip Dark Reign and go straight to Seige (they could even swap around Ragnorak and Sentry to avoid setting up Bob while still getting their Superman analog and tying it back to Civil War).

That's assuming that Guardians and Infinity Gauntlet don't tax viewers patience.  I'm a mega-Marvel nerd (tell my kids to "Face front, true believers!") and I don't go for the cosmic, so I'm trepidatious.

What I'm more concerned about are the X-Men stories.  The mutant population isn't nearly as high in the movieverse, and that thing's such a mess I don't think they can salvage it.  Here's my best pitch: Do it after First Class and ignore the rest.  back in the States, pre-PC age, maybe early 80s, and go with Sentinels.  Nothing world spanning, very mutant specific, emphasis how they COULD be a threat to the number of mutants at the time.  I'd like the original 5 and then use the All-New! All-Different tagline for the sequal and bring in the international crew The cover's such a famous image, they could do some cool stuff with that.  I think the really great Claremont stories are unfilmiable - too much plot, too much that needs to be in place to work.  Hell, I think Cable's Burnt Offering would make a neat movie, but think about what has to be in place for Cable to work: Sinister, Apocalypse, T/O virus, essentially all of X-Factor v1.  So put the new team up against Sinister/Apocalypse, it ups the stakes and maybe it could take place over a long period of time and we do the Nathan sacrifice at the end before Pocy bites it.  Bonus: Archangel. Third movie: Fatal Attractions.  That would allow for a couple more spinoffs, I'm thinking Genosha and possibly Inferno.

Yes, I'm dating myself.  I'm trying to catch up on the last 10 years of x-men crossovers, but goddamn is it confusing.  I can't tell what order to read what in, Cable's got to be like 190 years old now, They just restart numbering on titles every year.  I've got everything digitally but I have no clue what order to read what storylines in.  I've enjoyed the bits i've read but it seems that CAble is so necessary to any of it that the above scenario is completely unavoidable.


Patton Oswalt?
 
2013-09-02 11:31:07 AM  

Dinobot: Civil War made me stop buying marvel comics altogether.

Fark you Mark Millar, Paul Jenkins and Joe Quesada. Specially because apparently, we were supposed to side with Tony.


Naw, if comics have taught us anything it is ALWAYS SIDE WITH CAP. Hell, comic runs would be a lot shorter if issue 1 was: "okay, let's just do Cap's idea". Heck, in the latest run of New Avengers, Captain America tells the illuminati exactly what he thinks they will do, how it will go wrong and make things worse, and that they shouldn't do it. What do they do? Get rid of him, and now we are at the point where they are doing the stupid thing he warned them they would do.
 
2013-09-02 11:44:43 AM  

TheManofPA: Dinobot: Civil War made me stop buying marvel comics altogether.

Fark you Mark Millar, Paul Jenkins and Joe Quesada. Specially because apparently, we were supposed to side with Tony.

Naw, if comics have taught us anything it is ALWAYS SIDE WITH CAP. Hell, comic runs would be a lot shorter if issue 1 was: "okay, let's just do Cap's idea". Heck, in the latest run of New Avengers, Captain America tells the illuminati exactly what he thinks they will do, how it will go wrong and make things worse, and that they shouldn't do it. What do they do? Get rid of him, and now we are at the point where they are doing the stupid thing he warned them they would do.


I know, which is why many people were upset when the marvel head honchos were saying "no!, tony is right and cap is wrong!"
 
2013-09-02 12:00:57 PM  

Dinobot: I know, which is why many people were upset when the marvel head honchos were saying "no!, tony is right and cap is wrong!"


I just wish they had been more ambiguous about who was in the right.
 
2013-09-02 12:23:24 PM  

PizzaJedi81: Dinobot: I know, which is why many people were upset when the marvel head honchos were saying "no!, tony is right and cap is wrong!"

I just wish they had been more ambiguous about who was in the right.


That's the major reason Civil War sucked. It didn't really explore both sides of the argument and make good cases for them. No, instead it was an exercise in mass mischaracterization as half the Marvel heroes suddenly became jackbooted, heartless, government stooge villains. It even retconned itself before it was finished (Clor). And if that's not enough, it pretensiously masqueraded as some kind of seminal work - "Civil War - A Marvel Comic in Six Parts" oh for crying out loud. You're not Watchmen. You're not Kingdom Come. You're not Squadron Supreme.

I Don't Need Your Civil War
 
2013-09-02 12:26:19 PM  

Lord Binky: It didn't really explore both sides of the argument and make good cases for them.


Best thing it could have done was have TWO minis going simultaneously. In one, you follow Cap and his side, the other follows Tony. You show the same events, but with a different perspective on each.

And screw all that tie-in crap. I always hate that shiat.
 
2013-09-02 12:27:41 PM  
i1282.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-02 01:04:18 PM  

Lord Binky: PizzaJedi81: Dinobot: I know, which is why many people were upset when the marvel head honchos were saying "no!, tony is right and cap is wrong!"

I just wish they had been more ambiguous about who was in the right.

That's the major reason Civil War sucked. It didn't really explore both sides of the argument and make good cases for them. No, instead it was an exercise in mass mischaracterization as half the Marvel heroes suddenly became jackbooted, heartless, government stooge villains. It even retconned itself before it was finished (Clor). And if that's not enough, it pretensiously masqueraded as some kind of seminal work - "Civil War - A Marvel Comic in Six Parts" oh for crying out loud. You're not Watchmen. You're not Kingdom Come. You're not Squadron Supreme.

I Don't Need Your Civil War


Yeah, it turns out in the end it was all the skrulls' fault... and the Spidey reveal gets retconned via One More Day, just because Quesada grew up with Spidey being single.

Fark them all.
 
2013-09-02 01:14:15 PM  
What was worse? Civil War or Infinite Crisis?
 
2013-09-02 01:18:57 PM  

Trocadero: What was worse? Civil War or Infinite Crisis?


Infinite Crisis has Superboy Prime punching reality. Civil War has Sally Floyd telling the cap he sucks and that he's out of touch of what America is because he doesnt follow NASCAR and doesn't know what Myspace is.

So my vote is Civil War, simply for being a pretentious piece of political crap.
 
2013-09-02 01:27:08 PM  
I loved Secret Invasion.

But then I love alien invasion/body snatcher movies, so it was right up my alley. The whole paranoid "Who's a farkin skrull?" "No, I'm not a Skrull, honest!" schtick was so much fun.
 
2013-09-02 01:41:02 PM  
I think I'd rather see World War Hulk.
 
2013-09-02 01:43:44 PM  

Dinobot: Trocadero: What was worse? Civil War or Infinite Crisis?

Infinite Crisis has Superboy Prime punching reality. Civil War has Sally Floyd telling the cap he sucks and that he's out of touch of what America is because he doesnt follow NASCAR and doesn't know what Myspace is.

So my vote is Civil War, simply for being a pretentious piece of political crap.


Civil War gave us this:

i1282.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-02 01:48:51 PM  
As long as we're wishing, I want an Age of Apocalypse mini-series, on HBO or Showtime.
 
2013-09-02 02:01:56 PM  
I enjoyed all of those storylines. Should I kill myself?
 
2013-09-02 02:02:43 PM  

snowshovel: Since when has "Secret Wars" been fondly remebered (which is the only comic event I'm familiar with on that list)? Aside from Civil War, all of those ideas actually sound pretty stupid...even though with some amount of of tweaking they would be doable.


Also, not sure if it's been covered yet, but Secret Wars is not the same thing as Secret Invasion.
 
2013-09-02 03:13:47 PM  
static.comicvine.com

about the only thing I remember from The Siege. 

/hot
 
2013-09-02 03:14:36 PM  

Mentat: Dinobot: Trocadero: What was worse? Civil War or Infinite Crisis?

Infinite Crisis has Superboy Prime punching reality. Civil War has Sally Floyd telling the cap he sucks and that he's out of touch of what America is because he doesnt follow NASCAR and doesn't know what Myspace is.

So my vote is Civil War, simply for being a pretentious piece of political crap.

Civil War gave us this:

[i1282.photobucket.com image 605x984]


And it's funny because 'that' is the guy they didn't want us supporting.
 
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