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(Telegraph)   The best car of the last 25 years isn't a Ferrari or an Aston Martin or even a Toyota; no, it's the Ford Focus   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 162
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2013-09-02 07:50:41 AM
Get one with a manual transmission. Ford has been making and refining the MTX-75 five-speed since the eighties, so the thing is pretty much bombproof at this point. My '06 was probably the best car I've ever owned.
 
2013-09-02 08:57:45 AM

DarkSoulNoHope: This will always be the number one car for me on the road.

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*droolz at purple*

/hubcaps aren't Honda OEM
//they look fugly


The first time I drove one of those I was surprised by 3 things:

1. It had more 'pep' than a car of that size is expected to have
2. It has more interior room than a car of that size is expected to have
3. It looks better than a car of that style is expected to have.

The only real thing that hurts the Fit/Jazz is that it's in a class of car (and I don't know the name of it, but the Toyota Matrix/Yaris is in it, and the Mitsubishi Colt/Mirage) that are all entirely terrible, yet it stands there as the exception to the rule - yet people will ignore it because they've test driven the others and assume it's just like them.
 
2013-09-02 08:58:54 AM

arashinogarou: leevis: Nope, the 1998 Chevy Lumina 3.1 V6

Enjoy replacing that blown intake manifold gasket every three years.


I bought my car new, never had a lick of trouble with the engine and the only gasket that's been replaced is on the water pump.
 
2013-09-02 09:06:37 AM

mark12A: I've rented them multiple times. Nice, tight car. I was driving a rental one a couple months ago and pulled into the parking lot and a nice young man driving a Dodge Charger whipped around a row of cars and plowed into me. Trashed the front end, hood, and popped the radiator. But I had full coverage so it didn't cost me a dime....


Are you in good hands?
/Featured Partner
 
2013-09-02 09:07:47 AM

lack of warmth: leevis: Nope, the 1998 Chevy Lumina 3.1 V6

Nothing with the Chevy 3.1 LG8 motor is worth a crap.  They break head bolts anywhere between 140K to 200K miles whereas the early 90's 3.1 LH0 motor is a dependable motor.  I still see several early 90's Luminas and the vans that shared that motor still running.  The cars with the 3.1 LG8 V6 and 3.4 LQ1 V6 are starting to fade away from the streets.  That is saying a lot in a town that has 80-90% Chevy vehicles on the road.

/ I am friends with an engineer who worked on the LG8 and LQ1 motors for GM and he is the one who informed me that it was something they knew about before production.
//He drives Chevy but none of his cars has those two motors


Neither of those engines was used on the '98 base model, which I have. Mine has the L82. According to Wikipedia, the LG8 was only used the last two years of production, and those cars were built for the rental fleet. The LQ1 was only used on the LS and LTZ and was discontinued before they build the '98s.
 
2013-09-02 09:28:25 AM
Is it just me or....

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2013-09-02 10:02:37 AM

Boo_Guy: The hood is carbon fiber, mmm mmm. I was going to paint the roof black one day too.

But it was an auto, and like others have said, ford autos dont usually last. The overdrive light started doing the blue blink of death... then it got in an accident a few days later, time of death only 93,000 miles.

I was going to replace it with a manual anyway, but with the accident it was toast.
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/Its on blocks because the rims were stolen after it was towed to a garage after the accident


:( RIP wonderful purple car. Yeah, my current car is a Fix Or Repair Daily as well, which goes exactly by the meme. The rims must have been great looking for someone to sneak in and steal it like that, either that or the owner though that and pretended they were stolen.
 
2013-09-02 10:13:38 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: It's a 2011. The road noise is very loud, and I can't eke more than 34mpg out of it, and the engine doesn't have the zip I would want in a little car like that. But otherwise it is exactly the car I want. It's huge inside, small outside, the A/C works better than any other A/C I've ever had, and the visibility is really great.


Minus the road noise (which I think they said they fixed on the 2012 model and beyond, though of course I am being idealistic to think I can afford a brand new car [even something as inexpensive as a Fit!] under my current financial situation), it seems to be everything I want in a car. Huge inside, small outside, gas mileage and visibility. Me having a purple/black Hearse is one of those "Goth fantasies" I carry (Thanks Peter Murphy and Bauhaus for putting THAT idea in my head!) around, but do honestly think it would be too big for me to drive casually and only would be good as either a second car. (where I can guarantee a parking spot for it because I am not parallel parking that thing!)
 
2013-09-02 10:23:10 AM

broadsword: The first time I drove one of those I was surprised by 3 things:

1. It had more 'pep' than a car of that size is expected to have
2. It has more interior room than a car of that size is expected to have
3. It looks better than a car of that style is expected to have.

The only real thing that hurts the Fit/Jazz is that it's in a class of car (and I don't know the name of it, but the Toyota Matrix/Yaris is in it, and the Mitsubishi Colt/Mirage) that are all entirely terrible, yet it stands there as the exception to the rule - yet people will ignore it because they've test driven the others and assume it's just like them.


Everything I agree with, cept for maybe the "looking better part", it does look nice but has the design of a mini-mini van :-P  But I still desire to own a Honda Fit one day. :) I also think that people see it as a "dangerous" car, like my mom does as an insurance agent when I asked her to quote me a insurance price if I ever decided to buy one. She said "Don't get this one, get the CR-V" as if she didn't understand my reasoning for getting a small car and just cares about the accident possiblity. I understand big car vs little car in an accident means I will lose when driving a Fit, but to me the risk is worth it, especially with the traveling I like to do for pinball game finding adventures (from coastal central NJ, I have gone as far west as Oaks, PA (Fun Center there, right outside the convention venue me and my ex went to) and Goth clubs are all north of me or west of me (Newark/New York or Philadelphia).
 
2013-09-02 10:42:26 AM

JungleBoogie: Better than:
• Honda Civic
• Toyota Corolla
• Honda Accord
• Toyota Camry

Right. The editors were snorting cocaine off of each others' behinds.


Don't worry, I'm sure you could still find a way to weld a coffee can in place of the muffler and attach and oversized aircraft wing to the trunk.

For everyone else hemming and hawing in disbelief, go test drive one of the new ones.  I've had a couple rentals for business recently, and they convinced me that if I were currently in the market for a new car right now, the Focus would probably be the one.
 
2013-09-02 11:12:06 AM
To be fair, the Mk I focus in hatchback form with a manual gear box (the bulk of how they are sold outside of the U.S.) was actually a really well balanced car. I had a 2002 that was nothing but trouble and replaced it with a 2007 (the U.S. market got the Mk I until MY 2012 when we got the Mk 3 - the Mk I got reskinned for 08-11) Having ~250k miles of driving time with various foci, they're quite excellent cars for what they are. Handling is good, practicality is excellent, comfort is good until the foam wears out, they're pretty service friendly, good on gas, and cheap to run. Wasn't the cheapest car to insure though... When I traded my 07 in on a used BMW X3, my car insurance premiums actually went down! (to be fair, the Mk I BMW X3 is primarily driven by middle aged women who have a new beetle cabrio as their summer car... - so insurance rates are lower!)

I gave up the focus because I reached a point where I needed an automatic gearbox in my daily driver and don't trust any transverse mount automatic gearbox. (my knees aren't as good as they once were - and anyone who is familiar with the Pkwy east in Pittsburgh can tell you that driving a manual gearbox car on that is hell)
 
2013-09-02 03:07:21 PM
I traded in my 2004 Focus SE Wagon for a 2013 SE Fiesta Hatchback. It's in the process of being fixed up to sell on kijiji. I only have about 160k on it, and it was starting to rust out. I also had some electrical issues with it, but I think it was more to do with the remote starter that was installed in it by the previous owner. I bought it used back in 2010. My parents just bought a 2013 Focus Titanium Sedan, and really love it. They haven't had any issues with the transmission yet. Nor have I, as the Fiesta has the same one. They're replacing a 2005 Taurus sedan. I honestly don't see why people tend to bash Ford so often, as every brand of car has the odd lemon. I think it's the way people drive their cars, and occasionally the modifications some of them make.

/pretty much every vehicle my immediate family has owned in the past 28 years has been Ford
//one exception, the piece of farking shiat 2008 Jeep Compass, which is currently on its 3rd transmission.
 
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