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(Telegraph)   The best car of the last 25 years isn't a Ferrari or an Aston Martin or even a Toyota; no, it's the Ford Focus   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 161
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2013-09-01 08:46:33 PM  
Of course it is.
 
2013-09-01 08:47:50 PM  
Nope, the 1998 Chevy Lumina 3.1 V6
 
2013-09-01 08:48:10 PM  
I like the Focus but I have never once seen one on the road.  Eh?
 
2013-09-01 08:48:38 PM  
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2013-09-01 08:49:44 PM  
farm6.staticflickr.com
 
2013-09-01 08:50:15 PM  
What do you think Mr. Clarkson?
skaheru.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-01 08:51:42 PM  
I rented a focus a couple of years.

Unless they've completely redesigned them from the ground up since then, or have a huge quality range in their model lines, I have just one thing to say.

i1.kym-cdn.com

Second worst car I ever rented (the worst was some sort of Kia midsized SUV thing that had humungous blind spots).
 
2013-09-01 08:52:17 PM  
years ago
 
2013-09-01 08:52:52 PM  
This is more of an indictment of the last 25 years of the automotive industry than anything anything else.
 
2013-09-01 08:52:53 PM  
Well, duh. Sexy sports cars give a brand a certain caché, but those low cost and high volume econoboxes are what keep the lights on. The Focus being a solid economy car is probably why Ford survived a little better than GM or Chrysler, who both had terrible small cars until recently.
 
2013-09-01 08:52:58 PM  
I almost bought a 2013 Focus, but there have been so many complaints about the transmission that I decided against it.  To this day, there are still ongoing problems that have a lot of owners pissed off.
 
2013-09-01 08:53:43 PM  
Had one, quite literally drove it into the ground after 8 years and 180,000 miles.  It was an all right car, though I don't know if I'd ever drive another one.
 
2013-09-01 08:53:55 PM  
And they didn't take bailout money. Only MURICAN vehicle I'd consider.
 
2013-09-01 08:54:53 PM  

freak7: I almost bought a 2013 Focus, but there have been so many complaints about the transmission that I decided against it.  To this day, there are still ongoing problems that have a lot of owners pissed off.


I owned a 2009 Ford Focus 2 door coupe for 4 years, until earlier this year when I swapped it for a mustang.

Other than oil and routine maintence, I never had to do anything else to it.
 
2013-09-01 08:56:26 PM  

hardinparamedic: I owned a 2009 Ford Focus 2 door coupe for 4 years, until earlier this year when I swapped it for a mustang.

Other than oil and routine maintence, I never had to do anything else to it.


The latest generation has a new drive train and one very screwed up transmission according to the flood of posts on focusfanatics.com
 
2013-09-01 08:56:36 PM  
I've rented them multiple times. Nice, tight car. I was driving a rental one a couple months ago and pulled into the parking lot and a nice young man driving a Dodge Charger whipped around a row of cars and plowed into me. Trashed the front end, hood, and popped the radiator. But I had full coverage so it didn't cost me a dime....
 
2013-09-01 08:56:37 PM  
Its factory audio system is enough to vote it #1. On par with the headphones that came with my ipod.
 
2013-09-01 08:58:15 PM  

Night Night Cream Puff: What do you think Mr. Clarkson?
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I've got beeeees in my epiglottis!

/and on that bombshell
 
2013-09-01 09:00:32 PM  
Got a 2004 ZTS, my wife drives it like she just robbed a bank....191K hard earned miles, only replaced fan resistor. Still was able to keep from overheating by keeping AC on til I got home...

Good all-around car..
 
2013-09-01 09:00:43 PM  

Night Night Cream Puff: What do you think Mr. Clarkson?
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He'd pick the Ford Mondeo (Fusion).
 
2013-09-01 09:00:43 PM  
If your label of 'best' goes to 'the car that meets the needs of most of the people who drive cars today' then yes, the focus is a pretty natural fit - IF you drive an SUV and don't go offroad ALL THE TIME, or tow things ALL THE TIME, or carry heavy loads ALL THE TIME, then yes, for the parts of your day where you don't need an SUV, a ford focus is a perfect fit for you.

If you have a Bentley, or a ferrari or any other kind of 'high performance' machine, then unless 100% of the time you are driving at 100mph+ at the nurburgring or on a speedtrack, then it's really very likely that driving a ford focus would suit you quite well during most of your life.

And if you add in reliability, durability, and fuel economy mixed with low costs achieved by high volume production and common component sets, (which then creates an inexpensive parts aftermarket) .. then it even wins more on price over cars like the prius which might genuinely give you better gas milage.

So yes, For most people most of the time, doing most of what they do (which is getting from a to b) a small affordable, reliable common car will almost always win 'best' car.
 
2013-09-01 09:00:44 PM  
Have a 2013 Focus hatchback.  Nice car, good size, no issues so far.  Only 7500 miles, though.
 
2013-09-01 09:01:29 PM  
I just bought a 2014 Ford Fusion hybrid with an Aston Martin front end, wonder where I stand?

/actually a very smart car tech wise
 
2013-09-01 09:02:12 PM  
I think they mean the one they sell in the UK and Europe, not the puritanical box of dull sold here. How many Americans subscribe to Auto Express?
 
2013-09-01 09:03:01 PM  
www.culture-games.com
 
2013-09-01 09:03:15 PM  

rubi_con_man: If your label of 'best' goes to 'the car that meets the needs of most of the people who drive cars today' then yes, the focus is a pretty natural fit - IF you drive an SUV and don't go offroad ALL THE TIME, or tow things ALL THE TIME, or carry heavy loads ALL THE TIME, then yes, for the parts of your day where you don't need an SUV, a ford focus is a perfect fit for you.

If you have a Bentley, or a ferrari or any other kind of 'high performance' machine, then unless 100% of the time you are driving at 100mph+ at the nurburgring or on a speedtrack, then it's really very likely that driving a ford focus would suit you quite well during most of your life.

And if you add in reliability, durability, and fuel economy mixed with low costs achieved by high volume production and common component sets, (which then creates an inexpensive parts aftermarket) .. then it even wins more on price over cars like the prius which might genuinely give you better gas milage.

So yes, For most people most of the time, doing most of what they do (which is getting from a to b) a small affordable, reliable common car will almost always win 'best' car.


I wanted all of this and sporty, too. Went with a 2006 mx5 four years ago. It was a good choice.
 
2013-09-01 09:04:19 PM  
I bought a four door ZTS in 2000. I have 186,000 miles on it. Lots of recalls and other problems over 13 years. I don't want another one.
 
2013-09-01 09:05:28 PM  
26 comments and the car purists are coming out of the woodwork in droves..... i've got my popcorn ready.
 
2013-09-01 09:05:30 PM  

AlwaysRightBoy: I just bought a 2014 Ford Fusion hybrid with an Aston Martin front end, wonder where I stand?

/actually a very smart car tech wise


Those look nice... today.  We'll see how they look in five years.  But mechanically they're sound and low maintenance.

I'm partial to Nissans and Inifinitis, so myself I'd go with the G37xs coupe.
 
2013-09-01 09:06:06 PM  

freak7: I almost bought a 2013 Focus, but there have been so many complaints about the transmission that I decided against it.  To this day, there are still ongoing problems that have a lot of owners pissed off.


I loved my '07 focus wagon. more actual interior space for cargo than many SUVs, good mileage.

Transmission blew up.
 
2013-09-01 09:06:28 PM  

freak7: I almost bought a 2013 Focus, but there have been so many complaints about the transmission that I decided against it.  To this day, there are still ongoing problems that have a lot of owners pissed off.


Ford has always had problems with automatic trannys. If you buy a ford get a manual.
 
2013-09-01 09:07:15 PM  
This is from a UK newspaper.  The Euro Focus is much different than the US version.  Actually, Euro Fords are much better overall than their Murican counterparts.   Ford knows their US customers are idiots.  "Neither cast ye your pearls before swine."
 
2013-09-01 09:07:35 PM  
And its 2.0L direct injection I4 Sciuridae engine is fantastic - especially at night at during harvest time.
 
2013-09-01 09:08:14 PM  

freak7: hardinparamedic: I owned a 2009 Ford Focus 2 door coupe for 4 years, until earlier this year when I swapped it for a mustang.

Other than oil and routine maintence, I never had to do anything else to it.

The latest generation has a new drive train and one very screwed up transmission according to the flood of posts on focusfanatics.com


The dual-clutch semiautomatic transmission is becoming more prevalent across auto-makers. The new ford focus has it, the hyundai veloster has it, the kia soul has it, the dodge dart has it.
 
2013-09-01 09:09:08 PM  

leevis: Nope, the 1998 Chevy Lumina 3.1 V6


Nothing with the Chevy 3.1 LG8 motor is worth a crap.  They break head bolts anywhere between 140K to 200K miles whereas the early 90's 3.1 LH0 motor is a dependable motor.  I still see several early 90's Luminas and the vans that shared that motor still running.  The cars with the 3.1 LG8 V6 and 3.4 LQ1 V6 are starting to fade away from the streets.  That is saying a lot in a town that has 80-90% Chevy vehicles on the road.

/ I am friends with an engineer who worked on the LG8 and LQ1 motors for GM and he is the one who informed me that it was something they knew about before production.
//He drives Chevy but none of his cars has those two motors
 
2013-09-01 09:10:01 PM  
I miss my old Jimmy. It could plow through sand and water and mailboxes.

Now I still have my Grand Am. It is heals together by gaffers tape, spit, and luck.

Yay.
 
2013-09-01 09:12:43 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: AlwaysRightBoy: I just bought a 2014 Ford Fusion hybrid with an Aston Martin front end, wonder where I stand?

/actually a very smart car tech wise

Those look nice... today.  We'll see how they look in five years.  But mechanically they're sound and low maintenance.

I'm partial to Nissans and Inifinitis, so myself I'd go with the G37xs coupe.


It's my first hybrid and my first Ford so I'm interested in how it plays out. Bought it for my wife hoping it will serve us for at least ten years.

/technology wise it's pretty impressive to me
 
2013-09-01 09:13:07 PM  
Had an '00 Focus I put 235,000 miles on until the second baby came along and it was minivan time. Solid car, but I liked the Escorts better and since Ford minivans are teh suck, I made the jump to the Toyota Sienna. Which is a perfectly good minivan except for one huge issue - the unspeakable evil of run-flat tires.

If some car dealer tries to hard-sell that run-flat shiat at you as a feature, tell him to get a Craftmatic adjustable bed and go blow himself. Run-flats have been nothing but hell for me: they're expensive, noisy, no great shakes in bad weather, and they wear out in 25,000 miles which is a year's driving for me so every fall I have to lay out a thousand for new tires because the Sienna has no place to put a spare. At least the Sienna has been insanely durable outside of the useless farking tires.
 
2013-09-01 09:14:30 PM  
Maybe, stubby, but I wouldn't have one. Last two fords in the family were... temperamental (at my most generous).

/  Also last two Fords.
//  My Toyota has lasted twice as long without any significant repairs, so far, than my Topaz did with.
 
2013-09-01 09:14:43 PM  
I have a 2001 SE with 90k. It runs great, even after I played a little bit of bumper cars in new Jersey. However, the power windows have a part that gets brittle with age, and that baby costs like $400 to replace. Now I have 2 windows I've replaced, and 2 I don't open anymore. And the AC doesn't work anymore, but that might be related to the bumper cars.

\Duct tape circa 2006.
 
2013-09-01 09:18:01 PM  

lordargent: I rented a focus a couple of years.

Unless they've completely redesigned them from the ground up since then, or have a huge quality range in their model lines, I have just one thing to say.

[i1.kym-cdn.com image 468x349]

Second worst car I ever rented (the worst was some sort of Kia midsized SUV thing that had humungous blind spots).


Next time, just for kicks, rent yourself a Chevy Aveo. They actually formed the rearview mirror out of Death's scythe blade.
 
2013-09-01 09:19:27 PM  

Gulper Eel: Had an '00 Focus I put 235,000 miles on until the second baby came along and it was minivan time. Solid car, but I liked the Escorts better and since Ford minivans are teh suck, I made the jump to the Toyota Sienna. Which is a perfectly good minivan except for one huge issue - the unspeakable evil of run-flat tires.

If some car dealer tries to hard-sell that run-flat shiat at you as a feature, tell him to get a Craftmatic adjustable bed and go blow himself. Run-flats have been nothing but hell for me: they're expensive, noisy, no great shakes in bad weather, and they wear out in 25,000 miles which is a year's driving for me so every fall I have to lay out a thousand for new tires because the Sienna has no place to put a spare. At least the Sienna has been insanely durable outside of the useless farking tires.


Your fault for getting AWD.
 
2013-09-01 09:25:43 PM  

megarian: I miss my old Jimmy. It could plow through sand and water and mailboxes.

Now I still have my Grand Am. It is heals together by gaffers tape, spit, and luck.

Yay.


I had a 1995 grand am gt. 3100 v6.

Fast as hell for just 150hp.

Transmission went at 175k miles.

Converted it to RWD as a weekend project car and dropped in a GM zz3 crate.

Vrrooom!
 
2013-09-01 09:27:54 PM  

lack of warmth: leevis: Nope, the 1998 Chevy Lumina 3.1 V6

Nothing with the Chevy 3.1 LG8 motor is worth a crap.  They break head bolts anywhere between 140K to 200K miles whereas the early 90's 3.1 LH0 motor is a dependable motor.  I still see several early 90's Luminas and the vans that shared that motor still running.  The cars with the 3.1 LG8 V6 and 3.4 LQ1 V6 are starting to fade away from the streets.  That is saying a lot in a town that has 80-90% Chevy vehicles on the road.

/ I am friends with an engineer who worked on the LG8 and LQ1 motors for GM and he is the one who informed me that it was something they knew about before production.
//He drives Chevy but none of his cars has those two motors


I bought mine new, just turned over 215,000 miles. Whoever was working on the assembly line in Oshawa when it was being built has my utmost respect.
 
2013-09-01 09:28:24 PM  
I have a 2011 Focus SE (almost bottom of the line) 4 door, 25,000 miles, and it's pretty much maintenance free.

Doesn't look bad.
Drives very nicely for what it is.
Good mileage.

Cost $14,000 on a 3% simple interest loan.
Payments are less than 250 a month.

So I'm actually pretty happy with it, minus the crushing blow it was to me to not buy another convertible.

It's one drawback is the A/C vents are very narrow and not suited for Arizona. It does get cold, but it's not the A/C that's needed here.
 
2013-09-01 09:29:27 PM  
This will always be the number one car for me on the road.

imageshack.us
*droolz at purple*

/hubcaps aren't Honda OEM
//they look fugly
 
2013-09-01 09:30:10 PM  
After having one as a rental for the past week I'm going to go with no.  Of course it had great gas mileage, but that's about the only thing I found good about it.  Not that it was the worst car or anything, but nothing special.  I'm assuming this is based on practically and price and not about it being a nice car.
 
2013-09-01 09:30:50 PM  
2012 Focus here with 31k miles so far and no problems. Got the Titanium version and it is far from crap inside, but the price reflected that. I was just happy to finally get an American smaller car that didn't have a cheap interior. Wish it was diesel and had a manual transmission but other than that my wife loves it. I'm happy with my Golf TDI daily driver and Silverado for towing and hauling.
 
2013-09-01 09:31:26 PM  
FTR: 2010 kia forte koup sx. Already at 96k miles.


Only hiccup was a faulty fuel injector at 28k miles. Dealer paid for part...when they wanted to keep the car for 2 days to replace it, i asked them for it. Went to the parking lot and popped in the new one in 10min flat.

Running like a clock since.

Biggest issue: factory tinted windows. The rear and two small side rear windows have large bubbles in the tint film.
 
2013-09-01 09:31:36 PM  

lordargent: I rented a focus a couple of years.

Unless they've completely redesigned them from the ground up since then, or have a huge quality range in their model lines, I have just one thing to say.

[i1.kym-cdn.com image 468x349]

Second worst car I ever rented (the worst was some sort of Kia midsized SUV thing that had humungous blind spots).


They actually have.  I got a bunch of Focus rentals a few years years ago that were absolute pieces of junk.  But I've gotten a couple recently and they're really much better.  The difference between the Focus and the Fusion is huge, though.
 
2013-09-01 09:35:51 PM  

freak7: hardinparamedic: I owned a 2009 Ford Focus 2 door coupe for 4 years, until earlier this year when I swapped it for a mustang.

Other than oil and routine maintence, I never had to do anything else to it.

The latest generation has a new drive train and one very screwed up transmission according to the flood of posts on focusfanatics.com


The solution is to get the manual.  My GF has a new Focus with the 5M, and loves it.  It's that tricky dual-clutch gearbox which is giving them trouble right now.  It's a great idea for fuel economy and weight saving, but they're very new in economy cars.  If they get those transmissions sorted out they could be awesome.  If...
 
2013-09-01 09:37:18 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: This will always be the number one car for me on the road.

[imageshack.us image 850x637]
*droolz at purple*

/hubcaps aren't Honda OEM
//they look fugly


www.ustrendy.com
Hey! I like that car too!
 
2013-09-01 09:39:11 PM  
I would go with the Ford F-150 but since that is not technically a car I would have to go with the Jeep Wrangler.
 
2013-09-01 09:39:23 PM  
Things like this remind me of the Ford Transit winning Car and Truck of the Year. Why? Because Fark You, that's why.  Nobody in their right mind would say "This is the car of the year" except some crackpot editors.
 
2013-09-01 09:40:35 PM  
Anyone remember when the 1990s focuses had major engine defects?  Friend of mine had one back then that was no end of trouble.  Suppose the new ones are better.   Another friend is driving a low mileage 2000 focus, the interior is really cheap.   Mazda was doing much better with interiors at the time with the Protege5 and Protege.
 
2013-09-01 09:40:58 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: And they didn't take bailout money. Only MURICAN vehicle I'd consider remaining.


Fixed.
 
2013-09-01 09:41:57 PM  
Regarding our old 2001 Focus:
Ring...."Dad! The cars on fire!"
'OK...on the way'
ring ring..."It's OK, the fire dept is here!"

Words a dad never wants to hear.

To be fair....it wasn't Ford's fault, but rather an idiot child offroading in a Focus. Oil pans are funny like that. Don't like rocks.

/shut up, you judgemental bastid...you did it too
 
2013-09-01 09:42:31 PM  
Trocadero: Hey! I like that car too!

Shut up Marie!
 
2013-09-01 09:44:59 PM  
I currently drive an 05 Mazda 3. (best car on the road as far as I am concerned) Am looking to buy a new car soon. Rented a 2013 Focus for the weekend as an extended test drive. I liked it. Fun little car to drive. Liked everything about it. Mazda just released the 2014 Mazda 3 to market and it is slowly starting to hit the market. If it weren't for Mazda completely redesigning the 3, I probably would have bought a Focus.
 
2013-09-01 09:49:03 PM  

leevis: lack of warmth: leevis: Nope, the 1998 Chevy Lumina 3.1 V6

Nothing with the Chevy 3.1 LG8 motor is worth a crap.  They break head bolts anywhere between 140K to 200K miles whereas the early 90's 3.1 LH0 motor is a dependable motor.  I still see several early 90's Luminas and the vans that shared that motor still running.  The cars with the 3.1 LG8 V6 and 3.4 LQ1 V6 are starting to fade away from the streets.  That is saying a lot in a town that has 80-90% Chevy vehicles on the road.

/ I am friends with an engineer who worked on the LG8 and LQ1 motors for GM and he is the one who informed me that it was something they knew about before production.
//He drives Chevy but none of his cars has those two motors

I bought mine new, just turned over 215,000 miles. Whoever was working on the assembly line in Oshawa when it was being built has my utmost respect.


Just keep an eye out for coolant leaking at the back of the engine compartment on the right side.  That's the corner the bolt will break when it does.  That is how I knew my friend knew what he was talking about, he diagnosed it over the phone.  It took the mechanics two hours.  If it happens, the odds are 50/50 they can get the bolt out without damaging the block.  I'm not wishing ill on you, just a warning.  I don't know anyone who has gotten away with not having that problem with those two motors.  Well, I do know one guy who rebuilt his motor for the fun of it and already replaced the bolts.
 
2013-09-01 09:49:10 PM  

phoenixdan: I currently drive an 05 Mazda 3. (best car on the road as far as I am concerned) Am looking to buy a new car soon. Rented a 2013 Focus for the weekend as an extended test drive. I liked it. Fun little car to drive. Liked everything about it. Mazda just released the 2014 Mazda 3 to market and it is slowly starting to hit the market. If it weren't for Mazda completely redesigning the 3, I probably would have bought a Focus.


I have the predecessor to the 3 wagon, the Protege5.   Love it.  Engine is in great shape. just re-did a bunch of cosmetic wear items so it still looks new for a few more years.   Owned it since it was new for 10 years now.

Considering the Mazda3 with the high mileage engine if no major problems turn up with that.  Having a normal gas engine that gets that kind of mileage for cross country trips is a desirable thing.
 
2013-09-01 09:50:28 PM  
Better than:
• Honda Civic
• Toyota Corolla
• Honda Accord
• Toyota Camry

Right. The editors were snorting cocaine off of each others' behinds.
 
2013-09-01 09:52:23 PM  
I own a 2005 Ford focus with 98k on it.

I just literally last week had the first major mechanical failure on it.. The alternator went (and fark whoever put it at the bottom of the engine right above the front axle)

Besides regular oil changes and maintenance.. I haven't touched anything else.. It really is a great car.
 
2013-09-01 09:53:05 PM  
Gulper Eel:
If some car dealer tries to hard-sell that run-flat shiat at you as a feature, tell him to get a Craftmatic adjustable bed and go blow himself. Run-flats have been nothing but hell for me: they're expensive, noisy, no great shakes in bad weather, and they wear out in 25,000 miles which is a year's driving for me so every fall I have to lay out a thousand for new tires because the Sienna has no place to put a spare. At least the Sienna has been insanely durable outside of the useless farking tires.

No spare?  So what?  Do you carry an extra battery?  Extra radiator?  Man up, bucko.
 
2013-09-01 09:53:45 PM  

lack of warmth: leevis: lack of warmth: leevis: Nope, the 1998 Chevy Lumina 3.1 V6

Nothing with the Chevy 3.1 LG8 motor is worth a crap.  They break head bolts anywhere between 140K to 200K miles whereas the early 90's 3.1 LH0 motor is a dependable motor.  I still see several early 90's Luminas and the vans that shared that motor still running.  The cars with the 3.1 LG8 V6 and 3.4 LQ1 V6 are starting to fade away from the streets.  That is saying a lot in a town that has 80-90% Chevy vehicles on the road.

/ I am friends with an engineer who worked on the LG8 and LQ1 motors for GM and he is the one who informed me that it was something they knew about before production.
//He drives Chevy but none of his cars has those two motors

I bought mine new, just turned over 215,000 miles. Whoever was working on the assembly line in Oshawa when it was being built has my utmost respect.

Just keep an eye out for coolant leaking at the back of the engine compartment on the right side.  That's the corner the bolt will break when it does.  That is how I knew my friend knew what he was talking about, he diagnosed it over the phone.  It took the mechanics two hours.  If it happens, the odds are 50/50 they can get the bolt out without damaging the block.  I'm not wishing ill on you, just a warning.  I don't know anyone who has gotten away with not having that problem with those two motors.  Well, I do know one guy who rebuilt his motor for the fun of it and already replaced the bolts.


You kids wanna talk about head bolts? We had an '84 4 cylinder Charger. In 2000, we tried to do a full rebuild on the motor.  The headbolts were an absolute biatch to get off. How much? We had a pry bar in-between the head and the block. And two people standing on top of it.  We junked the car for parts.
 
2013-09-01 09:54:11 PM  
At least the new ones are a world wide model based on the Euro ones.

Which means north america finally has a higher output turbo version, the ST.

I wouldn't mind having one,  although I'd really like an RS,  which is supposed to be coming to the US as well.
 
2013-09-01 09:55:23 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: This will always be the number one car for me on the road.

[imageshack.us image 850x637]
*droolz at purple*

/hubcaps aren't Honda OEM
//they look fugly


I have one in white. It's great, but it needs a bit more power and a lot more sound dampening.
 
2013-09-01 09:55:30 PM  

MemeSlave: Your fault for getting AWD.


Wife decided we had to have a car that had it...but whatever foul-weather driving benefits AWD confers, the mediocre tires take away. She had to find out the hard way.
 
2013-09-01 09:56:37 PM  

Great_Milenko: Gulper Eel:
If some car dealer tries to hard-sell that run-flat shiat at you as a feature, tell him to get a Craftmatic adjustable bed and go blow himself. Run-flats have been nothing but hell for me: they're expensive, noisy, no great shakes in bad weather, and they wear out in 25,000 miles which is a year's driving for me so every fall I have to lay out a thousand for new tires because the Sienna has no place to put a spare. At least the Sienna has been insanely durable outside of the useless farking tires.

No spare?  So what?  Do you carry an extra battery?  Extra radiator?  Man up, bucko.


Ever try actually changing a run flat too? I don't mean, change the tire for the spare, I mean remove the tire from the wheel and replace. It is an UBER biatch.
 
2013-09-01 09:58:06 PM  

The more you eat the more you fart: megarian: I miss my old Jimmy. It could plow through sand and water and mailboxes.

Now I still have my Grand Am. It is heals together by gaffers tape, spit, and luck.

Yay.

I had a 1995 grand am gt. 3100 v6.

Fast as hell for just 150hp.

Transmission went at 175k miles.

Converted it to RWD as a weekend project car and dropped in a GM zz3 crate.

Vrrooom!


Mine was/is a '97 gt.

I faking love this car. This car and and I have been involved in terrible, terrible things. Therefore, we cannot part until one of us dies.
 
2013-09-01 09:58:27 PM  
For whatever it's worth, some of the recent Focuses (Foci?) have gotten poor reliability reviews from Consumer Reports.  Those reviews are based on questionnaires that owners send in, so I think they're pretty reliable.
 
2013-09-01 10:01:17 PM  

lordargent: I rented a focus a couple of years.

Unless they've completely redesigned them from the ground up since then, or have a huge quality range in their model lines, I have just one thing to say.

[i1.kym-cdn.com image 468x349]

Second worst car I ever rented (the worst was some sort of Kia midsized SUV thing that had humungous blind spots).


**THIS**

My friend owned a focus for a while... it was the worst car she ever owned. Even when new it needed repairs all the time and was a POS that eventually was not worth the cost of constant repair. I rode in it quite a few times and I must say it was a cheaply made pile of dung that should have been never made in the first place.
 
2013-09-01 10:01:21 PM  
Since we're doing this:

1993 mustang. Still my only car. Still runs great.
 
2013-09-01 10:01:47 PM  

SunsetLament: This is more of an indictment of the last 25 years of the automotive industry than anything anything else.


Cars have become very complex, safe, and reliable. There is an awful lot of value in a $20k car
 
2013-09-01 10:02:41 PM  

harlock: phoenixdan: I currently drive an 05 Mazda 3. (best car on the road as far as I am concerned) Am looking to buy a new car soon. Rented a 2013 Focus for the weekend as an extended test drive. I liked it. Fun little car to drive. Liked everything about it. Mazda just released the 2014 Mazda 3 to market and it is slowly starting to hit the market. If it weren't for Mazda completely redesigning the 3, I probably would have bought a Focus.

I have the predecessor to the 3 wagon, the Protege5.   Love it.  Engine is in great shape. just re-did a bunch of cosmetic wear items so it still looks new for a few more years.   Owned it since it was new for 10 years now.

Considering the Mazda3 with the high mileage engine if no major problems turn up with that.  Having a normal gas engine that gets that kind of mileage for cross country trips is a desirable thing.


Heard the Protege was a good car too. Knew several people that drove em into the ground. I think Mazda is far too often overlooked by people. I think the new 3 , 6, and CX5 is gonna help to increase sales at Mazda.

/enjoy your free month of TotalFark just for being a Mazda owner. :)
 
2013-09-01 10:02:41 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: This will always be the number one car for me on the road.

[imageshack.us image 850x637]
*droolz at purple*

/hubcaps aren't Honda OEM
//they look fugly


A fellow purple lover I see.

This was my old Ford Probe,  this was a factory color called Wild Orchid Metallic;
i3.photobucket.com

/My purple probe
/No jokes to be made here,  no siree.
 
2013-09-01 10:04:10 PM  
Focus?

img29.imageshack.us
 
2013-09-01 10:04:56 PM  
I have to admit, I have a Zipcar account and they have all sorts of different cars. I've thus far driven a Nissan Frontier, A Mazda 3, Ford Focus a VW Golf and a VW Jetta.

My favorites among all of them are the Ford Focus, the Mazda 3 and the VW Jetta.
 
2013-09-01 10:06:34 PM  
apparently non of you have ever driven one of these

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_S2000

flat.out.riot
 
2013-09-01 10:08:06 PM  
My Focus ST has been flawless throughout its first ten months of life. Fantastic little car, outside of its borderline-crappy paint.
 
2013-09-01 10:08:19 PM  

TanSau: As a mechanic:
 BULLSHIAT!

Seriously, the Focus and it's older brother, the Escort are the worst things on the road. 

Better than Toyota?

biatch please....


I got a ZX2 in the driveway with 68K on it. Your move mate.
 
2013-09-01 10:13:13 PM  
I was stuck in the back of a Focus for several hours and it didn't take long to figure out it seemed to be designed for people 6 inches shorter than I am. My head was burrowed into the ceiling at an awkward angle lead to lovely neck ache.
 
2013-09-01 10:13:45 PM  

freak7: I almost bought a 2013 Focus, but there have been so many complaints about the transmission that I decided against it.  To this day, there are still ongoing problems that have a lot of owners pissed off.


I'm one of those. Damn thing is so shaky off the line. 1/2 way through a two year lease.
 
2013-09-01 10:13:46 PM  

AlwaysRightBoy: Marcus Aurelius: AlwaysRightBoy: I just bought a 2014 Ford Fusion hybrid with an Aston Martin front end, wonder where I stand?

/actually a very smart car tech wise

Those look nice... today.  We'll see how they look in five years.  But mechanically they're sound and low maintenance.

I'm partial to Nissans and Inifinitis, so myself I'd go with the G37xs coupe.

It's my first hybrid and my first Ford so I'm interested in how it plays out. Bought it for my wife hoping it will serve us for at least ten years.

/technology wise it's pretty impressive to me


I've had a couple of Fords.  I've had all the American cars.  Some European ones too.  The GMs and Fords could technically last for 10 years, but the things just tend to disintegrate.  Not as bad as a Chrysler, but still.  Nothing lasts quite like a Japanese car (Mazda excepted of course).
 
2013-09-01 10:14:09 PM  

jayphat: You kids wanna talk about head bolts? We had an '84 4 cylinder Charger. In 2000, we tried to do a full rebuild on the motor.  The headbolts were an absolute biatch to get off. How much? We had a pry bar in-between the head and the block. And two people standing on top of it.  We junked the car for parts.


You tried rebuilding an 84 Charger with a 4 cylinder, why?
 
2013-09-01 10:15:50 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: apparently non of you have ever driven one of these

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_S2000

flat.out.riot


The torque doesn't kick in until 4000 RPMs, and you can't let it go under that.  The newer ones are better.  They beat the bejesus out of a Miata in any case.
 
2013-09-01 10:16:20 PM  
Nothing beats the unreliable ignition switch I keep in the door pocket of my '96 Volvo. Big red wires from the battery to the starter. Looks like a bomb or something. My local garage won't touch it. They just kept it running to change the tires. I'll probably get another one just like it when it finally dies at about 400,000 miles or so. I've noticed they just keep getting cheaper and and cheaper as the years go by. Lucky me.
 
2013-09-01 10:18:07 PM  

limeyfellow: I was stuck in the back of a Focus for several hours and it didn't take long to figure out it seemed to be designed for people 6 inches shorter than I am. My head was burrowed into the ceiling at an awkward angle lead to lovely neck ache.


My dad's 6' 4", and part of how we picked the focus was his ability to sit in front. But no, I don't think the back would have done him much good... but really, hot hatches aren't designed for big adults to sit in the back.
 
2013-09-01 10:19:03 PM  

pestluvr: Had one, quite literally drove it into the ground after 8 years and 180,000 miles.  It was an all right car, though I don't know if I'd ever drive another one.


It couldn't turn left?
 
2013-09-01 10:20:02 PM  

freak7: I almost bought a 2013 Focus, but there have been so many complaints about the transmission that I decided against it.  To this day, there are still ongoing problems that have a lot of owners pissed off.


2012 Focus, too.  Had to fight to get it looked at.  But I had driven enough miles that there was no mistaking the issue.  They admitted the issue, and then.

Get this

while my car was on the rack to get a new clutch, the dealer got a Cease and Desist order from Ford Central on fixing the car.  Had to wait about a month for the formal fix.

It's fixed.  Not a terrible car, and for the mileage, it does go when you punch it.
But, I've hated it for the past 12 months or so, all over the transmission.
Driving a Toyota now.
 
2013-09-01 10:20:45 PM  

lack of warmth: jayphat: You kids wanna talk about head bolts? We had an '84 4 cylinder Charger. In 2000, we tried to do a full rebuild on the motor.  The headbolts were an absolute biatch to get off. How much? We had a pry bar in-between the head and the block. And two people standing on top of it.  We junked the car for parts.

You tried rebuilding an 84 Charger with a 4 cylinder, why?


5 siblings. We lived on a farm. Had most of the equipment and knowledge. And well, we needed the wheels.
 
2013-09-01 10:21:56 PM  
I drove a 2000 Focus for a while.  Tons of recalls the first few years, but otherwise fun to drive.  And no major problems outside of the recall issues that were covered.

Currently driving a 2009 Focus.  No problems at all so far, and still a fun drive.

Although that first-gen Sync voice recognition is a bit...odd, at times.
 
2013-09-01 10:22:58 PM  
my 2005 matrix XRS was better than the focus (except the svt) in every way. and the only disadvantage it had to the svt focus was in power. it was more reliable, got better mileage, held more stuff, and was only slightly slower.
 
2013-09-01 10:23:37 PM  

freak7: hardinparamedic: I owned a 2009 Ford Focus 2 door coupe for 4 years, until earlier this year when I swapped it for a mustang.

Other than oil and routine maintence, I never had to do anything else to it.

The latest generation has a new drive train and one very screwed up transmission according to the flood of posts on focusfanatics.com


That is why you do what the car magazines tell you to do, and buy the Focus SE  with the manual transmission.
 
2013-09-01 10:27:57 PM  

SVenus: 2012 Focus, too.  Had to fight to get it looked at.  But I had driven enough miles that there was no mistaking the issue.  They admitted the issue, and then.


I was just checking out Focus Fanatics, reading an official statement from Ford on the issue.  Basically they're saying that there's nothing wrong with the transmissions and people just need to realize that this new technology isn't going to give the same driving experience as what people are used to with older automatic transmissions.
 
2013-09-01 10:28:38 PM  
it would have been the '95 corolla, except for that thing where their airbags exploded randomly, tho rarely. so yeah, ford whatever that was.

/ford makes things besides pickups?
 
2013-09-01 10:28:45 PM  
As someone who, merely two days ago, bought a 2001 Honda Civic LX with 63k miles on it for...ONE DOLLAR.  I have to say, no.
 
2013-09-01 10:33:55 PM  

leevis: Nope, the 1998 Chevy Lumina 3.1 V6


Enjoy replacing that blown intake manifold gasket every three years.
 
2013-09-01 10:35:03 PM  
And the best car of the next 25 years will probably be a Tesla.
 
2013-09-01 10:37:10 PM  

Boo_Guy: DarkSoulNoHope: This will always be the number one car for me on the road.

[imageshack.us image 850x637]
*droolz at purple*

/hubcaps aren't Honda OEM
//they look fugly

A fellow purple lover I see.

This was my old Ford Probe,  this was a factory color called Wild Orchid Metallic;
[i3.photobucket.com image 800x600]

/My purple probe
/No jokes to be made here,  no siree.


==================

The Probe was actually a Mazda MX-6.  I had a first gen, nice handling car, average reliability for it's time.  Trans grenaded at 153K.
 
2013-09-01 10:40:18 PM  

lordargent: I rented a focus a couple of years.

Unless they've completely redesigned them from the ground up since then, or have a huge quality range in their model lines, I have just one thing to say.

[i1.kym-cdn.com image 468x349]

Second worst car I ever rented (the worst was some sort of Kia midsized SUV thing that had humungous blind spots).


Dude, every rental car is a piece of shut because it is a rental car.
 
2013-09-01 10:47:24 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Zeb Hesselgresser: apparently non of you have ever driven one of these

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_S2000

flat.out.riot

The torque doesn't kick in until 4000 RPMs, and you can't let it go under that.  The newer ones are better.  They beat the bejesus out of a Miata in any case.


yes; just bought (2 weeks) a 2004, 2nd year of the stroker motor. Up to 4,000 rpm it's as mild as a Civic, (28 mpg), over that it starts to howl. Been sporting a perma-grin.
 
2013-09-01 10:47:40 PM  

phoenixdan: harlock: phoenixdan: I currently drive an 05 Mazda 3. (best car on the road as far as I am concerned) Am looking to buy a new car soon. Rented a 2013 Focus for the weekend as an extended test drive. I liked it. Fun little car to drive. Liked everything about it. Mazda just released the 2014 Mazda 3 to market and it is slowly starting to hit the market. If it weren't for Mazda completely redesigning the 3, I probably would have bought a Focus.

I have the predecessor to the 3 wagon, the Protege5.   Love it.  Engine is in great shape. just re-did a bunch of cosmetic wear items so it still looks new for a few more years.   Owned it since it was new for 10 years now.

Considering the Mazda3 with the high mileage engine if no major problems turn up with that.  Having a normal gas engine that gets that kind of mileage for cross country trips is a desirable thing.

Heard the Protege was a good car too. Knew several people that drove em into the ground. I think Mazda is far too often overlooked by people. I think the new 3 , 6, and CX5 is gonna help to increase sales at Mazda.

/enjoy your free month of TotalFark just for being a Mazda owner. :)


Wow thanks.   Been on here forever but never tried TF.  (addicted to it enough as it is, with just the greenlit stuff) but always been curious about it.
 
2013-09-01 10:50:36 PM  
Most beautiful:

i44.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-01 10:52:43 PM  
Most badass:

i39.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-01 10:53:47 PM  

jayphat: lack of warmth: jayphat: You kids wanna talk about head bolts? We had an '84 4 cylinder Charger. In 2000, we tried to do a full rebuild on the motor.  The headbolts were an absolute biatch to get off. How much? We had a pry bar in-between the head and the block. And two people standing on top of it.  We junked the car for parts.

You tried rebuilding an 84 Charger with a 4 cylinder, why?

5 siblings. We lived on a farm. Had most of the equipment and knowledge. And well, we needed the wheels.


Oh boredom, I get that.  I stayed on a farm for a few months with an uncle.  I still don't know how my cousin reattached a driveshaft on a Dodge truck with a coat hanger.  All I know is he went out hunting, came back without the truck grabbed a coat hanger and returned with the truck an hour later.


Sweaty Dynamite: As someone who, merely two days ago, bought a 2001 Honda Civic LX with 63k miles on it for...ONE DOLLAR.  I have to say, no.


Back in the 60's, my dad bought a 57 Chevy Bel Air for a dollar.  He used it for dirt track racing.
 
2013-09-01 10:55:05 PM  
Most gratuitous use of vehicle imagery:

i40.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-01 11:01:02 PM  

pestluvr: Had one, quite literally drove it into the ground after 8 years and 180,000 miles.  It was an all right car, though I don't know if I'd ever drive another one.


Ford Focus
Toyota Camry

For when you absolutely, positively, must tell the world, "I give up, and I don't give a shiat."
 
2013-09-01 11:01:07 PM  

JungleBoogie: Better than:
• Honda Civic
• Toyota Corolla
• Honda Accord
• Toyota Camry

Right. The editors were snorting cocaine off of each others' behinds.


no, the editors are British.

The Camry disappeared from Europe due to poor sales about 10 years ago. The Corolla is gone too, replaced by the Auris.

the Accord in Europe is completely different from the one sold here. It was first designed in a joint venture with Rover, then moved to a JDM platform that is sold here as the Acura TSX.

the European Civic was also very different for a long time, think of an Integra with all of the fun removed. had a reputation of being a car for old ladies.
 
2013-09-01 11:01:14 PM  
The Ford farkus?  Ugh, its Wal-Mart fashion sensibility repels mine eyes.
 
2013-09-01 11:01:15 PM  

UsikFark: I think they mean the one they sell in the UK and Europe, not the puritanical box of dull sold here. How many Americans subscribe to Auto Express?


As of 2012 models they are the same platform, Ford has done a lot of work to make a global product.
 
2013-09-01 11:08:18 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: DarkSoulNoHope: This will always be the number one car for me on the road.

[imageshack.us image 850x637]
*droolz at purple*

/hubcaps aren't Honda OEM
//they look fugly

I have one in white. It's great, but it needs a bit more power and a lot more sound dampening.


What year? I hear they may have fixed that on the 2012 model, apparently 2014 will be their "Earth Dreams" engine, so hopefully that means more power as well as (more importantly to me) gas mileage.
 
2013-09-01 11:12:14 PM  

Boo_Guy: DarkSoulNoHope: This will always be the number one car for me on the road.

[imageshack.us image 850x637]
*droolz at purple*

/hubcaps aren't Honda OEM
//they look fugly

A fellow purple lover I see.

This was my old Ford Probe,  this was a factory color called Wild Orchid Metallic;
[i3.photobucket.com image 800x600]

/My purple probe
/No jokes to be made here,  no siree.


Looks beautiful to me. I love the purple with the black hood, my two favorite colors (purple first, black second). I am hoping to find a way to buy a two toned purple/black care one day for my future "Gothmobile." I am planning on the Fit to be that car.

/yes I would buy a hearse and paint it purple and black if I could afford it
//unfortunately a job that pays enough for two cars at once seem to be far away from me these days
///right now just surviving on my clunker that had a hiccup with the catalytic converter as well as numerous overheats
 
2013-09-01 11:14:04 PM  

lack of warmth: jayphat: lack of warmth: jayphat: You kids wanna talk about head bolts? We had an '84 4 cylinder Charger. In 2000, we tried to do a full rebuild on the motor.  The headbolts were an absolute biatch to get off. How much? We had a pry bar in-between the head and the block. And two people standing on top of it.  We junked the car for parts.

You tried rebuilding an 84 Charger with a 4 cylinder, why?

5 siblings. We lived on a farm. Had most of the equipment and knowledge. And well, we needed the wheels.

Oh boredom, I get that.  I stayed on a farm for a few months with an uncle.  I still don't know how my cousin reattached a driveshaft on a Dodge truck with a coat hanger.  All I know is he went out hunting, came back without the truck grabbed a coat hanger and returned with the truck an hour later.


Sweaty Dynamite: As someone who, merely two days ago, bought a 2001 Honda Civic LX with 63k miles on it for...ONE DOLLAR.  I have to say, no.

Back in the 60's, my dad bought a 57 Chevy Bel Air for a dollar.  He used it for dirt track racing.


That too. There was also the 1968 3/4 ton Ford 4 speed in the shed too. But without a functioning heater, half the floorboards, and vice grips on the window cranks, it felt like less of a safer investment.
 
2013-09-01 11:14:10 PM  

Fissile: Boo_Guy: DarkSoulNoHope: This will always be the number one car for me on the road.

[imageshack.us image 850x637]
*droolz at purple*

/hubcaps aren't Honda OEM
//they look fugly

A fellow purple lover I see.

This was my old Ford Probe,  this was a factory color called Wild Orchid Metallic;
[i3.photobucket.com image 800x600]

/My purple probe
/No jokes to be made here,  no siree.

==================

The Probe was actually a Mazda MX-6.  I had a first gen, nice handling car, average reliability for it's time.  Trans grenaded at 153K.


You say that like I dont know. =)   Mine had the 200hp japan spec engine installed in it,  the KLZE.  More fun than the KLDE the american spec ones came with.

I wish the 2nd gen GTs had come with a turbo 4 as well,  its too bad.  A 15 dollar engine chip and a boost controller turn up the hp and tq. on a 1st Gen very nicely,  I had to install an engine to do it. lol
 
2013-09-01 11:15:59 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: AverageAmericanGuy: DarkSoulNoHope: This will always be the number one car for me on the road.

[imageshack.us image 850x637]
*droolz at purple*

/hubcaps aren't Honda OEM
//they look fugly

I have one in white. It's great, but it needs a bit more power and a lot more sound dampening.

What year? I hear they may have fixed that on the 2012 model, apparently 2014 will be their "Earth Dreams" engine, so hopefully that means more power as well as (more importantly to me) gas mileage.


It's a 2011. The road noise is very loud, and I can't eke more than 34mpg out of it, and the engine doesn't have the zip I would want in a little car like that. But otherwise it is exactly the car I want. It's huge inside, small outside, the A/C works better than any other A/C I've ever had, and the visibility is really great.
 
2013-09-01 11:21:11 PM  

jayphat: TanSau: As a mechanic:
 BULLSHIAT!

Seriously, the Focus and it's older brother, the Escort are the worst things on the road.

Better than Toyota?

biatch please....

I got a ZX2 in the driveway with 68K on it. Your move mate.


I sold my ZX2 to buy a Ranger. If I'd had room for both, I'd have kept the ZX2. I loved that little thing.
 
2013-09-01 11:25:12 PM  

lordargent: I rented a focus a couple of years.

Unless they've completely redesigned them from the ground up since then, or have a huge quality range in their model lines, I have just one thing to say.

[i1.kym-cdn.com image 468x349]

Second worst car I ever rented (the worst was some sort of Kia midsized SUV thing that had humungous blind spots).


I rented a Kia for a weekend road trip. They ran out of cars (which are not bad) and gave me a Sorento. I got about 50 miles into my trip and then turned around to take it back. It was the biggest POS I've ever driven. Ever. And I've driven a conversion van and a Buick Estate Wagon. The shift points were infuriating.
 
2013-09-01 11:29:48 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Boo_Guy: DarkSoulNoHope: This will always be the number one car for me on the road.

[imageshack.us image 850x637]
*droolz at purple*

/hubcaps aren't Honda OEM
//they look fugly

A fellow purple lover I see.

This was my old Ford Probe,  this was a factory color called Wild Orchid Metallic;
[i3.photobucket.com image 800x600]

/My purple probe
/No jokes to be made here,  no siree.

Looks beautiful to me. I love the purple with the black hood, my two favorite colors (purple first, black second). I am hoping to find a way to buy a two toned purple/black care one day for my future "Gothmobile." I am planning on the Fit to be that car.

/yes I would buy a hearse and paint it purple and black if I could afford it
//unfortunately a job that pays enough for two cars at once seem to be far away from me these days
///right now just surviving on my clunker that had a hiccup with the catalytic converter as well as numerous overheats


The hood is carbon fiber,  mmm mmm.  I was going to paint the roof black one day too.

But it was an auto,  and like others have said,  ford autos dont usually last.  The overdrive light started doing the blue blink of death...  then it got in an accident a few days later, time of death only 93,000 miles.

I was going to replace it with a manual anyway,  but with the accident it was toast.
i3.photobucket.com

/Its on blocks because the rims were stolen after it was towed to a garage after the accident
 
2013-09-01 11:31:10 PM  

LoneCoon: jayphat: TanSau: As a mechanic:
 BULLSHIAT!

Seriously, the Focus and it's older brother, the Escort are the worst things on the road.

Better than Toyota?

biatch please....

I got a ZX2 in the driveway with 68K on it. Your move mate.

I sold my ZX2 to buy a Ranger. If I'd had room for both, I'd have kept the ZX2. I loved that little thing.


Only fault I can find in it, other than the fact it needs a new battery, is that it idles in gear rougher than I would like. In neutral, perfekly fine. In drive or reverse, holy fark!
 
2013-09-01 11:35:08 PM  
img.photobucket.com
I'm quite happy with mine. 165,000 on the odo. fun to drive, decent on gas, comfortable. works for me.
 
2013-09-01 11:35:45 PM  
Intrepid00: Dude, every rental car is a piece of shut because it is a rental car.

Rental cars are always a POS compared to the regular consumer versions.

However, I was comparing rental cars to rental cars ("second worst car I ever rented).

// I've driven cars that were worse than rental cars, but they were beat to shiat with hundreds of thousands of miles on them.

// The Kia (the worst car I've ever rented) just had a few hundred miles on the odo.
 
2013-09-01 11:40:21 PM  

freak7: I almost bought a 2013 Focus, but there have been so many complaints about the transmission that I decided against it.  To this day, there are still ongoing problems that have a lot of owners pissed off.


I have a 2012 with a manual transmission.  Starting the car while in first gear gets a little tricky sometimes, but otherwise it works great.  I don't understand any of the transmission complaints.
 
2013-09-01 11:54:55 PM  

space1999: I have a 2012 with a manual transmission.  Starting the car while in first gear gets a little tricky sometimes, but otherwise it works great.  I don't understand any of the transmission complaints.


The complaints aren't with the manual.
 
2013-09-01 11:56:09 PM  
THIS JUST IN:

THE UK FOCUS AND THE AMERICAN FOCUS ARE DIFFERENT CARS.
 
2013-09-01 11:58:10 PM  

Third_Uncle_Eno: THIS JUST IN:

THE UK FOCUS AND THE AMERICAN FOCUS ARE DIFFERENT CARS.


Well except they're not.
 
2013-09-02 12:04:53 AM  

Gulper Eel: Had an '00 Focus I put 235,000 miles on until the second baby came along and it was minivan time. Solid car, but I liked the Escorts better and since Ford minivans are teh suck, I made the jump to the Toyota Sienna. Which is a perfectly good minivan except for one huge issue - the unspeakable evil of run-flat tires.

If some car dealer tries to hard-sell that run-flat shiat at you as a feature, tell him to get a Craftmatic adjustable bed and go blow himself. Run-flats have been nothing but hell for me: they're expensive, noisy, no great shakes in bad weather, and they wear out in 25,000 miles which is a year's driving for me so every fall I have to lay out a thousand for new tires because the Sienna has no place to put a spare. At least the Sienna has been insanely durable outside of the useless farking tires.


I have a Sienna (2004) and always buy regular tires for it, and carry a can of fix-a-flat.  Waaay cheaper.
 
2013-09-02 12:08:52 AM  
My 2000 Focus was a tremendous hunk of crap.
 
2013-09-02 12:11:51 AM  

SunsetLament: This is more of an indictment of the last 25 years of the automotive industry than anything anything else.


This! We drove one of those when looking for a reasonably priced new car for my daughter's 16th bday. What a POS. It rattled so bad at highway speeds it was like there were marbles in the frame. And it took a long time to get to highway speeds.

/got her a Hyundai Elantra instead. She abuses that car to an unbelievable degree but it keeps right on going. Great value for a first car.
 
2013-09-02 12:12:26 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Well, duh. Sexy sports cars give a brand a certain caché, but those low cost and high volume econoboxes are what keep the lights on. The Focus being a solid economy car is probably why Ford survived a little better than GM or Chrysler, who both had terrible small cars until recently.


This choice is really not surprising, because the Focus really did shake up the small car segment when it was introduced.  You could argue the Civic and Corolla, but to be honest, they've become progressively worse over time, and the Focus (Euro-spec, not US market) got better and better and cleared the table of Civics and so on. And today's Focus is, arguably, the best small car in the segment.  Especially the Focus ST, which redefines how a small, FWD car is supposed to handle.
 
2013-09-02 12:16:45 AM  

phoenixdan: harlock: phoenixdan: I currently drive an 05 Mazda 3. (best car on the road as far as I am concerned) Am looking to buy a new car soon. Rented a 2013 Focus for the weekend as an extended test drive. I liked it. Fun little car to drive. Liked everything about it. Mazda just released the 2014 Mazda 3 to market and it is slowly starting to hit the market. If it weren't for Mazda completely redesigning the 3, I probably would have bought a Focus.

I have the predecessor to the 3 wagon, the Protege5.   Love it.  Engine is in great shape. just re-did a bunch of cosmetic wear items so it still looks new for a few more years.   Owned it since it was new for 10 years now.

Considering the Mazda3 with the high mileage engine if no major problems turn up with that.  Having a normal gas engine that gets that kind of mileage for cross country trips is a desirable thing.

Heard the Protege was a good car too. Knew several people that drove em into the ground. I think Mazda is far too often overlooked by people. I think the new 3 , 6, and CX5 is gonna help to increase sales at Mazda.

/enjoy your free month of TotalFark just for being a Mazda owner. :)


I have the CX5 touring, and I love it! Sized down from my Armada since I don't have to haul ginormous groups of kids around anymore. Love my little car.
 
2013-09-02 12:30:52 AM  

UsikFark: I think they mean the one they sell in the UK and Europe, not the puritanical box of dull sold here. How many Americans subscribe to Auto Express?


bingo! and they spoke of the 1998 model as well.
 
2013-09-02 12:30:53 AM  

freak7: I almost bought a 2013 Focus, but there have been so many complaints about the transmission that I decided against it.  To this day, there are still ongoing problems that have a lot of owners pissed off.


I rented a 2013 last month with about 30k on the clock.  Tranny lurched and clanked like a mofo in 1st and 2nd gear, I thought it was going to strand me somewhere east of Walla Walla.  Figured at the time it'd just had a hard rental-car life, but sounds like it might be par for the course.  Sadly.
 
2013-09-02 12:49:45 AM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: Of course it is.


Clarkson and crew think it is great except for the name. They mock the ST (Sanitary Towel) badge, and say it should be called the Asbo or something. They think it's absolutely brilliant.
 
2013-09-02 12:58:07 AM  
Grabbed a 98 Honda Accord with 103k on it for $3k.  $50 in fuel gets me 340 miles.  Cost me $200 in repairs when I took it into my guy.

New cars suck.
 
2013-09-02 01:10:04 AM  
2007 3 Dr s. Named 23. Just finished paying for it, love it to bits. I want a new car, but I am going to wait till it's pooping beds every morning. 123456 is the km reading.
 
2013-09-02 01:28:55 AM  
Learned to drive a stick in a Ford F150 (late 60's model? rusted to shiat, extremely poor brakes).
Owned a Toyota Starlet (what?). Good, cheap, reliable
Owned another Ford 4 door of some kind (started with a P? Puma, Phoenix, Pumice?). Okay.
Briefly owned a Saturn 4 door. Have driven the shiat out of a family member's Vue all over some desert and back country "roads". Too bad they went out of business. Liked the no haggle model and that they advertised actual features on the car. I'm into cars for the utility, not because they are pretty.
Owned a VW Jetta (turbo). POS. Stack of repairs in two years easily over an inch thick. It was easily the fastest, best driving car. I could tear up mountain roads. The turbo was a bit scary around town. Had to be careful punching the gas to pull out into traffic.
Currently own a Ford Escape. Needed a cheap car with high clearance that I could sleep in the back of. Also fits my bike and the dog. Have also driven the shiat out of it on desert and back country "roads" Will own another Ford.

CSB?
 
2013-09-02 01:31:55 AM  
Finally had to retire my old 1996 Acura Integra as it just went over 250,000 miles. Its starting to rust and having a new clutch installed would cost more than the car is worth. I drove it to work every day for 11 years and put a good 140,000 miles on the current clutch. It will be missed.
 
2013-09-02 01:41:48 AM  

ZzeusS: Grabbed a 98 Honda Accord with 103k on it for $3k.  $50 in fuel gets me 340 miles.  Cost me $200 in repairs when I took it into my guy.

New cars suck.


2010 STI, 41k on it, cost 30k.  $50 in fuel gets me 300 miles.  No cost of repairs at all, but about $3k in mods to Stage 3 it up to 400whp and 340lb of torque.  Daily driver, trackable, and I get compliments weekly on it.

2013 Forester for my wife in about a month.  Set the industry standard for safety, reliability, and value.  Huge warranty.

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Not all new cars suck.  2 years ago Consumer Reports rated Subaru as the best automaker in the world.  Some prefer not to have a car payment and ease of financial responsibility.  Others prefer a reliable car that is safe and fun to drive.  I've driven a Subaru in one form or another since 2000 (Legacy from 00-10, WRX 10-12, STI 12+) and now my wife will be getting one.  In 13 years and 460,000 total miles, I've had 1 repair.  1.  Radiator went out at 110k on the Legacy.  To each his own.
 
2013-09-02 01:49:11 AM  

Fade2black: ZzeusS: Grabbed a 98 Honda Accord with 103k on it for $3k.  $50 in fuel gets me 340 miles.  Cost me $200 in repairs when I took it into my guy.

New cars suck.

2010 STI, 41k on it, cost 30k.  $50 in fuel gets me 300 miles.  No cost of repairs at all, but about $3k in mods to Stage 3 it up to 400whp and 340lb of torque.  Daily driver, trackable, and I get compliments weekly on it.

2013 Forester for my wife in about a month.  Set the industry standard for safety, reliability, and value.  Huge warranty.

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Not all new cars suck.  2 years ago Consumer Reports rated Subaru as the best automaker in the world.  Some prefer not to have a car payment and ease of financial responsibility.  Others prefer a reliable car that is safe and fun to drive.  I've driven a Subaru in one form or another since 2000 (Legacy from 00-10, WRX 10-12, STI 12+) and now my wife will be getting one.  In 13 years and 460,000 total miles, I've had 1 repair.  1.  Radiator went out at 110k on the Legacy.  To each his own.


Do they sell the Forester with a scoop on the hood in the US? It really looks despondent without it.
 
2013-09-02 02:12:50 AM  
I rented a first-gen back around '00 when my Jetta got hit and was in the shop.

It was OK, it felt cheap and plasticky and made out of tin compared to the VW, but then it's a cheaper car.
The thing I didn't like about it was the suspension.  They got it all wrong.  Over slow bumps - undulations and so on - it trampolined and wallowed a bit, and leaned in corners.  Over fast bumps - potholes and the like - it was too stiff and kicked you in the kidneys so hard that by the end of the week I was wincing and bracing in preparation every time I knew there was something unavoidable.

Was incredibly happy to get back into my VW at the end of it.
 
2013-09-02 02:22:25 AM  
AverageAmericanGuy:

Do they sell the Forester with a scoop on the hood in the US? It really looks despondent without it.

Yes they do.  And trust me, she's demanding the turbo version.  But I was more searching for the color she wanted as opposed to the trim style.
 
2013-09-02 02:23:08 AM  
Reminds me of my friends Focus that we used to jump. This "high water crossing" was perfectly shaped and the car would hit 80 with 2-4 people in it everytime. I think they were called Escorts back then.
 
2013-09-02 03:35:04 AM  

mjjt: Most beautiful:

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mjjt: Most badass:

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You have a funny definition of "the last 25 years," time traveler.
 
2013-09-02 03:38:31 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: megarian: I miss my old Jimmy. It could plow through sand and water and mailboxes.

Now I still have my Grand Am. It is heals together by gaffers tape, spit, and luck.

Yay.

I had a 1995 grand am gt. 3100 v6.

Fast as hell for just 150hp.

Transmission went at 175k miles.

Converted it to RWD as a weekend project car and dropped in a GM zz3 crate.

Vrrooom!


I had a 91 grand am.  The drive train and engine was made out of adamantium.  The rest of the car was made out of tissue paper.  It had about 200k miles on it when I finally gave it away (because no one would buy it).  Still ran just fine.

It was also not a slow car, but hardly what I would call fast.  But then, it was nearly the lowest HP car I've ever owned.
 
2013-09-02 03:48:36 AM  

lordargent: I rented a focus a couple of years.

Unless they've completely redesigned them from the ground up since then, or have a huge quality range in their model lines, I have just one thing to say.



Second worst car I ever rented (the worst was some sort of Kia midsized SUV thing that had humungous blind spots).


Actually, the Focus went through a complete redesign in 2012, and it's a pretty good car now. The transmission is a little weird, being a dual clutch electronic manual, but once you get used to it it's comfortable, useful, and pretty fun to drive.

My wife has the SEL hatchback, and I like it quite a bit.
 
2013-09-02 03:55:02 AM  
I have an '02, I'm trading it in on a used copmobile when I get my tax refund next year.  It's hard to judge for me, as I got this with 110K on it, and it had taken some abuse.  Engine and tranny are fine, but the little farker eats wheel bearing like nobody's business.  Turns out the front ones were due to suspension damage.  The back ones are due to Ford Focus.  A total of 8 now.  In 3 years.  Fark me running.
 
2013-09-02 06:05:20 AM  
I had two of 'em. Nice car.  I wouldn't say "best car", but they worked well for the price.
 
2013-09-02 07:10:07 AM  
Uh.. I had a co-worker make me promise not to buy a ford focus because his was always broken down.

So I'm finding it hard to believe this 'best car'-thingy.
 
2013-09-02 07:50:41 AM  
Get one with a manual transmission. Ford has been making and refining the MTX-75 five-speed since the eighties, so the thing is pretty much bombproof at this point. My '06 was probably the best car I've ever owned.
 
2013-09-02 08:57:45 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: This will always be the number one car for me on the road.

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*droolz at purple*

/hubcaps aren't Honda OEM
//they look fugly


The first time I drove one of those I was surprised by 3 things:

1. It had more 'pep' than a car of that size is expected to have
2. It has more interior room than a car of that size is expected to have
3. It looks better than a car of that style is expected to have.

The only real thing that hurts the Fit/Jazz is that it's in a class of car (and I don't know the name of it, but the Toyota Matrix/Yaris is in it, and the Mitsubishi Colt/Mirage) that are all entirely terrible, yet it stands there as the exception to the rule - yet people will ignore it because they've test driven the others and assume it's just like them.
 
2013-09-02 08:58:54 AM  

arashinogarou: leevis: Nope, the 1998 Chevy Lumina 3.1 V6

Enjoy replacing that blown intake manifold gasket every three years.


I bought my car new, never had a lick of trouble with the engine and the only gasket that's been replaced is on the water pump.
 
2013-09-02 09:06:37 AM  

mark12A: I've rented them multiple times. Nice, tight car. I was driving a rental one a couple months ago and pulled into the parking lot and a nice young man driving a Dodge Charger whipped around a row of cars and plowed into me. Trashed the front end, hood, and popped the radiator. But I had full coverage so it didn't cost me a dime....


Are you in good hands?
/Featured Partner
 
2013-09-02 09:07:47 AM  

lack of warmth: leevis: Nope, the 1998 Chevy Lumina 3.1 V6

Nothing with the Chevy 3.1 LG8 motor is worth a crap.  They break head bolts anywhere between 140K to 200K miles whereas the early 90's 3.1 LH0 motor is a dependable motor.  I still see several early 90's Luminas and the vans that shared that motor still running.  The cars with the 3.1 LG8 V6 and 3.4 LQ1 V6 are starting to fade away from the streets.  That is saying a lot in a town that has 80-90% Chevy vehicles on the road.

/ I am friends with an engineer who worked on the LG8 and LQ1 motors for GM and he is the one who informed me that it was something they knew about before production.
//He drives Chevy but none of his cars has those two motors


Neither of those engines was used on the '98 base model, which I have. Mine has the L82. According to Wikipedia, the LG8 was only used the last two years of production, and those cars were built for the rental fleet. The LQ1 was only used on the LS and LTZ and was discontinued before they build the '98s.
 
2013-09-02 09:28:25 AM  
Is it just me or....

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2013-09-02 10:02:37 AM  

Boo_Guy: The hood is carbon fiber, mmm mmm. I was going to paint the roof black one day too.

But it was an auto, and like others have said, ford autos dont usually last. The overdrive light started doing the blue blink of death... then it got in an accident a few days later, time of death only 93,000 miles.

I was going to replace it with a manual anyway, but with the accident it was toast.
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/Its on blocks because the rims were stolen after it was towed to a garage after the accident


:( RIP wonderful purple car. Yeah, my current car is a Fix Or Repair Daily as well, which goes exactly by the meme. The rims must have been great looking for someone to sneak in and steal it like that, either that or the owner though that and pretended they were stolen.
 
2013-09-02 10:13:38 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It's a 2011. The road noise is very loud, and I can't eke more than 34mpg out of it, and the engine doesn't have the zip I would want in a little car like that. But otherwise it is exactly the car I want. It's huge inside, small outside, the A/C works better than any other A/C I've ever had, and the visibility is really great.


Minus the road noise (which I think they said they fixed on the 2012 model and beyond, though of course I am being idealistic to think I can afford a brand new car [even something as inexpensive as a Fit!] under my current financial situation), it seems to be everything I want in a car. Huge inside, small outside, gas mileage and visibility. Me having a purple/black Hearse is one of those "Goth fantasies" I carry (Thanks Peter Murphy and Bauhaus for putting THAT idea in my head!) around, but do honestly think it would be too big for me to drive casually and only would be good as either a second car. (where I can guarantee a parking spot for it because I am not parallel parking that thing!)
 
2013-09-02 10:23:10 AM  

broadsword: The first time I drove one of those I was surprised by 3 things:

1. It had more 'pep' than a car of that size is expected to have
2. It has more interior room than a car of that size is expected to have
3. It looks better than a car of that style is expected to have.

The only real thing that hurts the Fit/Jazz is that it's in a class of car (and I don't know the name of it, but the Toyota Matrix/Yaris is in it, and the Mitsubishi Colt/Mirage) that are all entirely terrible, yet it stands there as the exception to the rule - yet people will ignore it because they've test driven the others and assume it's just like them.


Everything I agree with, cept for maybe the "looking better part", it does look nice but has the design of a mini-mini van :-P  But I still desire to own a Honda Fit one day. :) I also think that people see it as a "dangerous" car, like my mom does as an insurance agent when I asked her to quote me a insurance price if I ever decided to buy one. She said "Don't get this one, get the CR-V" as if she didn't understand my reasoning for getting a small car and just cares about the accident possiblity. I understand big car vs little car in an accident means I will lose when driving a Fit, but to me the risk is worth it, especially with the traveling I like to do for pinball game finding adventures (from coastal central NJ, I have gone as far west as Oaks, PA (Fun Center there, right outside the convention venue me and my ex went to) and Goth clubs are all north of me or west of me (Newark/New York or Philadelphia).
 
2013-09-02 10:42:26 AM  

JungleBoogie: Better than:
• Honda Civic
• Toyota Corolla
• Honda Accord
• Toyota Camry

Right. The editors were snorting cocaine off of each others' behinds.


Don't worry, I'm sure you could still find a way to weld a coffee can in place of the muffler and attach and oversized aircraft wing to the trunk.

For everyone else hemming and hawing in disbelief, go test drive one of the new ones.  I've had a couple rentals for business recently, and they convinced me that if I were currently in the market for a new car right now, the Focus would probably be the one.
 
2013-09-02 11:12:06 AM  
To be fair, the Mk I focus in hatchback form with a manual gear box (the bulk of how they are sold outside of the U.S.) was actually a really well balanced car. I had a 2002 that was nothing but trouble and replaced it with a 2007 (the U.S. market got the Mk I until MY 2012 when we got the Mk 3 - the Mk I got reskinned for 08-11) Having ~250k miles of driving time with various foci, they're quite excellent cars for what they are. Handling is good, practicality is excellent, comfort is good until the foam wears out, they're pretty service friendly, good on gas, and cheap to run. Wasn't the cheapest car to insure though... When I traded my 07 in on a used BMW X3, my car insurance premiums actually went down! (to be fair, the Mk I BMW X3 is primarily driven by middle aged women who have a new beetle cabrio as their summer car... - so insurance rates are lower!)

I gave up the focus because I reached a point where I needed an automatic gearbox in my daily driver and don't trust any transverse mount automatic gearbox. (my knees aren't as good as they once were - and anyone who is familiar with the Pkwy east in Pittsburgh can tell you that driving a manual gearbox car on that is hell)
 
2013-09-02 03:07:21 PM  
I traded in my 2004 Focus SE Wagon for a 2013 SE Fiesta Hatchback. It's in the process of being fixed up to sell on kijiji. I only have about 160k on it, and it was starting to rust out. I also had some electrical issues with it, but I think it was more to do with the remote starter that was installed in it by the previous owner. I bought it used back in 2010. My parents just bought a 2013 Focus Titanium Sedan, and really love it. They haven't had any issues with the transmission yet. Nor have I, as the Fiesta has the same one. They're replacing a 2005 Taurus sedan. I honestly don't see why people tend to bash Ford so often, as every brand of car has the odd lemon. I think it's the way people drive their cars, and occasionally the modifications some of them make.

/pretty much every vehicle my immediate family has owned in the past 28 years has been Ford
//one exception, the piece of farking shiat 2008 Jeep Compass, which is currently on its 3rd transmission.
 
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