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(Telegraph)   The best car of the last 25 years isn't a Ferrari or an Aston Martin or even a Toyota; no, it's the Ford Focus   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 162
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2013-09-01 08:46:33 PM
Of course it is.
 
2013-09-01 08:47:50 PM
Nope, the 1998 Chevy Lumina 3.1 V6
 
2013-09-01 08:48:10 PM
I like the Focus but I have never once seen one on the road.  Eh?
 
2013-09-01 08:48:38 PM
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2013-09-01 08:49:44 PM
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2013-09-01 08:50:15 PM
What do you think Mr. Clarkson?
skaheru.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-01 08:51:42 PM
I rented a focus a couple of years.

Unless they've completely redesigned them from the ground up since then, or have a huge quality range in their model lines, I have just one thing to say.

i1.kym-cdn.com

Second worst car I ever rented (the worst was some sort of Kia midsized SUV thing that had humungous blind spots).
 
2013-09-01 08:52:17 PM
years ago
 
2013-09-01 08:52:52 PM
This is more of an indictment of the last 25 years of the automotive industry than anything anything else.
 
2013-09-01 08:52:53 PM
Well, duh. Sexy sports cars give a brand a certain caché, but those low cost and high volume econoboxes are what keep the lights on. The Focus being a solid economy car is probably why Ford survived a little better than GM or Chrysler, who both had terrible small cars until recently.
 
2013-09-01 08:52:58 PM
I almost bought a 2013 Focus, but there have been so many complaints about the transmission that I decided against it.  To this day, there are still ongoing problems that have a lot of owners pissed off.
 
2013-09-01 08:53:43 PM
Had one, quite literally drove it into the ground after 8 years and 180,000 miles.  It was an all right car, though I don't know if I'd ever drive another one.
 
2013-09-01 08:53:55 PM
And they didn't take bailout money. Only MURICAN vehicle I'd consider.
 
2013-09-01 08:54:53 PM

freak7: I almost bought a 2013 Focus, but there have been so many complaints about the transmission that I decided against it.  To this day, there are still ongoing problems that have a lot of owners pissed off.


I owned a 2009 Ford Focus 2 door coupe for 4 years, until earlier this year when I swapped it for a mustang.

Other than oil and routine maintence, I never had to do anything else to it.
 
2013-09-01 08:56:26 PM

hardinparamedic: I owned a 2009 Ford Focus 2 door coupe for 4 years, until earlier this year when I swapped it for a mustang.

Other than oil and routine maintence, I never had to do anything else to it.


The latest generation has a new drive train and one very screwed up transmission according to the flood of posts on focusfanatics.com
 
2013-09-01 08:56:36 PM
I've rented them multiple times. Nice, tight car. I was driving a rental one a couple months ago and pulled into the parking lot and a nice young man driving a Dodge Charger whipped around a row of cars and plowed into me. Trashed the front end, hood, and popped the radiator. But I had full coverage so it didn't cost me a dime....
 
2013-09-01 08:56:37 PM
Its factory audio system is enough to vote it #1. On par with the headphones that came with my ipod.
 
2013-09-01 08:58:15 PM

Night Night Cream Puff: What do you think Mr. Clarkson?
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I've got beeeees in my epiglottis!

/and on that bombshell
 
2013-09-01 09:00:32 PM
Got a 2004 ZTS, my wife drives it like she just robbed a bank....191K hard earned miles, only replaced fan resistor. Still was able to keep from overheating by keeping AC on til I got home...

Good all-around car..
 
2013-09-01 09:00:43 PM

Night Night Cream Puff: What do you think Mr. Clarkson?
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He'd pick the Ford Mondeo (Fusion).
 
2013-09-01 09:00:43 PM
If your label of 'best' goes to 'the car that meets the needs of most of the people who drive cars today' then yes, the focus is a pretty natural fit - IF you drive an SUV and don't go offroad ALL THE TIME, or tow things ALL THE TIME, or carry heavy loads ALL THE TIME, then yes, for the parts of your day where you don't need an SUV, a ford focus is a perfect fit for you.

If you have a Bentley, or a ferrari or any other kind of 'high performance' machine, then unless 100% of the time you are driving at 100mph+ at the nurburgring or on a speedtrack, then it's really very likely that driving a ford focus would suit you quite well during most of your life.

And if you add in reliability, durability, and fuel economy mixed with low costs achieved by high volume production and common component sets, (which then creates an inexpensive parts aftermarket) .. then it even wins more on price over cars like the prius which might genuinely give you better gas milage.

So yes, For most people most of the time, doing most of what they do (which is getting from a to b) a small affordable, reliable common car will almost always win 'best' car.
 
2013-09-01 09:00:44 PM
Have a 2013 Focus hatchback.  Nice car, good size, no issues so far.  Only 7500 miles, though.
 
2013-09-01 09:01:29 PM
I just bought a 2014 Ford Fusion hybrid with an Aston Martin front end, wonder where I stand?

/actually a very smart car tech wise
 
2013-09-01 09:02:12 PM
I think they mean the one they sell in the UK and Europe, not the puritanical box of dull sold here. How many Americans subscribe to Auto Express?
 
2013-09-01 09:03:01 PM
www.culture-games.com
 
2013-09-01 09:03:15 PM

rubi_con_man: If your label of 'best' goes to 'the car that meets the needs of most of the people who drive cars today' then yes, the focus is a pretty natural fit - IF you drive an SUV and don't go offroad ALL THE TIME, or tow things ALL THE TIME, or carry heavy loads ALL THE TIME, then yes, for the parts of your day where you don't need an SUV, a ford focus is a perfect fit for you.

If you have a Bentley, or a ferrari or any other kind of 'high performance' machine, then unless 100% of the time you are driving at 100mph+ at the nurburgring or on a speedtrack, then it's really very likely that driving a ford focus would suit you quite well during most of your life.

And if you add in reliability, durability, and fuel economy mixed with low costs achieved by high volume production and common component sets, (which then creates an inexpensive parts aftermarket) .. then it even wins more on price over cars like the prius which might genuinely give you better gas milage.

So yes, For most people most of the time, doing most of what they do (which is getting from a to b) a small affordable, reliable common car will almost always win 'best' car.


I wanted all of this and sporty, too. Went with a 2006 mx5 four years ago. It was a good choice.
 
2013-09-01 09:04:19 PM
I bought a four door ZTS in 2000. I have 186,000 miles on it. Lots of recalls and other problems over 13 years. I don't want another one.
 
2013-09-01 09:05:28 PM
26 comments and the car purists are coming out of the woodwork in droves..... i've got my popcorn ready.
 
2013-09-01 09:05:30 PM

AlwaysRightBoy: I just bought a 2014 Ford Fusion hybrid with an Aston Martin front end, wonder where I stand?

/actually a very smart car tech wise


Those look nice... today.  We'll see how they look in five years.  But mechanically they're sound and low maintenance.

I'm partial to Nissans and Inifinitis, so myself I'd go with the G37xs coupe.
 
2013-09-01 09:06:06 PM

freak7: I almost bought a 2013 Focus, but there have been so many complaints about the transmission that I decided against it.  To this day, there are still ongoing problems that have a lot of owners pissed off.


I loved my '07 focus wagon. more actual interior space for cargo than many SUVs, good mileage.

Transmission blew up.
 
2013-09-01 09:06:28 PM

freak7: I almost bought a 2013 Focus, but there have been so many complaints about the transmission that I decided against it.  To this day, there are still ongoing problems that have a lot of owners pissed off.


Ford has always had problems with automatic trannys. If you buy a ford get a manual.
 
2013-09-01 09:07:15 PM
This is from a UK newspaper.  The Euro Focus is much different than the US version.  Actually, Euro Fords are much better overall than their Murican counterparts.   Ford knows their US customers are idiots.  "Neither cast ye your pearls before swine."
 
2013-09-01 09:07:35 PM
And its 2.0L direct injection I4 Sciuridae engine is fantastic - especially at night at during harvest time.
 
2013-09-01 09:08:14 PM

freak7: hardinparamedic: I owned a 2009 Ford Focus 2 door coupe for 4 years, until earlier this year when I swapped it for a mustang.

Other than oil and routine maintence, I never had to do anything else to it.

The latest generation has a new drive train and one very screwed up transmission according to the flood of posts on focusfanatics.com


The dual-clutch semiautomatic transmission is becoming more prevalent across auto-makers. The new ford focus has it, the hyundai veloster has it, the kia soul has it, the dodge dart has it.
 
2013-09-01 09:09:08 PM

leevis: Nope, the 1998 Chevy Lumina 3.1 V6


Nothing with the Chevy 3.1 LG8 motor is worth a crap.  They break head bolts anywhere between 140K to 200K miles whereas the early 90's 3.1 LH0 motor is a dependable motor.  I still see several early 90's Luminas and the vans that shared that motor still running.  The cars with the 3.1 LG8 V6 and 3.4 LQ1 V6 are starting to fade away from the streets.  That is saying a lot in a town that has 80-90% Chevy vehicles on the road.

/ I am friends with an engineer who worked on the LG8 and LQ1 motors for GM and he is the one who informed me that it was something they knew about before production.
//He drives Chevy but none of his cars has those two motors
 
2013-09-01 09:10:01 PM
I miss my old Jimmy. It could plow through sand and water and mailboxes.

Now I still have my Grand Am. It is heals together by gaffers tape, spit, and luck.

Yay.
 
2013-09-01 09:12:43 PM

Marcus Aurelius: AlwaysRightBoy: I just bought a 2014 Ford Fusion hybrid with an Aston Martin front end, wonder where I stand?

/actually a very smart car tech wise

Those look nice... today.  We'll see how they look in five years.  But mechanically they're sound and low maintenance.

I'm partial to Nissans and Inifinitis, so myself I'd go with the G37xs coupe.


It's my first hybrid and my first Ford so I'm interested in how it plays out. Bought it for my wife hoping it will serve us for at least ten years.

/technology wise it's pretty impressive to me
 
2013-09-01 09:13:07 PM
Had an '00 Focus I put 235,000 miles on until the second baby came along and it was minivan time. Solid car, but I liked the Escorts better and since Ford minivans are teh suck, I made the jump to the Toyota Sienna. Which is a perfectly good minivan except for one huge issue - the unspeakable evil of run-flat tires.

If some car dealer tries to hard-sell that run-flat shiat at you as a feature, tell him to get a Craftmatic adjustable bed and go blow himself. Run-flats have been nothing but hell for me: they're expensive, noisy, no great shakes in bad weather, and they wear out in 25,000 miles which is a year's driving for me so every fall I have to lay out a thousand for new tires because the Sienna has no place to put a spare. At least the Sienna has been insanely durable outside of the useless farking tires.
 
2013-09-01 09:14:30 PM
Maybe, stubby, but I wouldn't have one. Last two fords in the family were... temperamental (at my most generous).

/  Also last two Fords.
//  My Toyota has lasted twice as long without any significant repairs, so far, than my Topaz did with.
 
2013-09-01 09:14:43 PM
I have a 2001 SE with 90k. It runs great, even after I played a little bit of bumper cars in new Jersey. However, the power windows have a part that gets brittle with age, and that baby costs like $400 to replace. Now I have 2 windows I've replaced, and 2 I don't open anymore. And the AC doesn't work anymore, but that might be related to the bumper cars.

\Duct tape circa 2006.
 
2013-09-01 09:18:01 PM

lordargent: I rented a focus a couple of years.

Unless they've completely redesigned them from the ground up since then, or have a huge quality range in their model lines, I have just one thing to say.

[i1.kym-cdn.com image 468x349]

Second worst car I ever rented (the worst was some sort of Kia midsized SUV thing that had humungous blind spots).


Next time, just for kicks, rent yourself a Chevy Aveo. They actually formed the rearview mirror out of Death's scythe blade.
 
2013-09-01 09:19:27 PM

Gulper Eel: Had an '00 Focus I put 235,000 miles on until the second baby came along and it was minivan time. Solid car, but I liked the Escorts better and since Ford minivans are teh suck, I made the jump to the Toyota Sienna. Which is a perfectly good minivan except for one huge issue - the unspeakable evil of run-flat tires.

If some car dealer tries to hard-sell that run-flat shiat at you as a feature, tell him to get a Craftmatic adjustable bed and go blow himself. Run-flats have been nothing but hell for me: they're expensive, noisy, no great shakes in bad weather, and they wear out in 25,000 miles which is a year's driving for me so every fall I have to lay out a thousand for new tires because the Sienna has no place to put a spare. At least the Sienna has been insanely durable outside of the useless farking tires.


Your fault for getting AWD.
 
2013-09-01 09:25:43 PM

megarian: I miss my old Jimmy. It could plow through sand and water and mailboxes.

Now I still have my Grand Am. It is heals together by gaffers tape, spit, and luck.

Yay.


I had a 1995 grand am gt. 3100 v6.

Fast as hell for just 150hp.

Transmission went at 175k miles.

Converted it to RWD as a weekend project car and dropped in a GM zz3 crate.

Vrrooom!
 
2013-09-01 09:27:54 PM

lack of warmth: leevis: Nope, the 1998 Chevy Lumina 3.1 V6

Nothing with the Chevy 3.1 LG8 motor is worth a crap.  They break head bolts anywhere between 140K to 200K miles whereas the early 90's 3.1 LH0 motor is a dependable motor.  I still see several early 90's Luminas and the vans that shared that motor still running.  The cars with the 3.1 LG8 V6 and 3.4 LQ1 V6 are starting to fade away from the streets.  That is saying a lot in a town that has 80-90% Chevy vehicles on the road.

/ I am friends with an engineer who worked on the LG8 and LQ1 motors for GM and he is the one who informed me that it was something they knew about before production.
//He drives Chevy but none of his cars has those two motors


I bought mine new, just turned over 215,000 miles. Whoever was working on the assembly line in Oshawa when it was being built has my utmost respect.
 
2013-09-01 09:28:24 PM
I have a 2011 Focus SE (almost bottom of the line) 4 door, 25,000 miles, and it's pretty much maintenance free.

Doesn't look bad.
Drives very nicely for what it is.
Good mileage.

Cost $14,000 on a 3% simple interest loan.
Payments are less than 250 a month.

So I'm actually pretty happy with it, minus the crushing blow it was to me to not buy another convertible.

It's one drawback is the A/C vents are very narrow and not suited for Arizona. It does get cold, but it's not the A/C that's needed here.
 
2013-09-01 09:29:27 PM
This will always be the number one car for me on the road.

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*droolz at purple*

/hubcaps aren't Honda OEM
//they look fugly
 
2013-09-01 09:30:10 PM
After having one as a rental for the past week I'm going to go with no.  Of course it had great gas mileage, but that's about the only thing I found good about it.  Not that it was the worst car or anything, but nothing special.  I'm assuming this is based on practically and price and not about it being a nice car.
 
2013-09-01 09:30:50 PM
2012 Focus here with 31k miles so far and no problems. Got the Titanium version and it is far from crap inside, but the price reflected that. I was just happy to finally get an American smaller car that didn't have a cheap interior. Wish it was diesel and had a manual transmission but other than that my wife loves it. I'm happy with my Golf TDI daily driver and Silverado for towing and hauling.
 
2013-09-01 09:31:26 PM
FTR: 2010 kia forte koup sx. Already at 96k miles.


Only hiccup was a faulty fuel injector at 28k miles. Dealer paid for part...when they wanted to keep the car for 2 days to replace it, i asked them for it. Went to the parking lot and popped in the new one in 10min flat.

Running like a clock since.

Biggest issue: factory tinted windows. The rear and two small side rear windows have large bubbles in the tint film.
 
2013-09-01 09:31:36 PM

lordargent: I rented a focus a couple of years.

Unless they've completely redesigned them from the ground up since then, or have a huge quality range in their model lines, I have just one thing to say.

[i1.kym-cdn.com image 468x349]

Second worst car I ever rented (the worst was some sort of Kia midsized SUV thing that had humungous blind spots).


They actually have.  I got a bunch of Focus rentals a few years years ago that were absolute pieces of junk.  But I've gotten a couple recently and they're really much better.  The difference between the Focus and the Fusion is huge, though.
 
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