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(Chicago Trib)   Tepco: Today's spike in radiation readings is nothing to worry about. We simply switched to a detector capable of measuring 10x as much radiation as our previous detectors. So, really, the radiation is probably no worse than yesterday. *facepalm*   (articles.chicagotribune.com) divider line 219
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2013-09-01 02:10:42 PM
With no one seeming to know how to bring the crisis to an end, Tepco said last week it would invite foreign decommissioning experts to advise it on how to deal with the highly radioactive water leaking from the site.

/me looks at calendar

That's a bit farking late to bring in actual experts.  farkheads.
 
2013-09-01 02:13:42 PM
I have the whole Fukushima situation figured out:


Nothing will actually be done until the MegaGodzillas, Rodans, and Mothras start destroying Tokyo.

Then everyone will be all "but I thought that wasn't dangerous!" and "they said it was under control!" while the buildings are falling over from the monster attack and the poor Japanese people are running in horror while mouthing out-of-sync exclamations.
 
2013-09-01 02:14:51 PM
Radiation of 1,800 millisieverts per hour - enough to kill an exposed person in four hours - was detected near the bottom of one storage tank on Saturday, Tokyo Electric Power Co, also known as Tepco, said.

An August 22 readings measured radiation of 100 millisieverts per hour at the same tank. Japanese law has set an annual radiation exposure safety threshold of 50 millisieverts for nuclear plant workers during normal hours.


So... working on fixing this is pretty much a suicide mission?
 
2013-09-01 02:16:24 PM
"Run! And don't tell nobody nuthin'!"
 
2013-09-01 02:18:28 PM
Meanwhile coal pollution is killing tens of thousands of people a year and radically altering our climate.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-09-01 02:18:48 PM
"I guess sometimes there just isn't enough carpet to sweep things undah"
www.speakinggump.com
 
2013-09-01 02:19:35 PM
So...  how many bananas are we talking here?
 
2013-09-01 02:20:33 PM
I guess they thought it was convenient the meter was maxed out and didn't replace it sooner. Sure enough, the article has them measuring 100 millisieverts with a meter capable of measuring up to... 100 millisieverts.
 
2013-09-01 02:21:29 PM

AliceBToklasLives: Meanwhile coal pollution is killing tens of thousands of people a year and radically altering our climate.


Clean coal. CLEAN COAL.
 
2013-09-01 02:23:11 PM

SpdrJay: I have the whole Fukushima situation figured out:


Nothing will actually be done until the MegaGodzillas, Rodans, and Mothras start destroying Tokyo.

Then everyone will be all "but I thought that wasn't dangerous!" and "they said it was under control!" while the buildings are falling over from the monster attack and the poor Japanese people are running in horror while mouthing out-of-sync exclamations.


and Raymond Burr does voice over.
 
2013-09-01 02:23:21 PM

RodneyToady: Radiation of 1,800 millisieverts per hour - enough to kill an

exposed person in four hours - was detected near the bottom of one storage tank on Saturday, Tokyo Electric Power Co, also known as Tepco, said.

An August 22 readings measured radiation of 100 millisieverts per hour at the same tank. Japanese law has set an annual radiation exposure safety threshold of 50 millisieverts for nuclear plant workers during normal hours.

So... working on fixing this is pretty much a suicide mission?


Well the good news is you'll drown first. ;)
 
2013-09-01 02:23:50 PM
Instruments used previously had only been capable of measuring radiation up to 100 millisieverts, but the new instruments were able to measure up to 10,000 millisieverts.

10000/100=100.

That is all.
 
2013-09-01 02:23:57 PM
The Japanese government's failure to step in and take over immediately after the disaster is going to haunt Japan for generations.
 
2013-09-01 02:28:35 PM

SpdrJay: until the MegaGodzillas, Rodans, and Mothras start destroying Tokyo.

Toronto.

Fixed.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-01 02:29:22 PM

SpdrJay: I have the whole Fukushima situation figured out:


Nothing will actually be done until the MegaGodzillas, Rodans, and Mothras start destroying Tokyo.

Then everyone will be all "but I thought that wasn't dangerous!" and "they said it was under control!" while the buildings are falling over from the monster attack and the poor Japanese people are running in horror while mouthing out-of-sync exclamations.


No.  Some madman over there is trying to summon Godzilla!
 
2013-09-01 02:30:17 PM
Cheap geiger counters will actually become saturated and stop detecting if levels get too high, but I doubt that's the issue here.
 
2013-09-01 02:30:21 PM

RodneyToady: Radiation of 1,800 millisieverts per hour - enough to kill an exposed person in four hours - was detected near the bottom of one storage tank on Saturday, Tokyo Electric Power Co, also known as Tepco, said.

An August 22 readings measured radiation of 100 millisieverts per hour at the same tank. Japanese law has set an annual radiation exposure safety threshold of 50 millisieverts for nuclear plant workers during normal hours.

So... working on fixing this is pretty much a suicide mission?


There was a BBC article about the leaks a week or two ago (back when they thought it was only emitting 100 millisieverts per hour) which said one of the reasons they were having trouble containing the leaks was that a work crew could only stay on site for a very short period of time before they had to rotate a fresh crew in to keep the workers from exceeding the radiation exposure limits
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-09-01 02:31:14 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The Japanese government's failure to step in and take over immediately after the disaster is going to haunt Japan for generations.


Damned straight skippy. I wish them luck in shaking off the ghosts of this eff-up. But I really know it will take literally generations for them to relegate it to memory and not active and valid criticism over their failure.
 
2013-09-01 02:32:44 PM
What would happen if they just opened it all up and let it all dump into the ocean?  Wouldn't it become so diluted that it would no longer be harmful, or would doing so be so detrimental to the ocean life in the immediate area (before the radiation could dissipate) that it isn't worth doing?
 
2013-09-01 02:33:11 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The Japanese government's failure to step in and take over immediately after the disaster is going to haunt Japan for generations.


Is there a reason, other than the obvious shifty financial ones, that TEPCO/the Japanese government didn't immediately erect a sarcophagus like the Russians did with Chernobyl?  Ruskies had that thing sealed up tight in a matter of days, and Fukushima has been belching out garbage for two and a half YEARS.

2014 should be interesting...they're projecting the plume will finally reach the west coast then.  We'll see just how full of shiat TEPCO really is.
 
2013-09-01 02:34:34 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Wouldn't it become so diluted that it would no longer be harmful,


Yes, actually.  But then you've got predators that might bioaccumulate the cesium in their fat, like how tuna and other fatty fish bioaccumulate mercury.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-09-01 02:34:51 PM

TuteTibiImperes: What would happen if they just opened it all up and let it all dump into the ocean?  Wouldn't it become so diluted that it would no longer be harmful, or would doing so be so detrimental to the ocean life in the immediate area (before the radiation could dissipate) that it isn't worth doing?


The effect would also travel doe to ocean current. It's impact would be a global disaster of possibly BIBLICAL proportions.
 
2013-09-01 02:35:10 PM

RodneyToady: So... working on fixing this is pretty much a suicide mission?


images2.wikia.nocookie.net

The good of the many, etc
 
2013-09-01 02:35:42 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The Japanese government's failure to step in and take over immediately after the disaster is going to haunt Japan for generations.


One generation of deformed babies and no one will hang around for another. Could see many Japanese become refugees over the next decade.

I think right now they're still in denial. Appears to be more outrage and fear in the west, but i don't exactly spend a lot of time in the Japanese community.
 
2013-09-01 02:36:07 PM
Instruments used previously had only been capable of measuring radiation up to 100 millisieverts,  but the new instruments were able to measure up to 10,000 millisieverts.

Let me get this right. Your old readings were MAXING OUT and you thought they were accurate???
Time to execute a couple more TEPCO executives.

bubo_sibiricus: With no one seeming to know how to bring the crisis to an end, Tepco said last week it would invite foreign decommissioning experts to advise it on how to deal with the highly radioactive water leaking from the site.

/me looks at calendar
That's a bit farking late to bring in actual experts.  farkheads.


Mhmm
Why are countries allowed to assert sovereignty again?
No seriously. If you have proven yourself to be that grossly incompetent,  the rest of the world should be able to ignore your sovereign rights.

Kind of like Pakistan complaining that the US invaded and attacked their country when the US killed Osama. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
 
2013-09-01 02:36:12 PM

TuteTibiImperes: What would happen if they just opened it all up and let it all dump into the ocean?  Wouldn't it become so diluted that it would no longer be harmful, or would doing so be so detrimental to the ocean life in the immediate area (before the radiation could dissipate) that it isn't worth doing?


I feel like if that were an option it would have been done by now.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-01 02:42:45 PM

gja: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The Japanese government's failure to step in and take over immediately after the disaster is going to haunt Japan for generations.

Damned straight skippy. I wish them luck in shaking off the ghosts of this eff-up. But I really know it will take literally generations for them to relegate it to memory and not active and valid criticism over their failure.


The regulatory agency at the time didn't have the power to do that.  The regulation of nuclear power in Japan is a joke, that's why their safety record is so bad.
 
2013-09-01 02:42:50 PM

bubo_sibiricus: TuteTibiImperes: Wouldn't it become so diluted that it would no longer be harmful,

Yes, actually.  But then you've got predators that might bioaccumulate the cesium in their fat, like how tuna and other fatty fish bioaccumulate mercury.


They've actually already found significant levels of cesium 121 in the Pacific food chain, in everything from krill to sea lions.

Enjoy your seafood, folks.  Just make sure it isn't from the Pacific.  Or the Gulf.  Probably oughta steer clear of Atlantic caught seafood too, just to be safe.  Also, avoid the birds that are eating the fish, and any mammals that may be eating the birds.
 
2013-09-01 02:43:28 PM
This is an out of control unintentional weapon of mass destruction and a clear and present danger to the food chain in the Pacific Ocean, Hawaii, Alaska and the west coast of North America.

It is getting worse by the day.

Pretty soon no one will be able to fix anything there because the radiation lever will be that to approach the area would be a death sentence within minutes.

Tepco needs to be removed and let the Fark nuclear experts fix this. The same ones that said this cannot happen.

/Furious.
 
2013-09-01 02:45:12 PM

TuteTibiImperes: What would happen if they just opened it all up and let it all dump into the ocean?  Wouldn't it become so diluted that it would no longer be harmful, or would doing so be so detrimental to the ocean life in the immediate area (before the radiation could dissipate) that it isn't worth doing?


Yes, no, sort of.

We are surrounded by radioactive material. It is just very "dilute" (to use your word).
Take a Geiger counter to any granite and it goes off.
When I showed him radioactive Niagara Gold granite in his showroom, he insisted, "a sealer will take care of it".

Background radiation is 1-3 mS. So yes, you could in theory dilute all that water in the ocean.
Except that other countries get pissed that they cant dump in the ocean. And soon enough everyone is dumping everything in the ocean to dilute it and we are back to the good old days of burning rivers and walking on lake erie.
 
2013-09-01 02:46:33 PM

grinding_journalist: TuteTibiImperes: What would happen if they just opened it all up and let it all dump into the ocean?  Wouldn't it become so diluted that it would no longer be harmful, or would doing so be so detrimental to the ocean life in the immediate area (before the radiation could dissipate) that it isn't worth doing?

I feel like if that were an option it would have been done by now.


According to some sources water is leaking into the ocean as fast as they can pump it in, which is essentially the same.

And the primary problem is the rods themselves, which any water is attempting to cool. No one has a damn clue what to do about them.
 
2013-09-01 02:48:08 PM

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: Tepco needs to be removed and let the Fark nuclear experts fix this. The same ones that said this cannot happen.


Yeah, there are one or two here who are STILL towing the Tepco company line, and they're the exact same people who I saw the day of the tsunami swearing that it was impossible for Fukushima to melt down and that everyone was making a mountain out of a molehill.

Right now, Chernobyl looks like the farking molehill.
 
2013-09-01 02:48:24 PM
How about that bid for the summer Olympics? The Japanese government should be able to handle that at the same time, right?
 
2013-09-01 02:51:20 PM

PainfulItching: How about that bid for the summer Olympics? The Japanese government should be able to handle that at the same time, right?


Tepco says they project to have the site under control around 2050, so I'm sure the IOCC will be plenty understanding.
 
2013-09-01 02:54:42 PM
They keep building water containers for all of the radioactive water. But they can't tell us how those water tanks would hold up to an earthquake. And once the water seeps into the ground and the watertable, there's no way to stop it from flowing into the ocean. The whole effing Pacific Ocean is in peril over this shiat, and the Japanese don't seem to know what the fark to do about it beyond bandaids.
 
2013-09-01 02:55:13 PM

bigbobowski: SpdrJay: I have the whole Fukushima situation figured out:


Nothing will actually be done until the MegaGodzillas, Rodans, and Mothras start destroying Tokyo.

Then everyone will be all "but I thought that wasn't dangerous!" and "they said it was under control!" while the buildings are falling over from the monster attack and the poor Japanese people are running in horror while mouthing out-of-sync exclamations.

and Raymond Burr does voice over.


But only so they can market the news footage to American audiences.
 
2013-09-01 02:56:20 PM

radarlove: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: Tepco needs to be removed and let the Fark nuclear experts fix this. The same ones that said this cannot happen.

Yeah, there are one or two here who are STILL towing the Tepco company line, and they're the exact same people who I saw the day of the tsunami swearing that it was impossible for Fukushima to melt down and that everyone was making a mountain out of a molehill.

Right now, Chernobyl looks like the farking molehill.


Pretty sure Chernobyl was far worse than this.  Not that this isn't really f'ing bad.
 
2013-09-01 02:56:50 PM

shower_in_my_socks: They keep building water containers for all of the radioactive water. But they can't tell us how those water tanks would hold up to an earthquake. And once the water seeps into the ground and the watertable, there's no way to stop it from flowing into the ocean. The whole effing Pacific Ocean is in peril over this shiat, and the Japanese don't seem to know what the fark to do about it beyond bandaids.


But nuclear power is perfectly safe these days and anyone who says otherwise is a loony hippie who is personally holding back our country from greatness and the creation of a new utopia.
 
2013-09-01 02:58:47 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: shower_in_my_socks: They keep building water containers for all of the radioactive water. But they can't tell us how those water tanks would hold up to an earthquake. And once the water seeps into the ground and the watertable, there's no way to stop it from flowing into the ocean. The whole effing Pacific Ocean is in peril over this shiat, and the Japanese don't seem to know what the fark to do about it beyond bandaids.

But nuclear power is perfectly safe these days and anyone who says otherwise is a loony hippie who is personally holding back our country from greatness and the creation of a new utopia.


I'm actually pro nuclear power. It's far, far less deadly than coal. You just have to be smart about how and where you build the plants.
 
2013-09-01 02:58:57 PM
I'm glad they're finally getting the jump on this whole sitch over two years later.
 
2013-09-01 03:00:05 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: shower_in_my_socks: They keep building water containers for all of the radioactive water. But they can't tell us how those water tanks would hold up to an earthquake. And once the water seeps into the ground and the watertable, there's no way to stop it from flowing into the ocean. The whole effing Pacific Ocean is in peril over this shiat, and the Japanese don't seem to know what the fark to do about it beyond bandaids.

But nuclear power is perfectly safe these days and anyone who says otherwise is a loony hippie who is personally holding back our country from greatness and the creation of a new utopia.


Well, most of the time it is.  There have only been two incidents this bad, ever.  Most of the time it's much, much, cleaner than coal, and releases less greenhouse gases than oil or natural gas plants.

Fukushima isn't a reason to be afraid of nuclear power, it's just an example of how and where to not build a nuclear power plant.
 
2013-09-01 03:01:32 PM

radarlove: PainfulItching: How about that bid for the summer Olympics? The Japanese government should be able to handle that at the same time, right?

Tepco says they project to have the site under control around 2050, so I'm sure the IOCC will be plenty understanding.


if there was only some way to convince the IOCC....

thaiintelligentnews.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-01 03:02:45 PM
They will NEVER be able to control this accident. The coriums melted out of the reactors and is in the groundwater and aquifer. The water is welling up, now at the surface. We do not possess the technology to stop the accident, it will get much worse. The reactors will tip over spilling the spent fuel pools, uncovering them. The rods will burn, the mox and other rods will burn, it will aerosalize in the atmosphere. We will get cancer from this. Or worse.

When this happens a domino effect will happen.

Fukushima presently equals the sum of all Caesium from atmospheric weapons testing.

People, we are SCREWED.
 
2013-09-01 03:05:35 PM
FTFA:   Tepco said the radiation measured was beta rays, which would be easier to protect against than gamma rays.

So are they only taking beta radiation into account?  Notice how he said beta rays are easier to protect against than gamma rays.  Nothing was said about the amount of gamma radiation being released.

Yeah, more cover up.
 
2013-09-01 03:07:05 PM

johnny_vegas: radarlove: PainfulItching: How about that bid for the summer Olympics? The Japanese government should be able to handle that at the same time, right?

Tepco says they project to have the site under control around 2050, so I'm sure the IOCC will be plenty understanding.

if there was only some way to convince the IOCC....

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I'll bet she didn't spend that money on food. Probably bigger bolt-ons thinking it makes her look better.
 
2013-09-01 03:08:34 PM
From the day of the quake, TEPCO's handling of this whole thing has been one huge farkup after another, and their continual lies to save face is horrible to say the least.
 
2013-09-01 03:08:49 PM

foo monkey: radarlove: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: Tepco needs to be removed and let the Fark nuclear experts fix this. The same ones that said this cannot happen.

Yeah, there are one or two here who are STILL towing the Tepco company line, and they're the exact same people who I saw the day of the tsunami swearing that it was impossible for Fukushima to melt down and that everyone was making a mountain out of a molehill.

Right now, Chernobyl looks like the farking molehill.

Pretty sure Chernobyl was far worse than this.  Not that this isn't really f'ing bad.


Chernobyl was worse, for now. Over 5 times the amount of radiation was released into the atmosphere, and the highest level of radiation detected was more than double.

I think the potential for Fukushima to get much worse is tailing off, but lets not give up hope yet. They seem to be going for a fark-up marathon.
 
2013-09-01 03:08:52 PM

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: People, we are SCREWED.


Fuked is the term being floated around in some groups.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-09-01 03:09:16 PM

TuteTibiImperes: The All-Powerful Atheismo: shower_in_my_socks: They keep building water containers for all of the radioactive water. But they can't tell us how those water tanks would hold up to an earthquake. And once the water seeps into the ground and the watertable, there's no way to stop it from flowing into the ocean. The whole effing Pacific Ocean is in peril over this shiat, and the Japanese don't seem to know what the fark to do about it beyond bandaids.

But nuclear power is perfectly safe these days and anyone who says otherwise is a loony hippie who is personally holding back our country from greatness and the creation of a new utopia.

Well, most of the time it is.  There have only been two incidents this bad, ever.  Most of the time it's much, much, cleaner than coal, and releases less greenhouse gases than oil or natural gas plants.

Fukushima isn't a reason to be afraid of nuclear power, it's just an example of how and where to not build a nuclear power plant.


Nothing is "perfectly" safe. I have 1st hand real-life experience in seeing a water turbine eat itself and take out a housing 16 feet thick. Granted we were viewing from over 200 feet away but it still had us all leaving a skidmark in our shorts. If anyone was within 75 feet of it they would have been blenderized.
Coal/steam plants DO have accidents. Diesel plants as well. Gas turbines too.
Everything but hydro power produces pollution to some extent. Hydro power often has to reclaim and flood many miles of land to acquire the requisite gravity drop to be useful. The wildlife and people displaced/killed would beg to differ when others use the "consequence free power" line.

Nuclear can be VERY safe. And very clean when managed properly. Solar is still evolving, and many of the components needed to make cells are nasty chemical based manufacturing methods. Geo-therm is still 'pie-in-the-sky'. There are others, but fringe to be sure.
 
2013-09-01 03:09:31 PM
Oh boy! Sieverts! Be still my little radioactive heart! It works out to 180 rem/hour, if you want it in units more standard to the USA. Lord I love that Google Calculator can work that out because I didn't wanna. USA Federal Limits is 5 rem/year. Realistically, you'd hit your USA Federal Limit in two minutes. This is a job for robots, preferably.

This looks like a RWST (reactor water storage tank) gone horribly wrong. If I were to guess the water's settling out so heavy particles... like the heavy metals that are radioactive in this case... are collecting in the bottom. Beta dose is easier to shield in that it's a question of shallow dose. The proper suit, face protection and the use of multiple dosimeters would help manage this. That said, they didn't give a beta/gamma. Usually it's a correction ratio of four, so in theory we're dealing with gamma dose of 45 rem/hour. Which still sucks.

I'm really not sure how they're going to handle this. Way, way above my paygrade. In theory, you could process the water down and load the sludge into something similar to a used resin cask.
 
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