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2013-09-01 11:27:51 AM  
Ideas this bad? You deserve the consequences if you go through with it. Gimp all the cars and watch nobody drive a legal car ever again.
 
2013-09-01 11:31:44 AM  
Once they perfect self driving cars this will be pretty standard.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-01 11:42:18 AM  
There are already insurance companies that give a discount for putting a GPS monitor in your car that tells them how fast you drive.

it would be a disaster for some small towns that depend on speed trap revenue though.
 
2013-09-01 11:47:29 AM  
So the police in small towns would have to figure out a new way to shake down out of towners than a speed trap where it instantly drops from 55 to 35?  I wonder just how the police are going to spin this once they realize that they can no longer write speeding tickets if this goes through?

/ironically enough I was listening to Moving Pictures this morning & Red Barchetta was playing when I read this
//it would be kind of funny watching a place where the speed did drop 20mph instantly & watching all the cars slam on their brakes.  Can you sue the .gov for whiplash?
 
2013-09-01 11:55:19 AM  
FTFA: It then deploys one of three controls to slow drivers: 'advice', in which the motorist is simply notified of the speed limit by an alarm, giving them the opportunity to slow down

I think this part of it might be a good idea..
 
2013-09-01 11:57:16 AM  
This sounds completely retarded.
 
2013-09-01 11:59:29 AM  

Dinki: Once they perfect self driving cars this will be pretty standard.


We don't even have self-driving trains yet, so I wouldn't hold my breath.
 
2013-09-01 12:01:24 PM  

Somacandra: FTFA: It then deploys one of three controls to slow drivers: 'advice', in which the motorist is simply notified of the speed limit by an alarm, giving them the opportunity to slow down

I think this part of it might be a good idea..


No because if a system like this can be abused by the .gov, eventually it will be abused by the .gov

While the switch may start out in the 'advice' position, within a few years it will  be mandated to be in the ... er.'mandatory' position.

All 'for the children' of course.....
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-09-01 12:04:56 PM  
There are already insurance companies that give a discount for putting a GPS monitor in your car that tells them how fast you drive.

One of the companies doesn't care how fast you drive. The tattletale box is telling them how hard you brake. Hard braking is more likely to mean "not paying attention to driving" than "likes to slow at the last moment on approach to a loop ramp."
 
2013-09-01 12:08:45 PM  
Can it also FORCE people to do the max speed in the left lane?
 
2013-09-01 12:09:24 PM  
This will never take off in the US. Why? Because police departments around the country depend too much on the revenue from people who speed.
 
2013-09-01 12:34:16 PM  
This is a violation of their first amendment rights.
 
2013-09-01 12:38:46 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Dinki: Once they perfect self driving cars this will be pretty standard.

We don't even have self-driving trains yet, so I wouldn't hold my breath.


Last time I was on a train in Vancouver I sat right at the front, and I sure as hell wasn't driving...
 
2013-09-01 12:39:55 PM  

Recoil Therapy: So the police in small towns would have to figure out a new way to shake down out of towners than a speed trap where it instantly drops from 55 to 35?  I wonder just how the police are going to spin this once they realize that they can no longer write speeding tickets if this goes through?

/ironically enough I was listening to Moving Pictures this morning & Red Barchetta was playing when I read this
//it would be kind of funny watching a place where the speed did drop 20mph instantly & watching all the cars slam on their brakes.  Can you sue the .gov for whiplash?


They'll just write tickets for tailgaiting, improper signalling etc etc.
 
2013-09-01 12:45:57 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Marcus Aurelius: Dinki: Once they perfect self driving cars this will be pretty standard.

We don't even have self-driving trains yet, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

Last time I was on a train in Vancouver I sat right at the front, and I sure as hell wasn't driving...


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-09-01 12:59:30 PM  
I saw this coming 20 years ago and think it's a great idea.  Can't wait for it to be used in the USA.
 
2013-09-01 12:59:37 PM  
So I guess passing would be out of the question.
 
2013-09-01 01:00:23 PM  

kxs401: This is a violation of their first amendment rights.


LOL what?
 
2013-09-01 01:00:43 PM  

freak7: Can't wait for it to be used in the USA.


I will revel in your frustration as you wait forever.
 
2013-09-01 01:02:07 PM  

Recoil Therapy: So the police in small towns would have to figure out a new way to shake down out of towners than a speed trap where it instantly drops from 55 to 35?  I wonder just how the police are going to spin this once they realize that they can no longer write speeding tickets if this goes through?

/ironically enough I was listening to Moving Pictures this morning & Red Barchetta was playing when I read this
//it would be kind of funny watching a place where the speed did drop 20mph instantly & watching all the cars slam on their brakes.  Can you sue the .gov for whiplash?


Once they can no longer bust people for pot possession and sell all their assets at auction, cops are going to be stepping up ticketing of speeders to make up for budget shortfalls.  And, their aint shiat you can do about it when municipalities make it more expensive to contest it in court than to just pay the ticket.

USA!
 
2013-09-01 01:04:26 PM  
Lets put a "1" in front of the 55. GENIUS????
 
2013-09-01 01:04:51 PM  
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2013-09-01 01:05:14 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Dinki: Once they perfect self driving cars this will be pretty standard.

We don't even have self-driving trains yet, so I wouldn't hold my breath.


Vancouver's automated Skytrain system begs to differ.
 
2013-09-01 01:06:40 PM  

flucto: I will revel in your frustration as you wait forever.


Keep thinking that.
 
2013-09-01 01:07:53 PM  
Seems to me this would be easily defeated by a piece of tape that prevents it from seeing any speed limit signs.
 
2013-09-01 01:10:03 PM  
came for the Rush reference...leaving disappointed.

/feeling old
 
2013-09-01 01:10:23 PM  
Ah, so a reverse Toyota.  What could possibly go wrong?
 
2013-09-01 01:19:47 PM  
Why have cars read signs? Google maps already knows the speed limit on every road in the world, so how cannot the cars of tomorrow simply maintain the speed limit, since they will always know where they are anyway?
 
2013-09-01 01:21:25 PM  
Ah Europe. Lets put a GPS unit in every vehicle(in transport trucks now) to charge a road toll via where you drive. But comes with some basic privacy laws to prevent scraping all that data.

In North America, lets put in a GPS unit for tolls and scrape the f*ck out of that data for profit and long term tracking by the police for that one time you chopped up that hooker who was already dead on the side of the road and the dent on your car came from them damn kids and their dog.

/Interesting fact: A proper enforcement on speed zone changes, results in the area 300 feet on either side of the speed change sign to be a non-enforceable zone.
//disclaimer: 'reasonable speed'(accelerate or decelerate zone). At the school zone sign, you'd better be at the slower speed instantly due to its short distance of slowness along with stupid young roadmeat who rely on signs to keep them safe instead of knowledge and opening their f*cking eyes for once.
 
2013-09-01 01:22:15 PM  

XMark: Marcus Aurelius: Dinki: Once they perfect self driving cars this will be pretty standard.

We don't even have self-driving trains yet, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

Vancouver's automated Skytrain system begs to differ.


Likewise for the DLR, Victoria Line and Jubilee Line in London, with the Victoria Line having been automatic since it opened in 1968.
 
2013-09-01 01:22:38 PM  
I think it's terrible that the government is infringing upon my right to break the law. Truly this is fascism in its most advanced stages.
 
2013-09-01 01:24:08 PM  

mister aj: I think it's terrible that the government is infringing upon my right to break the law. Truly this is fascism in its most advanced stages.


Never had to get your wife to the hospital quick to have a baby have you?
 
2013-09-01 01:24:27 PM  

Dinki: Once they perfect self driving cars this will be pretty standard.

Came to say this.  Don't put a bandage over the situation, fix the problem in its entirety.

kxs401: This is a violation of their first amendment rights.

You little scoundrel, you.

lifeboat: Ah, so a reverse Toyota.  What could possibly go wrong?

It never accelerates, ever.
 
2013-09-01 01:25:29 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Dinki: Once they perfect self driving cars this will be pretty standard.

We don't even have self-driving trains yet, so I wouldn't hold my breath.


ORLY ?
 
2013-09-01 01:28:20 PM  

mister aj: I think it's terrible that the government is infringing upon my right to break the law. Truly this is fascism in its most advanced stages.


Boot licker spotted.
 
2013-09-01 01:30:23 PM  

Dinki: Once they perfect self driving cars this will be pretty standard.


If cars get smart enough to drive themselves and are connected to a network that manages traffic, we'll all be able to travel at speeds much higher than the current speed limits.

Somacandra: I think this part of it might be a good idea..


You can already set most GPS units to do this.

freak7: I saw this coming 20 years ago and think it's a great idea.  Can't wait for it to be used in the USA.


I saw something very much like this idea floated on a TV show over 20 years ago, and it didn't happen.  You're in for a long wait.
 
2013-09-01 01:33:08 PM  
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2013-09-01 01:36:20 PM  
I have an idea.  Let's point the camera at the driver to watch for texting/reading/internet browsing.  If phone use is detected, launch the dickhead out of the car via ejection seat.

mister aj: I think it's terrible that the government is infringing upon my right to break the law. Truly this is fascism in its most advanced stages.


Stop typing.  You should be using both hands to jerk the next two cops waiting in line, instead of just sucking them off one at a time.
 
2013-09-01 01:38:02 PM  

worlddan: came for the Rush reference...leaving disappointed.

/feeling old


Try again....

/feels old as well
 
2013-09-01 01:43:20 PM  
My GPS already reminds me when I'm more than 12 over the limit.  It's pretty nice except when the GPS has the wrong info for road speed.  What would be really nice is if the GPS would warn me ahead of time when the limit goes from 55 to 35 just outside some little rural town because they get pissed off when I cruise through at 64 mph.
 
2013-09-01 01:43:32 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: We don't even have self-driving trains yet, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

Lots of radio controlled Santa Fe diesels in the Alameda yard in SoCal.
 
2013-09-01 01:47:26 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: My GPS already reminds me when I'm more than 12 over the limit.  It's pretty nice except when the GPS has the wrong info for road speed.  What would be really nice is if the GPS would warn me ahead of time when the limit goes from 55 to 35 just outside some little rural town because they get pissed off when I cruise through at 64 mph.


Try downloading Waze on your phone, if your phone has GPS capability.
 
2013-09-01 01:48:18 PM  

Recoil Therapy: Somacandra: FTFA: It then deploys one of three controls to slow drivers: 'advice', in which the motorist is simply notified of the speed limit by an alarm, giving them the opportunity to slow down

I think this part of it might be a good idea..

No because if a system like this can be abused by the .gov, eventually it will be abused by the .gov

While the switch may start out in the 'advice' position, within a few years it will  be mandated to be in the ... er.'mandatory' position.

All 'for the children' of course.....


It's a good idea to consider how the government could abuse this, and get the laws done right the first time around.

Why anyone would be against cars that refuses to let people drive drunk, massively abuse speed limits or drive into other vehicles is beyond me though. Sure, the usual clowns in the UK is against it because "big brother", but they're probably unable to qualify why exactly these measures are a bad idea (hopefully we'll see Scotland gain independence, and England leaving the EU. Imagine the bliss...).
 
2013-09-01 01:48:32 PM  

freak7: Keep thinking that.


Excellent. Your misplaced optimism is already eating away at you.
 
2013-09-01 01:50:27 PM  

Z-clipped: I have an idea. Let's point the camera at the driver to watch for texting/reading/internet browsing. If phone use is detected, launch the dickhead out of the car via ejection seat.


hey now...this idea has legs!  I like it
 
2013-09-01 01:54:02 PM  

iron de havilland: Marcus Aurelius: Dinki: Once they perfect self driving cars this will be pretty standard.

We don't even have self-driving trains yet, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

ORLY ?


I didn't think the list was that large!  I only knew about five or six.
 
2013-09-01 01:54:32 PM  

freak7: flucto: I will revel in your frustration as you wait forever.

Keep thinking that.


You are getting all sorts of bites today. Commercial trolling is restricted in these waters.
 
2013-09-01 01:57:11 PM  
Ever notice how many car are involved in crashes in NASCAR restrictor plate races?

The ability to SPEED UP to avoid danger is pretty important.
 
2013-09-01 01:58:34 PM  

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The late 70s.

 
2013-09-01 01:58:49 PM  

Weng: Seems to me this would be easily defeated by a piece of tape that prevents it from seeing any speed limit signs.


Unless the camera includes a basic photo cell that automatically locks breaks until it detects some light.
 
2013-09-01 01:58:55 PM  
Cops can still ticket for signs that are in the bushes/rusted to oblivion.

Sure, you can fight them, but it'll cost you.
 
2013-09-01 02:04:01 PM  

sheep snorter: Ah Europe. Lets put a GPS unit in every vehicle(in transport trucks now) to charge a road toll via where you drive. But comes with some basic privacy laws to prevent scraping all that data.


Yes. Those who make & enforce the laws will always follow them, citizen. European governments would never spy on their own people.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
 
2013-09-01 02:05:51 PM  
This would be okay if the speed limits were actually set by some scientific method, not because of whining NIMBYs and police departments looking for easy tickets. The limit on an identical stretch of road in this city can be anywhere from 40 to 80 k.p.h. So people routinely ignore the signs. Even grannies are 10 over the limit. If you bumped it up to what 90% of us are driving anyway, that would be a sane limit.
 
2013-09-01 02:07:20 PM  

legion_of_doo: sheep snorter: Ah Europe. Lets put a GPS unit in every vehicle(in transport trucks now) to charge a road toll via where you drive. But comes with some basic privacy laws to prevent scraping all that data.

Yes. Those who make & enforce the laws will always follow them, citizen. European governments would never spy on their own people.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?


ille qui eam fecit illud olfecit
 
2013-09-01 02:09:22 PM  
The fact that we even have the ability to implement such a scheme only highlights the absurdity of speed limit enforcement in the first place.
 
2013-09-01 02:16:35 PM  

Recoil Therapy: worlddan: came for the Rush reference...leaving disappointed.

/feeling old

Try again....

/feels old as well


Speak for yourself. Some of us are young, wondering what our dreams might be worth, but too cheap to go wandering the face of the earth.
 
2013-09-01 02:22:18 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: mister aj: I think it's terrible that the government is infringing upon my right to break the law. Truly this is fascism in its most advanced stages.

Never had to get your wife to the hospital quick to have a baby have you?


Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but I truly hope you have an EMS crew that you would call, in place of having your wife/SO have the kid on the floorboards of your car.

I would imagine if it were a true emergency, emergency vehicles would be somewhat exempt....
 
2013-09-01 02:25:19 PM  

bingethinker: This would be okay if the speed limits were actually set by some scientific method, not because of whining NIMBYs and police departments looking for easy tickets. The limit on an identical stretch of road in this city can be anywhere from 40 to 80 k.p.h. So people routinely ignore the signs. Even grannies are 10 over the limit. If you bumped it up to what 90% of us are driving anyway, that would be a sane limit.


The only part of Europe I've done much driving in is southern France, and I found the speed limits there to be pretty reasonable.  The highways were mostly 120kph, unless there was construction, and some of the country and mountain roads near where I lived honestly felt pretty scary at the posted limit.

That being said...  priorité à droite... what the fark are you French people thinking!?
 
2013-09-01 02:26:41 PM  

lack of warmth: Weng: Seems to me this would be easily defeated by a piece of tape that prevents it from seeing any speed limit signs.

Unless the camera includes a basic photo cell that automatically locks breaks until it detects some light.


Petroleum jelly over the lens. It'll detect light but it won't be reading anything.
 
2013-09-01 02:28:18 PM  

Recoil Therapy: So the police in small towns would have to figure out a new way to shake down out of towners than a speed trap where it instantly drops from 55 to 35?  I wonder just how the police are going to spin this once they realize that they can no longer write speeding tickets if this goes through?


A cop can write you a speeding ticket even if you're not actually speeding.  Driving with out-of-state plates is usually sufficient, since the cop knows it will cost you more to come back and contest it than just paying it.
 
2013-09-01 02:38:21 PM  

Recoil Therapy: So the police in small towns would have to figure out a new way to shake down out of towners than a speed trap where it instantly drops from 55 to 35?  I wonder just how the police are going to spin this once they realize that they can no longer write speeding tickets if this goes through?

/ironically enough I was listening to Moving Pictures this morning & Red Barchetta was playing when I read this
//it would be kind of funny watching a place where the speed did drop 20mph instantly & watching all the cars slam on their brakes.  Can you sue the .gov for whiplash?


Maybe you could, you know, pay attention while you're driving? I mean, if you can't see speed limit signs and react to them (they aren't even moving), you probably can't react to other road hazards fast enough, and you shouldn't be allowed to drive.
 
2013-09-01 02:46:42 PM  

FloydA: A cop can write you a X-ing ticket even if you're not actually X-ing.


Basically.  "Have fun wasting your time beating this in court, citizen.  And you'd better hope it doesn't come down to your word against mine."
 
2013-09-01 02:59:16 PM  

GORDON: mister aj: I think it's terrible that the government is infringing upon my right to break the law. Truly this is fascism in its most advanced stages.

Boot licker spotted.


I see statists everywhere. They don't even know they're statists...
 
2013-09-01 03:02:03 PM  
Instead of making smarter cars, why don't we make smarter drivers?

/Train the hell out of new drivers
//Bob Bondurant FTW!!!
 
2013-09-01 03:06:10 PM  

RexTalionis: This will never take off in the US. Why? Because police departments around the country depend too much on the revenue from people who speed.


As opposed to other countries where the cop just stuffs bribe money in his flashlight
 
2013-09-01 03:07:57 PM  

studs up: GORDON: mister aj: I think it's terrible that the government is infringing upon my right to break the law. Truly this is fascism in its most advanced stages.

Boot licker spotted.

I see statists everywhere. They don't even know they're statists...


They always proud of being sensible.
 
2013-09-01 03:10:58 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: My GPS already reminds me when I'm more than 12 over the limit.  It's pretty nice except when the GPS has the wrong info for road speed.  What would be really nice is if the GPS would warn me ahead of time when the limit goes from 55 to 35 just outside some little rural town because they get pissed off when I cruise through at 64 mph.


I got a ticket that very way. It was hard to say " blame the GPS as I was pulled over at the sign where it went back to 60.
 
2013-09-01 03:25:18 PM  

doglover: Ideas this bad? You deserve the consequences if you go through with it. Gimp all the cars and watch nobody drive a legal car ever again.


I note Ford vehicles already have speed governors in them. I rented a late model Focus a while back. The car was limited to 80MPH. If you approached it the car would warn you and then if you hit it it would refuse to go faster.

I can tell you if I were to purchase a vehicle the first thing I'd do is reverse engineer that CAN bus and make the computer think the car was only going 5MPH when you're doing a buck.
 
2013-09-01 03:29:38 PM  

rmdpgh: bigsteve3OOO: mister aj: I think it's terrible that the government is infringing upon my right to break the law. Truly this is fascism in its most advanced stages.

Never had to get your wife to the hospital quick to have a baby have you?

Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but I truly hope you have an EMS crew that you would call, in place of having your wife/SO have the kid on the floorboards of your car.

I would imagine if it were a true emergency, emergency vehicles would be somewhat exempt....


I was born on the floor of my fathers brand new 69 gran torino.  only new car he ever owned.  he still reminds me every time he sees me 44 years later.
 
2013-09-01 03:32:32 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: rmdpgh: bigsteve3OOO: mister aj: I think it's terrible that the government is infringing upon my right to break the law. Truly this is fascism in its most advanced stages.

Never had to get your wife to the hospital quick to have a baby have you?

Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but I truly hope you have an EMS crew that you would call, in place of having your wife/SO have the kid on the floorboards of your car.

I would imagine if it were a true emergency, emergency vehicles would be somewhat exempt....

I was born on the floor of my fathers brand new 69 gran torino.  only new car he ever owned.  he still reminds me every time he sees me 44 years later.


were there many jokes about being born same place you were conceived?

/obvious
 
2013-09-01 03:39:14 PM  

Dinki: Once they perfect self driving cars this will be pretty standard.


Once the cars are driving themselves, there won't be any speed limits. The cars will adjust their speed to road and traffic conditions. The speed on superhighways will be quite a lot faster than today.
 
2013-09-01 03:39:46 PM  
This is apparently a draft of a proposal and it will get shot down once presented.
 
2013-09-01 04:06:16 PM  
Why is this not a good thing.

Think about the wonderful chaos that could be caused by a set of radio hackers around financial and government centers.  It couldn't last too long.

\My point is throwing around technology without understanding the downsides is not always a good thing and it would be very easy to prove.

Luddites exist for a reason, and some may actually understand technology.
 
2013-09-01 04:14:57 PM  

lack of warmth: Weng: Seems to me this would be easily defeated by a piece of tape that prevents it from seeing any speed limit signs.

Unless the camera includes a basic photo cell that automatically locks breaks until it detects some light.


Tape and an led!
 
2013-09-01 04:40:08 PM  

MarkEC: Dinki: Once they perfect self driving cars this will be pretty standard.

Once the cars are driving themselves, there won't be any speed limits. The cars will adjust their speed to road and traffic conditions. The speed on superhighways will be quite a lot faster than today.


For added traction, put the cars on a rail system so as to prevent losing control or bad lane changes.  Then to save energy, make the cars bigger to haul larger groups of people even though it means the cars won't be able to take you close to your destination leaving you to walk part of it and giving you better health.  We could call this new invention trollies, trains or cable cars.  All snark aside, I really don't have a problem with the idea of our country traveling by rail more, but for some reason Americans feel very distrustful of train operators.  Mmm, there must be some reason why we feel the need to control our own travel.
 
2013-09-01 05:24:22 PM  

lack of warmth: MarkEC: Dinki: Once they perfect self driving cars this will be pretty standard.

Once the cars are driving themselves, there won't be any speed limits. The cars will adjust their speed to road and traffic conditions. The speed on superhighways will be quite a lot faster than today.

For added traction, put the cars on a rail system so as to prevent losing control or bad lane changes.  Then to save energy, make the cars bigger to haul larger groups of people even though it means the cars won't be able to take you close to your destination leaving you to walk part of it and giving you better health.  We could call this new invention trollies, trains or cable cars.  All snark aside, I really don't have a problem with the idea of our country traveling by rail more, but for some reason Americans feel very distrustful of train operators.  Mmm, there must be some reason why we feel the need to control our own travel.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=g5NyBO75YYc
 
2013-09-01 05:28:50 PM  

lack of warmth: make the cars bigger to haul larger groups of people even though it means the cars won't be able to take you close to your destination leaving you to walk part of it and giving you better health.


DIAF.
 
2013-09-01 05:30:30 PM  

Road Rash: lack of warmth: MarkEC: Dinki: Once they perfect self driving cars this will be pretty standard.

Once the cars are driving themselves, there won't be any speed limits. The cars will adjust their speed to road and traffic conditions. The speed on superhighways will be quite a lot faster than today.

For added traction, put the cars on a rail system so as to prevent losing control or bad lane changes.  Then to save energy, make the cars bigger to haul larger groups of people even though it means the cars won't be able to take you close to your destination leaving you to walk part of it and giving you better health.  We could call this new invention trollies, trains or cable cars.  All snark aside, I really don't have a problem with the idea of our country traveling by rail more, but for some reason Americans feel very distrustful of train operators.  Mmm, there must be some reason why we feel the need to control our own travel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=g5NyBO75YYc


Maybe they should install those things on trains first.
 
2013-09-01 05:36:56 PM  

Enemabag Jones: Why is this not a good thing.

Think about the wonderful chaos that could be caused by a set of radio hackers around financial and government centers.  It couldn't last too long.

\My point is throwing around technology without understanding the downsides is not always a good thing and it would be very easy to prove.

Luddites exist for a reason, and some may actually understand technology.


I wouldn't be surprised if they tried using transponder systems similar to airplanes - makes it easier to track you as well.

Why would this not be good? Consider the part of the article where they mention braking control, for starters ...

hackers - having fun/profit at your expense
exotic/sports car market - gone!
if you're running late - you're late!
uncontrolled braking in extreme weather conditions
fines/revoking driving privileges if you attempt to disable the system

the government - by design or on a whim:
tracking you - and don't think they won't design this into the system!
shutting down all vehicles in a given area, under "emergency" circumstances
forcing everyone to drive slower to conserve fuel
charging you by the mile
... of course, they will get the privilege of driving as fast as they want ...
 
2013-09-01 05:51:02 PM  
Let's see: You live in a rural area and you slice a body part and start bleeding badly. Well, I guess you're screwed when someone who is trying to help you has to drive 30 miles to the nearest hospital and their car automatically makes you drive 45 mph, despite the fact you're losing blood fast!

/ Lives in Virginia: It's 30 miles to the nearest hospital and the back roads state you can "only" drive 45 mph.
// Rescue squads are volunteer, so it would take 20 minutes just to get help to me.
/// And I'm not even deep in the boondocks.
 
2013-09-01 05:54:35 PM  

Shostie: Flint Ironstag: Marcus Aurelius: Dinki: Once they perfect self driving cars this will be pretty standard.

We don't even have self-driving trains yet, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

Last time I was on a train in Vancouver I sat right at the front, and I sure as hell wasn't driving...

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Vancouver's fully automated trains. You can literally sit right at the front. There is just a huge windscreen like a bus, with the passenger seating right up to it.
 
2013-09-01 05:55:05 PM  
Road Rash
hackers - having fun/profit at your expense
exotic/sports car market - gone!
if you're running late - you're late!
uncontrolled braking in extreme weather conditions
fines/revoking driving privileges if you attempt to disable the system
the government - by design or on a whim:
tracking you - and don't think they won't design this into the system!
shutting down all vehicles in a given area, under "emergency" circumstances
forcing everyone to drive slower to conserve fuel
charging you by the mile
... of course, they will get the privilege of driving as fast as they want ...


I think we are on the same side. My point is that as soon as government tries to get everyone to go exactly the limit through GPS signals, or other wireless options, some wireless hacker will find a way to make the speed limit 5mph in the government and financial centers in the UK. People will revolt and it will fail.

Just as soon as government tries to consolidate power through stupid means like above, the more they fail. Something like sand being tightly gripped in the fist.

The only exceptions to the above I can think of are:
People ironically pay for onstar for their safety because of commercials where they are in a ditch beside the highway at 3am. For the children.
Japanese actually have GPS controlled sports cars that can go full throttle if they know they are on racetracks.
 
2013-09-01 06:34:22 PM  

freak7: I saw this coming 20 years ago and think it's a great idea.  Can't wait for it to be used in the USA.


Please tell me you are joking.  There have been a few instances where driving faster would be the only way to get out of a bad situation.  For example, if you are next to a truck that is trying to change lanes into you and the guy behind you isn't slowing down at all (either there is no lane next to you or there is a car there as well).  Speeding up may be the only way to avoid an accident.

Or if you are going through an intersection and not speeding up results in someone clipping your rear.

Or if someone is coming up way too fast and can't brake fast enough to avoid rear ending you.

And these are just a few I can think of off the top of my head.  I can imagine that other situations might come up (I noticed one comment speaking of living in a rural area, living far from a hospital, and having the potential need to get there fast).

But you keep thinking that restricting a car's speed is a good idea.  Nothing bad could ever come of it.
 
2013-09-01 06:44:09 PM  
06Wahoo
freak7: I saw this coming 20 years ago and think it's a great idea. Can't wait for it to be used in the USA.
Please tell me you are joking. There have been a few instances where driving faster would be the only way to get out of a bad situation. For example, if you are next to a truck that is trying to change lanes into you and the guy behind you isn't slowing down at all (either there is no lane next to you or there is a car there as well). Speeding up may be the only way to avoid an accident.
Or if you are going through an intersection and not speeding up results in someone clipping your rear.
Or if someone is coming up way too fast and can't brake fast enough to avoid rear ending you.
And these are just a few I can think of off the top of my head. I can imagine that other situations might come up (I noticed one comment speaking of living in a rural area, living far from a hospital, and having the potential need to get there fast).
But you keep thinking that restricting a car's speed is a good idea. Nothing bad could ever come of it.


Maybe, maybe, when it gets to the point that cars drive themselves people will accept the trade-off, I will let the car drive me and I surf the net while it takes me there.

Until then even the less superior driver of automatics will refuse it have have car limited to one mile over the speed limit. Stick drivers will go into a full set of convulsions.

You think American love guns, take away their freedom to speed when necessary, they will freak the hell out.
 
2013-09-01 06:53:01 PM  

bingethinker: This would be okay if the speed limits were actually set by some scientific method, not because of whining NIMBYs and police departments looking for easy tickets. The limit on an identical stretch of road in this city can be anywhere from 40 to 80 k.p.h. So people routinely ignore the signs. Even grannies are 10 over the limit. If you bumped it up to what 90% of us are driving anyway, that would be a sane limit.


I've heard (probably just bullshiat, though) that they do set it to what a percentage of the people drive in conjunction wish standard safety precautions.  The problem is on the day they do the measuring they call out the grannie patrol to drive in circles in the area.

/where's my tinfoil hat?
 
2013-09-01 07:07:41 PM  

06Wahoo: freak7: I saw this coming 20 years ago and think it's a great idea.  Can't wait for it to be used in the USA.

Please tell me you are joking.  There have been a few instances where driving faster would be the only way to get out of a bad situation.  For example, if you are next to a truck that is trying to change lanes into you and the guy behind you isn't slowing down at all (either there is no lane next to you or there is a car there as well).  Speeding up may be the only way to avoid an accident.


Also, fires, tornadoes, floods, other disasters you might need to flee from. Emergency vehicle needs to get through. Animals, pedestrians, bicyclists on the road. Broken down cars. Debris. Merging and turning traffic. All those dinky side roads that ain't registered in a GPS unit. Backroads without maintenance and with potholes or ruts. I think decent drivers can do much better than any self-driving car currently made at avoiding all those random hazards.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-09-01 07:41:16 PM  
OgreMagi

In January, 2006 an article in a Massachusetts newspaper included the sentence

"Lincoln has little old ladies drive the road in question to lower the limit."

In Massachusetts the state checks the town's engineering, but sets a speed trap level limit anyway.

In California I hear they will increase enforcement before the speed study.
 
2013-09-01 07:52:44 PM  
Victoria Australia has the highest speed limit compliance in the world.  Take a look at its stats and see how increasing that has saved lives and reduced accidents.

/hint - it doesn't.
//other hint - congestion related accidents like tailgating are way up
///accidents involving people falling asleep at the wheel are now considered "medical causes" and are no longer included in the states totals.
 
2013-09-01 08:44:43 PM  
I would have no problem with this if I'd ever seen any evidence that speed limits were set in accordance with the average car's capabilities on the roads in question.

/ or if it were even remotely reasonable given the wide array of vehicles on the road
 
2013-09-01 09:09:07 PM  

RexTalionis: This will never take off in the US. Why? Because police departments around the country depend too much on the revenue from people who speed.


Oregon already did a pilot test program for GPS equipped license plates.  It was done under the guise of a use tax issue, but that won't stick for very long once they realize they can extend it to including speeding enforcement as well.

The difference being, they still get their money with this system.
 
2013-09-01 10:24:44 PM  

06Wahoo: Please tell me you are joking.  There have been a few instances where driving faster would be the only way to get out of a bad situation.  For example, if you are next to a truck that is trying to change lanes into you and the guy behind you isn't slowing down at all (either there is no lane next to you or there is a car there as well).  Speeding up may be the only way to avoid an accident.


If everybody is doing the speed limit, there's almost no chance of needing to go faster to avoid something that couldn't also be avoided by slowing.  Being able to keep vehicles from speeding in residential areas is a lot more important than the one in a million chance that you would have a legitimate reason for breaking the speed limit.
 
2013-09-02 01:59:34 AM  
How will GPS devices work when they are covered with metal foil and can't see the sky?  An old analog TV will have a tuner that will lock into Ch 37 which is happens be half the frequency needed to do the job for an easy to make device.  Of course that device will also light up many of the world's radio telescopes who might be able to pin point it down to a fraction of an inch but it would work until someone got there and stopped it.
 
2013-09-02 02:44:32 AM  

RexTalionis: This will never take off in the US. Why? Because police departments around the country depend too much on the revenue from people who speed.


Yep- Its never been about safety in the US.  I moved to Norway where a normal speeding ticket is about $800 (equivalent).  There isn't much speeding, and not much need for enforcement.... and not much revenue.  Same approach to DUI.  These are not revenue generators with tolerable fines.

There has been some talk of using black boxes in vehicles, and giving insurance companies access to the data in exchange for lower rates.  The idea is they can audit that data to see how safe a driver we all are--- and it would be voluntary- run by the private sector.
 
2013-09-02 03:42:40 AM  

DON.MAC: How will GPS devices work when they are covered with metal foil and can't see the sky?  An old analog TV will have a tuner that will lock into Ch 37 which is happens be half the frequency needed to do the job for an easy to make device.  Of course that device will also light up many of the world's radio telescopes who might be able to pin point it down to a fraction of an inch but it would work until someone got there and stopped it.


There are extremely easy ways to make a GPS jammer.  If you only want it to be local, it's super easy.

The problem comes when you go in for your new registration, and they read your GPS unit, and find out it doesn't work correctly.  You are going to be in for a world of trouble.
 
2013-09-02 04:01:11 AM  

kd1s: doglover: Ideas this bad? You deserve the consequences if you go through with it. Gimp all the cars and watch nobody drive a legal car ever again.

I note Ford vehicles already have speed governors in them. I rented a late model Focus a while back. The car was limited to 80MPH. If you approached it the car would warn you and then if you hit it it would refuse to go faster.

I can tell you if I were to purchase a vehicle the first thing I'd do is reverse engineer that CAN bus and make the computer think the car was only going 5MPH when you're doing a buck.


I don't know what the hell you're talking about. My wife has a 2012 Focus, and I've had it up over 115mph. It's not governed.
 
2013-09-02 06:35:53 AM  
This does say a lot about the big brother mentality of the leftists in Brussels.  However, the Germans are the paymasters of the EU and they won't be putting up with anyone messing with their high-speed fetish.  Won't happen.
 
2013-09-02 07:11:43 AM  

Z-clipped: kd1s: doglover: Ideas this bad? You deserve the consequences if you go through with it. Gimp all the cars and watch nobody drive a legal car ever again.

I note Ford vehicles already have speed governors in them. I rented a late model Focus a while back. The car was limited to 80MPH. If you approached it the car would warn you and then if you hit it it would refuse to go faster.

I can tell you if I were to purchase a vehicle the first thing I'd do is reverse engineer that CAN bus and make the computer think the car was only going 5MPH when you're doing a buck.

I don't know what the hell you're talking about. My wife has a 2012 Focus, and I've had it up over 115mph. It's not governed.


I have a feeling that the key word in his comment was 'rented'.  It wouldn't surprise me too much to find out that rental car companies arrange with the manufacturer to have governors installed before delivery.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-09-02 10:27:57 AM  
My wife has a 2012 Focus, and I've had it up over 115mph. It's not governed.

Ford offers a programmable speed governor aimed at parents who want to keep their children slow. It also limits radio volume.
 
2013-09-02 12:27:19 PM  

Recoil Therapy: Z-clipped: kd1s: doglover: Ideas this bad? You deserve the consequences if you go through with it. Gimp all the cars and watch nobody drive a legal car ever again.

I note Ford vehicles already have speed governors in them. I rented a late model Focus a while back. The car was limited to 80MPH. If you approached it the car would warn you and then if you hit it it would refuse to go faster.

I can tell you if I were to purchase a vehicle the first thing I'd do is reverse engineer that CAN bus and make the computer think the car was only going 5MPH when you're doing a buck.

I don't know what the hell you're talking about. My wife has a 2012 Focus, and I've had it up over 115mph. It's not governed.

I have a feeling that the key word in his comment was 'rented'.  It wouldn't surprise me too much to find out that rental car companies arrange with the manufacturer to have governors installed before delivery.


My wife's Focus actually WAS a rental before she bought it. Of course, now that I think about it, governing could be done with just a special software version that could be easily changed, so who knows?

But they certainly aren't shipped to buyers that way or anything.
 
2013-09-02 01:11:58 PM  

ZAZ: My wife has a 2012 Focus, and I've had it up over 115mph. It's not governed.

Ford offers a programmable speed governor aimed at parents who want to keep their children slow. It also limits radio volume.


Ahh, missed this. There it is.
 
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