Gergesa: cause I know Jesus is a healer, so I know he's covered us with the blood," Mwangi says.I think she may be a worshiper of Khorne.
Peki: Darwin doesn't always reward the smartest, just the most successful at breeding.
bigsteve3OOO: Raw_fishFood: bigsteve3OOO: If vaccines are effective then a few people not getting them should have zero effect on the rest of the vaccinated population.Herd immunity works by having everybody who can get vaccinated, well, get vaccinated. By greatly reducing the people who can get sick this protects the people who cannot get vaccinated for legitimate reasons, like being too young or weak immune systems.When people don't get vaccinated despite not having any medical reason not to do so it not only makes the people who can't get vaccinated more vulnerable but gives the disease a chance to mutate and infect people who are only vaccinated against the original strain.Seems like praying to your god of science has not helped you. Perhaps a different god would.
bigsteve3OOO: MithrandirBooga: bigsteve3OOO: If vaccines are effective then a few people not getting them should have zero effect on the rest of the vaccinated population.WRONG.FTFA:"Typically, it's the fear that the combination measles-mumps-rubella, or MMR vaccine may have in some way contributed to the epidemic of autism - which has clearly been shown not to be true in study after study," Offit says. He says those who chose to skip vaccines cause serious ripple effects.There are hundreds of thousands of people in the United States who can't get vaccinated because they're undergoing medical treatment or are too young, for example.But people who omit vaccinations for whatever reason should only be exposed to vaccinated people therefore no risk.
gja: Not all of us who identify as Christian are so universally idiotic.
jayphat: I'd like to point out the Anthrax vaccine is not nearly as effective as you would believe. If memory serves correct from when both my brothers got vaccinated in the Army, you still have a 6 in 7 chance of getting Anthrax.
Don't Troll Me Bro!: Peki: ....Dude, you're arguing with someone who's handle is "derp."
DoctorWhat: I'm sad that no one has photoshopped the picture in TFA to say "Measle Mountain Church".
BadJazz: Saul T. Balzac: Saul T. Balzac:THE DMV SKIPPED NUMBER 666! It went straight from 664 665 to 667.*facepalm*Even the State of Georgia believes there's something wrong with the number 666!FTFMI saw a 666 XXX Oregon license plate a few days ago. Made me smile.
Guest: bingo the psych-o: Dear Christians:Immunization prevents more diseases than prayer ever will. Insulin treats more diabetes than prayer ever will. Chemotherapy has cured more cancers than prayer ever will.Please, please, please educate yourselves for the sake of your own children.Dear Christians:God gave humans developedthe intelligence to discover immunizations. God gave humans hadthe intelligence to discover insulin and God gave humans also hadthe intelligence to discover Chemotherapy. Please start using them your intelligence as you are making God us reasonable and logical folks very sad that you are ignoranting all the good he has placed in your hands.
pissnmoan: The truth and a few facts.A rubella (measles) infection can cause miscarriage, preterm birth, or stillbirth, as well as a variety of birth defects, but it depends on how far along you are when you contract the virus. The risks are highest during the early stages of a baby's development and they go down as pregnancy progresses.If you get rubella during the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, there's a high chance (up to 85 percent) that your baby will develop CRS (Congenital Rubella Syndrome). The rate of CRS for a baby whose mother is infected between 13 and 16 weeks is about 54 percent, and the rate continues to go down sharply from there. After 20 weeks there's very little risk that the infection will cause a birth defect.There's a wide range of very serious problems associated with CRS, most commonly deafness, eye defects (which may lead to blindness), heart malformations, and neurologic problems, such as mental retardation. Other defects may also be evident at birth, or problems may surface later in infancy and childhood.Early in my professional training (1970's), I spent a couple of months in a care unit for children with CRS. It was horrible, a living nightmare. Just wait until some of these unvaccinated women start hitting reproductive age and then contracting rubella early in their pregnancies. I suppose there will again be care units for children with CRS because their stupid mothers weren't vaccinated.
J. Frank Parnell: Promised myself i wouldn't post in another pro-vaccination troll thread./dammit
Coming on a Bicycle: You don't die from Measles. Or well, hardly anyone dies from Measles. I mean, my kids are vaccinated as well, but certain things in modern day medicine are simply luxury, and that's not bad. But at least be so fair as to acknowledge that, and let's not pretend some parents are complicit in causing the Second Plague here.
mhuckins: Dinki: So let's get this straight-Parents refuse vaccinations for their kid, kid doesn't get sick- "See, God protects our children!"Parents refuse vaccinations for their kid, kid gets sick- "This is Gods will!"Parents get vaccinations for their kid, kid doesn't get sick- "This is Gods will!"Parents get vaccinations for their kid, kid gets sick - "It's that evil science!"Don't forget parents refuse vaccinations for their kid, kid gets sick, infects someone allergic to the vaccination- "oops".I don't want to find out the hard way that I am not immune to measles because some dickhead chose not to vaccinate their kids. The odds of a serious allergic reaction are so small there is no reason not to inoculate your kids.
SilentStrider: If I weren't agnostic i'd be praying that this guy gets struck down by lightning.
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: When a liberal celebrity does it: "Ooh lets examine the science, it's good to question big Pharma!"When a pastor does it: "Haha, dumb hillbillies, they dont bieve in science and modern medicine, what a bunch of rubes!"
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'm being persecuted? In what way?
Ilmarinen: Coming on a Bicycle: Lachwen: Mentat: Coming on a Bicycle: You don't die from Measles. Or well, hardly anyone dies from Measles. I mean, my kids are vaccinated as well, but certain things in modern day medicine are simply luxury, and that's not bad. But at least be so fair as to acknowledge that, and let's not pretend some parents are complicit in causing the Second Plague here.You know measles isn't the only disease out there, right? You know people still get bubonic plague, right?And let's not forget that measles may be an uncomfortable but ultimately non-serious disease for most children, if you contract it as an adult you run a MUCH higher risk of serious, permanent damage, like blindness and sterility.Sure. But that's more of a risk you run in an almost-fully-vaccinated society, than in a hardly-vaccinated-at-all society. Because in the latter environment, you would have had it as a child. So I would contend that you're arguing against yourself here.Vaccinated people HAVE had it as a child.
limeyfellow: Coming on a Bicycle: You don't die from Measles. Or well, hardly anyone dies from Measles. I mean, my kids are vaccinated as well, but certain things in modern day medicine are simply luxury, and that's not bad. But at least be so fair as to acknowledge that, and let's not pretend some parents are complicit in causing the Second Plague here.That is because we have vaccines. Before then it had a 5% death rate. There was a 33% rate of complications including pneumonia, very deadly before antibiotics, hearing loss, and seizures.
Tigger: Benevolent Misanthrope: Earlier this week crowds flooded in for regular services. Rose Mwangi had her Bible in hand, and said she's not worried. "Because I know Jesus is a healer, so I know he's covered us with the blood," Mwangi says. "There's no place for fear.""The concerns we have had are primarily with very young children who have family history of autism and with bundling too many immunizations at one time," she [the pastor] said. "You don't take the word of the guy that's trying to give the shot about what's good and what isn't," he [pastor's father, noted nutbag Kenneth Copland] said.And Christians wonder why the rest of us think of them as a bunch of servile f*ckwits.Ideas as stupid as these eventually eliminate the individuals who support them. It just takes too farking long.
vpb: Besides, it's not too hard to figure out that someone with a fatal genetic flaw who is able to survive and breed because of modern medicine
lokis_mentor: It's a church in Texas. Someone call Janet Reno. She'll fix it.
bigsteve3OOO: If vaccines are effective then a few people not getting them should have zero effect on the rest of the vaccinated population.
gilgigamesh: "So I'm going to tell you what the facts are, and the facts are the facts, but then we know the truth. That always overcomes facts," she has said.I love, love, love that that is an actual quote.You just can't write self-parody that unconsciously witty, You just can't.
vpb: There actually is a theory called dysgenics that proposes that people are becoming less healthy because harmful mutations don't die out because of modern medicine.
vpb: Tigger: Ideas as stupid as these eventually eliminate the individuals who support them. It just takes too farking long.There is no natural selection anymore. Stupidity has become survivable because modern society will provide food and medical treatment.
Tigger: Ideas as stupid as these eventually eliminate the individuals who support them. It just takes too farking long.
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