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(NPR)   Pastor preaching against vaccinations at megachurch, which is now the site of a measles outbreak: "So I'm going to tell you what the facts are and the facts are the facts but then we know the truth, that always overcomes facts"   (npr.org) divider line 354
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2013-09-01 10:21:22 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-01 11:13:46 AM
Earlier this week crowds flooded in for regular services. Rose Mwangi had her Bible in hand, and said she's not worried.
 

"Because I know Jesus is a healer, so I know he's covered us with the blood," Mwangi says. "There's no place for fear."

"The concerns we have had are primarily with very young children who have family history of autism and with bundling too many immunizations at one time," she
[the pastor] said.
 

"You don't take the word of the guy that's trying to give the shot about what's good and what isn't," he [pastor's father, noted nutbag Kenneth Copland] said.

And Christians wonder why the rest of us think of them as a bunch of servile f*ckwits.
 
2013-09-01 11:24:53 AM
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2013-09-01 11:27:14 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Earlier this week crowds flooded in for regular services. Rose Mwangi had her Bible in hand, and said she's not worried.
 

"Because I know Jesus is a healer, so I know he's covered us with the blood," Mwangi says. "There's no place for fear."

"The concerns we have had are primarily with very young children who have family history of autism and with bundling too many immunizations at one time," she [the pastor] said.
 

"You don't take the word of the guy that's trying to give the shot about what's good and what isn't," he [pastor's father, noted nutbag Kenneth Copland] said.

And Christians wonder why the rest of us think of them as a bunch of servile f*ckwits.


Ideas as stupid as these eventually eliminate the individuals who support them. It just takes too farking long.
 
2013-09-01 11:27:24 AM
Wasn't St. Luke a doctor?
 
2013-09-01 11:28:33 AM
Is that anything like Karl Rove's secret math?
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2013-09-01 11:28:47 AM
Congrats to Copeland for being both a religious quack and a medical quack. Dipshart.
 
2013-09-01 11:29:44 AM
So let's get this straight-

Parents refuse vaccinations for their kid, kid doesn't get sick- "See, God protects our children!"

Parents refuse vaccinations for their kid, kid gets sick- "This is Gods will!"

Parents get vaccinations for their kid, kid doesn't get sick- "This is Gods will!"

Parents get vaccinations for their kid, kid gets sick - "It's that evil science!"
 
2013-09-01 11:37:46 AM

Tigger: Benevolent Misanthrope: Earlier this week crowds flooded in for regular services. Rose Mwangi had her Bible in hand, and said she's not worried.
 

"Because I know Jesus is a healer, so I know he's covered us with the blood," Mwangi says. "There's no place for fear."

"The concerns we have had are primarily with very young children who have family history of autism and with bundling too many immunizations at one time," she [the pastor] said.
 

"You don't take the word of the guy that's trying to give the shot about what's good and what isn't," he [pastor's father, noted nutbag Kenneth Copland] said.

And Christians wonder why the rest of us think of them as a bunch of servile f*ckwits.

Ideas as stupid as these eventually eliminate the individuals who support them. It just takes too farking long.


And they breed in the meantime. Darwin doesn't always reward the smartest, just the most successful at breeding.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-01 11:38:15 AM

Tigger: Ideas as stupid as these eventually eliminate the individuals who support them. It just takes too farking long.


There is no natural selection anymore.  Stupidity has become survivable because modern society will provide food and medical treatment.
 
2013-09-01 11:42:04 AM

Peki: Tigger: Benevolent Misanthrope: Earlier this week crowds flooded in for regular services. Rose Mwangi had her Bible in hand, and said she's not worried.
 

"Because I know Jesus is a healer, so I know he's covered us with the blood," Mwangi says. "There's no place for fear."

"The concerns we have had are primarily with very young children who have family history of autism and with bundling too many immunizations at one time," she [the pastor] said.
 

"You don't take the word of the guy that's trying to give the shot about what's good and what isn't," he [pastor's father, noted nutbag Kenneth Copland] said.

And Christians wonder why the rest of us think of them as a bunch of servile f*ckwits.

Ideas as stupid as these eventually eliminate the individuals who support them. It just takes too farking long.

And they breed in the meantime. Darwin doesn't always reward the smartest, just the most successful at breeding.


It's not a simple as 'the less fit can now survive'. We eventually get rid of the idiots. It just takes a really long time. Took a thousand years to get these people out of government in Europe but they are now essentially relegated to fringe loony positions. Hopefully that takes less time in the US.
 
2013-09-01 11:43:20 AM

Peki: Darwin doesn't always reward the smartest, just the most successful at breeding.


This.  Just ask Clevon

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2013-09-01 11:52:13 AM

vpb: There is no natural selection anymore. Stupidity has become survivable because modern society will provide food and medical treatment.


Which proves that you don't understand natural selection.
 
2013-09-01 11:57:24 AM
Saw this biatch on the morning news last week...

Scared the crap out of my daughter when I started screaming at the screen.
 
2013-09-01 11:58:28 AM

vpb: Tigger: Ideas as stupid as these eventually eliminate the individuals who support them. It just takes too farking long.

There is no natural selection anymore.  Stupidity has become survivable because modern society will provide food and medical treatment.


It's more complex than that.

The rate of human evolution actually appears to be accelerating. Despite the well-argued claims of a cult comedy's opening credits.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-01 11:58:50 AM
There actually is a theory called dysgenics that proposes that people are becoming less healthy because harmful mutations don't die out because of modern medicine.
 
2013-09-01 12:00:22 PM
I have no problem at all with this.  Provide that all of them are quarantined in their church, under armed guard, and nobody can leave unless they provide evidence of a vaccination or a positive antibody titer two weeks earlier.  You don't get to fark with herd immunity, morons.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-01 12:04:17 PM

Tigger: The rate of human evolution actually appears to be accelerating. Despite the well-argued claims of a cult comedy's opening credits.


No, It's actual biology, despite the fact that some guy used the idea to make a movie.

Besides, it's not too hard to figure out that someone with a fatal genetic flaw who is able to survive and breed because of modern medicine will pass on his genetic condition instead of becoming a genetic dead end.
 
2013-09-01 12:06:28 PM

vpb: There is no natural selection anymore. Stupidity has become survivable because modern society will provide food and medical treatment.


notsureifserious.jpg
 
2013-09-01 12:12:31 PM

vpb: Tigger: The rate of human evolution actually appears to be accelerating. Despite the well-argued claims of a cult comedy's opening credits.

No, It's actual biology, despite the fact that some guy used the idea to make a movie.

Besides, it's not too hard to figure out that someone with a fatal genetic flaw who is able to survive and breed because of modern medicine will pass on his genetic condition instead of becoming a genetic dead end.


Yes but it's not actually happening. Because it is about a million times more complex than a) wikipedia article b) 'it's not too hard to figure out'.

If you're actually interested this article provides a very superficial overview of the complex interplay between genetic cultural and environmental interplay that is positively affecting the rate of human evolution.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=culture-speeds-up-h um an-evolution

We've known for years that population level genetic variations cannot be sufficiently explained by a simple 'fittest phenotype survives" approach: Kin selection, reciprocal altruism and cooperation all have an impact, and that's just for starters.
 
2013-09-01 12:12:58 PM
Are Jenny McCarthy and Rob Schneider among their faithful congregation?
 
2013-09-01 12:26:06 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Earlier this week crowds flooded in for regular services. Rose Mwangi had her Bible in hand, and said she's not worried.
 

"Because I know Jesus is a healer, so I know he's covered us with the blood," Mwangi says. "There's no place for fear."

"The concerns we have had are primarily with very young children who have family history of autism and with bundling too many immunizations at one time," she [the pastor] said.
 

"You don't take the word of the guy that's trying to give the shot about what's good and what isn't," he [pastor's father, noted nutbag Kenneth Copland] said.

And Christians wonder why the rest of us think of them as a bunch of servile f*ckwits.


Funny how the take the word of the Pastor, though.
 
2013-09-01 12:30:22 PM

Dinki: So let's get this straight-

Parents refuse vaccinations for their kid, kid doesn't get sick- "See, God protects our children!"

Parents refuse vaccinations for their kid, kid gets sick- "This is Gods will!"

Parents get vaccinations for their kid, kid doesn't get sick- "This is Gods will!"

Parents get vaccinations for their kid, kid gets sick - "It's that evil science!"


Don't forget parents refuse vaccinations for their kid, kid gets sick, infects someone allergic to the vaccination- "oops".

I don't want to find out the hard way that I am not immune to measles because some dickhead chose not to vaccinate their kids. The odds of a serious allergic reaction are so small there is no reason not to inoculate your kids.
 
2013-09-01 12:39:19 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: "You don't take the word of the guy that's trying to give the shot about what's good and what isn't," he [pastor's father, noted nutbag Kenneth Copland] said.


You'd think a prosperity theologian would want his suckers - er, congregants - to stay healthy.  It's hard to convince corpses that Jesus loves rich people most of all, and that the first step to becoming rich is robust tithing.

Of course, if you can get them to include the Church in their wills...ka-ching!!  I mean, hallelujah!!
 
2013-09-01 12:44:07 PM

vpb: Tigger: The rate of human evolution actually appears to be accelerating. Despite the well-argued claims of a cult comedy's opening credits.

No, It's actual biology, despite the fact that some guy used the idea to make a movie.

Besides, it's not too hard to figure out that someone with a fatal genetic flaw who is able to survive and breed because of modern medicine will pass on his genetic condition instead of becoming a genetic dead end.


You're arguing two completely separate things.  The rate of evolution in the human population has increased, but technology and civilization has also changed the evolutionary parameters under which selection and genetic drift operate.  Natural selection is most definitely still occurring and would actually be predicted to get stronger as the various world populations increasingly intermingle.
 
2013-09-01 12:54:52 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Benevolent Misanthrope: "You don't take the word of the guy that's trying to give the shot about what's good and what isn't," he [pastor's father, noted nutbag Kenneth Copland] said.

You'd think a prosperity theologian would want his suckers - er, congregants - to stay healthy.  It's hard to convince corpses that Jesus loves rich people most of all, and that the first step to becoming rich is robust tithing.

Of course, if you can get them to include the Church in their wills...ka-ching!!  I mean, hallelujah!!


You just hit the nail on the head.  My maternal grandparents were manipulated by an unscrupulous pastor into that very thing.  It's pro forma in many churches (every one I've ever seen, actually) to play upon people's fear of death, remind them of their sins, and convince them that their god will be pleased with them in the afterlife if they prove their love for him in the here and now by signing their estate over to the church.

Buncha farking parasites.
 
2013-09-01 12:55:31 PM
If I weren't agnostic i'd be praying that this guy gets struck down by lightning.
 
2013-09-01 01:01:15 PM
"So I'm going to tell you what the facts are, and the facts are the facts, but then we know the truth. That always overcomes facts," she has said.

I love, love, love that that is an actual quote.

You just can't write self-parody that unconsciously witty, You just can't.
 
2013-09-01 01:02:21 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Lionel Mandrake: Benevolent Misanthrope: "You don't take the word of the guy that's trying to give the shot about what's good and what isn't," he [pastor's father, noted nutbag Kenneth Copland] said.

You'd think a prosperity theologian would want his suckers - er, congregants - to stay healthy.  It's hard to convince corpses that Jesus loves rich people most of all, and that the first step to becoming rich is robust tithing.

Of course, if you can get them to include the Church in their wills...ka-ching!!  I mean, hallelujah!!

You just hit the nail on the head.  My maternal grandparents were manipulated by an unscrupulous pastor into that very thing.  It's pro forma in many churches (every one I've ever seen, actually) to play upon people's fear of death, remind them of their sins, and convince them that their god will be pleased with them in the afterlife if they prove their love for him in the here and now by signing their estate over to the church.

Buncha farking parasites.


My grandparents paid their 10% before taxes/retirement funds then 10% again as it came out. I think the church even asked for 10% of the life insurance payouts after grandpa died. Mormons are serious about their tithes.
 
2013-09-01 01:07:38 PM
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2013-09-01 01:09:32 PM
Quarantine them and let it burn itself out.
 
2013-09-01 01:12:35 PM
Promised myself i wouldn't post in another pro-vaccination troll thread.

/dammit
 
2013-09-01 01:12:50 PM

vpb: There actually is a theory called dysgenics that proposes that people are becoming less healthy because harmful mutations don't die out because of modern medicine.


A trip to a suburban mall will validate large chunks of this theory once one has observed the large chunks waddling to the checkouts.
 
2013-09-01 01:15:32 PM
You don't die from Measles. Or well, hardly anyone dies from Measles. I mean, my kids are vaccinated as well, but certain things in modern day medicine are simply luxury, and that's not bad. But at least be so fair as to acknowledge that, and let's not pretend some parents are complicit in causing the Second Plague here.
 
2013-09-01 01:15:35 PM

gilgigamesh: "So I'm going to tell you what the facts are, and the facts are the facts, but then we know the truth. That always overcomes facts," she has said.

I love, love, love that that is an actual quote.

You just can't write self-parody that unconsciously witty, You just can't.


Landover Baptist has been overtaken by a reality more parodic than they could ever been.

Also, I have to say that more dead and crippled fundies is an answered prayer...if you assume prayers are answered. Get on the escalator to Jeebus, godbots...he's "waiting".
 
2013-09-01 01:15:41 PM
"Because I know Jesus is a healer, so I know he's covered us with the blood," Mwangi says. "There's no place for fear."

And if she were to contract measles, that would just be God testing her faith and giving her an opportunity to get closer to Him.
 
2013-09-01 01:16:32 PM

vpb: There actually is a theory called dysgenics that proposes that people are becoming less healthy because harmful mutations don't die out because of modern medicine.


To say that a mutation is harmful is to make a value judgement, since even some "harmful" mutations impart a benefit. Sickle-cell carriers, for example, are somewhat resistant to malaria.
 
2013-09-01 01:18:28 PM
Can we try this?  Send a guy in a hazmat suit to the church and give away t-shirts covered in small pox that reads "Jesus saves!"..

If it doesn't wipe out the church, then the t-shirts are right.  If it does, I guess God was angry with them for some reason.  Possibly because of the gays.
 
2013-09-01 01:18:41 PM
Enjoy God's plan.
 
2013-09-01 01:19:17 PM

trainershark: vpb: There actually is a theory called dysgenics that proposes that people are becoming less healthy because harmful mutations don't die out because of modern medicine.

To say that a mutation is harmful is to make a value judgement, since even some "harmful" mutations impart a benefit. Sickle-cell carriers, for example, are somewhat resistant to malaria.


I'll stick to Gin and Tonic thanks.
 
2013-09-01 01:19:43 PM
Is that eagle on their banner giving me the finger?
 
2013-09-01 01:19:44 PM
If vaccines are effective then a few people not getting them should have zero effect on the rest of the vaccinated population.
 
2013-09-01 01:20:52 PM
I know Jesus never mentions vaccinations in the gospels. And I'm pretty sure the Super-duper megaJesus 2.0 that Paul writes about doesn't either. Those versions also don't mention guns and SUVs, but I don't see Christians letting go of them either. My only conclusion is that the baptists think the only social and population control should be done by them. It's like tying my dog up to a fire hydrant, made of bacon, next to a busy highway. It'll be all happiness, but will still all end in tears.
 
2013-09-01 01:22:00 PM
That's a very strong denial of reality. Think they'd wake up if one if their kids died from something preventable, or just say "God's will." Over and over again to the parents grieving for their dead child?
 
2013-09-01 01:22:21 PM

jayhawk88: "Because I know Jesus is a healer, so I know he's covered us with the blood," Mwangi says. "There's no place for fear."

And if she were to contract measles, that would just be God testing her faith and giving her an opportunity to get closer to Him.


How did our species get to the point it has with all these fatalist farks around?
 
2013-09-01 01:23:10 PM

Dinki: So let's get this straight-

Parents refuse vaccinations for their kid, kid doesn't get sick- "See, God protects our children!"

Parents refuse vaccinations for their kid, kid gets sick- "This is Gods will!"

Parents get vaccinations for their kid, kid doesn't get sick- "This is Gods will!"

Parents get vaccinations for their kid, kid gets sick - "It's that evil science!"


Something good happens: "This was the work of God"

Something bad happens: "The Lord works in mysterious ways"
 
2013-09-01 01:24:31 PM

jayhawk88: "Because I know Jesus is a healer, so I know he's covered us with the blood," Mwangi says. "There's no place for fear."

And if she were to contract measles, that would just be God testing her faith and giving her an opportunity to get closer to Him.


Read the Book of Job sometime.  Her god is a real prick that way.
 
2013-09-01 01:25:03 PM

vpb: There actually is a theory called dysgenics that proposes that people are becoming less healthy because harmful mutations don't die out because of modern medicine.


This.

Hell, just look at how many people have horrible eyesight today.

150-200 years ago, I probably wouldn't have lived past childhood, or if I did, I would have been labeled a moron or something because I can't see six inches in front of my face.

/happy little cyborg
 
2013-09-01 01:25:24 PM
but Pearsons released a statement after the outbreak saying she isn't anti-vaccine. But Pearsons added that she still has some reservations about vaccines. "The concerns we have had are primarily with very young children who have family history of autism and with bundling too many immunizations at one time," she said.

 . . . . citing the research of world famous immunologist, Dr Jenny McCarthy.
 
2013-09-01 01:25:43 PM

Foxxinnia: jayhawk88: "Because I know Jesus is a healer, so I know he's covered us with the blood," Mwangi says. "There's no place for fear."

And if she were to contract measles, that would just be God testing her faith and giving her an opportunity to get closer to Him.

How did our species get to the point it has with all these fatalist farks around?


Rampant overbreeding. The death of a 40 year old who has pumped out 10 crotchfruit is irrelevant if only three of them make it to 40 themselves and pump out three kids each. The net gain is significant, and Heaven gets a new tranche of harpists...or whatever those dummies are supposed to do post-discorporation.
 
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