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(BBC)   Thanks for farking up the Middle East in the name of capitalism, America   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 188
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2013-09-01 09:09:11 AM
Blah, blah, blah...
 
2013-09-01 09:11:19 AM
Sure, it was the US. Not Britain and France carving up a tribal area into kingdoms for the sole purpose of repression.
 
2013-09-01 09:11:54 AM
We're also busy farking up America in the name of capitalism, so..call it...even?
 
2013-09-01 09:13:04 AM
Although true I think Russia needs to take just as much responsibility for playing nation games in the Middle East. And Europe for Israel and other farktarded divisions of land. And the people of the Middle East for supporting assholes for generations.

So yeah America has had terrible policy in the Middle East for decades but we are far from the only actor.
 
2013-09-01 09:13:12 AM
And Britain. And Russia. And China. And Mongols. And Rome.

Face it, as the cross roads of the world, they have always attracted unwanted attention since people learned to walk
 
2013-09-01 09:14:14 AM

Outrageous Muff: Sure, it was the US. Not Britain and France carving up a tribal area into kingdoms for the sole purpose of repression colonial exploitation.

 
2013-09-01 09:14:22 AM
Team America really needs a sequel.  Plenty of new material to work with at this point.
 
2013-09-01 09:14:25 AM
I got mine so fark you.
 
2013-09-01 09:15:05 AM

TheMysticS: We're also busy farking up America in the name of capitalism corporatism, so..call it...even?


Just my $.02.
 
2013-09-01 09:20:00 AM
I agree with the article commentor that it's just like the history of hip hop. I say we send Dennis Rodman, and hologram Tupac to the table to straighten out this situation.
 
2013-09-01 09:20:23 AM
nocompulsion.com

Hitler radicalized the middle-east....
 
2013-09-01 09:20:56 AM
tl;dr

tatsuma, please summarize this for us.
 
2013-09-01 09:22:25 AM

Turfshoe: Team America really needs a sequel

squirrel Plenty of new material to work with at this point.

Farkify'd that for you.
 
2013-09-01 09:35:27 AM
America existed since the beginning of time?
 
2013-09-01 09:39:51 AM

phenn: TheMysticS: We're also busy farking up America in the name of capitalism corporatism, so..call it...even?

Just my $.02.


Ok. I accept that substitution.
 
2013-09-01 09:43:04 AM

utah dude: tl;dr

tatsuma, please summarize this for us.


I believe I can help:

CIA: "Hey, you know what will make these people truly democratic?  Brutal dictatorship!"

Arabs: "Enough with these brutal CIA dictators!  We want brutal dictators of our own!"

*nonstop bloodshed leading to natural selection of the old dictatorial crop like Saddam, set to Yakety Sax*

Deane Hinton: "Called it.  Morons."
 
2013-09-01 09:43:13 AM

NeverDrunk23: America existed since the beginning of time?


Oh nonono, don't you know? Everything that is even remotely wrong with the world today is entirely and solely the fault of the US and absolutely no one else.
 
2013-09-01 09:43:39 AM
Let me paraphrase: WAAAH THE FRENCH COLONIAL REGIME WAS UTOPIA! WHYYYY UUUU LI3K ISRAEL!?
 
2013-09-01 09:47:17 AM
Ever wonder why a constitutional republic is so intent on spreading democracy to the rest of the world?

It is much more cost effective to manipulate a voting populace than an insular governing body.
 
2013-09-01 09:49:39 AM
In America's defense the middle east was farked up long before it got there.
 
2013-09-01 09:51:27 AM

Outrageous Muff: Sure, it was the US. Not Britain and France carving up a tribal area into kingdoms for the sole purpose of repression.


Yeah, this. Just because we're currently the big dog doesn't make us entirety responsible for the mess that is the Middle East - or the Opium Wars, or the Crusades, ect.

Of course, we've got our own home grown genocide in our past, so it's not like our hands are bloodless
 
2013-09-01 09:51:40 AM
Well, I'm sure that this time around US intervention will go exactly as planned.
 
2013-09-01 09:52:42 AM
My family has deep historical ties and roots to ancestors that were on the front lines of the Crusades.  If they could, they'd be asking why Islamic influences ever got to a point where they had WMDs and a whole continent to themselves.

My ancestors:  "let me get this straight.. you spent the entire 20th century fighting eachother while THEY organized, militarized, and accumulated weapons/soldiers?"
 
2013-09-01 09:53:16 AM
Anytime.
 
2013-09-01 09:54:39 AM
How typical of the Brits to try and switch the blame to America.
 
2013-09-01 09:54:45 AM

odinsposse: Although true I think Russia needs to take just as much responsibility for playing nation games in the Middle East. And Europe for Israel and other farktarded divisions of land. And the people of the Middle East for supporting assholes for generations.

So yeah America has had terrible policy in the Middle East for decades but we are far from the only actor.


Wrong.

They hate us for our freedoms.
 
2013-09-01 09:55:10 AM
Didn't BP become one of the main companies to get a cut of Iraq's post-war oil interests?

Sorry, I have a hard time having the country that brought us the East India Trading Company and oppressed South Africa in the name of mining Interests criticizing another country for being evil capitalists.
 
2013-09-01 09:57:20 AM
ferretman: [nocompulsion.com image 460x344]

Hitler Muhammad radicalized the middle-east....

pbuh, indeed...
 
2013-09-01 09:59:17 AM

stoli n coke: Didn't BP become one of the main companies to get a cut of Iraq's post-war oil interests?


BP is something like 50% American owned and hasn't been 'British Petroleum' for over a decade due to merging with American oil companies.
 
2013-09-01 10:04:45 AM
After World War I, British aristo-technocrats sat down and snapped rulers down on maps of the middle east and drew lines as borders.

See how well that worked out?
 
2013-09-01 10:06:45 AM
Far bringing the butthurt when USA is called out. Sure, other nations have also interfered, but if you rtfa, you'd see how it isn't about how the middle east has been screwed up solely by the USA, just that it can be directly linked to Assad.
 
2013-09-01 10:07:08 AM
In 1968 a CIA agent called Miles Copeland wrote a book called 'The Game of Nations' that revealed what went on in 1947

Copeland went on to write A Clash of Presidents, A Storm of Guns, A Feast for Chickenhawks, and A Dance with Dragoons. Fans eagerly await the final two books of the series, which is set to be completed by 2150.
 
2013-09-01 10:10:32 AM
See, there was this thing called the Cold War. Blaming the US for that and its sh*tty legacy is just as idiotic as, for example, blaming "the baby boomers" for all of our problems, and has the same kind of appeal: scapegoating "the other".
 
2013-09-01 10:12:02 AM

oryx: How typical of the Brits to try and switch the blame to America.



They're becoming a majority muslim country.  (shrug)  That vote 'against war' was the first time it's gone that way in about 150 years.  France will probably do the same thing... and for the same reason.  Neither one wants more muslim rioting, because it keeps getting worse each time it happens.

They'll happily blame anyone but themselves for the insanity of islam, or for what the UK has done to muslims in the past.
 
2013-09-01 10:14:39 AM
That's kind of our thing.  We're pretty good at it.
 
2013-09-01 10:20:46 AM

Wooly Bully: See, there was this thing called the Cold War. Blaming the US for that and its sh*tty legacy is just as idiotic as, for example, blaming "the baby boomers" for all of our problems, and has the same kind of appeal: scapegoating "the other".


Well, boomers did ruin sex and drugs for generations that followed.
 
2013-09-01 10:21:08 AM
Thanks for setting us straight, BBC.  Now who is the ass we should blame for starting all this?

upload.wikimedia.org

RN can haz oil?
 
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2013-09-01 10:21:14 AM
We did that a lot in Central America too, that's where the term "banana republic" came from.
 
2013-09-01 10:22:15 AM

Neighborhood Watch: They're becoming a majority muslim country


images.mirror.co.uk

Neighborhood Watch: France will probably do the same thing... and for the same reason


ljhsrdube.pbworks.com

"Help we're being repressed", indeed.
 
2013-09-01 10:23:21 AM
we learned from you Britain, we learned from you
 
2013-09-01 10:25:30 AM

dfacto: utah dude: tl;dr

tatsuma, please summarize this for us.

I believe I can help:

CIA: "Hey, you know what will make these people truly democratic?  Brutal dictatorship!"

Arabs: "Enough with these brutal CIA dictators!  We want brutal dictators of our own!"

*nonstop bloodshed leading to natural selection of the old dictatorial crop like Saddam, set to Yakety Sax*

Deane Hinton: "Called it.  Morons."


Actually, it's been going on since before the CIA existed; since the turn of the 20th Century. Here's a bit more how things play out.

U.S. "Hello, Sultan/Sheik/etc. That's a nice country you have. We especially like that you have a lot of oil because we're an industrialized nation and need a lot of it to keep our machines going. We'll be buying in bulk, so do you think you can cut us a deal?"

Ruler #1 "No, I don't think so. We're already giving you a massive discount on our oil."

US. "Oh, I see...." *blam* "Okay, Sultan/Sheik/etc.; you're in charge now. Do you think we can get a bit more of a discount on oil?"

Ruler #2 "Absolutely!"

U.S. "Great."

Move on to the 1950's....

U.S. "So...World War 2 really increased the number of cars, planes, and machines in the U.S. We need even more oil, so do you think you can give us a better discount? Oh, and oppose the evil communists that want to nationalize your oil fields."

Ruler #2 "You know...you guys have been demanding lower oil prices every few years now. And while we'd love to help you with the communism thing, it's really starting to catch on with our people, so opposing it could seriously destabilize our country. As in rioting."

U.S. "Oh. Well, let us show you how to deal with those commie rioters..." *blam* "Okay, how about you? You think you can cut us a deal on oil and suppress your commie peons?"

Ruler #3 "Absolutely! In fact, I just ordered 100 of them executed in public. Thing is, we're going to need better guns to keep order around here now..."

U.S. "I think we can help you out on that..."

Move on to the 2000's....

U.S. "Hey there, buddy. You know, we've got this little problem with terrorists in your part of the world. And we need better prices on oil. Think you can help us out here, since we're the ones that put you in power to begin with...."

Ruler #3 "Oh, fark...."
 
2013-09-01 10:26:38 AM
 
2013-09-01 10:27:31 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: Neighborhood Watch: They're becoming a majority muslim country

[images.mirror.co.uk image 450x509]

Neighborhood Watch: France will probably do the same thing... and for the same reason

[ljhsrdube.pbworks.com image 600x463]

"Help we're being repressed", indeed.


He doesn't know what to do with himself without a daily GZ thread.
 
2013-09-01 10:30:24 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: After World War I, British aristo-technocrats sat down and snapped rulers down on maps of the middle east and drew lines as borders.

See how well that worked out?


static.flickr.com 
Stabbed themselves in the jolly bits.
 
2013-09-01 10:35:18 AM

Lost Thought 00: And Britain. And Russia. And China. And Mongols. And Rome.

Face it, as the cross roads of the world, they have always attracted unwanted attention since people learned to walk


When you're the origin of the world's most popular imaginary sky friends, and you condense wealth around monuments devoted towards imaginary sky friends, you tend to attract looters.

Good point bringing up the Mongols, though.    The Middle East civilizations were way, way ahead of Europe during the Dark Ages, particularly Baghdad.   Then the Mongols came along and absolutely decimated them.   Hard to rebuild when all of your able bodied men are summarily executed in a mass genocide and your irrigation systems that fueled your life sustaining agriculture were ruined.

The best thing Europe had going for it was to be just far enough out of reach from the Mongols that they ran out of momentum before they completely decimated them.
 
2013-09-01 10:37:17 AM
Oh please.  The middle east has been farked up as long as humans have occupied the area.  It will continue to be farked up until some continental forces move, reshape, or obliterate the area.
 
2013-09-01 10:37:55 AM

stoli n coke: Well, boomers did ruin sex and drugs for generations that followed.


I still like 'em, so they're not completely ruined, at least.
 
2013-09-01 10:38:36 AM
When you take one part ignorance:  Hillary
Add it to one part inexperience:  Obama
Place not to gently into a complex situation:  The Middle East
You get a mess.
 
2013-09-01 10:40:37 AM

Outrageous Muff: Sure, it was the US. Not Britain and France carving up a tribal area into kingdoms for the sole purpose of repression.


Seriously, it took some balls for the BBC to print that shiat.  Britain and France created the problem to begin with.  I'll admit that America hasn't managed it perfectly, but we're FAR from the only power with some responsibility for the mess in the middle east.
 
2013-09-01 10:46:59 AM

Wooly Bully: See, there was this thing called the Cold War. Blaming the US for that and its sh*tty legacy is just as idiotic as, for example, blaming "the baby boomers" for all of our problems, and has the same kind of appeal: scapegoating "the other".


And doesn't your statement imply absolution of action in the name of the Cold War? It wasn't shiatty to depose a (barely) democratically elected leader, Because Of The Cold War?
 
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