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2013-09-01 08:55:53 AM
The weeks following this were some of the strangest in my life.  Being a military brat, I heard a lot of speculation and rumor that "this was it, we were going to war".  After all the Russians were shooting down civilian airliners, was there anything they WOULDN'T do.  Plus, we were about to move to Guam, where my Dad was going to be stationed, so I was sure the end was nigh.

Thanks Subby, for reminding me.  And for reminding me the world has always been farking crazy, not just Post 9/11.
 
2013-09-01 09:17:57 AM

Ennuipoet: And for reminding me the world has always been farking crazy, not just Post 9/11.


There was hope for a little bit before 9/11 and Vladamir Putin, but que sera sera.
 
2013-09-01 09:20:45 AM
Uh, no?
 
2013-09-01 09:21:11 AM
I dunno. Without Germany as the main antagonist I don't see how this one would have reached the same levels of acclaim.
 
2013-09-01 09:22:36 AM
....Was assigned to a Strategic Air Command bomber unit at the time, and I was home on leave when it happened.  When the phone rang and it was my boss telling me to get back now, I knew it was bad.
 
2013-09-01 09:23:17 AM
Luckily past presidents didn't believe in preemptive warfare, otherwise there would have been a WWIII.
 
2013-09-01 09:24:00 AM
It is wise when dealing with a bear not to poke it with a stick or hit it with a club.  Toss it a little honey from time to time and leave it alone otherwise and it will eat itself into a deep sleep.
 
2013-09-01 09:28:50 AM
How is it possible that the plane was 500 miles off course at the time it was shot down?
(Yes, I read the article. No, I don't believe the explanation.)
 
2013-09-01 09:29:43 AM
I was stationed at Schofield Barracks then, nerves were running high that's for sure.
 
2013-09-01 09:32:44 AM

NutWrench: How is it possible that the plane was 500 miles off course at the time it was shot down?
(Yes, I read the article. No, I don't believe the explanation.)


Probably Snakemen.
 
2013-09-01 09:35:08 AM

tetsoushima: NutWrench: How is it possible that the plane was 500 miles off course at the time it was shot down?
(Yes, I read the article. No, I don't believe the explanation.)

Probably Snakemen.


Iluminati, in league with the Reverse Vampires.
 
2013-09-01 09:35:12 AM
Of all the times WW3 almost started, I'd be surprised if this cracked the top 5.
 
2013-09-01 09:36:10 AM

Mark Ratner: Of all the times WW3 almost started, I'd be surprised if this cracked the top 5.


I'm sure Cracked did a top 5 for times when WW3 almost started.
 
2013-09-01 09:39:30 AM
The shootdown did have the effect of removing Larry Macdonald, the only anti-communist left in Congress at the time. When he died, nobody stood in the way of the New World Order and helping Wal-Mart into bed with the communist Chinese.
 
2013-09-01 09:41:05 AM
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2013-09-01 09:44:10 AM

EkimProx: Mark Ratner: Of all the times WW3 almost started, I'd be surprised if this cracked the top 5.

I'm sure Cracked did a top 5 for times when WW3 almost started.


But it was on two pages, so I only read 3 of the top 5.
 
Poe
2013-09-01 09:45:53 AM

EkimProx: Mark Ratner: Of all the times WW3 almost started, I'd be surprised if this cracked the top 5.

I'm sure Cracked did a top 5 for times when WW3 almost started.


Close, Top 6.
 
2013-09-01 09:46:02 AM
 
2013-09-01 09:46:06 AM
Hmmm.  How could I have missed it?  I'm a pretty big news junky.  Of course, that was before internet or even cable came to our area and satellite TV was unheard of.  Can you imagine the reporting if something like this happened now?
 
2013-09-01 09:46:19 AM

AtlanticCoast63: ....Was assigned to a Strategic Air Command bomber unit at the time, and I was home on leave when it happened.  When the phone rang and it was my boss telling me to get back now, I knew it was bad.


An awesome antidote! I'm curious though: there's historically, from the Soviet perspective, must closer instances. Are you able to give us, uh, a better example? Provided the Soviet side of the files, this wasn't one of them.
 
2013-09-01 09:46:57 AM
Didn't some huge NATO war-game (Archer something?) take place shortly after this incident that really scared the Soviets who basically determined to launch a pre-preemptive nuclear strike but orders somehow didn't make it down the line and crisis was barely averted?
 
2013-09-01 09:49:51 AM
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Also 30 years old.... DEFCON 1 indeed....
 
2013-09-01 09:50:26 AM

Poe: EkimProx: Mark Ratner: Of all the times WW3 almost started, I'd be surprised if this cracked the top 5.

I'm sure Cracked did a top 5 for times when WW3 almost started.

Close, Top 6.


It's nice to see they're thinking outside the box.
 
2013-09-01 09:50:52 AM
I think I'd rather have WW3 than the long drawn out shiate that's been going on for the last 20 years and counting.
 
2013-09-01 09:52:26 AM
Not to be outdone, the US shot down Iran Air flight 655 a few years later.
 
2013-09-01 09:52:46 AM

Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: An awesome antidote! I'm curious though: there's historically, from the Soviet perspective, must closer instances. Are you able to give us, uh, a better example? Provided the Soviet side of the files, this wasn't one of them.


That post made my head hurt.
 
2013-09-01 09:53:31 AM

Archie Goodwin: I think I'd rather have WW3 than the long drawn out shiate that's been going on for the last 20 years and counting.


Yeah,

we are and have been fighting WW3 for some time now.

/It's the MIC's version of 'The Devil's Greatest Trick'
 
2013-09-01 09:54:42 AM

NutWrench: How is it possible that the plane was 500 miles off course at the time it was shot down?
(Yes, I read the article. No, I don't believe the explanation.)


When you're flying 7 miles above a featureless ocean (partially at night) with nothing like GPS to give you a moving map display, and only a small set of windows to look forward out of, you are literally listening to tones in an earpiece to figure out where you are in the open air, it is quite easy to lose your way.  Constant position assurance is essential, or you could end up with no ability to find your way back home, as has been demonstrated many times by missing aircraft and occasionally, entire missing squadrons of planes.
The pilots relied on automated systems to keep its electronic ear on those radio tones from fixed points on the ground, and the electronics failed.  The INS system is usually pretty reliable, but it has several known deficiencies.  The system was not designed to alert the pilot when a certain critical navigation command was not accepted by the flight computer.  According to 2010's design, this would have been entirely unacceptable, but in the 80's, UI elements were expensive to implement and a common thought process was that the pilot should "just be paying attention, dammit".  (In hindsight, this resulted in a LOT of planes falling out of the skies in the 70's and 80's.)
The fact that the USSR decided that it was quite acceptable to shoot down a plane over open waters without confirming hostile intent (the pilot himself stated that it seemed to perform an evasive maneuver, which cannot be construed as "hostile" when you're shooting at it) is all I need to confidently hang the blame squarely on their shoulders for this mishap.  It's the same sort of "shoot-first-ask-later" shenanigans that has tragically become so popular in our wars today.
 
2013-09-01 09:56:10 AM
The only thing that prevented that from causing a war was mutually assured destruction. We had to ask ourselves whether it was worth potentially bringing about the end of humanity with a nuke exchange. We are here to talk about it because the answer was no. If this had been done by North Korea or some other weak country with no nuclear capability, there would have been war.
 
2013-09-01 09:57:30 AM

Coming on a Bicycle: Not to be outdone, the US shot down Iran Air flight 655 a few years later.


But those were Iranians, who died in glorious service to Allah, which is an abomination to our lord and saviour Jesus Christ.  They deserve what they got.
 
2013-09-01 09:58:34 AM

Bigdogdaddy: Hmmm.  How could I have missed it?  I'm a pretty big news junky.  Of course, that was before internet or even cable came to our area and satellite TV was unheard of.  Can you imagine the reporting if something like this happened now?


It was in all the papers, dude.
 
2013-09-01 09:58:41 AM

Krusty_the_Barbarian: I was stationed at Schofield Barracks then, nerves were running high that's for sure.


25th ID, or FS Kunia?
 
2013-09-01 10:00:43 AM

rolladuck: Coming on a Bicycle: Not to be outdone, the US shot down Iran Air flight 655 a few years later.

But those were Iranians, who died in glorious service to Allah, which is an abomination to our lord and saviour Jesus Christ.  They deserve what they got.


I just remember it as an incident of similar severity. As one of those 'o fark' moments of the Cold War.
 
2013-09-01 10:03:24 AM
I love how Wikipedia says that, at the end of the day, the net result of the whole thing was for the FAA (or whoever) to mandate more ergonomic autopilot controls.
 
2013-09-01 10:03:37 AM
Is anyone else disappointed that the Cracked list doesn't include Reagan's "We begin bombing in five minutes" speech?
 
2013-09-01 10:04:57 AM

Wodan11: I love how Wikipedia says that, at the end of the day, the net result of the whole thing was for the FAA (or whoever) to mandate more ergonomic autopilot controls.


Because all problems are caused by end user stupidity, never by engineering factors.
 
2013-09-01 10:08:46 AM

Coming on a Bicycle: rolladuck: Coming on a Bicycle: Not to be outdone, the US shot down Iran Air flight 655 a few years later.

But those were Iranians, who died in glorious service to Allah, which is an abomination to our lord and saviour Jesus Christ.  They deserve what they got.

I just remember it as an incident of similar severity. As one of those 'o fark' moments of the Cold War.


They remember it, too.  Their politicians and holy men are still using it as one of the rallying cries against us.
 
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2013-09-01 10:12:11 AM

hardinparamedic: Wodan11: I love how Wikipedia says that, at the end of the day, the net result of the whole thing was for the FAA (or whoever) to mandate more ergonomic autopilot controls.

Because all problems are caused by end user stupidity, never by engineering factors.


That will fix the whole air to air missile problem.
 
2013-09-01 10:13:30 AM
Did get a great Gary Moore tune out of whole ordeal though...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W7amG8IuKE

PS... Was stationed at Ramstein (USAFE Headquarters) when that happened. Don't remember people there getting all that excited about it when it happened. But then again, I was only a one striper working in a civil engineering shop at the time, so I was pretty much out of the loop of the important shiat. Although I do remember a whole bunch of Pershing missiles arriving on base via C-5's and being trucked out one night shortly after that. Probably had something to do with it.
 
2013-09-01 10:13:54 AM

Bigdogdaddy: Hmmm.  How could I have missed it?  I'm a pretty big news junky.  Of course, that was before internet or even cable came to our area and satellite TV was unheard of.  Can you imagine the reporting if something like this happened now?


You're right - it was really odd the way they buried it behind news of Justin Beiber's dad meeting his mom for the first time.

Seriously - what rock were you living under?

www.conservapedia.com
 
2013-09-01 10:15:21 AM

NutWrench: How is it possible that the plane was 500 miles off course at the time it was shot down?
(Yes, I read the article. No, I don't believe the explanation.)


If you don't at least consider it highly plausible, you either *really* don't understand how navigation worked then or your tinfoil hat is six layers deep.
 
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2013-09-01 10:16:40 AM
I was in high school and I didn't think of the time as much closer to WW3 than the rest of the late Cold War era. We had Afghanistan and the Pershing missile dispute and provocative Black Sea transits and so much more going on.  Relations got worse for a while, but this wasn't the kind of incident one presses the big red button over.
 
2013-09-01 10:18:00 AM

uncoveror: The only thing that prevented that from causing a war was mutually assured destruction. We had to ask ourselves whether it was worth potentially bringing about the end of humanity with a nuke exchange. We are here to talk about it because the answer was no. If this had been done by North Korea or some other weak country with no nuclear capability, there would have been war.


And yet, Saudi Arabia was not a glass parking lot on the morning of September 12, 2001.
 
2013-09-01 10:19:04 AM

gadian: Luckily past presidents didn't believe in preemptive warfare, otherwise there would have been a WWIII.


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Reagan invaded Grenada less than two months later.
 
2013-09-01 10:20:20 AM
I seem to remember a theory about the Soviets believing it was a USAF reconnaissance aircraft (Cobra Ball) orbiting in the area at the time.  The Wiki mentions it briefly but offers no further information.
Any other Farkers have anything?

/not wearing a tinfoil hat
 
2013-09-01 10:20:49 AM

fatbear: NutWrench: How is it possible that the plane was 500 miles off course at the time it was shot down?
(Yes, I read the article. No, I don't believe the explanation.)

If you don't at least consider it highly plausible, you either *really* don't understand how navigation worked then or your tinfoil hat is six layers deep.


I understand being off course by 10-15 miles, but this is like taking off from London to New York and ending up over Boston.
The pilots would have had more accurate position information from a 16th century sextant.
 
2013-09-01 10:21:41 AM

Poe: EkimProx: Mark Ratner: Of all the times WW3 almost started, I'd be surprised if this cracked the top 5.

I'm sure Cracked did a top 5 for times when WW3 almost started.

Close, Top 6.


John Varley busts a gut
 
2013-09-01 10:24:09 AM

Poe: EkimProx: Mark Ratner: Of all the times WW3 almost started, I'd be surprised if this cracked the top 5.

I'm sure Cracked did a top 5 for times when WW3 almost started.

Close, Top 6.


That list is useless without the Able Archer incident.
 
2013-09-01 10:28:42 AM
From Major Genadi Osipovich, pilot of the Su-15 interceptor that shot the 747 down:

"... Then the ground [controller] gave the command: 'Destroy the target...!' That was easy to say. But how? With shells? I had already expended 243 rounds. Ram it? I had always thought of that as poor taste... "

\whatta badass
 
2013-09-01 10:35:51 AM

FARKWING_DUCK: From Major Genadi Osipovich, pilot of the Su-15 interceptor that shot the 747 down:

"... Then the ground [controller] gave the command: 'Destroy the target...!' That was easy to say. But how? With shells? I had already expended 243 rounds. Ram it? I had always thought of that as poor taste... "

\whatta badass


A real badass would have said "Screw you, it's a plainly marked airliner.  Get someone else to shoot it down".
 
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