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2013-09-01 05:53:30 AM  
Oh HELL NO!!!!  DNA tests are less expensive than divorce payments and/or child support. ;)
 
2013-09-01 05:54:45 AM  
women, Do NOT try to trap a man.  It will make BOTH of you unhappy.  Trust me on this.  ;)
 
2013-09-01 05:55:19 AM  

croesius: johncb76006: robohobo: Paternity tests should be offered at every birth. Seriously.

Paternity tests should be required at every birth.

Man, I'd hate to mistrust my wife so much I felt I needed a paternity test, no offense to you all who feel like you would need one. Seems like that isn't a very strong foundation on which to build a future, let alone a family.


It's an unfortunate thing, but a reality.
 
2013-09-01 05:55:44 AM  

croesius: johncb76006: robohobo: Paternity tests should be offered at every birth. Seriously.

Paternity tests should be required at every birth.

Man, I'd hate to mistrust my wife so much I felt I needed a paternity test, no offense to you all who feel like you would need one. Seems like that isn't a very strong foundation on which to build a future, let alone a family.


Yeah. Because ignorance is grade A1 foundation material as well.
 
2013-09-01 05:59:13 AM  

zzrhardy: croesius: johncb76006: robohobo: Paternity tests should be offered at every birth. Seriously.

Paternity tests should be required at every birth.

Man, I'd hate to mistrust my wife so much I felt I needed a paternity test, no offense to you all who feel like you would need one. Seems like that isn't a very strong foundation on which to build a future, let alone a family.

Yeah. Because ignorance is grade A1 foundation material as well.


There's a wide chasm between trust and ignorance. Now, if the child shows up with a completely different ethnicity, well yeah, go get that test. But if the first thing you think of when your significant other lets you know she's pregnant is "Who else has this whore been bumpin' uglies with?" I just feel sorry for you.
 
2013-09-01 06:01:24 AM  

because I care: the only women I see complaining that good guys are disappearing are the horrible, immature, selfish ones with completely unrealistic expectations


Unfortunately the percentage of the female population that fits this description is rising on an annual basis as they become indoctrinated by society at large.  There are many indoctrination programs and policies set by governments and school that make certain of it.  Certain women, either through good upbringing, higher intelligence or resistance to indoctrination are going to remain as "the good ones" but those will be less frequent as time passes unless not only do a significant number of people realize it's happening and decide to do something about it or there's some other breaking point.
 
2013-09-01 06:03:38 AM  
I predict the tide of this thread will turn once morning hits and the Fark 'feminists' hit the board,
 
2013-09-01 06:04:10 AM  
"U have vuh GI nuh and z0mg teh manzors is the stupid so U get bebbehs and teh munneh, l0ol!1" is   not  feminism.
 
2013-09-01 06:08:52 AM  

robohobo: I predict the tide of this thread will turn once morning hits and the Fark 'feminists' hit the board,


Ah - I can feel the man-hate already.
 
2013-09-01 06:08:53 AM  

croesius: johncb76006: robohobo: Paternity tests should be offered at every birth. Seriously.

Paternity tests should be required at every birth.

Man, I'd hate to mistrust my wife so much I felt I needed a paternity test, no offense to you all who feel like you would need one. Seems like that isn't a very strong foundation on which to build a future, let alone a family.


In my experience - that's never how it happens.

I've never had a woman pass off another man's child as my own - but I've seen marriages and relationships fall apart.  I've been cheated on, and I've cheated too.  In all of the anecdotal experiences I've had or that I've been close to, the relationship *begins* with trust.  Honestly, far more trust that is deserved.  We assume the best, and given no evidence that our spouse is lying, we assume they are telling the truth.

What ends up happening, inevitably, because of that trust; it takes much longer to realize the trust is misplaced.  At which point, the relationship is much further along than it would be otherwise.

So, yeah, on one level, guys can acknowledge women cheat and sometimes pass off other men's children to their partner because it benefits them.  But, nearly all guys *do* trust their partner.  So they don't get the paternity test.

Now, the real kick in the teeth is our legal system.  So, as others have said, in many places, if you put your name on the birth certificate - the kid is yours by default.  And any additional information that comes to light is largely irrelevant.  On a personal level, my wife could lie to me and I could leave her.  That seems fair.  Screw her.  But once Uncle Sam is involved, it's different.  She can lie to me, and if I believe her, even for a short period of time, even at a very emotional time for a new parent - I'm on the hook, enforceable by the power of the US government, for 18 years.  *Maybe* if I'm lucky, and catch it early enough, and gather proof, and hire an expensive lawyer, I can undo that mistake.

But so long as the government is happy to garnish my wages and force me to raise a child (which they are), I can see why people would support mandatory paternity tests.  To phrase it in a 'happier' way - I believe that, at birth, you should have the option of establishing paternity.  If you don't establish who the Father is - then the Government will stay out of it.  If you do establish paternity, then the government will enforce the rights of the Father for the next 18 years.  A paternity test would be part of the process, if the Father is not the biological Father, the biological Father would need to sign away rights and the non-biological Father would be made aware.

If my wife trusts me, she'd trust that I'd support our family.  But if she wants to be sure I'll be legally obligated, we'd need to sign up, and that would include a paternity test.  Then everyone knows what they are getting into.

This will never happen, but I'd support it.
 
2013-09-01 06:10:19 AM  
Trying to trap a man is like trying to teach a pig to sing.  It wastes your time, and it annoys the man ;)
 
2013-09-01 06:11:33 AM  

robohobo: I predict the tide of this thread will turn once morning hits and the Fark 'feminists' hit the board,


Why?  When you call bullsh*t, all you get is the same eye rolling, disdain and canned talking points.  If I have a disagreement with a woman and she yanks out the "Oh, you hate women" card - because she is ALL WOMEN! *snort* - I just look her in the eye and say "No, b*tch, I just hate you."  Honesty as a bludgeon has two ends.  *sigh*  Then again, don't mind me,  I miss women who like to hold hands in the movies.
 
2013-09-01 06:11:36 AM  

robohobo: I predict the tide of this thread will turn once morning hits and the Fark 'feminists' hit the board,


Feminism is like unionsim. The better things get the less reason they have to exist.

If feminists want to go to bat over the right to cuckold guys, then it is an admission they are no longer relevant (just like trade unions).
 
2013-09-01 06:19:02 AM  

zzrhardy: robohobo: I predict the tide of this thread will turn once morning hits and the Fark 'feminists' hit the board,

Feminism is like unionsim. The better things get the less reason they have to exist.

If feminists want to go to bat over the right to cuckold guys, then it is an admission they are no longer relevant (just like trade unions).


My wife is very alpha. Considers herself a feminist. She's also a gifted surgeon. She often runs afoul of other self described feminists who insist on decrying her for sometimes making me dinner, or acquiescing to a request I make. It's very amusing. They don't seem to understand a woman can be a feminist yet still hold her husband in equal regard.
 
2013-09-01 06:27:04 AM  

robohobo: She often runs afoul of other self described feminists who insist on decrying her for sometimes making me dinner, or acquiescing to a request I make


Oh, how ignorant of me.  Feminism, according to these women, is when any relationship with a man is a constant war of wills that they win.  Yeah, sign me up for 50 years of that drying piece of dogsh*t excuse for love.   :  )
 
2013-09-01 06:28:03 AM  
i think honestly the best way for the cunning plan the article seems to be discussing (not the thread) to backfire would be "that's great honey, let's use the ultrasound picture on the wedding invitations so everyone can get all the great news at once!"
 
2013-09-01 06:31:36 AM  

pecosdave: because I care: the only women I see complaining that good guys are disappearing are the horrible, immature, selfish ones with completely unrealistic expectations

Unfortunately the percentage of the female population that fits this description is rising on an annual basis as they become indoctrinated by society at large.  There are many indoctrination programs and policies set by governments and school that make certain of it.  Certain women, either through good upbringing, higher intelligence or resistance to indoctrination are going to remain as "the good ones" but those will be less frequent as time passes unless not only do a significant number of people realize it's happening and decide to do something about it or there's some other breaking point.



Maybe that's not necessarily a bad thing. Maybe we, as a society, don't need so many people to get married and have children. Let the men have their video games and porn, and let these women have their Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey box sets and their bitterness. It's not like our species is going to die out of some people remain unmarried and (presumably) childless.
 
2013-09-01 06:32:56 AM  

because I care: Let the men have their video games and porn, and let these women have their Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey box sets and their bitterness. It's not like our species is going to die out of some people remain unmarried and (presumably) childless.


Well, perhaps just the ones who can read and figure out small electronic items.   :  )
 
2013-09-01 06:37:13 AM  

because I care: Maybe that's not necessarily a bad thing. Maybe we, as a society, don't need so many people to get married and have children. Let the men have their video games and porn, and let these women have their Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey box sets and their bitterness. It's not like our species is going to die out of some people remain unmarried and (presumably) childless.


Incredibly good argument.

If we stop the wrong part of this - which is the discriminatory policies that are driving so many men to the basement so that those who don't want to take the path aren't forced and we just allow the momentum to go forward for those that do I could almost back this.
 
2013-09-01 06:39:53 AM  
Its a cruel man that does not tell his wife he is sterile
until she tells him she is pregnant
 
2013-09-01 06:48:01 AM  

robohobo: pecosdave: robohobo: My best friend had an ex who used this tactic for months, claiming to be pregnant. He was all kinds of excited, he loved her, was totally ready to raise kid, They got hitched. Couple months later she claimed to have an abortion, broke his heart. Came clean with the truth a few weeks later.

Since he was male and she wasn't I'll be there was no legal repercussion whatsoever, even if he filed for it.

He just let it go and divorced her. Never looked back. Now he has an innate distrust of women, and it's too bad. Best guy I know.


Innate distrust of women?  What's his Fark handle?
 
2013-09-01 06:49:20 AM  

pecosdave: because I care: Maybe that's not necessarily a bad thing. Maybe we, as a society, don't need so many people to get married and have children. Let the men have their video games and porn, and let these women have their Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey box sets and their bitterness. It's not like our species is going to die out of some people remain unmarried and (presumably) childless.

Incredibly good argument.

If we stop the wrong part of this - which is the discriminatory policies that are driving so many men to the basement so that those who don't want to take the path aren't forced and we just allow the momentum to go forward for those that do I could almost back this.


What discriminatory policies are these? I'm single by choice, but if I ever did find a girl I wanted to marry I can't think of any policies that would discourage me.
 
2013-09-01 06:51:10 AM  

the_cnidarian: Translation: If the husband is offered a paternity test when the wife is present, he will firmly refuse to avoid conflict.

Reality: if the man has the chance to confirm the child is his without conflict, he will take it.


If they were already married, I suspect most husbands wouldn't actually care.  Genetic material isn't actually particularly important at this phase of human development, aside from screening for diseases.

I mean, the 'screening for disease' part is going to become essentially obligatory within a decade as the cost shrinks to effectively nothing in the context of the normal costs of a pregnancy, given the huge savings that kind of advance screening gives you over your lifetime.  So sort of coincidentally paternity is going to pretty much be automatically tested by 2020 or so for anyone that knows their own risk factors (do the baby's roughly match some combination of your risk factors and your wife's?  No?  It's not yours).

But if people or society really cared about paternity in itself, we'd already automatically screen, parental matching is like a 5$ agar plate and 10 minutes of an intern's time with a piece of equipment less complex than a car battery.  It doesn't happen because we don't care.  Men have already decided to raise a kid with their spouse or not, society's sole interest is that a given kid be raised by more than one person.  That's about the limit of it.
 
2013-09-01 06:51:19 AM  

because I care: pecosdave: because I care: Maybe that's not necessarily a bad thing. Maybe we, as a society, don't need so many people to get married and have children. Let the men have their video games and porn, and let these women have their Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey box sets and their bitterness. It's not like our species is going to die out of some people remain unmarried and (presumably) childless.

Incredibly good argument.

If we stop the wrong part of this - which is the discriminatory policies that are driving so many men to the basement so that those who don't want to take the path aren't forced and we just allow the momentum to go forward for those that do I could almost back this.

What discriminatory policies are these? I'm single by choice, but if I ever did find a girl I wanted to marry I can't think of any policies that would discourage me.


Automatic preference in divorce and child-related proceedings? Men are always considered guilty until proven possibly innocent while women of course can't possibly have done wrong.
 
2013-09-01 06:55:41 AM  

Esroc: robohobo: Paternity tests should be offered at every birth. Seriously.

 If offered then most husbands/wives will refuse it as to not risk pissing off their significant other. And they're pretty easy to get if you really do want one.


Make them mandatory. Covers all the bases.
 
2013-09-01 06:58:16 AM  

Jim_Callahan: the_cnidarian: Translation: If the husband is offered a paternity test when the wife is present, he will firmly refuse to avoid conflict.

Reality: if the man has the chance to confirm the child is his without conflict, he will take it.

If they were already married, I suspect most husbands wouldn't actually care.  Genetic material isn't actually particularly important at this phase of human development, aside from screening for diseases.

I mean, the 'screening for disease' part is going to become essentially obligatory within a decade as the cost shrinks to effectively nothing in the context of the normal costs of a pregnancy, given the huge savings that kind of advance screening gives you over your lifetime.  So sort of coincidentally paternity is going to pretty much be automatically tested by 2020 or so for anyone that knows their own risk factors (do the baby's roughly match some combination of your risk factors and your wife's?  No?  It's not yours).

But if people or society really cared about paternity in itself, we'd already automatically screen, parental matching is like a 5$ agar plate and 10 minutes of an intern's time with a piece of equipment less complex than a car battery.  It doesn't happen because we don't care.  Men have already decided to raise a kid with their spouse or not, society's sole interest is that a given kid be raised by more than one person.  That's about the limit of it.


I'd argue most men choose to trust their partner. Nothing wrong with that. Combined with the who jezebel.com movement where women blah blah blah and don't you dare question or have a problem with the movement bullshiat. Just bouncing around in google, 3/10th of British men are raising batstard who aren't theirs.This isn't just wrong, it's farked up on so many levels.
 
2013-09-01 07:01:30 AM  

because I care: What discriminatory policies are these? I'm single by choice, but if I ever did find a girl I wanted to marry I can't think of any policies that would discourage me.


robohobo covered a lot of it for me.  It's not just divorce though, colleges have a lot of horrible programs and the entire educational system has been regeared to favor girls.
 
2013-09-01 07:03:14 AM  

robohobo: and don't you dare


And that is precisely the juncture at which I tell whoever is selling that K-Mart authority pose, man or woman, to go take a flying f*ck at a rolling doughnut.  If your movement needs my nose up it's ass to be a success, your movement is f*cked 8 ways from last week. Respect is an earned commodity.  You don't put a quarter in, press a button and kick the machine if it doesn't fall out.
 
2013-09-01 07:08:03 AM  

robohobo: Esroc: robohobo: Paternity tests should be offered at every birth. Seriously.

 If offered then most husbands/wives will refuse it as to not risk pissing off their significant other. And they're pretty easy to get if you really do want one.

Then offer them quietly. Perhaps write it into insurance requirements. Too many women tricking their poor husbands into raising someone else's bastard.


What percentage of pregnancies do you think fall into this category? How many women is too many?
 
2013-09-01 07:09:23 AM  

gulogulo: robohobo: Esroc: robohobo: Paternity tests should be offered at every birth. Seriously.

 If offered then most husbands/wives will refuse it as to not risk pissing off their significant other. And they're pretty easy to get if you really do want one.

Then offer them quietly. Perhaps write it into insurance requirements. Too many women tricking their poor husbands into raising someone else's bastard.

What percentage of pregnancies do you think fall into this category? How many women is too many?


Even one is too many. End of story.
 
2013-09-01 07:18:58 AM  
Some people see life as a challenge as to what they can accomplish.  Some people see life as a challenge as to what they can "get away with".  I am not responsible for the gender line statistics as to who decides which.
 
2013-09-01 07:21:17 AM  
They've already outlawed selling urine to use to defeat drug screening where I am.  Yes, selling your pee can land you in jail for 12 months, and/or net you a $2500 fine.
 
2013-09-01 07:21:28 AM  

sendtodave: robohobo: Esroc: robohobo: Paternity tests should be offered at every birth. Seriously.

 If offered then most husbands/wives will refuse it as to not risk pissing off their significant other. And they're pretty easy to get if you really do want one.

Then offer them quietly. Perhaps write it into insurance requirements. Too many women tricking their poor husbands into raising someone else's bastard.

Chimps do this. Most primates do, I believe.

While the alpha is making his rounds, some beta is farking his harem. He assumes the kids are his, of course.

You'd think that humans would be smart enough to assume otherwise.


Humans really don't exhibit true alpha-beta behavior as a species. Marriage really wouldn't exist if it did. Some men might like to think they are alphas, or whatever.


Reminds me of some theory that hormone based birth controls screw up how women select partners... Interesting theory, but....
 
2013-09-01 07:22:58 AM  
I wonder if Jezebel will run this article
 
2013-09-01 07:24:43 AM  

filter: Humans really don't exhibit true alpha-beta behavior as a species. Marriage really wouldn't exist if it did. Some men might like to think they are alphas, or whatever.


You would think that with all of this objective reasoning and self-awareness of our own mortal state that we would have figured out by now that nobody wins.
 
2013-09-01 07:26:04 AM  

johncb76006: robohobo: Paternity tests should be offered at every birth. Seriously.

Paternity tests should be required at every birth.


the divorce rate would explode
 
2013-09-01 07:26:43 AM  
Whoa.
 
2013-09-01 07:27:04 AM  

pecosdave: because I care: What discriminatory policies are these? I'm single by choice, but if I ever did find a girl I wanted to marry I can't think of any policies that would discourage me.

robohobo covered a lot of it for me.  It's not just divorce though, colleges have a lot of horrible programs and the entire educational system has been regeared to favor girls.


But do men actually cite these things as reasons to not get married? I don't mean just in the abstract; are there men who would otherwise marry a specific woman, but refuse to do so because of these reasons?

/I do think that divorce and child support laws could stand to be updated if we as a society truly want things to be 'equal'
 
2013-09-01 07:28:17 AM  

robohobo: gulogulo: robohobo: Esroc: robohobo: Paternity tests should be offered at every birth. Seriously.

 If offered then most husbands/wives will refuse it as to not risk pissing off their significant other. And they're pretty easy to get if you really do want one.

Then offer them quietly. Perhaps write it into insurance requirements. Too many women tricking their poor husbands into raising someone else's bastard.

What percentage of pregnancies do you think fall into this category? How many women is too many?

Even one is too many. End of story.


Somehow I knew that tired trope was going to be marched out. Come on. That's a little crazy, don't you think? You are all cringing over some imagined boogeyman for something that is the exception rather than the rule.  Your wife sounds awesome by the way.  In fact, what she is doing is the definition of feminism, not man hating. It actually has never been about that.

To wit, I see the quandary. The fear of fathering someone else's offspring is deeply ingrained biologically in many animals. Yet there is no 'truth' in the reality you presume that it is widespread and growing. That is a construction of your fears, and fanned by the unique little community is on here of like minded individuals.  I abhor cheating, but in my eyes, to have that seed of distrust planted in the relationship early is going to be like a wound left to fester.  It does trouble me that the 'tone' of the arguments put forth on here seems to presume women to be some monolithic, even infantile, creature that does not come with individuality or personhood. That as offensive to me as the laws that assume the mother is the best option in custody, or that all men are potential rapists.
 
2013-09-01 07:29:05 AM  
This all said, I'm an ethnic minority with very dominant genes, living in a very homogenous genetically recessive country. My kids don't look anything like their mother. Nice it works that way--- everyone comments their father must be a foreigner. Works for me.
 
2013-09-01 07:31:46 AM  

because I care: pecosdave: because I care: What discriminatory policies are these? I'm single by choice, but if I ever did find a girl I wanted to marry I can't think of any policies that would discourage me.

robohobo covered a lot of it for me.  It's not just divorce though, colleges have a lot of horrible programs and the entire educational system has been regeared to favor girls.

But do men actually cite these things as reasons to not get married? I don't mean just in the abstract; are there men who would otherwise marry a specific woman, but refuse to do so because of these reasons?

/I do think that divorce and child support laws could stand to be updated if we as a society truly want things to be 'equal'


No-- but I married late... something about 'free milk.' And seeing a lot of friends divorcing or hating married life.
 
2013-09-01 07:31:58 AM  

gulogulo: robohobo: Esroc: robohobo: Paternity tests should be offered at every birth. Seriously.

 If offered then most husbands/wives will refuse it as to not risk pissing off their significant other. And they're pretty easy to get if you really do want one.

Then offer them quietly. Perhaps write it into insurance requirements. Too many women tricking their poor husbands into raising someone else's bastard.

What percentage of pregnancies do you think fall into this category? How many women is too many?


If you want to search for it, the term is delicated described as a "non paternity event" in studies. It is commonly quoted at around 10% but varies wildly. The "spikes" generally occur in those cases where the guy thinks he is being duped.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-paternity_event
 
2013-09-01 07:39:07 AM  

croesius: johncb76006: robohobo: Paternity tests should be offered at every birth. Seriously.

Paternity tests should be required at every birth.

Man, I'd hate to mistrust my wife so much I felt I needed a paternity test, no offense to you all who feel like you would need one. Seems like that isn't a very strong foundation on which to build a future, let alone a family.


Why not look at it the other way?

Why would a faithful wife feel that a paternity test is any way impugning her honesty? After all, if she's done nothing wrong she has nothing to worry about.

Only one of the two partners is risking being deceived and forced to pay for a child that isn't theirs. Why shouldn't that issue be addressed as a matter of course? Nobody who has done the right thing would be inconvenienced in any way by compulsory paternity testing.
 
2013-09-01 07:39:50 AM  

zzrhardy: If you want to search for it, the term is delicated described as a "non paternity event" in studies. It is commonly quoted at around 10% but varies wildly. The "spikes" generally occur in those cases where the guy thinks he is being duped.


You really should read your own article.  It says the very next line that it is an over estimate and more likely right around 3% (median).  You have to remember the statistics without how big that cohort is does not tell a complete picture.  Are the spikes due to a cohort of say 20 people who were already worried about paternity? or 2000?  Those are very different pictures. I'm not advocating for "non paternity events'.
 
2013-09-01 07:42:06 AM  

Trapper439: croesius: johncb76006: robohobo: Paternity tests should be offered at every birth. Seriously.

Paternity tests should be required at every birth.

Man, I'd hate to mistrust my wife so much I felt I needed a paternity test, no offense to you all who feel like you would need one. Seems like that isn't a very strong foundation on which to build a future, let alone a family.

Why not look at it the other way?

Why would a faithful wife feel that a paternity test is any way impugning her honesty? After all, if she's done nothing wrong she has nothing to worry about.


nice (and could have good effects on other subjects where that reasoning is used)
 
2013-09-01 07:56:03 AM  

OgreMagi: the_cnidarian: Esroc: robohobo: Paternity tests should be offered at every birth. Seriously.

 If offered then most husbands/wives will refuse it as to not risk pissing off their significant other. And they're pretty easy to get if you really do want one.

Translation: If the husband is offered a paternity test when the wife is present, he will firmly refuse to avoid conflict.

Reality: if the man has the chance to confirm the child is his without conflict, he will take it.

In many (some?) states, if you do not object at the time the birth certificate is made, you are the father regardless of any paternity test in the future.  The test should be required by law before the birth certificate is issued.


hells yes paternity should be proven before certification. and that certification should carry financial responsibility. might cut down on a few babby daddy having 9 children with 4 different hos.
 
2013-09-01 07:58:40 AM  

OgreMagi: Wanna get your boyfriend to pop the question?

The question I would pop would be, "who else have you been farking" since I had a vasectomy.


Yep. Got one a few days after I turned 18. People only find out on a need to know basis (you Farkers don't' count), and if it isn't a chick I'm dating that's claiming to be pregnant, there's no need to know. Only had to use it once but the look on her face was PRICELESS.

/yeah I learned not to stick it in crazy
//maybe
 
2013-09-01 08:01:23 AM  

KrispyKritter: OgreMagi: the_cnidarian: Esroc: robohobo: Paternity tests should be offered at every birth. Seriously.

 If offered then most husbands/wives will refuse it as to not risk pissing off their significant other. And they're pretty easy to get if you really do want one.

Translation: If the husband is offered a paternity test when the wife is present, he will firmly refuse to avoid conflict.

Reality: if the man has the chance to confirm the child is his without conflict, he will take it.

In many (some?) states, if you do not object at the time the birth certificate is made, you are the father regardless of any paternity test in the future.  The test should be required by law before the birth certificate is issued.

hells yes paternity should be proven before certification. and that certification should carry financial responsibility. might cut down on a few babby daddy having 9 children with 4 different hos.


Not in the state's best interest. Men could refuse the test- lotsa kids with fathers unknown.

Best solution is to avoid this risk entirely-- know your partner!
 
2013-09-01 08:03:15 AM  
any woman who would even consider this should go seek psychiatric help.
 
2013-09-01 08:05:16 AM  

Alexei Novikov: OgreMagi: Wanna get your boyfriend to pop the question?

The question I would pop would be, "who else have you been farking" since I had a vasectomy.

Yep. Got one a few days after I turned 18. People only find out on a need to know basis (you Farkers don't' count), and if it isn't a chick I'm dating that's claiming to be pregnant, there's no need to know. Only had to use it once but the look on her face was PRICELESS.

/yeah I learned not to stick it in crazy
//maybe


but you do ride bareback so that's crazy in itself.
 
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