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(SeattlePI)   Man who took in tens of thousands of dollars by renting out houses that technically didn't belong to him only did it to "help people." Aw, isn't that nice?   (seattlepi.com) divider line 16
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2013-08-31 10:55:53 AM
If he was trying to help people, he wouldn't have charged them rent.
 
2013-08-31 11:49:17 AM
It's a public service. It's like squatter.com with a modest fee.
 
2013-08-31 01:19:00 PM
he's a person. so it's absolutely true
 
2013-08-31 01:24:38 PM

truchaos: If he was trying to help people, he wouldn't have charged them rent.


He helps those that help themselves. Namely, himself.
 
2013-08-31 01:28:45 PM
Bootstrappy!

Who exactly are the "victims" here? The tenants who paid a market rent. Or the poor poor banks?
 
2013-08-31 01:32:30 PM
DNRTFA, but should "people" be capitalized if that's the guy's name?

/Jimmy's gonna get you, Kramer!
 
2013-08-31 01:58:40 PM

opiumpoopy: Bootstrappy!

Who exactly are the "victims" here? The tenants who paid a market rent. Or the poor poor banks?


T'Chani seems to think she is. I'd love to hear her rationalization on that. In truth, the real victims as probably the banks and the people who own other houses in the neighborhood.
 
2013-08-31 01:59:12 PM
More time than the people who crashed the economy got.
 
2013-08-31 02:01:37 PM
opiumpoopy: Who exactly are the "victims" here? The tenants who paid a market rent. Or the poor poor banks?

I suspect you didn't read the article, but the article is pretty light on details. You could google it, but allegedly the dude:

- Damaged houses that didn't belong to him, and rented them illegally to tenants who also damaged them.

- Was supposed to be making mortgage payments for at least one soldier who was overseas, and instead illegally rented the property and stopped making mortgage payments, causing the house to be foreclosed on.

- Screwed up sales of being-foreclosed-on houses by renting them without the sellers' permission. You're losing your house, you try to sell it, and the buyers find out there are random people living there. Kind of sucks.

- Took money from tenants who were then kicked out because they weren't legally renting the places, and they didn't get their money back.

Etc. These criminal schemes are rarely tidy little plans. They generally balloon out in all least-resistance directions. Most criminals are not bright.
 
2013-08-31 02:14:43 PM

opiumpoopy: Who exactly are the "victims" here? The tenants who paid a market rent. Or the poor poor banks?


Do you know who else didn't like people who were better at handling money than he was?
 
2013-08-31 02:18:58 PM

BigNumber12: opiumpoopy: Who exactly are the "victims" here? The tenants who paid a market rent. Or the poor poor banks?

Do you know who else didn't like people who were better at handling money than he was?


Donald Trump?
 
2013-08-31 03:16:23 PM

BigNumber12: opiumpoopy: Who exactly are the "victims" here? The tenants who paid a market rent. Or the poor poor banks?

Do you know who else didn't like people who were better at handling money than he was?


The  owners of the property, the banks.

Why on earth would it be morally acceptable to steal from the lawful owners, regardless of who those owners are?  Is it somehow morally okay to steal from a bank but not an individual person?

However, the answer is even simpler: he was also stealing from the renters because he had no legal ability to give them the right to be there.  The whole time they were there, they were trespassing.  Let's say say someone was hurt on the property; who would be liable?  He was promising them something - the right to be there - and taking their money despite never providing that right.

Thief.
 
2013-08-31 04:14:08 PM

mattharvest: Why on earth would it be morally acceptable to steal from the lawful owners, regardless of who those owners are? Is it somehow morally okay to steal from a bank but not an individual person?


-Banks are not people. A bank can't feel hurt. Sure they are made up of people, but they are not people. We are not talking small business here either.
-Banks have screwed a lot of people, hence these foreclosures in the first place.

Morally right? No, but it is is a lot less wrong then stealing form someone.
 
2013-08-31 04:57:48 PM
I'm sympathetic to the notion that banks generally suck, but stealing from a bank is still stealing, and not every foreclosure was caused by banks being dicks.

Moreover, if you've been paying attention you know that this guy allegedly stole directly from people, too, and not just from banks. Plus he allegedly committed various other crimes.

If you pay someone for a lease and then get kicked out because they didn't have any right to lease you that property, and you can't get your money back, you're not going to blow it off because he was 'really' screwing the bank. And, again, he allegedly illegally rented out property that was privately owned by military personnel who were serving overseas.

Hating the banks is fine, but let's try to stay focused just a little.
 
2013-08-31 06:11:11 PM

Lars The Canadian Viking: -Banks are not people. A bank can't feel hurt. Sure they are made up of people, but they are not people. We are not talking small business here either.
-Banks have screwed a lot of people, hence these foreclosures in the first place.


Maybe they can't be 'hurt' in the traditional way, but they sure as hell have the law on their side to exact maximum revenge on anyone who wrongs them.

Murderers who actually hurt real victims often get less punishment than a perp who victimizes a bank and hurts the bottom line and pride only.
 
2013-08-31 08:10:49 PM
Despite his guilty plea, Dance's wife, Gloria, defended him to the bitter end.

"The only thing I can say (is) that (all) my husband is guilty of is trying to help people," she said.


/Sounds more like he was trying to help himself by committing fraud and theft.
 
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