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2013-08-31 10:47:49 AM
Boobies.  Needs more.
 
2013-08-31 10:50:20 AM

Animatronik: Boobies.  Needs more.


More boobies for everyone!
 
2013-08-31 10:51:49 AM
Still not buying a frakkin tablet that costs as much as a PC. I'd rather have an Ultrabook or a MacBook Air.
 
2013-08-31 10:52:04 AM
They got tons of them sitting in warehouse.
 
2013-08-31 10:52:13 AM
Microsoft had its chance to be competitive with the iPad with Courier, and Ballmer decided it would be better to kill the project, hang back, wait for iPad to both define and corner the tablet market, and then release an iPad clone.
 
2013-08-31 10:58:54 AM

Kit Fister: Still not buying a frakkin tablet that costs as much as a PC. I'd rather have an Ultrabook or a MacBook Air.


Someone please find a hole in this logic. I can't.
 
2013-08-31 11:11:14 AM

foo monkey: Kit Fister: Still not buying a frakkin tablet that costs as much as a PC. I'd rather have an Ultrabook or a MacBook Air.

Someone please find a hole in this logic. I can't.


wacom digitizer built into the screen. serves the artist market. a buddy of mine who is a graphic designer for universal is an all mac guy(the same kinda guy who is an amazing artist but thinks if apple make something it is somehow better) picked one up and is gushing over it like it is an Apple product because he can walk around the park with it and sketch things out.
 
2013-08-31 11:15:56 AM
Holy crap. $800 for a tablet with a 5 hour battery life? Yea, no thanks.
 
2013-08-31 11:24:21 AM

foo monkey: Kit Fister: Still not buying a frakkin tablet that costs as much as a PC. I'd rather have an Ultrabook or a MacBook Air.

Someone please find a hole in this logic. I can't.


The Surface Pro IS a PC.
 
2013-08-31 11:28:01 AM
Still to expensive.
Forty bucks, shipped, tops.
 
2013-08-31 11:32:26 AM

LasersHurt: foo monkey: Kit Fister: Still not buying a frakkin tablet that costs as much as a PC. I'd rather have an Ultrabook or a MacBook Air.

Someone please find a hole in this logic. I can't.

The Surface Pro IS a PC.


This. It's a full featured laptop in a tablet form factor. I love mine. It has the guts to run everything I need to program on the go.
 
2013-08-31 11:34:36 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Still to expensive.
Forty bucks, shipped, tops.


Give it a little time, they are not nearly done with the price cutting necessary to move these turkeys out of the warehouse.

The current Macbook Air gets double the battery life plus a couple of extra hours and change on top of that.

It's not even a contest.
 
2013-08-31 11:34:45 AM
I got one for about $500 with the keyboard cover.  It was a Microcenter return and a friendly employee gave me a deal.  It's growing on me, and while I wouldn't say it really competes with the IPad (heavier, battery life not as good) it is definitely a more useful device.

If they stick with the platform, and improve it over time, they will have something.  The question is, will Microsoft stick with it over the long haul?
 
2013-08-31 11:36:46 AM

Carth: Holy crap. $800 for a tablet with a 5 hour battery life? Yea, no thanks.


I'm waiting for the Pro with the Haswell processor, then I may bite.
 
2013-08-31 11:39:02 AM
I guess I am in no place to judge anyone....I just ordered a custom gaming desktop for $2500.
 
2013-08-31 11:39:13 AM

xalres: It's a full featured laptop in a tablet form factor.


If it were a full featured laptop, it would have a real keyboard and trackpad.

If it were a real tablet, it would have tons of touch based apps, be much lighter, and have an all day battery life.

It's too compromised to do either job well.

Thank goodness the board finally fired Ballmer.
 
2013-08-31 11:39:26 AM
It's stupid how they expect RT to compete with the iPad and Android tablets, when really their biggest advantage is the Pro tablets being able to run regular windows programs. When I'm shopping for a tablet a crippled Windows 8 does not appeal to me, but a full Windows 8 tablet does. But then I see the pricetag, and even at $800 that's more than iOS or Android devices. If they want to stay in the game they should price their Win 8 Pro tablets competitively with iOS and Android - stick around $500 or preferably less. If they can't do that then maybe they should be focussing on something else.
 
2013-08-31 11:39:51 AM

JonZoidberg: Carth: Holy crap. $800 for a tablet with a 5 hour battery life? Yea, no thanks.

I'm waiting for the Pro with the Haswell processor, then I may bite.


Don't they have millions of the things in a warehouse though? Will they make an updated version before these sellout?
 
2013-08-31 11:41:01 AM
So it's $200 more than a new cell phone?

Seems pretty reasonable to me.
 
2013-08-31 11:41:51 AM

Carth: JonZoidberg: Carth: Holy crap. $800 for a tablet with a 5 hour battery life? Yea, no thanks.

I'm waiting for the Pro with the Haswell processor, then I may bite.

Don't they have millions of the things in a warehouse though? Will they make an updated version before these sellout?


You're confusing the Surface RTs with the Surface Pros.
 
2013-08-31 11:42:40 AM
The problem is that the "pro" tablet user is a small market. For most people a normal tablet is fine because all they do is email, surf the internet, update social media and watch videos. For the price of a Surface Pro you could get a normal tablet and a smart phone. Or you could buy a decent laptop and still save hundreds.

The big issue with the RT was that it was made by the Windows OS devision and not the Windows Phone devision. If the RT was a scaled up Windows Phone 8 device it would be better and have a synergy with the phones. Price it at £300 or a bit less and you could sell lots of them and lock people into the Wondows Phone eco-system.
 
2013-08-31 11:43:36 AM
Okay - I suck at math.  $300 more.
 
2013-08-31 11:55:08 AM

BullBearMS: xalres: It's a full featured laptop in a tablet form factor.

If it were a full featured laptop, it would have a real keyboard and trackpad.


It does. It's called a type cover and it works great. 

If it were a real tablet, it would have tons of touch based apps, be much lighter, and have an all day battery life.

It does. The marketplace is full of them. Plus, you can run windows programs on it. It's weight and battery life are the same as comparably featured machines.

I don't get all the crap MS has gotten over these things. If Apple had released an OSX tablet with the same hardware, battery life and weight as the Surface Pro the tech world's collective orgasm over the things would last for years.
 
2013-08-31 11:56:02 AM

mongbiohazard: It's stupid how they expect RT to compete with the iPad and Android tablets, when really their biggest advantage is the Pro tablets being able to run regular windows programs. When I'm shopping for a tablet a crippled Windows 8 does not appeal to me, but a full Windows 8 tablet does. But then I see the pricetag, and even at $800 that's more than iOS or Android devices. If they want to stay in the game they should price their Win 8 Pro tablets competitively with iOS and Android - stick around $500 or preferably less. If they can't do that then maybe they should be focussing on something else.


The real problem with Microsofts approach is that people are discovering they don't need Microsoft Office anymore.  So being able to run "regular" windows programs that aren't optimized for touchscreen is really not an advantage for them.  They need to create new versions of their apps instead of just porting over the bloated pieces of shiat.

/the only remaining program of Microsofts office suite I still regularly use is Visio and Microsoft has turned even that into a bloated piece of shiat.
//don't get me started on "ribbons"
 
2013-08-31 11:56:10 AM

theflatline: foo monkey: Kit Fister: Still not buying a frakkin tablet that costs as much as a PC. I'd rather have an Ultrabook or a MacBook Air.

Someone please find a hole in this logic. I can't.

wacom digitizer built into the screen. serves the artist market. a buddy of mine who is a graphic designer for universal is an all mac guy(the same kinda guy who is an amazing artist but thinks if apple make something it is somehow better) picked one up and is gushing over it like it is an Apple product because he can walk around the park with it and sketch things out.


Been considering a Pro for exactly the same use. Great product for a small group of people.
 
2013-08-31 12:01:43 PM

LasersHurt: Carth: JonZoidberg: Carth: Holy crap. $800 for a tablet with a 5 hour battery life? Yea, no thanks.

I'm waiting for the Pro with the Haswell processor, then I may bite.

Don't they have millions of the things in a warehouse though? Will they make an updated version before these sellout?

You're confusing the Surface RTs with the Surface Pros.


... Yes. I am. Whoever thought of that naming scheme is terrible.
 
2013-08-31 12:05:27 PM
If it dips below $500, I might - MIGHT - buy one for the Library's petting zoo.
 
2013-08-31 12:05:49 PM

LasersHurt: You're confusing the Surface RTs with the Surface Pros.


No.

They also have tons of Surface Pros in the warehouse.

That's why they already started cutting the price on both.
 
2013-08-31 12:07:04 PM

Carth: JonZoidberg: Carth: Holy crap. $800 for a tablet with a 5 hour battery life? Yea, no thanks.

I'm waiting for the Pro with the Haswell processor, then I may bite.

Don't they have millions of the things in a warehouse though? Will they make an updated version before these sellout?




Sellout? LOL!
 
2013-08-31 12:08:40 PM

BullBearMS: LasersHurt: You're confusing the Surface RTs with the Surface Pros.

No.

They also have tons of Surface Pros in the warehouse.

That's why they already started cutting the price on both.




Those things are a year old now. Year old tech should be a lot cheaper.
 
2013-08-31 12:08:40 PM

xalres: LasersHurt: foo monkey: Kit Fister: Still not buying a frakkin tablet that costs as much as a PC. I'd rather have an Ultrabook or a MacBook Air.

Someone please find a hole in this logic. I can't.

The Surface Pro IS a PC.

This. It's a full featured laptop in a tablet form factor. I love mine. It has the guts to run everything I need to program on the go.


yes, and if you don't mind a tablet, that's great. I don't need or want a touchscreen or a tablet. I WANT a keyboard and mouse/trackpad. Trying to type on a screen is farking annoying. Adding a case with a keyboard is both farking annoying and adds more money to something it should already have.

Hence, it's not something I'll buy over an Ultrabook or a MacBook Air.
 
2013-08-31 12:09:30 PM
Our shop is MS pretty much all the way, so we early adopt almost everything.

The RT is a still-born platform.  Made absolutely no sense.

The PRO is a pretty good machine.  Stopped using my laptop entirely. I run everything I need on it, and can VPN into ours and our clients' networks to get where I need to be without any problems.

For a first gen release, the PRO is "adequate".  The two knocks on it are battery life and heat generation.  Both of these should be mostly solved with the release of the next generation with the Haswell chips.
 
2013-08-31 12:09:51 PM
FTFA: but the Surface is more capable in many ways than its competition.The Surface Pro runs the full desktop version of Windows 8, making it more suitable for some for productivity and media work than an iPad or Android tablet.

Devin Coldewey is a contributing writer for NBC News Digital.


Yeah, paid stooge.

I wouldn't run Windows 8 if I could control the touchscreen with my dick.

/And I could
 
2013-08-31 12:10:22 PM
Wait for the Woot.

Apparently these tablets will sell at a $200 price, delivered, with keyboard.
 
2013-08-31 12:18:41 PM

BullBearMS: xalres: It's a full featured laptop in a tablet form factor.

If it were a full featured laptop, it would have a real keyboard and trackpad.

If it were a real tablet, it would have tons of touch based apps, be much lighter, and have an all day battery life.

It's too compromised to do either job well.

Thank goodness the board finally fired Ballmer.


Once upon a time, back in 2000, I was a big fan of "convergence" because I thought that having everything in one place was awesome. In hindsight, I realize that I felt this way because 90% of what was out there wasn't very good so I might as well have all the shiat in one place. But as specialized items have improved, over the last five years I have embraced divergence again. I simply do not need a full fledged PC in pocket form and neither do 90% of consumers. So unless the cost and features are exactly the same, I'm not paying $800 for a device when I can do everything with $150 device. And let's be clear here, my $150 device with a bluetooth external keyboard can run everything and more that my PC could 10 years ago. If I need a bigger screen HDMI out plugs into my monitor. There is zero need for a surface pro except for a tiny tiny fraction of consumers.
 
2013-08-31 12:22:22 PM

Beerguy: I guess I am in no place to judge anyone....I just ordered a custom gaming desktop for $2500.


I'm the same way.  But I'm also cheap, so I build it myself to save money.  But then I use that money to buy more technology, so it's pretty much a wash.
 
2013-08-31 12:23:35 PM

Rustico: Our shop is MS pretty much all the way, so we early adopt almost everything.

The RT is a still-born platform.  Made absolutely no sense.

The PRO is a pretty good machine.  Stopped using my laptop entirely. I run everything I need on it, and can VPN into ours and our clients' networks to get where I need to be without any problems.

For a first gen release, the PRO is "adequate".  The two knocks on it are battery life and heat generation.  Both of these should be mostly solved with the release of the next generation with the Haswell chips.


The Pro once refined will find a niche in the artist/design/architect world/medical field for the digitizer alone.

At AT&T we all have Ipads, but their only real purpose is to connect to Citrix boxes to connect to windows desktops.  Which is a kludge, but I suppose we get ipads from Apple for next to nothing.
 
2013-08-31 12:27:05 PM

BullBearMS: They also have tons of Surface Pros in the warehouse.

That's why they already started cutting the price on both.


They cut the price on the RT because nobody wants them, in favor of the pro.  They're cutting the price on the pro because the second generation is going to be released soon.
 
2013-08-31 12:28:23 PM
Ha....Couldn't this whole product line be renamed - Zune 2.0 ?

The company has been riding on the shoulders of greatness for a decade.  Eventually they will run out of momentum and it is starting to show.
 
2013-08-31 12:37:17 PM
We did an eval on this POS. Nobody gets it. Nobody got it.

Swing and a miss!
 
2013-08-31 12:38:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT2O-CD9Ga4

$297 on Sale with the Keyboard Dock, 32GB internal.

www.asus.com

Has an nice USB port on the side for normal mouse use, or anything that USB. SD Card and MicroSD Card Slot, already got 2 32gb cards of each time, so it will be packing 96GB.

Here it is on Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007P4YAPK/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d0_i 1? pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1J67BEN52GX8NXZY8740&pf _rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1389517282&pf_rd_i=507846

Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich, 10.1 inches DisplayNVIDIA Tegra 3.0 1.2 GHz32 GB Flash Memory, 1 GB RAM Memory2.6 pounds (4 Main Cores which you can toggle for less power usage, + 1 low power backup core to run background stuff)
 
2013-08-31 12:46:11 PM
Ballmer is living legend.. Microsoft are going to lose millions by removing him.  He's making them brazillions of dollars.
 
2013-08-31 12:50:19 PM

Heliovdrake: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT2O-CD9Ga4

$297 on Sale with the Keyboard Dock, 32GB internal.

[www.asus.com image 500x500]

Has an nice USB port on the side for normal mouse use, or anything that USB. SD Card and MicroSD Card Slot, already got 2 32gb cards of each time, so it will be packing 96GB.

Here it is on Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007P4YAPK/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d0_i 1? pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1J67BEN52GX8NXZY8740&pf _rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1389517282&pf_rd_i=507846

Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich, 10.1 inches DisplayNVIDIA Tegra 3.0 1.2 GHz32 GB Flash Memory, 1 GB RAM Memory2.6 pounds (4 Main Cores which you can toggle for less power usage, + 1 low power backup core to run background stuff)


I am still rocking my HP Touchpad that I got for 150 bucks from the firesale.  I have it a case with a keyboard.

I was on a plane to Bogota in July and I pulled it out and the guy next to me said "is that the new ipad", I told him it was a prototype and showed him around webos, then I booted into android and he got pissed at me.
 
2013-08-31 12:51:51 PM
Put a Haswell in that sumbiatch and I'll have one a month from launch date. 

Even a new Bay Trail Atom would work.
 
2013-08-31 12:54:53 PM

worlddan: BullBearMS: xalres: It's a full featured laptop in a tablet form factor.

If it were a full featured laptop, it would have a real keyboard and trackpad.

If it were a real tablet, it would have tons of touch based apps, be much lighter, and have an all day battery life.

It's too compromised to do either job well.

Thank goodness the board finally fired Ballmer.

Once upon a time, back in 2000, I was a big fan of "convergence" because I thought that having everything in one place was awesome. In hindsight, I realize that I felt this way because 90% of what was out there wasn't very good so I might as well have all the shiat in one place. But as specialized items have improved, over the last five years I have embraced divergence again. I simply do not need a full fledged PC in pocket form and neither do 90% of consumers. So unless the cost and features are exactly the same, I'm not paying $800 for a device when I can do everything with $150 device. And let's be clear here, my $150 device with a bluetooth external keyboard can run everything and more that my PC could 10 years ago. If I need a bigger screen HDMI out plugs into my monitor. There is zero need for a surface pro except for a tiny tiny fraction of consumers.


I guess I'm that tiny fraction. I love being able to carry around something that can run Visual Studio, SQL Server, IIS and my graphics software at the same time. A mobile programming platform.
 
2013-08-31 01:02:03 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Microsoft had its chance to be competitive with the iPad with Courier


www.itespresso.it

That thing would be a damn near must-have for students. Only problem would be the same that plagues most mobile devices... the screen sucks up most of the battery life, and there are two of them in that. Even still, would've been sweet.
 
2013-08-31 01:02:08 PM
"September is coming."

-Tim Cook
 
2013-08-31 01:05:34 PM

Kit Fister: Still not buying a frakkin tablet that costs as much as a PC. I'd rather have an Ultrabook or a MacBook Air.


I just returned to school for a second degree.  Seeing as how I graduated the first time in 2001, I am pretty amazed at the number of textbooks I can buy as ebooks, and the price difference involved.  I'm getting by using my Kindle Fire and my laptop, but I'm really thinking about getting one of the tablet/laptop hybrids or convertibles.  I'd like to read the books like a tablet, but be able to switch immediately to laptop to complete embedded exercises.

I've looked at the Dell XPS convertible, but I've read that the touchpad sucks and the screen can get glitchy when flipped.  The other one I'm strongly considering is the Lenovo Yoga (which is less expensive).  The only downside on that one seems to be that it leaves the keys exposed when in tablet mode.

Any farkers have any suggestions?  Aside from the above-mentioned need to convert, I also need to be able to run Office 365, have flash support, and have at least one USB port.
 
2013-08-31 01:06:20 PM

xalres: worlddan: BullBearMS: xalres: It's a full featured laptop in a tablet form factor.

If it were a full featured laptop, it would have a real keyboard and trackpad.

If it were a real tablet, it would have tons of touch based apps, be much lighter, and have an all day battery life.

It's too compromised to do either job well.

Thank goodness the board finally fired Ballmer.

Once upon a time, back in 2000, I was a big fan of "convergence" because I thought that having everything in one place was awesome. In hindsight, I realize that I felt this way because 90% of what was out there wasn't very good so I might as well have all the shiat in one place. But as specialized items have improved, over the last five years I have embraced divergence again. I simply do not need a full fledged PC in pocket form and neither do 90% of consumers. So unless the cost and features are exactly the same, I'm not paying $800 for a device when I can do everything with $150 device. And let's be clear here, my $150 device with a bluetooth external keyboard can run everything and more that my PC could 10 years ago. If I need a bigger screen HDMI out plugs into my monitor. There is zero need for a surface pro except for a tiny tiny fraction of consumers.

I guess I'm that tiny fraction. I love being able to carry around something that can run Visual Studio, SQL Server, IIS and my graphics software at the same time. A mobile programming platform.


This. I mean, I will be getting a Windows tablet the next time around, because I want one device that can do the work I need it to do. I need to be able to run IDEs. I need to be able to design stuff. I need to be able to utilize a variety of inputs (touch, haptics, keyboard/mouse, pen). I need to be able to run more complex programs. Currently, neither Apple nor any of Google's OEM partners have a solution for me. And guys like me are the guys who make all of your damned "media consumption" mode of tablet use possible.

It's great that everyone loves to judge Microsoft for the problems of the first-gen Surface tablets, but no one ever pauses to think of the fact that they're currently trying to push the envelope of what's truly possible with the tablet form factor. Apple's been content to more or less hold still with the iPad, and Android remains a workable but chaotic mess as an ecosystem.
 
2013-08-31 01:09:10 PM

gingerjet: mongbiohazard: It's stupid how they expect RT to compete with the iPad and Android tablets, when really their biggest advantage is the Pro tablets being able to run regular windows programs. When I'm shopping for a tablet a crippled Windows 8 does not appeal to me, but a full Windows 8 tablet does. But then I see the pricetag, and even at $800 that's more than iOS or Android devices. If they want to stay in the game they should price their Win 8 Pro tablets competitively with iOS and Android - stick around $500 or preferably less. If they can't do that then maybe they should be focussing on something else.

The real problem with Microsofts approach is that people are discovering they don't need Microsoft Office anymore.  So being able to run "regular" windows programs that aren't optimized for touchscreen is really not an advantage for them.  They need to create new versions of their apps instead of just porting over the bloated pieces of shiat.

/the only remaining program of Microsofts office suite I still regularly use is Visio and Microsoft has turned even that into a bloated piece of shiat.
//don't get me started on "ribbons"


Sure, but there's a lot more than MS Office you can run on a PC. I usually use Google Docs myself, but on a full Windows tablet I'd love to be able to watch media with Zoom Player, browse my LAN directly, install Steam, play some games, rip MP3's, read comics.... whatever. Pretty much everything BUT using MS Office, for which even if I was going to use it I'd prefer to sit at a desk and use a real mouse and keyboard.
 
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