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(Mediaite)   Robbers break into car, homeowner chases after them in his underwear, neighbor helpfully shoots homeowner   (mediaite.com ) divider line 19
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2013-08-31 08:52:39 AM  
4 votes:
From the original story, the confusion is a bit more understandable. it appears the car owner showed up at the neighbor's door in his underwear with the gun when the neighbor shot him.

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Owasso-man-shot-by-neighbor-af te r-chasing/GSTXcPfSuUKNEV5h_AFr2g.cspx

From the linked article:
"Snow was worried enough to bang on Jimmy Null's door in the middle of the night.
Null grabbed his 12 gauge shotgun when he saw a man with a gun in his underwear.
'I guess just in the hype of everything taking place, when the guy reached for his own gun, the homeowner at that time fired a shot trying to protect himself and his family,' said (Tulsa County Sheriff's Dept. Major Shannon)Clark."

In Oklahoma, if a guy shows up at your door in underwear and with a gun, your first thought is "meth!"
2013-08-31 11:05:00 AM  
2 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: capt.hollister: "Snow is expected to make a recovery, Null isn't facing charges,"

Why ?
IMO, almost anywhere in the civilized world, the neighbour would be facing charges.

He didn't commit a crime, numbnuts

Yeah, it's not like he assaulted his neighbor with a deadly weapon or anything


His neighbor was at his door brandishing a weapon.
2013-08-31 10:49:49 AM  
2 votes:

capt.hollister: "Snow is expected to make a recovery, Null isn't facing charges,"

Why ?
IMO, almost anywhere in the civilized world, the neighbour would be facing charges.


He didn't commit a crime, numbnuts
2013-08-31 10:49:02 AM  
2 votes:
"Snow is expected to make a recovery, Null isn't facing charges,"

Why ?
IMO, almost anywhere in the civilized world, the neighbour would be facing charges.
2013-08-31 08:42:19 AM  
2 votes:
This is why you mind your own damn business and save the gunfire for protecting your own property.
2013-08-31 08:38:15 AM  
2 votes:

ubermensch: I don't believe it. I've been told numerous times that gun owners always get the right man. FALSE FLAG!


No one ever says that, what they do say is that armed citizens shoot innocent people far less often that police do.

This particular case is a good reason to be careful involving yourself with a 3rd party when it comes to self defense though.
2013-08-31 08:16:52 AM  
2 votes:
He had been waiting for an excuse ever since the guy's dog pooped in his yard 6 years ago.
2013-08-31 08:03:47 AM  
2 votes:
I've had a few neighbors, that if I had seen them outside with an opportunity to settle a score, well . .

I've said too much.
2013-08-31 07:59:26 AM  
2 votes:
If only there was someone there with a gun to have stopped this neighbor.
2013-08-31 07:39:07 PM  
1 vote:

ubermensch: I don't believe it. I've been told numerous times that gun owners always get the right man. FALSE FLAG!


Well, I've always limited my remarks to that gun owners, specifically CCW holders, have a much better rates for not hitting innocents, to the point that I've never heard of a news story where one hit an innocent.

Well, I guess I can't say that anymore, though this story is still a bit unsettled, as the story itself goes to pains to mention.  Given that Jimmy Null grabbed a shotgun as opposed to a handgun, he might not be a CCW type himself.

Headso: Oklahoma has open carry, what he was doing was perfectly legal and the guy shot him.


Open carry isn't brandishing, and brandishing isn't open carry.  It's still illegal to brandish a firearm because it puts others in fear of your weapon.  If I somehow end up in the position of having to bang on a neighbor's door at night in my underwear while carrying a gun, I'm putting the gun down first.  Well, it looks like he did per Nina_Hartley's_Ass, but like a dumbass he picked it up again.

capt.hollister: And that is enough to shoot your neighbour ? don't ask questions, don't assess the situation, just shoot ? the man was not menacing anyone, he was agitated because of the burglary he had just suffered. And there is probably a difference between "brandishing" a gun and holding a gun in your hands, but In a paranoid society someone holding a gun is always going to be perceived as brandishing it.


1.  There isn't always time to ask questions
2.  He assessed the situation; per reports he didn't fire until Snow picked the gun up.  He was probably telling Snow NOT to pick it up.
3.  Agitated & armed is threatening.  Especially when the firearm is in your hands.
4.  Context is everything.  I give Null the benefit of the doubt because I figure that Snow picked the pistol up by the grip, and might of been moving like he was going to point it at Null.

Look, smart gun owners follow certain etiquette when it comes to firearms to avoid 'brandishing' their firearms, and running around in your underwear without a holster undermines that much like how being in your underwear in public is generally seen as impolite anyways.

B.Stroganoff: So apparently it is legal in Oklahoma to shoot random people running down the street.


Not so much; further reports is that Snow was pounding on Null's door and was shot when he picked his pistol back up.

Personally, I'm not shooting somebody running down the street like that, but I'm a lot more likely to if they're pounding on my door.
2013-08-31 02:37:12 PM  
1 vote:

capt.hollister: Girion47: cameroncrazy1984: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: capt.hollister: "Snow is expected to make a recovery, Null isn't facing charges,"

Why ?
IMO, almost anywhere in the civilized world, the neighbour would be facing charges.

He didn't commit a crime, numbnuts

Yeah, it's not like he assaulted his neighbor with a deadly weapon or anything

His neighbor was at his door brandishing a weapon.

And that is enough to shoot your neighbour ? don't ask questions, don't assess the situation, just shoot ? the man was not menacing anyone, he was agitated because of the burglary he had just suffered. And there is probably a difference between "brandishing" a gun and holding a gun in your hands, but In a paranoid society someone holding a gun is always going to be perceived as brandishing it.


Stop being an idiot. You go pound on a neighbor's door in the middle of the night screaming like a lunatic in your chonies, and ignoring the perturbed guy with the shotgun's repeated warnings to not pick your gun back up. See how that works out for you.

The guy who got shot was the criminally stupid one, not the shooter. He's lucky it was a grazing shot and not meant to kill, at point-blank he should be dead.
2013-08-31 01:52:13 PM  
1 vote:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Silverstaff: Why the fark do people on Fark think that in an "open carry" state you can run around with a gun however you want with no consequences?

Ask the guy who got shot.


Between this thread and the thread yesterday about the Teabagger who stood on an overpass with anti-Obama signs while carrying a gun and went full Potato when arrested for it, it seems a lot of Farkers don't seem to understand the idea that "open carry" does NOT mean you can run around with a gun in your hands and nobody will say or do anything about it.
2013-08-31 12:21:22 PM  
1 vote:
Neighbor's name Zimmerman?
2013-08-31 11:56:07 AM  
1 vote:

Headso: Girion47: cameroncrazy1984: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: capt.hollister: "Snow is expected to make a recovery, Null isn't facing charges,"

Why ?
IMO, almost anywhere in the civilized world, the neighbour would be facing charges.

He didn't commit a crime, numbnuts

Yeah, it's not like he assaulted his neighbor with a deadly weapon or anything

His neighbor was at his door brandishing a weapon.

Oklahoma has open carry, what he was doing was perfectly legal and the guy shot him.


Open carry doesn't mean you can walk around with it in your hand.

Or do you think he was wearing a holster over his underwear?
2013-08-31 10:54:24 AM  
1 vote:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: capt.hollister: "Snow is expected to make a recovery, Null isn't facing charges,"

Why ?
IMO, almost anywhere in the civilized world, the neighbour would be facing charges.

He didn't commit a crime, numbnuts


Yeah, it's not like he assaulted his neighbor with a deadly weapon or anything
2013-08-31 10:40:17 AM  
1 vote:

Thank goodness everyone was armed!

2013-08-31 09:11:29 AM  
1 vote:
There should be a German word for the disparity between the hero fantasy mind of gun owners and the reality of what actually happens.
2013-08-31 08:37:15 AM  
1 vote:
Reading that made my head hurt.
2013-08-31 08:08:23 AM  
1 vote:
Polite society, my ass.
 
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