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(Mediaite)   Robbers break into car, homeowner chases after them in his underwear, neighbor helpfully shoots homeowner   (mediaite.com) divider line 55
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2013-09-01 07:48:23 AM  
Here's a thought:

Late at night hear someone banging on the door. Look through peephole, see agitated guy only wearing underwear standing on front porch. If you decide to open the door and you see a gun on the ground you promptly shut the door, turn around, find the nearest phone and call 911. From that point you could A. go back to bed and let the professionals sort things out or B. Sit in your living room with your shotgun across your lap in case you're paranoid the guy will come crawling in your window. If you chose not to open the door in the first place, congratulations, you are an intelligent person and should be commended. Only an idiot or wanna-be hero would try to resolve that situation with their own gun.

I've grown up with guns my whole life, I love guns, but these idiots are trying to ruin it. It's as if they want to get the government to impose more strict gun laws.
 
2013-09-01 12:46:45 PM  

foxyshadis: capt.hollister: Girion47: cameroncrazy1984: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: capt.hollister: "Snow is expected to make a recovery, Null isn't facing charges,"

Why ?
IMO, almost anywhere in the civilized world, the neighbour would be facing charges.

He didn't commit a crime, numbnuts

Yeah, it's not like he assaulted his neighbor with a deadly weapon or anything

His neighbor was at his door brandishing a weapon.

And that is enough to shoot your neighbour ? don't ask questions, don't assess the situation, just shoot ? the man was not menacing anyone, he was agitated because of the burglary he had just suffered. And there is probably a difference between "brandishing" a gun and holding a gun in your hands, but In a paranoid society someone holding a gun is always going to be perceived as brandishing it.

Stop being an idiot. You go pound on a neighbor's door in the middle of the night screaming like a lunatic in your chonies, and ignoring the perturbed guy with the shotgun's repeated warnings to not pick your gun back up. See how that works out for you.

The guy who got shot was the criminally stupid one, not the shooter. He's lucky it was a grazing shot and not meant to kill, at point-blank he should be dead.


Firethorn:

capt.hollister: And that is enough to shoot your neighbour ? don't ask questions, don't assess the situation, just shoot ? the man was not menacing anyone, he was agitated because of the burglary he had just suffered. And there is probably a difference between "brandishing" a gun and holding a gun in your hands, but In a paranoid society someone holding a gun is always going to be perceived as brandishing it.

1.  There isn't always time to ask questions
2.  He assessed the situation; per reports he didn't fire until Snow picked the gun up.  He was probably telling Snow NOT to pick it up.
3.  Agitated & armed is threatening.  Especially when the firearm is in your hands.
4.  Context is everything.  I give Null the benefit of the doubt because I figure that Snow picked the pistol up by the grip, and might of been moving like he was going to point it at Null.

Look, smart gun owners follow certain etiquette when it comes to fir ...


The US gun culture and the willingness of some (though I'm pretty sure it's not the majority) to defend all actions involving guns is very difficult to comprehend.

I'm so glad that all those years ago my parents chose to move to Canada instead of south of the border. You see, in this country if I shoot at my neighbour I expect that there will be repercussions. At the very least there would be an investigation of my actions. It is very likely that charges will be brought against me and a judge will rule on whether or not I was justified. Whatever happens, though, that decision will not be up to the cops who respond to the 911 call. Shooting at another person is not ever a trivial matter that should be dismissed out of hand as seems to be the case here.

Then again, I don't live in a paranoid society and I don't live in fear of my neighbours.

Special love note for Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: my right foot has been in a cast for the past three months with at least another six weeks to go, so it is indeed a little numb, but, thankfully, my nuts are fine.

/Yes, I know, you guys are also glad I don't live in the US.
 
2013-09-01 03:00:52 PM  
What do you know about chasing criminals, Josh Snow??

Classic example breaking the 4 rules of firearms safety; not knowing your target. If you are intervening on behalf of another, be you civilian or police, you have to remind yourself that the first guy you see with a gun might not be the bad guy.
 
2013-09-01 06:30:31 PM  

capt.hollister: You see, in this country if I shoot at my neighbour I expect that there will be repercussions

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I think you don't have much concept of the self-defense rules up in Canada.  You see, I figure that given the circumstances Null would have been fine even in Canada.  We don't know if Null had family, was calling 911, etc...  But in general 'castle doctrine' applies even in Canada, and by that I mean the simple policy that you're not expected to retreat from your own house in the face of illegal aggression.  In addition, besides the various reasons to be alarmed about Snow, up in Canada he would be illegally carrying that handgun, and the shotgun Null used could have very well been a Canada-legal one pulled quickly from the safe and loaded with the available birdshot(reason why wound wasn't fatal).

Basically, there were repercussions:  Null was probably taken into custody while the police investigated, Null's story collaborated with the rest of the evidence and the police/prosecutor decided it was self defense.  No different than if Null had struck Snow in the head with a baseball bat for trying to force his way into the house while carrying a firearm.

Then again, I'm going off the assumption that Snow wasn't just running down the street, but that the latter reports that he was pounding on Null's door, while in his underwear and agitated and carrying a firearm is the closest to truth.

capt.hollister: Then again, I don't live in a paranoid society and I don't live in fear of my neighbours.


You know, it's funny how you guys all seem to assume all gun owners must live in some sort of fear?  I don't live in fear of my neighbors.  Heck, my current biggest fear is whether heating system will fail and all my pipes will freeze in the winter.

capt.hollister: /Yes, I know, you guys are also glad I don't live in the US.


Why?  At least you're not a troll or methhead.
 
2013-09-01 07:51:54 PM  

kellyclan: What do you know about chasing criminals, Josh Snow??

Classic example breaking the 4 rules of firearms safety; not knowing your target. If you are intervening on behalf of another, be you civilian or police, you have to remind yourself that the first guy you see with a gun might not be the bad guy.


Add: Ah, I didn't read the second link where the guy was pounding on his neighbor's door for some strange reason. If a guy with a gun in his skivvies is banging on my door, I'd probably feel his was a threat too.
 
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