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2013-08-31 07:59:23 AM
/Expect a Will Ferrell movie version soon.
 
2013-08-31 07:59:26 AM
If only there was someone there with a gun to have stopped this neighbor.
 
2013-08-31 08:03:47 AM
I've had a few neighbors, that if I had seen them outside with an opportunity to settle a score, well . .

I've said too much.
 
2013-08-31 08:06:31 AM
I don't believe it. I've been told numerous times that gun owners always get the right man. FALSE FLAG!
 
2013-08-31 08:06:42 AM
Dumbass tag was annoying so we got rid of it.  Michael Jordan approves.
 
2013-08-31 08:08:23 AM
Polite society, my ass.
 
2013-08-31 08:15:14 AM
Nice non-article about a total non-event.
 
2013-08-31 08:16:52 AM
He had been waiting for an excuse ever since the guy's dog pooped in his yard 6 years ago.
 
2013-08-31 08:21:53 AM
Because responsible gun-owners, that's why.
 
2013-08-31 08:23:35 AM
Put 'em in schools, I say.
 
2013-08-31 08:37:15 AM
Reading that made my head hurt.
 
2013-08-31 08:38:15 AM

ubermensch: I don't believe it. I've been told numerous times that gun owners always get the right man. FALSE FLAG!


No one ever says that, what they do say is that armed citizens shoot innocent people far less often that police do.

This particular case is a good reason to be careful involving yourself with a 3rd party when it comes to self defense though.
 
2013-08-31 08:38:35 AM
He got Nullified.
 
2013-08-31 08:42:19 AM
This is why you mind your own damn business and save the gunfire for protecting your own property.
 
2013-08-31 08:51:28 AM
How those robbers got into the homeowner's underwear, I'll never know.
 
2013-08-31 08:52:39 AM
From the original story, the confusion is a bit more understandable. it appears the car owner showed up at the neighbor's door in his underwear with the gun when the neighbor shot him.

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Owasso-man-shot-by-neighbor-af te r-chasing/GSTXcPfSuUKNEV5h_AFr2g.cspx

From the linked article:
"Snow was worried enough to bang on Jimmy Null's door in the middle of the night.
Null grabbed his 12 gauge shotgun when he saw a man with a gun in his underwear.
'I guess just in the hype of everything taking place, when the guy reached for his own gun, the homeowner at that time fired a shot trying to protect himself and his family,' said (Tulsa County Sheriff's Dept. Major Shannon)Clark."

In Oklahoma, if a guy shows up at your door in underwear and with a gun, your first thought is "meth!"
 
2013-08-31 09:11:29 AM
There should be a German word for the disparity between the hero fantasy mind of gun owners and the reality of what actually happens.
 
2013-08-31 09:14:03 AM

Yakk: There should be a German word for the disparity between the hero fantasy mind of gun owners and the reality of what actually happens.


Ausgelassen?
 
2013-08-31 09:18:19 AM
This is why you always wear Kevlar underwear.
 
2013-08-31 09:30:44 AM
Well, most of the time they shoot the right person.

Folks, that is not an excuse.
 
2013-08-31 09:52:10 AM

austin_millbarge: If only there was someone there with a gun to have stopped this neighbor.


Then someone with a gun to stop the neighbor who stopped that neighbor.

Then someone with a gun to stop the other person with a gun who stopped the neighbor who stopped the first neighbor.

MOAR GUNS!

/the answer is always MORE GUNS
 
2013-08-31 10:05:01 AM

Rattlehead: Put 'em in schools, I say.


Duck, I say
 
2013-08-31 10:40:17 AM
Thank goodness everyone was armed!
 
2013-08-31 10:48:47 AM
Armageddon!
 
2013-08-31 10:49:02 AM
"Snow is expected to make a recovery, Null isn't facing charges,"

Why ?
IMO, almost anywhere in the civilized world, the neighbour would be facing charges.
 
2013-08-31 10:49:49 AM

capt.hollister: "Snow is expected to make a recovery, Null isn't facing charges,"

Why ?
IMO, almost anywhere in the civilized world, the neighbour would be facing charges.


He didn't commit a crime, numbnuts
 
2013-08-31 10:54:24 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: capt.hollister: "Snow is expected to make a recovery, Null isn't facing charges,"

Why ?
IMO, almost anywhere in the civilized world, the neighbour would be facing charges.

He didn't commit a crime, numbnuts


Yeah, it's not like he assaulted his neighbor with a deadly weapon or anything
 
2013-08-31 11:05:00 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: capt.hollister: "Snow is expected to make a recovery, Null isn't facing charges,"

Why ?
IMO, almost anywhere in the civilized world, the neighbour would be facing charges.

He didn't commit a crime, numbnuts

Yeah, it's not like he assaulted his neighbor with a deadly weapon or anything


His neighbor was at his door brandishing a weapon.
 
2013-08-31 11:07:39 AM

stilted: In Oklahoma, if a guy shows up at your door in underwear and with a gun, your first thought is "meth!"


What a great time to be alive!
 
2013-08-31 11:11:25 AM

Girion47: cameroncrazy1984: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: capt.hollister: "Snow is expected to make a recovery, Null isn't facing charges,"

Why ?
IMO, almost anywhere in the civilized world, the neighbour would be facing charges.

He didn't commit a crime, numbnuts

Yeah, it's not like he assaulted his neighbor with a deadly weapon or anything

His neighbor was at his door brandishing a weapon.


Oklahoma has open carry, what he was doing was perfectly legal and the guy shot him.
 
2013-08-31 11:14:02 AM
 
2013-08-31 11:53:36 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "It's still a little unclear to us, but he said that during the chase, he came into contact with another group of people who began to give chase to him," Clark said. "During this time he ran to a nearby home asking for help."

Clark said that homeowner, Jimmy Null, saw Snow, clad only in his underwear and armed with a handgun, at his door. Null grabbed a shotgun and "told (Snow) multiple times, "Don't reach for your gun! Don't reach for your gun!" Clark said.

Snow had placed the gun on the ground as he knocked on the door, Clark said. "I guess in the excitement of the moment, (Snow) goes to reach for the gun, so (Null) fired one shot and struck him."

Responsible gun owners.


One story completes the trifecta of stupid.
 
2013-08-31 11:56:07 AM

Headso: Girion47: cameroncrazy1984: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: capt.hollister: "Snow is expected to make a recovery, Null isn't facing charges,"

Why ?
IMO, almost anywhere in the civilized world, the neighbour would be facing charges.

He didn't commit a crime, numbnuts

Yeah, it's not like he assaulted his neighbor with a deadly weapon or anything

His neighbor was at his door brandishing a weapon.

Oklahoma has open carry, what he was doing was perfectly legal and the guy shot him.


Open carry doesn't mean you can walk around with it in your hand.

Or do you think he was wearing a holster over his underwear?
 
2013-08-31 12:15:59 PM
I kinda wish everyone in this story had died in a kind of Tarantino esque gunfight.
 
2013-08-31 12:21:22 PM
Neighbor's name Zimmerman?
 
2013-08-31 01:10:52 PM

Headso: Girion47: cameroncrazy1984: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: capt.hollister: "Snow is expected to make a recovery, Null isn't facing charges,"

Why ?
IMO, almost anywhere in the civilized world, the neighbour would be facing charges.

He didn't commit a crime, numbnuts

Yeah, it's not like he assaulted his neighbor with a deadly weapon or anything

His neighbor was at his door brandishing a weapon.

Oklahoma has open carry, what he was doing was perfectly legal and the guy shot him.


Middle of the night and there's a guy in his underwear pounding on your door and yelling, while holding a gun?

Even in an open carry state that's going to get you shot/arrested. . .and at the hospital/jail they'll sort it out.

Why the fark do people on Fark think that in an "open carry" state you can run around with a gun however you want with no consequences?  If people (including Law Enforcement) think you're up to no good, they'll treat you like you're up to no good. "Carry" doesn't mean brandishing, pointing at people, waving it around as a prop for an anti-government protest or otherwise getting all derpy.  "Open Carry" means you've got it in a holster at your side or otherwise stored but in plain sight, but you don't have it out and aren't about to use it.  Pull it out and you better be 100% sure you're doing the right thing.
 
2013-08-31 01:12:07 PM

Yakk: There should be a German word for the disparity between the hero fantasy mind of gun owners and the reality of what actually happens.


Derpenfruede?
 
2013-08-31 01:25:23 PM
This is impossible.
We all know a GOOD GUY WITH A GUN always wins.
 
2013-08-31 01:27:27 PM

capt.hollister: "Snow is expected to make a recovery, Null isn't facing charges,"

Why ?
IMO, almost anywhere in the civilized world, the neighbour would be facing charges.


There's your answer
 
2013-08-31 01:30:09 PM

CaptainBeefheart: Yakk: There should be a German word for the disparity between the hero fantasy mind of gun owners and the reality of what actually happens.

Derpenfruede?


I like it!
 
2013-08-31 01:43:38 PM

Silverstaff: Why the fark do people on Fark think that in an "open carry" state you can run around with a gun however you want with no consequences?


Ask the guy who got shot.
 
2013-08-31 01:50:47 PM

Girion47: cameroncrazy1984: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: capt.hollister: "Snow is expected to make a recovery, Null isn't facing charges,"

Why ?
IMO, almost anywhere in the civilized world, the neighbour would be facing charges.

He didn't commit a crime, numbnuts

Yeah, it's not like he assaulted his neighbor with a deadly weapon or anything

His neighbor was at his door brandishing a weapon.


And that is enough to shoot your neighbour ? don't ask questions, don't assess the situation, just shoot ? the man was not menacing anyone, he was agitated because of the burglary he had just suffered. And there is probably a difference between "brandishing" a gun and holding a gun in your hands, but In a paranoid society someone holding a gun is always going to be perceived as brandishing it.
 
2013-08-31 01:52:13 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Silverstaff: Why the fark do people on Fark think that in an "open carry" state you can run around with a gun however you want with no consequences?

Ask the guy who got shot.


Between this thread and the thread yesterday about the Teabagger who stood on an overpass with anti-Obama signs while carrying a gun and went full Potato when arrested for it, it seems a lot of Farkers don't seem to understand the idea that "open carry" does NOT mean you can run around with a gun in your hands and nobody will say or do anything about it.
 
2013-08-31 02:06:56 PM

Silverstaff: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Silverstaff: Why the fark do people on Fark think that in an "open carry" state you can run around with a gun however you want with no consequences?

Ask the guy who got shot.

Between this thread and the thread yesterday about the Teabagger who stood on an overpass with anti-Obama signs while carrying a gun and went full Potato when arrested for it, it seems a lot of Farkers don't seem to understand the idea that "open carry" does NOT mean you can run around with a gun in your hands and nobody will say or do anything about it.


A lot of people (farkers included?) don't seem to know much of anything about gun laws in general. 

Can't comment on the article myself because I can't figure out what actually happened. Glad everyone is okay though.
 
2013-08-31 02:37:12 PM

capt.hollister: Girion47: cameroncrazy1984: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: capt.hollister: "Snow is expected to make a recovery, Null isn't facing charges,"

Why ?
IMO, almost anywhere in the civilized world, the neighbour would be facing charges.

He didn't commit a crime, numbnuts

Yeah, it's not like he assaulted his neighbor with a deadly weapon or anything

His neighbor was at his door brandishing a weapon.

And that is enough to shoot your neighbour ? don't ask questions, don't assess the situation, just shoot ? the man was not menacing anyone, he was agitated because of the burglary he had just suffered. And there is probably a difference between "brandishing" a gun and holding a gun in your hands, but In a paranoid society someone holding a gun is always going to be perceived as brandishing it.


Stop being an idiot. You go pound on a neighbor's door in the middle of the night screaming like a lunatic in your chonies, and ignoring the perturbed guy with the shotgun's repeated warnings to not pick your gun back up. See how that works out for you.

The guy who got shot was the criminally stupid one, not the shooter. He's lucky it was a grazing shot and not meant to kill, at point-blank he should be dead.
 
2013-08-31 03:09:54 PM
So apparently it is legal in Oklahoma to shoot random people running down the street.
 
2013-08-31 05:23:54 PM
Ready for burglars, not ready for the neighbors.
 
2013-08-31 07:39:07 PM

ubermensch: I don't believe it. I've been told numerous times that gun owners always get the right man. FALSE FLAG!


Well, I've always limited my remarks to that gun owners, specifically CCW holders, have a much better rates for not hitting innocents, to the point that I've never heard of a news story where one hit an innocent.

Well, I guess I can't say that anymore, though this story is still a bit unsettled, as the story itself goes to pains to mention.  Given that Jimmy Null grabbed a shotgun as opposed to a handgun, he might not be a CCW type himself.

Headso: Oklahoma has open carry, what he was doing was perfectly legal and the guy shot him.


Open carry isn't brandishing, and brandishing isn't open carry.  It's still illegal to brandish a firearm because it puts others in fear of your weapon.  If I somehow end up in the position of having to bang on a neighbor's door at night in my underwear while carrying a gun, I'm putting the gun down first.  Well, it looks like he did per Nina_Hartley's_Ass, but like a dumbass he picked it up again.

capt.hollister: And that is enough to shoot your neighbour ? don't ask questions, don't assess the situation, just shoot ? the man was not menacing anyone, he was agitated because of the burglary he had just suffered. And there is probably a difference between "brandishing" a gun and holding a gun in your hands, but In a paranoid society someone holding a gun is always going to be perceived as brandishing it.


1.  There isn't always time to ask questions
2.  He assessed the situation; per reports he didn't fire until Snow picked the gun up.  He was probably telling Snow NOT to pick it up.
3.  Agitated & armed is threatening.  Especially when the firearm is in your hands.
4.  Context is everything.  I give Null the benefit of the doubt because I figure that Snow picked the pistol up by the grip, and might of been moving like he was going to point it at Null.

Look, smart gun owners follow certain etiquette when it comes to firearms to avoid 'brandishing' their firearms, and running around in your underwear without a holster undermines that much like how being in your underwear in public is generally seen as impolite anyways.

B.Stroganoff: So apparently it is legal in Oklahoma to shoot random people running down the street.


Not so much; further reports is that Snow was pounding on Null's door and was shot when he picked his pistol back up.

Personally, I'm not shooting somebody running down the street like that, but I'm a lot more likely to if they're pounding on my door.
 
2013-09-01 02:36:35 AM

Firethorn: Look, smart gun owners follow certain etiquette when it comes to firearms to avoid 'brandishing' their firearms, and running around in your underwear without a holster undermines that much like how being in your underwear in public is generally seen as impolite anyways.


Sorry...

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...you were saying?
 
2013-09-01 05:37:25 AM

dbirchall: Sorry...

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...you were saying?


Excuse me, did you say something?  I was a bit distracted...  :)
 
2013-09-01 07:48:23 AM
Here's a thought:

Late at night hear someone banging on the door. Look through peephole, see agitated guy only wearing underwear standing on front porch. If you decide to open the door and you see a gun on the ground you promptly shut the door, turn around, find the nearest phone and call 911. From that point you could A. go back to bed and let the professionals sort things out or B. Sit in your living room with your shotgun across your lap in case you're paranoid the guy will come crawling in your window. If you chose not to open the door in the first place, congratulations, you are an intelligent person and should be commended. Only an idiot or wanna-be hero would try to resolve that situation with their own gun.

I've grown up with guns my whole life, I love guns, but these idiots are trying to ruin it. It's as if they want to get the government to impose more strict gun laws.
 
2013-09-01 12:46:45 PM

foxyshadis: capt.hollister: Girion47: cameroncrazy1984: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: capt.hollister: "Snow is expected to make a recovery, Null isn't facing charges,"

Why ?
IMO, almost anywhere in the civilized world, the neighbour would be facing charges.

He didn't commit a crime, numbnuts

Yeah, it's not like he assaulted his neighbor with a deadly weapon or anything

His neighbor was at his door brandishing a weapon.

And that is enough to shoot your neighbour ? don't ask questions, don't assess the situation, just shoot ? the man was not menacing anyone, he was agitated because of the burglary he had just suffered. And there is probably a difference between "brandishing" a gun and holding a gun in your hands, but In a paranoid society someone holding a gun is always going to be perceived as brandishing it.

Stop being an idiot. You go pound on a neighbor's door in the middle of the night screaming like a lunatic in your chonies, and ignoring the perturbed guy with the shotgun's repeated warnings to not pick your gun back up. See how that works out for you.

The guy who got shot was the criminally stupid one, not the shooter. He's lucky it was a grazing shot and not meant to kill, at point-blank he should be dead.


Firethorn:

capt.hollister: And that is enough to shoot your neighbour ? don't ask questions, don't assess the situation, just shoot ? the man was not menacing anyone, he was agitated because of the burglary he had just suffered. And there is probably a difference between "brandishing" a gun and holding a gun in your hands, but In a paranoid society someone holding a gun is always going to be perceived as brandishing it.

1.  There isn't always time to ask questions
2.  He assessed the situation; per reports he didn't fire until Snow picked the gun up.  He was probably telling Snow NOT to pick it up.
3.  Agitated & armed is threatening.  Especially when the firearm is in your hands.
4.  Context is everything.  I give Null the benefit of the doubt because I figure that Snow picked the pistol up by the grip, and might of been moving like he was going to point it at Null.

Look, smart gun owners follow certain etiquette when it comes to fir ...


The US gun culture and the willingness of some (though I'm pretty sure it's not the majority) to defend all actions involving guns is very difficult to comprehend.

I'm so glad that all those years ago my parents chose to move to Canada instead of south of the border. You see, in this country if I shoot at my neighbour I expect that there will be repercussions. At the very least there would be an investigation of my actions. It is very likely that charges will be brought against me and a judge will rule on whether or not I was justified. Whatever happens, though, that decision will not be up to the cops who respond to the 911 call. Shooting at another person is not ever a trivial matter that should be dismissed out of hand as seems to be the case here.

Then again, I don't live in a paranoid society and I don't live in fear of my neighbours.

Special love note for Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: my right foot has been in a cast for the past three months with at least another six weeks to go, so it is indeed a little numb, but, thankfully, my nuts are fine.

/Yes, I know, you guys are also glad I don't live in the US.
 
2013-09-01 03:00:52 PM
What do you know about chasing criminals, Josh Snow??

Classic example breaking the 4 rules of firearms safety; not knowing your target. If you are intervening on behalf of another, be you civilian or police, you have to remind yourself that the first guy you see with a gun might not be the bad guy.
 
2013-09-01 06:30:31 PM

capt.hollister: You see, in this country if I shoot at my neighbour I expect that there will be repercussions

.

I think you don't have much concept of the self-defense rules up in Canada.  You see, I figure that given the circumstances Null would have been fine even in Canada.  We don't know if Null had family, was calling 911, etc...  But in general 'castle doctrine' applies even in Canada, and by that I mean the simple policy that you're not expected to retreat from your own house in the face of illegal aggression.  In addition, besides the various reasons to be alarmed about Snow, up in Canada he would be illegally carrying that handgun, and the shotgun Null used could have very well been a Canada-legal one pulled quickly from the safe and loaded with the available birdshot(reason why wound wasn't fatal).

Basically, there were repercussions:  Null was probably taken into custody while the police investigated, Null's story collaborated with the rest of the evidence and the police/prosecutor decided it was self defense.  No different than if Null had struck Snow in the head with a baseball bat for trying to force his way into the house while carrying a firearm.

Then again, I'm going off the assumption that Snow wasn't just running down the street, but that the latter reports that he was pounding on Null's door, while in his underwear and agitated and carrying a firearm is the closest to truth.

capt.hollister: Then again, I don't live in a paranoid society and I don't live in fear of my neighbours.


You know, it's funny how you guys all seem to assume all gun owners must live in some sort of fear?  I don't live in fear of my neighbors.  Heck, my current biggest fear is whether heating system will fail and all my pipes will freeze in the winter.

capt.hollister: /Yes, I know, you guys are also glad I don't live in the US.


Why?  At least you're not a troll or methhead.
 
2013-09-01 07:51:54 PM

kellyclan: What do you know about chasing criminals, Josh Snow??

Classic example breaking the 4 rules of firearms safety; not knowing your target. If you are intervening on behalf of another, be you civilian or police, you have to remind yourself that the first guy you see with a gun might not be the bad guy.


Add: Ah, I didn't read the second link where the guy was pounding on his neighbor's door for some strange reason. If a guy with a gun in his skivvies is banging on my door, I'd probably feel his was a threat too.
 
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