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(Huffington Post Canada)   Majority of Canadians want looser pot laws. Majority of Americans: "Wait... Canada has pot laws?"   (huffingtonpost.ca) divider line 91
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2013-08-31 08:53:19 AM
I'm pretty sure the US threatens them to keep it illegal.
 
2013-08-31 08:54:18 AM
We probably would have legalized it years ago if the U.S didn't threaten to basically close their border to us if we did.
 
2013-08-31 08:55:13 AM
Meh, I got no problem with legalizing it.  Those who enjoy the Mary Jane, on the other hand, may want to remember that taxes and regulations come along with it.
 
2013-08-31 09:00:24 AM

Flappyhead: Those who enjoy the Mary Jane, on the other hand, may want to remember that taxes and regulations come along with it.


It beats the fines and/or jail time if you're busted while it's illegal

/doesn't smoke weed
//does drink
///drinking's worse
 
2013-08-31 09:00:34 AM

Flappyhead: Meh, I got no problem with legalizing it.  Those who enjoy the Mary Jane, on the other hand, may want to remember that taxes and regulations come along with it.


Unless you want to grow your own. It's, like, a WEED, maaaaannn.
 
2013-08-31 09:05:02 AM
This includes most of the RCMP. They don't want to deal with it, they have better things to do.

/ Okay but seriously it is a noxious smell issue for apartment buildings and hotels and such.
 
2013-08-31 09:08:46 AM

Mugato: Flappyhead: Those who enjoy the Mary Jane, on the other hand, may want to remember that taxes and regulations come along with it.

It beats the fines and/or jail time if you're busted while it's illegal

/doesn't smoke weed
//does drink
///drinking's worse

ghare: Flappyhead: Meh, I got no problem with legalizing it.  Those who enjoy the Mary Jane, on the other hand, may want to remember that taxes and regulations come along with it.

Unless you want to grow your own. It's, like, a WEED, maaaaannn.


Yes but there is where the problem lies.  Does the government let you grow your own stash, or does it regulate the growth and distribution?  Considering how the government currently runs it's own grow-ops for medicinal use you'd better pray they let small independent growers handle things.

For those of you who don't know, they grow it in a mine, toss the whole plant into a wood chipper then bathe it in UV before bagging and shipping to medicinal users.

No I'm not making that up.
 
2013-08-31 09:10:48 AM

Flappyhead: Meh, I got no problem with legalizing it.  Those who enjoy the Mary Jane, on the other hand, may want to remember that taxes and regulations come along with it.


Would be pretty hard for the government to argue they have to produce it in order to make sure it's done properly, like they did with alcohol.
 
2013-08-31 09:23:02 AM
Or regulate its production, even.
 
2013-08-31 09:23:10 AM
'Marijuana is the flame, heroin is the fuse, LSD is the bomb'
 
2013-08-31 09:43:16 AM

Mugato: Flappyhead: Those who enjoy the Mary Jane, on the other hand, may want to remember that taxes and regulations come along with it.

It beats the fines and/or jail time if you're busted while it's illegal

/doesn't smoke weed
//does drink
///drinking's worse


Just because you may support something that's against our draconian drug laws doesn't mean you need to identify yourself as someone that doesn't do drugs. It's in the same realm of thought as saying, I support gay marriage, but I'm not gay, nope, no way, that's gross.
 
2013-08-31 09:45:28 AM
it's a sign that i've been on fark too long when i read "looser" and thought it was simply a submittard misspelling "loser."
 
2013-08-31 09:47:12 AM

FlashHarry: it's a sign that i've been on fark too long when i read "looser" and thought it was simply a submittard misspelling "loser."


Me too. But it works that way too, meaning the gov't's losing the war on drugs.
 
2013-08-31 09:54:35 AM

Flappyhead: Meh, I got no problem with legalizing it.  Those who enjoy the Mary Jane, on the other hand, may want to remember that taxes and regulations come along with it.


Well, right now it's funding terrorism and civil war in Mexico, among other places, as well as the 100% rule, it will be much less expensive after legalization, even with a 100% tax on it (which I can only hope they do with tobacco as well).
 
2013-08-31 10:15:37 AM

Flappyhead: Meh, I got no problem with legalizing it.  Those who enjoy the Mary Jane, on the other hand, may want to remember that taxes and regulations come along with it.


That's all fine and good. But no worries, if an overly restrictive regime is put into place which only allows large, corporate growers to enter the marketplace, the black market for cannabis will continue to thrive as it always has, if even just out of spite. Since it's relatively easy to grow, the government can only tax and regulate it so much before the black market starts to make more economic sense again.
 
2013-08-31 10:21:10 AM

Zeno-25: Since it's relatively easy to grow, the government can only tax and regulate it so much before the black market starts to make more economic sense again.


Yeah, I pretty much agree. After all, people don't make moonshine because it's a better whiskey. They make it because they think the legitimate stuff is too tightly regulated and too heavily taxed.
 
2013-08-31 10:27:59 AM

Zeno-25: Flappyhead: Meh, I got no problem with legalizing it.  Those who enjoy the Mary Jane, on the other hand, may want to remember that taxes and regulations come along with it.

That's all fine and good. But no worries, if an overly restrictive regime is put into place which only allows large, corporate growers to enter the marketplace, the black market for cannabis will continue to thrive as it always has, if even just out of spite. Since it's relatively easy to grow, the government can only tax and regulate it so much before the black market starts to make more economic sense again.


You know you can make alcohol in the toilet with fruit juice and bread? Yet there isn't a huge market for toilet alcohol even though it would be a lot cheaper than the alcohol available in your local ABC store.

Yes, it is easy to grow a marijuana plant. No, it is not easy to grow something worth smoking. There won't be a black market for ditch weed when cannabis is legalized. The govt will provide the mass produced ditch weed, and small micro growers will provide the better product at a premium price. I will not be surprised if the medical grade cannabis doesn't decrease in price at all.

Just like any asshole with a home brewers kit isn't going to be brewing any Chimay, every idiot who tosses some seeds into their backyard isn't going to be growing any Kush. If you want good cannabis be ready to pay.
 
2013-08-31 10:34:29 AM
I would hope that they have pot laws.  I'm sure Canada has their own version of the FDA to make sure that what people injest isn't full of nasty shiat.
 
2013-08-31 10:35:04 AM

js34603: Yes, it is easy to grow a marijuana plant. No, it is not easy to grow something worth smoking. There won't be a black market for ditch weed when cannabis is legalized. The govt will provide the mass produced ditch weed, and small micro growers will provide the better product at a premium price. I will not be surprised if the medical grade cannabis doesn't decrease in price at all.


Nonsense. Anyone who can grow decent tomatoes can grow very decent ganja if they are willing to put the same time and effort into it. There are a number of well recognized and widely known skills to apply, but read a book or two and one never need part with cash for good smoke. In states where it's legal it will be even easier yet, since there will be no need to hide it.
 
2013-08-31 10:40:33 AM

js34603: Zeno-25: Flappyhead: Meh, I got no problem with legalizing it.  Those who enjoy the Mary Jane, on the other hand, may want to remember that taxes and regulations come along with it.

That's all fine and good. But no worries, if an overly restrictive regime is put into place which only allows large, corporate growers to enter the marketplace, the black market for cannabis will continue to thrive as it always has, if even just out of spite. Since it's relatively easy to grow, the government can only tax and regulate it so much before the black market starts to make more economic sense again.

You know you can make alcohol in the toilet with fruit juice and bread? Yet there isn't a huge market for toilet alcohol even though it would be a lot cheaper than the alcohol available in your local ABC store.

Yes, it is easy to grow a marijuana plant. No, it is not easy to grow something worth smoking. There won't be a black market for ditch weed when cannabis is legalized. The govt will provide the mass produced ditch weed, and small micro growers will provide the better product at a premium price. I will not be surprised if the medical grade cannabis doesn't decrease in price at all.

Just like any asshole with a home brewers kit isn't going to be brewing any Chimay, every idiot who tosses some seeds into their backyard isn't going to be growing any Kush. If you want good cannabis be ready to pay.


government, honestly, grows some of the best stuff as I understand. Like the Swedish Free Heroin program, if you want them to consume and be safe, and reduce crime, you gotta supply better than the street can.

Also, have to leave in place, at least for a few years, the same apparatus for reducing incoming illegal product. It will keep the prices on the illegal side prohibitively high, drawing more people to buying it at riteaid, or the Canadian equivalent.
 
2013-08-31 10:41:51 AM

js34603: Just like any asshole with a home brewers kit isn't going to be brewing any Chimay, every idiot who tosses some seeds into their backyard isn't going to be growing any Kush. If you want good cannabis be ready to pay.


Hardest part is getting the seeds, and that's not terribly hard or expensive with all the distributors. Hydroponics and expensive lights are more for huge operations, and not really required.

Or so i'm told.
 
2013-08-31 10:47:54 AM

Stone Meadow: js34603: Yes, it is easy to grow a marijuana plant. No, it is not easy to grow something worth smoking. There won't be a black market for ditch weed when cannabis is legalized. The govt will provide the mass produced ditch weed, and small micro growers will provide the better product at a premium price. I will not be surprised if the medical grade cannabis doesn't decrease in price at all.

Nonsense. Anyone who can grow decent tomatoes can grow very decent ganja if they are willing to put the same time and effort into it. There are a number of well recognized and widely known skills to apply, but read a book or two and one never need part with cash for good smoke. In states where it's legal it will be even easier yet, since there will be no need to hide it.


"Very decent ganja"= mid grade, at best. Maybe you like that, maybe you're one of those "roll some blunts" guys, I don't judge. But I do prefer actual medical grade grown by professionals.

Yes I can grow decent tomatoes in my yard. They'll never compare to someone's hydroponically grown heirloom tomatoes.
 
2013-08-31 10:49:11 AM

RowdyRough: js34603: Zeno-25: Flappyhead: Meh, I got no problem with legalizing it.  Those who enjoy the Mary Jane, on the other hand, may want to remember that taxes and regulations come along with it.

That's all fine and good. But no worries, if an overly restrictive regime is put into place which only allows large, corporate growers to enter the marketplace, the black market for cannabis will continue to thrive as it always has, if even just out of spite. Since it's relatively easy to grow, the government can only tax and regulate it so much before the black market starts to make more economic sense again.

You know you can make alcohol in the toilet with fruit juice and bread? Yet there isn't a huge market for toilet alcohol even though it would be a lot cheaper than the alcohol available in your local ABC store.

Yes, it is easy to grow a marijuana plant. No, it is not easy to grow something worth smoking. There won't be a black market for ditch weed when cannabis is legalized. The govt will provide the mass produced ditch weed, and small micro growers will provide the better product at a premium price. I will not be surprised if the medical grade cannabis doesn't decrease in price at all.

Just like any asshole with a home brewers kit isn't going to be brewing any Chimay, every idiot who tosses some seeds into their backyard isn't going to be growing any Kush. If you want good cannabis be ready to pay.

government, honestly, grows some of the best stuff as I understand. Like the Swedish Free Heroin program, if you want them to consume and be safe, and reduce crime, you gotta supply better than the street can.

Also, have to leave in place, at least for a few years, the same apparatus for reducing incoming illegal product. It will keep the prices on the illegal side prohibitively high, drawing more people to buying it at riteaid, or the Canadian equivalent.


Oh the government does grow great cannabis. But I'm guessing they aren't going to sell it to the public. THC levels too high, think of the children, blah blah.
 
2013-08-31 10:51:55 AM

J. Frank Parnell: js34603: Just like any asshole with a home brewers kit isn't going to be brewing any Chimay, every idiot who tosses some seeds into their backyard isn't going to be growing any Kush. If you want good cannabis be ready to pay.

Hardest part is getting the seeds, and that's not terribly hard or expensive with all the distributors. Hydroponics and expensive lights are more for huge operations, and not really required.

Or so i'm told.


Required? No. You can toss seeds into your yard and they'll grow. But hydroponics and lights along with a careful balance of nutrients (and a lot of other factors) produces the best product.

So the hard part isn't getting seeds, the hard part is growing good (by which I mean high THC content) cannabis. Growing any cannabis is easy, growing good is hard.
 
2013-08-31 10:54:01 AM

js34603: Required? No. You can toss seeds into your yard and they'll grow. But hydroponics and lights along with a careful balance of nutrients (and a lot of other factors) produces the best product.

So the hard part isn't getting seeds, the hard part is growing good (by which I mean high THC content) cannabis. Growing any cannabis is easy, growing good is hard.


I've seen things, man. Things you wouldn't believe.
 
2013-08-31 10:56:43 AM

J. Frank Parnell: js34603: Required? No. You can toss seeds into your yard and they'll grow. But hydroponics and lights along with a careful balance of nutrients (and a lot of other factors) produces the best product.

So the hard part isn't getting seeds, the hard part is growing good (by which I mean high THC content) cannabis. Growing any cannabis is easy, growing good is hard.

I've seen things, man. Things you wouldn't believe.


Hardest thing about growing your own is waiting for it to cure before you choke it all down.
 
2013-08-31 11:09:30 AM
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Wait, what?
 
2013-08-31 11:16:06 AM

js34603: J. Frank Parnell: js34603: Just like any asshole with a home brewers kit isn't going to be brewing any Chimay, every idiot who tosses some seeds into their backyard isn't going to be growing any Kush. If you want good cannabis be ready to pay.

Hardest part is getting the seeds, and that's not terribly hard or expensive with all the distributors. Hydroponics and expensive lights are more for huge operations, and not really required.

Or so i'm told.

Required? No. You can toss seeds into your yard and they'll grow. But hydroponics and lights along with a careful balance of nutrients (and a lot of other factors) produces the best product.

So the hard part isn't getting seeds, the hard part is growing good (by which I mean high THC content) cannabis. Growing any cannabis is easy, growing good is hard.


No, it isn't. It's actually quite easy. As someone else said, the hardest part is curing it correctly, and even that isn't especially difficult. Here's a tip, though - if you're starting with seeds, you're already screwed.
 
2013-08-31 11:33:20 AM
your mind will go to pot if you smoke enough weed.
 
2013-08-31 11:36:21 AM
no one loves dope as much as Americans.  legal, illegal, its all good sh*t in America.

now the question begs as to why this intense desire to get high?  to escape with drugs??    i thought America was the greatest country on earth?
 
2013-08-31 11:44:46 AM

Stone Meadow: Zeno-25: Since it's relatively easy to grow, the government can only tax and regulate it so much before the black market starts to make more economic sense again.

Yeah, I pretty much agree. After all, people don't make moonshine because it's a better whiskey. They make it because they think the legitimate stuff is too tightly regulated and too heavily taxed.


You must not know many shiners. Or alcoholics.

Good moonshine is god juice.
 
2013-08-31 11:48:49 AM

Linux_Yes: no one loves dope as much as Americans.  legal, illegal, its all good sh*t in America.

now the question begs as to why this intense desire to get high?  to escape with drugs??    i thought America was the greatest country on earth?


It's the tops if you like drugs.

Or going to jail because you like drugs.
 
2013-08-31 11:51:50 AM

shanrick: 'Marijuana is the flame, heroin is the fuse, LSD is the bomb'



and then your brain never works the same again.  cool!
 
2013-08-31 11:55:02 AM

Linux_Yes: shanrick: 'Marijuana is the flame, heroin is the fuse, LSD is the bomb'


and then your brain never works the same again.  cool!


Most people that have done acid seem to think it works better.

Cool.
 
2013-08-31 11:55:24 AM

sendtodave: Linux_Yes: no one loves dope as much as Americans.  legal, illegal, its all good sh*t in America.

now the question begs as to why this intense desire to get high?  to escape with drugs??    i thought America was the greatest country on earth?

It's the tops if you like drugs.

Or going to jail because you like drugs.


i don't agree with jailing people because they use drugs.  distribution, yea, but not personal use.  the real question is why so many have the desire to use drugs??

in Malaysia, et al, they'll hang you for selling dope. not using, though.  they'll offer you rehab if you want it.

dada is death. meaning if they catch you selling, your ass is in the noose.   a few Americans found that out the hard way.
 
2013-08-31 11:56:39 AM

sendtodave: Linux_Yes: shanrick: 'Marijuana is the flame, heroin is the fuse, LSD is the bomb'


and then your brain never works the same again.  cool!

Most people that have done acid seem to think it works better.

Cool.


the real question is how often they've done acid.   done too much over time, and they have another think coming.
 
2013-08-31 11:57:01 AM

Flappyhead: Meh, I got no problem with legalizing it.  Those who enjoy the Mary Jane, on the other hand, may want to remember that taxes and regulations come along with it.


We have regulations now. If the government finds out you have weed, you get arrested. The level of regulation has nowhere to go but down.
 
2013-08-31 11:57:42 AM

Linux_Yes: shanrick: 'Marijuana is the flame, heroin is the fuse, LSD is the bomb'

and then your brain never works the same again.  cool!


Wow, the Drugs Are Bad! propaganda sure worked on you. You should tell Carl Sagan's widow how his mind just never worked again after that first puff of MJ.
 
2013-08-31 11:57:58 AM

sendtodave: Stone Meadow: Zeno-25: Since it's relatively easy to grow, the government can only tax and regulate it so much before the black market starts to make more economic sense again.

Yeah, I pretty much agree. After all, people don't make moonshine because it's a better whiskey. They make it because they think the legitimate stuff is too tightly regulated and too heavily taxed.

You must not know many shiners. Or alcoholics.

Good moonshine is god juice.



except god doesn't have to worry about pickling his liver/brain.   you do.
 
2013-08-31 11:59:57 AM

Linux_Yes: the real question is how often they've done acid. done too much over time, and they have another think coming.


Wasn't there JUST an article on here the other day pointing to a study that concluded those who had done more hallucinogens were actually LESS likely to develop mental illness? Maybe somebody can dig up the link.
 
2013-08-31 12:00:18 PM

miscreant: Linux_Yes: shanrick: 'Marijuana is the flame, heroin is the fuse, LSD is the bomb'

and then your brain never works the same again.  cool!

Wow, the Drugs Are Bad! propaganda sure worked on you. You should tell Carl Sagan's widow how his mind just never worked again after that first puff of MJ.



wrong.  drugs, done often enough over time, will screw your mind up.    i never said getting high once was going to do that.  it takes many times over time to do the damage.  and that is the Pickle.  how many times are you willing to get high before you screw your mind up??   all it takes is Time.

nice try, though.
 
2013-08-31 12:00:57 PM
 
2013-08-31 12:01:22 PM

miscreant: Linux_Yes: the real question is how often they've done acid. done too much over time, and they have another think coming.

Wasn't there JUST an article on here the other day pointing to a study that concluded those who had done more hallucinogens were actually LESS likely to develop mental illness? Maybe somebody can dig up the link.



also, you might want to find out who paid for the study.   that can often clarify things.  but not always.
 
2013-08-31 12:02:12 PM

Linux_Yes: wrong. drugs, done often enough over time, will screw your mind up. i never said getting high once was going to do that. it takes many times over time to do the damage. and that is the Pickle. how many times are you willing to get high before you screw your mind up?? all it takes is Time.


See my link above. Science says you're wrong.
 
2013-08-31 12:04:37 PM

Linux_Yes: also, you might want to find out who paid for the study. that can often clarify things. but not always.


Yes, the government of Norway is well known for faking studies to make hallucinogenics sound less harmful.
 
2013-08-31 12:04:53 PM

Stone Meadow: js34603: Yes, it is easy to grow a marijuana plant. No, it is not easy to grow something worth smoking. There won't be a black market for ditch weed when cannabis is legalized. The govt will provide the mass produced ditch weed, and small micro growers will provide the better product at a premium price. I will not be surprised if the medical grade cannabis doesn't decrease in price at all.

Nonsense. Anyone who can grow decent tomatoes can grow very decent ganja if they are willing to put the same time and effort into it. There are a number of well recognized and widely known skills to apply, but read a book or two and one never need part with cash for good smoke. In states where it's legal it will be even easier yet, since there will be no need to hide it.


Hell, pot is easy enough to grow that college-aged stoners can grow it.


/how hard can it be?
 
2013-08-31 12:15:58 PM

shanrick: 'Marijuana is the flame, heroin is the fuse, LSD is the bomb'


You're right, "LSD is the bomb."
 
2013-08-31 12:25:24 PM

miscreant: Linux_Yes: also, you might want to find out who paid for the study. that can often clarify things. but not always.

Yes, the government of Norway is well known for faking studies to make hallucinogenics sound less harmful.



130,000 americans, of which only 22000 did LSD once or more??   hardly worth a study to pay attention to.   alot of wishful thinking, though.   ah... what men are lead to believe....

go ahead and do your acid.  but don't worry, it won't harm you.   lol
 
2013-08-31 12:31:14 PM

Linux_Yes: 130,000 americans, of which only 22000 did LSD once or more?? hardly worth a study to pay attention to. alot of wishful thinking, though. ah... what men are lead to believe....

go ahead and do your acid. but don't worry, it won't harm you. lol


Go ahead and believe all drugs are bad if they've been classified as illegal because politics never entered into it and it was all science. That pot is the same as LSD is the same as crack is the same as heroine is the same as meth.

Show me a better study then that shows a link between LSD use and mental health issues or you're just talking out of your ass. At least I brought SOME data to the discussion instead of just parroting the talking points thrown at me in grade school.
 
Zel
2013-08-31 12:44:53 PM

Linux_Yes: miscreant: Linux_Yes: also, you might want to find out who paid for the study. that can often clarify things. but not always.

Yes, the government of Norway is well known for faking studies to make hallucinogenics sound less harmful.


130,000 americans, of which only 22000 did LSD once or more??   hardly worth a study to pay attention to.   alot of wishful thinking, though.   ah... what men are lead to believe....

go ahead and do your acid.  but don't worry, it won't harm you.   lol


If we're looking for anything measurable that happens to greater than 1% of the LSD-using population; then 22,000 is more than enough to have seen it. The scientists have to put a specific estimate of the variability expected in the group, because it's possible each of the 22,000 developed unique conditions and no pattern emerged.  If you expect 5% of LSD-users to suffer brain damage, then even 200 study subjects will capture with 95% certainty between 4 and 16 brain damaged users.
The key is to look at the (130-22) thousand "normal controls" and calculate their proportion brain damaged. Since the healthy population has a few percent ill; and the drug users showed a similar percentage. the conclusion is no link between the phenomena.
Maybe look into a Fisher Exact test on the matter.
 
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