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2013-08-31 12:14:43 PM
Jesus, when the hell are you people going to accept that a movie's creative and monetary success are in its execution, regardless of how outlandish its concept?

Toy Story and Small Soldiers. One spawned two sequels, billions in revenue, and is beloved by children and adults across the planet. The other's barely remembered. The difference is that one's done well and the other sucked, but they both have the exact same dumbass and unbelievable concept of toys being 'real'.
 
2013-08-31 12:15:34 PM

Macfine: Therion: Wait - the raccoon with a machine gun is going to be animated? Whatever happened to - I dunno -


Raccoons are notoriously bad actors.


so we cast Bradley Cooper to do the voice over ... let's see who notices

/I kid, this is awesome
 
2013-08-31 12:35:10 PM

Lord Binky: and if they want to they must take risks which means - yes - a Wonder Woman film among their other properties.


there is simply no way to make a Wonder Woman movie NOT suck.  Period.

buntz: As an 8 year old, I totally bought it. Now, as a 41 year old, I still buy it, because I bought it as an 8 year old. So I don't see why a raccoon and a tree are any different.


Treebeard from LOTR comes to mind.  Audiences bought that just fine - a bunch of anthropomorphic trees that interacted with humanesque characters is no real reach.  Rocket might be a stretch, but if this movie (Guardians Of The Galaxy) is made on the level that the other Marvel Cinematic Universe movies have been, I expect GOTG to be stunning - and everything I have seen so far makes me feel like there is just no way that the film will be anything BUT awesome.  There are movies with Marvel's NAME on them, and then there are movies that Marvel MAKES.  Marvel has yet to make a bad film.
 
2013-08-31 01:04:42 PM
Yoda
Treebeard
Gollum
Davy Jones
Chewbacca
Aslan (and every other animal in Narnia)
White Rabbit (and every other animal/creature in Wonderland)
Hellboy (and every other fantastic creature in Hellboy I & II)
Ewoks (ok, so maybe they sucked, but you accepted them as a kid)
Jabba the Hutt (and Salacious Crumb, and all of Jabba's palace, and the Mos Eisley cantina, and...well... Star Wars.)
E.T.
Gremlins (Gizmo, and every gremlin)
Caesar (Rise of the Planet of the Apes)
Howard the Duck (shut up)
Donatello, Raphael, Splinter, Michelangelo, Leonardo
Dr. Zaius, Cornelius, Zira, and every other ape in the Planet of the Apes series
Roger Rabbit and all the other toons
Babe

Yes, clearly audiences will just not understand a talking racoon or talking tree because anthropomorphism is totally new to them.
 
2013-08-31 01:34:56 PM

frepnog: Lord Binky: and if they want to they must take risks which means - yes - a Wonder Woman film among their other properties.

there is simply no way to make a Wonder Woman movie NOT suck.  Period.


Sigh....guess I need to reiterate the following:

Wonder Woman movie, Joss Whedon to direct, Cobie Smulders to play Diana...and DC said "no" to that.

/And the sound you hear is Marvel's high-honchos high-fiving each other because DC was that stupid.
 
2013-08-31 01:59:20 PM
My SO does not like comics or sci-fi. And yet, she came to me first about the GotG leaked video and Rocket Raccoon gifs. Apparently the 'fashion and shopping' message boards she frequents were all a buzz about this. Everyone whose biggest interests and makeup and jimmy chu shoes thought Rocket Raccoon and the leaked trailer were 'awesome'.
 
2013-08-31 02:02:48 PM

Rwa2play: frepnog: Lord Binky: and if they want to they must take risks which means - yes - a Wonder Woman film among their other properties.

there is simply no way to make a Wonder Woman movie NOT suck.  Period.

Sigh....guess I need to reiterate the following:

Wonder Woman movie, Joss Whedon to direct, Cobie Smulders to play Diana...and DC said "no" to that.

/And the sound you hear is Marvel's high-honchos high-fiving each other because DC was that stupid.


Actually DC passing on a Wonder Woman movie is pretty much a great idea.

Movie would flop.  Men won't go see it and women don't give a shiat about the character.  Wonder Woman, if done in a film, needs to be used in a Justice League movie or not at all and as I said, there really is no way to do it and it not suck.  It would basically need to be a girl version of Thor - and that was probably the weakest of the Marvel movies.  Wonder Woman is really a character out of time - that is, there is little way to bring the character into the modern world in a believable way.  They would be better off developing a GOOD Supergirl film, but even that is lame and would fail.

There is a reason that Marvel has no "Black Widow" film in the works.  It would be lame and would not put asses in seats.
 
2013-08-31 02:04:01 PM

BafflerMeal: My SO does not like comics or sci-fi. And yet, she came to me first about the GotG leaked video and Rocket Raccoon gifs. Apparently the 'fashion and shopping' message boards she frequents were all a buzz about this. Everyone whose biggest interests and makeup and jimmy chu shoes thought Rocket Raccoon and the leaked trailer were 'awesome'.


Chicks dig racoons, man.
 
2013-08-31 02:34:29 PM

frepnog: BafflerMeal: My SO does not like comics or sci-fi. And yet, she came to me first about the GotG leaked video and Rocket Raccoon gifs. Apparently the 'fashion and shopping' message boards she frequents were all a buzz about this. Everyone whose biggest interests and makeup and jimmy chu shoes thought Rocket Raccoon and the leaked trailer were 'awesome'.

Chicks dig racoons, man.


Once you go bandit, you just can't stand it!

/It's the rabies
 
2013-08-31 02:38:25 PM

frepnog: Rwa2play: frepnog: Lord Binky: and if they want to they must take risks which means - yes - a Wonder Woman film among their other properties.

there is simply no way to make a Wonder Woman movie NOT suck.  Period.

Sigh....guess I need to reiterate the following:

Wonder Woman movie, Joss Whedon to direct, Cobie Smulders to play Diana...and DC said "no" to that.

/And the sound you hear is Marvel's high-honchos high-fiving each other because DC was that stupid.

Actually DC passing on a Wonder Woman movie is pretty much a great idea.

Movie would flop.  Men won't go see it and women don't give a shiat about the character.  Wonder Woman, if done in a film, needs to be used in a Justice League movie or not at all and as I said, there really is no way to do it and it not suck.  It would basically need to be a girl version of Thor - and that was probably the weakest of the Marvel movies.  Wonder Woman is really a character out of time - that is, there is little way to bring the character into the modern world in a believable way.  They would be better off developing a GOOD Supergirl film, but even that is lame and would fail.

There is a reason that Marvel has no "Black Widow" film in the works.  It would be lame and would not put asses in seats.


I gotta say, that's a masterful trolling effort.

And I really am praying that you're trolling, because goddammit, that's some serious next-level stupid up there, yo.
 
2013-08-31 02:47:51 PM

Infernalist: frepnog: Rwa2play: frepnog: Lord Binky: and if they want to they must take risks which means - yes - a Wonder Woman film among their other properties.

there is simply no way to make a Wonder Woman movie NOT suck.  Period.

Sigh....guess I need to reiterate the following:

Wonder Woman movie, Joss Whedon to direct, Cobie Smulders to play Diana...and DC said "no" to that.

/And the sound you hear is Marvel's high-honchos high-fiving each other because DC was that stupid.

Actually DC passing on a Wonder Woman movie is pretty much a great idea.

Movie would flop.  Men won't go see it and women don't give a shiat about the character.  Wonder Woman, if done in a film, needs to be used in a Justice League movie or not at all and as I said, there really is no way to do it and it not suck.  It would basically need to be a girl version of Thor - and that was probably the weakest of the Marvel movies.  Wonder Woman is really a character out of time - that is, there is little way to bring the character into the modern world in a believable way.  They would be better off developing a GOOD Supergirl film, but even that is lame and would fail.

There is a reason that Marvel has no "Black Widow" film in the works.  It would be lame and would not put asses in seats.

I gotta say, that's a masterful trolling effort.

And I really am praying that you're trolling, because goddammit, that's some serious next-level stupid up there, yo.


I'm not trolling in any way.  Explain what is so stupid about it?  Wonder Woman is a 2nd or 3rd tier character AT BEST and DC movies that are not Batman or Superman tend to SUCK SUCK SUCK - and even the Batman and Superman films don't always get it right.  Add that to the fact that there has not been even ONE good female superhero-centric film (the closest might honestly be the first Tomb Raider movie, and even objectively that movie was mostly a pile, or maybe Kick-Ass 2 with Hit Girl, but that is seriously a stretch) and you end up with a property destined to fail as a film.  Hell, they couldn't even get the TV show reboot going without it looking like dung on a screen.  I don't really expect there to be a Wonder Woman movie made.  DC just isn't Marvel.  Out of all the DC movies, there is really only ONE really GOOD one - The Dark Knight (Man of Steel is overlong and really kinda not that great).

What can I tell ya, man?  I am a huge comic book fan.  I have been since I was a wee lad.  DC movies suck generally and a WW movie is a really Bad Idea.
 
2013-08-31 03:42:23 PM
ZeroCorpse:
Yes, clearly audiences will just not understand a talking racoon or talking tree because anthropomorphism is totally new to them.

Everyone's forgetting this one:

2.bp.blogspot.com

It's an adult comedy built about a talking teddy bear that had a $550 million worldwide box office. If audiences can get behind this, having a talking raccoon as part of an ensemble cast of aliens is not going to be a problem.
 
2013-08-31 03:46:05 PM

frepnog: Rwa2play: frepnog: Lord Binky: and if they want to they must take risks which means - yes - a Wonder Woman film among their other properties.

there is simply no way to make a Wonder Woman movie NOT suck.  Period.

Sigh....guess I need to reiterate the following:

Wonder Woman movie, Joss Whedon to direct, Cobie Smulders to play Diana...and DC said "no" to that.

/And the sound you hear is Marvel's high-honchos high-fiving each other because DC was that stupid.

Actually DC passing on a Wonder Woman movie is pretty much a great idea.

Movie would flop.  Men won't go see it and women don't give a shiat about the character.  Wonder Woman, if done in a film, needs to be used in a Justice League movie or not at all and as I said, there really is no way to do it and it not suck.  It would basically need to be a girl version of Thor - and that was probably the weakest of the Marvel movies.  Wonder Woman is really a character out of time - that is, there is little way to bring the character into the modern world in a believable way.  They would be better off developing a GOOD Supergirl film, but even that is lame and would fail.

There is a reason that Marvel has no "Black Widow" film in the works.  It would be lame and would not put asses in seats.


Lawlz, in an internet created for numbnuts to show how wrong they can be; you win today's trophy. Go watch the animated WW movie and learn how wrong you are about how well her story can work in the modern day.

Again; concept is irrelevant, execution is everything.
 
2013-08-31 04:17:02 PM
Here's a pretty decent fan-made Wonder Woman short - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-4Fqejt83s

Not as cool as a raccoon with a machine gun, but I think it could work if WB pulled their heads out.
 
2013-08-31 04:19:21 PM

AdrienVeidt: frepnog: Rwa2play: frepnog: Lord Binky: and if they want to they must take risks which means - yes - a Wonder Woman film among their other properties.

there is simply no way to make a Wonder Woman movie NOT suck.  Period.

Sigh....guess I need to reiterate the following:

Wonder Woman movie, Joss Whedon to direct, Cobie Smulders to play Diana...and DC said "no" to that.

/And the sound you hear is Marvel's high-honchos high-fiving each other because DC was that stupid.

Actually DC passing on a Wonder Woman movie is pretty much a great idea.

Movie would flop.  Men won't go see it and women don't give a shiat about the character.  Wonder Woman, if done in a film, needs to be used in a Justice League movie or not at all and as I said, there really is no way to do it and it not suck.  It would basically need to be a girl version of Thor - and that was probably the weakest of the Marvel movies.  Wonder Woman is really a character out of time - that is, there is little way to bring the character into the modern world in a believable way.  They would be better off developing a GOOD Supergirl film, but even that is lame and would fail.

There is a reason that Marvel has no "Black Widow" film in the works.  It would be lame and would not put asses in seats.

Lawlz, in an internet created for numbnuts to show how wrong they can be; you win today's trophy. Go watch the animated WW movie and learn how wrong you are about how well her story can work in the modern day.

Again; concept is irrelevant, execution is everything.


Motherfarking this.
 
2013-08-31 05:05:48 PM
I could probably make a good Wonder Woman film. Well, I could try to write it, anyway.

First thing: Disregard 99% of the old TV show. The only TV show references should be very subtle in-jokes.

Second thing: Focus on the mythology angle and the magical nature of Diana.

Third thing: Do not wimp out on presenting her as an INCREDIBLY powerful being, with her full range of powers that puts her on par with Superman.

Fourth thing: Give her a truly superhuman villain to face. Granted, her rogues' gallery is pretty weak, but if you're going for a unified DC cinematic universe, then feel free to swap villains a bit. You're WB: You OWN all those characters, and there's no reason you can't have Wonder Woman face off against Brainiac, Black Adam, Deathstroke (who is totally outmatched, so you'd have to give him a boost), or whoever.

I know, I know. You're saying "why not fight the evil Greek/Roman gods?" but that's so played out. It's been done so many times, from Xena to Clash of the Titans. It's old news and people will roll their eyes at it. To be taken seriously, Wonder Woman needs a really serious villain. Ares isn't going to cut it for a feature film. It's fine for animation, but for a non-comic book audience, a god is just too cliche.

I hate to say it, but even pro wrestling gets this dynamic. If you want to put over your hero, you have to face him or her off against a stronger, cooler opponent... But not so cool that they themselves become the favorite of the audience. Your heel has to be awesome enough to be taken seriously as a threat so that the hero looks good when they finally overcome those odds, but the heel should also be vile enough for the audience to NEED to see them defeated.

I'll take a crack at a synopsis:

Let's keep it mythical. Show the audience Diana's origins ("created from clay with magic enchantments and magical weapons" and all that stuff) and then cut to Black Adam... You don't need Captain Marvel for this to work (and yet you set up for a Shazam! movie, later). All you need is Black Adam with a brief explanation that he got his powers long ago thanks to a wizard. "It's magic" really is enough, sometimes.

Essentially, you have Black Adam making a mess, and because he gets Themiscyra involved, Diana is sent to deal with him. They don't want Man's world finding out too much about them, yet Black Adam presents a threat to them, too. He attacks once and does serious damage, and Hippolyta decides it's time to send her daughter out to end this threat before he brings outsiders too close to her nation.

Since we're going for a unified DC world, this would be a good place to insert Superman. Have Kal briefly face off against Black Adam, but find out all-too-quickly that Kryptonians have a weakness to magic. He is blindsided by this and beaten badly, and then Black Adam throws him into a hole on the dark side of the moon because somehow he  knows  that the sun is Superman's strength. How does he know? Maybe we'll find out later...

And though we need him in this story, Batman is also of no use here in a straight fight, and he knows it. He plays it smart, hangs back, and analyzes this new threat, hoping to find a weakness.

And that's when Diana comes into it. There's no "adjusting to the world of men" montage. There's no "learning to shop at Macy's and be a girl" scene. There's no "just looking for the love of a good man" sequence, either. She'll meet Steve Trevor briefly, when she rescues his plane after Black Adam knocks it out of the sky, but Trevor will die and inspire Wonder Woman to fight for these people; Not just for Themiscyra.

Epic battle #1, she gets nearly beaten a couple times, and all looks dark. Finally, Batman comes out of hiding to reveal himself to Diana and share some important information:  You can't do this alone, and neither could Superman.

He then tells her that he figured out where Superman is, and that he can provide the equipment to enable Diana to go get him. He can't go himself-- He wouldn't survive the trip, because he's not NASA and doesn't have the kind of protections they do when sending a ship to the moon. He needs Diana because she's damned near invulnerable and has the strength to get Superman out of his grave and into the sun (Of course Batman figured it out, too).

Diana embarks on this mission-- not because she trusts this dark-cowled man-- but because she sees no choice and is wise enough to know when she needs help. Black Adam is in control, and every time she faces him he nearly kills her. Diana finds Superman and drags his body (which is quite heavy, even on the moon) into the sunlight. And she waits. Fade out.

Back on Earth, Bruce Wayne and Alfred (is Alfred in this series? I dunno.) watch the devastation. Bruce is older, not up to a fight with Black Adam, and kind of an outlaw so he really can't suit up and help. He does what he can by monitoring everything and trying to figure out Black Adam's pattern and ultimate goal. Black Adam says it's mere conquest and revenge against humanity for some perceived slight against his honor, but Bruce feels there's something more... "It's as if Black Adam is softening us up for... something."

Various scenes of Black Adam kicking ass. We could even throw in a few very minor, non-powered heroes here if we wanted to be cool. Show Black Adam completely wrecking a city and then have Arrow (since he's not green here) save some people from the devastation. Etc.

When it seems bleakest, of course, Superman and Diana come out of the sky, flying under their own power at incredible speed, and clobber Black Adam together. They double-team him with Batman calling the tactical plays using a communicator that he gave to Wonder Woman prior to her departure (Superman can hear it, even though she's the one wearing it.)

Now we begin the huge final battle, which Batman wisely directs out above the ocean (he doesn't want to see another Metropolis disaster, thanks). Biff bam pow-- Superman does his damage, but is again pretty damaged by Black Adam in the process, but he distracts Black Adam long enough for Wonder Woman to deliver the finishing move/tactic/blow.

And now we've set the stage for the Justice League movie, in which Brainiac shows up to finish the job that his mind-controlled slave, Black Adam, began.

Roll credits, afterward, show Barry Allen in the Central City crime lab talking about the fight and how hot that Wonder Woman chick is. We pan back and see that he's talking to a dark-haired guy carrying a sketchbook. He is wearing a name badge that says "Kyle Rayner."

Fade out.
 
2013-08-31 05:59:12 PM

ZeroCorpse: I could probably make a good Wonder Woman film. Well, I could try to write it, anyway.

First thing: Disregard 99% of the old TV show. The only TV show references should be very subtle in-jokes.

Second thing: Focus on the mythology angle and the magical nature of Diana.

Third thing: Do not wimp out on presenting her as an INCREDIBLY powerful being, with her full range of powers that puts her on par with Superman.

Fourth thing: Give her a truly superhuman villain to face. Granted, her rogues' gallery is pretty weak, but if you're going for a unified DC cinematic universe, then feel free to swap villains a bit. You're WB: You OWN all those characters, and there's no reason you can't have Wonder Woman face off against Brainiac, Black Adam, Deathstroke (who is totally outmatched, so you'd have to give him a boost), or whoever.

I know, I know. You're saying "why not fight the evil Greek/Roman gods?" but that's so played out. It's been done so many times, from Xena to Clash of the Titans. It's old news and people will roll their eyes at it. To be taken seriously, Wonder Woman needs a really serious villain. Ares isn't going to cut it for a feature film. It's fine for animation, but for a non-comic book audience, a god is just too cliche.

I hate to say it, but even pro wrestling gets this dynamic. If you want to put over your hero, you have to face him or her off against a stronger, cooler opponent... But not so cool that they themselves become the favorite of the audience. Your heel has to be awesome enough to be taken seriously as a threat so that the hero looks good when they finally overcome those odds, but the heel should also be vile enough for the audience to NEED to see them defeated.

I'll take a crack at a synopsis:

Let's keep it mythical. Show the audience Diana's origins ("created from clay with magic enchantments and magical weapons" and all that stuff) and then cut to Black Adam... You don't need Captain Marvel for this to work (and yet you set up for a ...


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Seriously, I'd watch the hell out of that. Someone get this Farker on with an agent.
 
2013-08-31 06:26:23 PM

Rwa2play: frepnog: Lord Binky: and if they want to they must take risks which means - yes - a Wonder Woman film among their other properties.

there is simply no way to make a Wonder Woman movie NOT suck.  Period.

Sigh....guess I need to reiterate the following:

Wonder Woman movie, Joss Whedon to direct, Cobie Smulders to play Diana...and DC said "no" to that.

/And the sound you hear is Marvel's high-honchos high-fiving each other because DC was that stupid.


Good, Colbie would have been a terrible Wonder Woman. And for all the shiat Ben affleck is getting for playing Ben affleck in every movie the same argument could be made for her, it would have just been robin with a sword for two hours. She wasn't even convincing as a badass as hill in the avengers.
 
2013-08-31 08:08:17 PM

ZeroCorpse: I could probably make a good Wonder Woman film. Well, I could try to write it, anyway.

First thing: Disregard 99% of the old TV show. The only TV show references should be very subtle in-jokes.

Second thing: Focus on the mythology angle and the magical nature of Diana.

Third thing: Do not wimp out on presenting her as an INCREDIBLY powerful being, with her full range of powers that puts her on par with Superman.

Fourth thing: Give her a truly superhuman villain to face. Granted, her rogues' gallery is pretty weak, but if you're going for a unified DC cinematic universe, then feel free to swap villains a bit. You're WB: You OWN all those characters, and there's no reason you can't have Wonder Woman face off against Brainiac, Black Adam, Deathstroke (who is totally outmatched, so you'd have to give him a boost), or whoever.

I know, I know. You're saying "why not fight the evil Greek/Roman gods?" but that's so played out. It's been done so many times, from Xena to Clash of the Titans. It's old news and people will roll their eyes at it. To be taken seriously, Wonder Woman needs a really serious villain. Ares isn't going to cut it for a feature film. It's fine for animation, but for a non-comic book audience, a god is just too cliche.

I hate to say it, but even pro wrestling gets this dynamic. If you want to put over your hero, you have to face him or her off against a stronger, cooler opponent... But not so cool that they themselves become the favorite of the audience. Your heel has to be awesome enough to be taken seriously as a threat so that the hero looks good when they finally overcome those odds, but the heel should also be vile enough for the audience to NEED to see them defeated.

I'll take a crack at a synopsis:

Let's keep it mythical. Show the audience Diana's origins ("created from clay with magic enchantments and magical weapons" and all that stuff) and then cut to Black Adam... You don't need Captain Marvel for this to work (and yet you set up for a ...


The Black Adam aspect is perfect.  Not only does it give her an enemy within her range 'and' lines up with her own type of origin(Magical, old, incredibly powerful), but sets up the eventual appearance of Captain Marvel himself.

Well done on that brainstorming.

Secondly, again, amazing suggestion with BA disposing of Superman easily due to his magical nature and near equivalent strength.  BA is a veteran warrior, with thousands of years of experience with incredible strength, so he 'should' outdo a youngster Superman.

The only thing at this point that I'd recommend is NOT introduce WW until 'after' Superman has been demolished and left laying in a crater on the dark side of the moon.  Which might as well be a million miles away, right?   The world knows he's there unconscious and the rest of the world is completely at BA's mercy.

BA shows up somewhere very public and very plainly establishes the new pecking order by systematically destroying it.   This is when Batman shows up, lots of gadgets, lots of toys, and it looks like he's going to win and 'kill Batman' until the climatic arrival of Wonder Woman.

The rest of your synopsis works, but I would really prefer to set it up so that SM is completely out of the picture for this movie and let WW be the star and the one who breaks BA down.  Don't get me wrong, your climax is very JLA-ish, but you don't want to jump on that wagon TOO soon.  You want your WW to shine on her own for at least the first movie before they run into a villain that they can't beat on their own, singularly.

Recommend SM remain on the moon, out of touch, until the last part of the movie, showing up at the perfect moment to remind the audience that he's okay, and was just taking a nap.

Otherwise, let WW do the fighting with BA throughout and really really play up her strength as well as her veteran skills at combat with the sword and spear.

As for the plot...why is BA there?  Two guesses and they're both named Billy Batson.  BA is there searching for the new Captain Marvel and his attacks on the world are there to draw out him out.  Only he's about 20 years too soon.  Oops.

I really like your version, though.

Well done.
 
2013-08-31 09:08:16 PM

ZeroCorpse: Fourth thing: Give her a truly superhuman villain to face. Granted, her rogues' gallery is pretty weak, but if you're going for a unified DC cinematic universe, then feel free to swap villains a bit. You're WB: You OWN all those characters, and there's no reason you can't have Wonder Woman face off against Brainiac, Black Adam, Deathstroke (who is totally outmatched, so you'd have to give him a boost), or whoever.


I always say have Ares go up against her.  He is the god of War after all; he should be the yang to Diana's yin.
 
2013-08-31 09:12:41 PM

hammer85: Rwa2play: frepnog: Lord Binky: and if they want to they must take risks which means - yes - a Wonder Woman film among their other properties.

there is simply no way to make a Wonder Woman movie NOT suck.  Period.

Sigh....guess I need to reiterate the following:

Wonder Woman movie, Joss Whedon to direct, Cobie Smulders to play Diana...and DC said "no" to that.

/And the sound you hear is Marvel's high-honchos high-fiving each other because DC was that stupid.

Good, Colbie would have been a terrible Wonder Woman.


Love when people say "Oh 'X' would've been a terrible 'Y'" without...you know, seeing it first....
 
2013-09-01 12:39:41 AM
I have no idea who Black Adam is, but that sounds promising.
 
2013-09-01 01:05:14 AM

Infernalist: The only thing at this point that I'd recommend is NOT introduce WW until 'after' Superman has been demolished and left laying in a crater on the dark side of the moon.  Which might as well be a million miles away, right?   The world knows he's there unconscious and the rest of the world is completely at BA's mercy.

BA shows up somewhere very public and very plainly establishes the new pecking order by systematically destroying it.   This is when Batman shows up, lots of gadgets, lots of toys, and it looks like he's going to win and 'kill Batman' until the climatic arrival of Wonder Woman.

The rest of your synopsis works, but I would really prefer to set it up so that SM is completely out of the picture for this movie and let WW be the star and the one who breaks BA down.  Don't get me wrong, your climax is very JLA-ish, but you don't want to jump on that wagon TOO soon.  You want your WW to shine on her own for at least the first movie before they run into a villain that they can't beat on their own, singularly.

Recommend SM remain on the moon, out of touch, until the last part of the movie, showing up at the perfect moment to remind the audience that he's okay, and was just taking a nap.

Otherwise, let WW do the fighting with BA throughout and really really play up her strength as well as her veteran skills at combat with the sword and spear.

As for the plot...why is BA there?  Two guesses and they're both named Billy Batson.  BA is there searching for the new Captain Marvel and his attacks on the world are there to draw out him out.  Only he's about 20 years too soon.  Oops.

I really like your version, though.

Well done.


Thanks.

I do see your point about letting Diana have the spotlight, but I think having the final fight show that teamwork is sometimes the only way... She can still have 90% of the glory and fight most of the fight simply because Batman can't and Superman is dispatched easily due to his magical nature-- even on the rematch. The only purpose Superman really serves in the finale is to distract BA so Wonder Woman can call on her true power, blah blah blah, and get the winning move. Superman in my treatment would be little more than a punching bag.

And this serves a few purposes:
1. He learns a lesson in humility, which I think he may need after Man of Steel.
2. He learns that he DOES have weaknesses and can learn to adjust his tactics... Something he didn't think of before.
3. The audience sees that he has weaknesses besides Kryptonite and can relate to him a little more.

This scenario also sets up Batman as a thinking man and tactician, and gets him away from being American James Bond/cop in a batsuit. It gives Affleck a chance to act as Bruce instead of being in the cowl all the time (something he and the WB executives would want, anyway.)

As for not having Diana show up until BA dispatches Superman, that's kind of where I was going... We don't see her being "Wonder Woman" before Superman is nailed. We see her being Diana in her homeland. We get a little background. She doesn't get spurred into action until Black Adam poses a threat to her people.

Searching for Billy is a good reason for BA to be around when Brainiac gets a hold of him. Digging it.

As for the choice to keep Superman in this at all, I was under the impression that WB was making "Man of Steel 2" the debut of Affleck-Batman. I'm thinking the strategy here (as far as WB is concerned) is that they don't want to make another series of solo movies, but slowly filter in other DC characters using "Man of Steel" sequels to do it, until finally they have a JLA movie.

This is also assuming WB still has all the same executives who have ZERO faith in a Wonder Woman standalone movie. Basically, my idea is to offer the audience a Superman movie, and then pull a bait & switch and give them the Wonder Woman they should have been seeing all along.
 
2013-09-01 01:12:10 AM
And by the way, YES-- I chose the "burial on the dark side of the moon" as a snarky nod to Superman IV.

It was a terrible movie that had a couple good ideas that were poorly implemented.

If that homage doesn't work, we can always switch it up and stick Kal in a deep chasm on Earth, in a mineshaft, at the bottom of the ocean (hmm.... enter Arthur?) or wherever. The actual location doesn't matter, as long as Superman is blocked from sunlight and kept out of the fight (and the movie) until the finale.
 
2013-09-01 03:08:33 AM
Wow, this thread kinda picked up for me with that WW treatment. I like how that treatment pulls a may trick by assuming that Man of Steel kicks off something of a lateral series of movies. The first is all Superman, the next might very well be a World's Finest movie, and this suggestion is a "Trinity" movie. Basically, every movie adds a hero and expands the world more. Furthermore, by being a MoS sequel it can remove the risk associated with a straight Wonder Woman movie. I like it at least in concept because it's not the same as the Avengers setup.
 
2013-09-01 03:15:13 AM

AdrienVeidt: frepnog: Rwa2play: frepnog: Lord Binky: and if they want to they must take risks which means - yes - a Wonder Woman film among their other properties.

there is simply no way to make a Wonder Woman movie NOT suck.  Period.

Sigh....guess I need to reiterate the following:

Wonder Woman movie, Joss Whedon to direct, Cobie Smulders to play Diana...and DC said "no" to that.

/And the sound you hear is Marvel's high-honchos high-fiving each other because DC was that stupid.

Actually DC passing on a Wonder Woman movie is pretty much a great idea.

Movie would flop.  Men won't go see it and women don't give a shiat about the character.  Wonder Woman, if done in a film, needs to be used in a Justice League movie or not at all and as I said, there really is no way to do it and it not suck.  It would basically need to be a girl version of Thor - and that was probably the weakest of the Marvel movies.  Wonder Woman is really a character out of time - that is, there is little way to bring the character into the modern world in a believable way.  They would be better off developing a GOOD Supergirl film, but even that is lame and would fail.

There is a reason that Marvel has no "Black Widow" film in the works.  It would be lame and would not put asses in seats.

Lawlz, in an internet created for numbnuts to show how wrong they can be; you win today's trophy. Go watch the animated WW movie and learn how wrong you are about how well her story can work in the modern day.

Again; concept is irrelevant, execution is everything.


I agree that a WW movie can be good as the animated movie exemplifies. The problem is that it didn't sell well. Neither did either Green Lantern release and First Flight was basically what the live action movie could have been and I don't just mean "good." Ever since those failed, every release has featured Batman or Superman because they sold the best. It's stupid, it's bullshiat, but it is what it is.
 
2013-09-01 03:18:13 AM

Lord Binky: Wow, this thread kinda picked up for me with that WW treatment. I like how that treatment pulls a may trick by assuming that Man of Steel kicks off something of a lateral series of movies. The first is all Superman, the next might very well be a World's Finest movie, and this suggestion is a "Trinity" movie. Basically, every movie adds a hero and expands the world more. Furthermore, by being a MoS sequel it can remove the risk associated with a straight Wonder Woman movie. I like it at least in concept because it's not the same as the Avengers setup.


Yes, but that makes this 'MOS sequel' a trap... a sexy flying amazonion trap, but still a trap. :D
 
2013-09-01 03:19:22 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: freak7: I had no idea who these characters were until I looked them up.  Now that I do, there's no way this movie isn't going to be a CGI shiatfest.  A raccoon and a tree, are you farking kidding me?

The odds are a million to one, but it just might work...


But magicians have calculated that million-to-one chances crop up nine times out of ten.
 
2013-09-01 03:21:57 AM

Lord Binky: AdrienVeidt: frepnog: Rwa2play: frepnog: Lord Binky: and if they want to they must take risks which means - yes - a Wonder Woman film among their other properties.

there is simply no way to make a Wonder Woman movie NOT suck.  Period.

Sigh....guess I need to reiterate the following:

Wonder Woman movie, Joss Whedon to direct, Cobie Smulders to play Diana...and DC said "no" to that.

/And the sound you hear is Marvel's high-honchos high-fiving each other because DC was that stupid.

Actually DC passing on a Wonder Woman movie is pretty much a great idea.

Movie would flop.  Men won't go see it and women don't give a shiat about the character.  Wonder Woman, if done in a film, needs to be used in a Justice League movie or not at all and as I said, there really is no way to do it and it not suck.  It would basically need to be a girl version of Thor - and that was probably the weakest of the Marvel movies.  Wonder Woman is really a character out of time - that is, there is little way to bring the character into the modern world in a believable way.  They would be better off developing a GOOD Supergirl film, but even that is lame and would fail.

There is a reason that Marvel has no "Black Widow" film in the works.  It would be lame and would not put asses in seats.

Lawlz, in an internet created for numbnuts to show how wrong they can be; you win today's trophy. Go watch the animated WW movie and learn how wrong you are about how well her story can work in the modern day.

Again; concept is irrelevant, execution is everything.

I agree that a WW movie can be good as the animated movie exemplifies. The problem is that it didn't sell well. Neither did either Green Lantern release and First Flight was basically what the live action movie could have been and I don't just mean "good." Ever since those failed, every release has featured Batman or Superman because they sold the best. It's stupid, it's bullshiat, but it is what it is.


Yet the only ones I actually bought were the GLs and the WW movies.  They're the only ones I can rewatch and enjoy.  Oh, and All-star Superman, it being the one good Superman story.
 
2013-09-01 03:49:15 AM

Qaiwolf: Lord Binky: Wow, this thread kinda picked up for me with that WW treatment. I like how that treatment pulls a may trick by assuming that Man of Steel kicks off something of a lateral series of movies. The first is all Superman, the next might very well be a World's Finest movie, and this suggestion is a "Trinity" movie. Basically, every movie adds a hero and expands the world more. Furthermore, by being a MoS sequel it can remove the risk associated with a straight Wonder Woman movie. I like it at least in concept because it's not the same as the Avengers setup.

Yes, but that makes this 'MOS sequel' a trap... a sexy flying amazonion trap, but still a trap. :D


Maybe that's what's needed, though.

With my idea, above, I'd even ask that the trailers show lots of scenes of Superman doing Superman things, and Batman doing Batman things, just so audience would show up thinking they'd be getting the stuff they're familiar with, and then BANG! The movie hits them with this kickass, super-powerful, beautiful, woman who doesn't do condescending crap like Ally McBeal with an invisible jet (note to producers: NO DAMNED JET. Wonder Woman can fly, dammit.)

And then eventually, word of mouth would spread the word that Wonder Woman is the main focus of the movie, but hey dude, she was AWESOME and you should go see it!

Fans of the old WW show would still be pleased because they get a woman with a nice body kicking ass, and her appearance would hit all the required nostalgia triggers (bracelets, red/blue/gold, stars, etc.) -- Fans of the comics would be pleased with the first real female superhero movie that is worth a damn (Supergirl sucked, Catwoman sucked, and Black Widow is not very interesting to audiences when compared to the super-powered male heroes of the MCU).

Casting is where WB would fark it all up, though. Some suit would insist on some model-pretty chick with big boobs and a slender body, and we'd get Megan Fox or Angelina Jolie or someone like that, when the only "big name" actress I can think of who could convincingly play the character AND look right in the role is Jessica Biel.

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...And that's only if she's willing to work out like this again. I suppose someone else could be trained to this level or better, but they also need to be a solid, well-built woman. Not a Hollywood stick-figure.

And Biel can act tough without it seeming "cute" or "quaint" like so many others.

Finally, no damned spin-kicks or luchadore takedown moves!!! Teach whoever takes this role to wrestle (Greco-Roman) and fight with her fists like a real fighter. Wonder Woman isn't a ninja or pro wrestler.
 
2013-09-01 04:21:33 AM

Alphax: buntz: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x453]

Now I'm reading up on Gamora on Wikipedia.


It's a spinning flying turtle who defends the earth from monsters, also he is apparently full of meat.
 
2013-09-01 04:56:02 AM

jaybeezey: Alphax: buntz: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x453]

Now I'm reading up on Gamora on Wikipedia.

It's a spinning flying turtle who defends the earth from monsters, also he is apparently full of meat.


So it's not a half orc assassin who killed King Llane of Stormwind?
 
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