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2013-08-31 12:36:52 AM
Tablespoon of LOCAL raw honey is good for pollen allergies (hay fever)
 
2013-08-31 12:37:30 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: whatshisname: Peanut butter and honey sandwiches are best with creamed honey, and butter on the bread. Good crusty, white bread.

OH HELL YES THIS^^^^

/loves me some PB & H


buttered bread is key
it keeps the pb lubricated so it doesn't stick to your mouth while adding a creamy cool salty element.
 
2013-08-31 12:38:26 AM

Canton: santadog:Technically, honey is the bees food, and they desire it all the time.  It's what they live off of.  If a greedy keeper takes too much honey in the fall, the hive will starve.   Some will winter feed their hives with sugar water, but I believe that to be completely insane.   Bees make the perfect food for themselves, so lets replace that with sugar water.  I feel the same about feeding humming birds sugar water.

The thing with birds is, they don't rely solely on manmade bird feeders. If they find a safe feeder, they'll add it to their mental lists of places with food. Hummingbirds will take supplemental nutrition from their feeders, just as sparrows and woodpeckers will take seeds and suet from theirs. The extra calories are certainly not replacing the local flora and insect life, and if the feeders went away, they'd survive. We'd just see less of them.

Not really a fair comparison, in other words.


Sugar and water is not a fair description of supplemental nutrition.
 
2013-08-31 12:39:40 AM

Vangor: I find adding water and a small amount of yeast to honey helps to enhance the flavors over time.


What mead you think of that?
 
2013-08-31 12:40:59 AM

Popular Opinion: MaudlinMutantMollusk: whatshisname: Peanut butter and honey sandwiches are best with creamed honey, and butter on the bread. Good crusty, white bread.

OH HELL YES THIS^^^^

/loves me some PB & H

buttered bread is key
it keeps the pb lubricated so it doesn't stick to your mouth while adding a creamy cool salty element.


Exactly

/gourmet PB & H, FTW
 
2013-08-31 12:46:41 AM
And Marmite. And honey and Marmite together are farking awesome!!!
 
2013-08-31 12:52:44 AM

Skyfrog: theorellior: Canton: theorellior: There's also a protein in the sugary bee barf that emits small amounts of hydrogen peroxide if it does get wet.

Interesting? Is that why honey tastes so unpleasant?

YMMV, my friend. Just means more sugary bee barf for me.

Incidentally, if you drizzle honey into natural-style peanut butter and then stir it until it emulsifies, it's like better than crack.

I've had peanut butter and syrup sandwiches with chili but I've never tried peanut butter and honey. I'm intrigued by the idea.


I drizzle honey over peanut-buttered toast.  Warm gooey goodness.
 
2013-08-31 12:55:34 AM

Abox: [www.badassoftheweek.com image 408x304]
/don't care
//don't give a shiat


The honey badger maims, he does not kill.
 
2013-08-31 01:28:26 AM

whatshisname: ciberido: Skyfrog: theorellior: Incidentally, if you drizzle honey into natural-style peanut butter and then stir it until it emulsifies, it's like better than crack.

I've had peanut butter and syrup sandwiches with chili but I've never tried peanut butter and honey. I'm intrigued by the idea.

Are you kidding me?  Peanut butter and honey sandwiches are the best!  Followed only by peanut butter and banana sandwiches and peanut butter and bacon sandwiches.  Mix and match to your personal taste.  Food fit for a King.

Peanut butter and honey sandwiches are best with creamed honey, and butter on the bread. Good crusty, white bread.


I discovered this as a kid. Make a peanut butter and honey sandwich. Place the sandwich on a paper towel with the honey side down. Stick in the freezer. I'm not sure what it does, maybe it's the honey mixing with the bread yeast, but you will not believe the flavor. Idea isn't to really freeze it, but let the honey soak in the bread a little then stick it in for 20 minutes or so. It's hard to wait, but it'll just taste like cold honey if you don't. Anyone know the food science behind this? I've been doing it over 40 years now.
 
2013-08-31 01:41:57 AM

kabar: I've recently wondered if humus ever goes bad.  It doesn't seem to.


Well, being as humus is dirt, it's unlikely to.

But yes, hummus will go bad. Especially if it has no preservatives.
 
2013-08-31 01:43:31 AM

KarmicDisaster: Because nothing grows in poop.


Where are people getting this??
I've heard this for years.

It's bee VOMIT.

thegospelcoalition.org
 
2013-08-31 03:19:38 AM

LordOfThePings: [Red Dwarf image 480x360]

When it goes off, it tastes exactly the same as when it's fresh.


I love you, man.
 
2013-08-31 04:29:30 AM

Canton: MrHappyRotter: TomD9938: I've got a Fruit Fly population in my garage / shop that is growing increasingly annoying.

Recently I tried making a trap by drizzling some honey onto a paper plate, expecting that the next morning a bunch of the little bastards would be caught up in it like a herd of Mastodons in a tar pit.

As it happens, not one farking fly in two days and nights.  TFA says that honey is fairly acidic, so maybe that's why they wouldnt touch it.

Fruit flies are attracted to vinegar.  Take notes.  No need to thank me later.

Wow. I seriously thought you were making a honey/vinegar joke, but apparently you were not.

Maybe vinegar used as bait in a homemade flytrap would solve the fruit fly problem...


Try tequila in a shot glass half covered with a playing card... did that today. Tricky part is to start with a clean glass, otherwise they hang out on the rim.
 
2013-08-31 04:35:49 AM

TomD9938: FrancoFile: TomD9938: I've got a Fruit Fly population in my garage / shop that is growing increasingly annoying.

Recently I tried making a trap by drizzling some honey onto a paper plate, expecting that the next morning a bunch of the little bastards would be caught up in it like a herd of Mastodons in a tar pit.

As it happens, not one farking fly in two days and nights.  TFA says that honey is fairly acidic, so maybe that's why they wouldnt touch it.

Best fruit-fly trap is to put some overripe fruit in a small glass container, then cover it tightly with plastic wrap.  Poke some small holes in the plastic wrap.  The fruit flies will be attracted to the CO2 and aldehydes being given off by the rotting fruit, and they won't fly back out.  After a few days, cover with another layer of plastic wrap and freeze to kill.

Thanks.  Saw something along those lines while on the Googles a minute ago.

I think they're attracted by empty beer bottles (I rinse them, but maybe not well enough).  After and during the first freeze I throw the doors open for a while to kill all the insects for the season, but there's a ways to go until then, so it's time to do some trapping.

My Google search even yielded a couple of catch and release traps.  WTF?


There's a related podcast/episode of CBC Radio's "Quirks and Quarks" science show.  Apparently fruit flies have highly sensitive receptors for the scent of ethanol, followed by minor receptors for the scent of yeast itself.

My solution is similar to ones already posted - pour some vinegar (apple cider works the best) or cheap wine into a glass, cover with plastic wrap, poke 1 or 2 smallish holes in the centre (with a fork or a round toothpick), place it close to your fermenting liquid and wait.  The principle as with the other taps is that the flies will crawl in via the centre holes, but will always try to crawl out along the edge, which is sealed.  They tire out and drown.

(Fun fact:  if you distill your brew for education purposes, the fruit flies are more attracted to the ethanol coming out of your distiller than they are to any vinegar or wine in your trap.  In this case, you have to sacrifice some of your fresh distillate and use it in the trap instead of the vinegar/wine.  Works the same way.)
 
2013-08-31 05:03:29 AM
BUT WHAT ABOUT WHEN TEH HONAE TARNS WIET !?!?1/11//?!?!? DAAAAEEEERRRRRPPPPP-DERP-DERP-DERP-DERP-DERP !!!!1!

........Sugar crystallizes, dumbass. That doesn't mean.... wait, cry-stal-lize... oh shiat. Longer than two syllables. You'll never get it..... but that won't stop you from ranting.
 
2013-08-31 06:38:58 AM

RogermcAllen: Cerebral Knievel: Because its almost pure sucrose and no bacteria can live in its environment.

You can pickle things with sugar as well as salt.

No it isn't.  It is almost pure glucose and fructose in a ratio of ~1:1.


Funny, that sounds a lot like sucrose to me.

downstairs: Sugar doesn't go bad.

It is good to see people are finally starting to realize that glucose and fructose are sugars just like sucrose.


Well, not just like. They're monosaccharides, while sucrose is a disaccharide made of glucose and fructose.

There are a few factors as to why honey doesn't spoil.
1.  Honey has such a high solids level that microbes (with the exception of a few hardcore yeasts that don't actually spoil the honey) can't grow in it
2.  Honey is very thick.  It is literally difficult for molecules to move around and undergo chemical reactions.  Things like oxidation can't happen when oxygen molecules can't make their way into the honey
3.  Bee spit has anti-microbials

No chemical spoilage and no microbial spoilage = stable product

/HFCS is also almost pure glucose and fructose in a ratio of ~1:1


No it isn't. What do you think the HF stands for?
 
2013-08-31 06:46:16 AM
The thread is TL;DR but the article mentioned Hydrogen Peroxide and its worthless use as a treatment for minor wounds.  It does have a good use:  pour some in an ear blocked by wax.  Guaranteed it will melt that wax within a couple of hours
 
2013-08-31 06:56:09 AM

GungFu: /currently eating oats that were in its unopened plastic packaging - bought over 3 years ago; still tastes yummy!


Shows a grave lack of knowledge.
 
2013-08-31 07:11:40 AM

TomD9938: I've got a Fruit Fly population in my garage / shop that is growing increasingly annoying.

Recently I tried making a trap by drizzling some honey onto a paper plate, expecting that the next morning a bunch of the little bastards would be caught up in it like a herd of Mastodons in a tar pit.

As it happens, not one farking fly in two days and nights.  TFA says that honey is fairly acidic, so maybe that's why they wouldnt touch it.


Had a fruit fly. problem once. take a liter bottle and pour in a bitof juice or fruit then make a paper cone with a very small hole at the tip and tape to the mouthe of the bottle cone tip pointing into thr mouth. makeshift trap they fly in but not out. works wonders
 
2013-08-31 07:33:33 AM

TopoGigo: RogermcAllen: Cerebral Knievel: Because its almost pure sucrose and no bacteria can live in its environment.

You can pickle things with sugar as well as salt.

No it isn't.  It is almost pure glucose and fructose in a ratio of ~1:1.

Funny, that sounds a lot like sucrose to me.

downstairs: Sugar doesn't go bad.

It is good to see people are finally starting to realize that glucose and fructose are sugars just like sucrose.

Well, not just like. They're monosaccharides, while sucrose is a disaccharide made of glucose and fructose.

There are a few factors as to why honey doesn't spoil.
1.  Honey has such a high solids level that microbes (with the exception of a few hardcore yeasts that don't actually spoil the honey) can't grow in it
2.  Honey is very thick.  It is literally difficult for molecules to move around and undergo chemical reactions.  Things like oxidation can't happen when oxygen molecules can't make their way into the honey
3.  Bee spit has anti-microbials

No chemical spoilage and no microbial spoilage = stable product

/HFCS is also almost pure glucose and fructose in a ratio of ~1:1

No it isn't. What do you think the HF stands for?


Yes, it is.  "High fructose" means that the fructose level is higher than it is in corn syrup that hasn't been processed to raise the fructose level.  The typical ratios aren't quite 1:1, but they're close.
 
2013-08-31 09:03:07 AM

pyrotek85: Skyfrog:I've had peanut butter and syrup sandwiches with chili but I've never tried peanut butter and honey. I'm intrigued by the idea.

Peanut butter and honey sandwiches are great, I always preferred it over using jelly.


Peanut butter and honey sandwiched between 2 Eggo waffles. The waffles help catch any drips.
 
2013-08-31 09:06:30 AM
Honey is a vile, disgusting substance, and I'm glad so many of you like it, because that means that you will neatly deplete any excess supply, saving the rest of us from the horrors of being force-fed that sticky crap in government-controlled chain gang honey camps.
 
2013-08-31 09:45:32 AM

the_sidewinder: ArcadianRefugee: But that's makes vinegar the waste product (as opposed to the food), no?

Yes, but you listed alcohol as one of the compounds to find an example of something some life form could subsist off of, and it's the easiest one for me to find something that eats it.


Oh. Duh.

/thx
 
2013-08-31 10:09:56 AM
Like someone mentioned up thread, adding water, yeast, and fruit to make mead is the way to go.  I started making my own this summer and have had great success so far and its delicious.

If you want to give it a try, search for Joe's Ancient Orange Spiced Mead, or JAOM for short.  Its pretty much fool proof and finishes fast compared to other recipes.  I have my second 6 gallon batch going now and have completed a Peach/Ginger and Apricot/Ginger with a Strawberry in secondary fermentation now.  I use local honey and all the fruits were hand picked from a farm 5 miles away from me.  Support local and fresh!
 
2013-08-31 10:17:31 AM

freak7: This information bodes well for that pack of KFC honey from 1987 that I've been holding onto.


Technically, that's Honey Sauce.
 
2013-08-31 10:18:28 AM
The real question is why doesn't Tupelo honey crystallize?
 
2013-08-31 10:27:06 AM
Acacia honey is the best I've ever tasted. Got some right out the boiler from a travelling group of keepers here in Korea - it's only available for a short time and costs about 20 bucks a kilo - tasted like old school 1980s grape bubble gum.
 
2013-08-31 11:15:19 AM

BigLuca: Skyfrog: theorellior: Canton: theorellior: There's also a protein in the sugary bee barf that emits small amounts of hydrogen peroxide if it does get wet.

Interesting? Is that why honey tastes so unpleasant?

YMMV, my friend. Just means more sugary bee barf for me.

Incidentally, if you drizzle honey into natural-style peanut butter and then stir it until it emulsifies, it's like better than crack.

I've had peanut butter and syrup sandwiches with chili but I've never tried peanut butter and honey. I'm intrigued by the idea.

It's really good.  When I'm on a diet and need a low-cal snack, I just mix up a bowl of peanut butter and honey and that does the trick.  If the peanut butter jar is more than 1/3 gone I just pour the honey right in and eat it with a malt spoon. Or drizzle it over a block of cream cheese.


LOL. You're mixing an oily legume puree and pure sugar together, I don't think that's "low-cal".
 
2013-08-31 11:51:05 AM

kabar: CowardlyLion: GungFu: [www.bubblews.com image 605x640]

morgan spurlock is a farking idiotic, science-hating coont. That is the politest true statement I can say about him.

/covering something in salt will help prevent microbial growth
//as will adding chemical preservatives

Wasn't that the entire point of the demonstration?


It seems weird, even for morgan spurlock, to go out of his way to publicly demonstrate that he's a science-hating coont.
 
2013-08-31 12:03:38 PM

theorellior: BigLuca: Skyfrog: theorellior: Canton: theorellior: There's also a protein in the sugary bee barf that emits small amounts of hydrogen peroxide if it does get wet.

Interesting? Is that why honey tastes so unpleasant?

YMMV, my friend. Just means more sugary bee barf for me.

Incidentally, if you drizzle honey into natural-style peanut butter and then stir it until it emulsifies, it's like better than crack.

I've had peanut butter and syrup sandwiches with chili but I've never tried peanut butter and honey. I'm intrigued by the idea.

It's really good.  When I'm on a diet and need a low-cal snack, I just mix up a bowl of peanut butter and honey and that does the trick.  If the peanut butter jar is more than 1/3 gone I just pour the honey right in and eat it with a malt spoon. Or drizzle it over a block of cream cheese.

LOL. You're mixing an oily legume puree and pure sugar together, I don't think that's "low-cal".


Well, honey's only about 50 calories per tablespoon and peanut butter's about 100 per tablespoon, so if you just have a small blob of each, it's only ~150 calories.

/it could be low-cal if you just consume very small portions
//still calorically-dense as all hell, though
///and delicious
 
2013-08-31 12:25:26 PM

PainfulItching: Just remember, a lot of what you buy as honey isn't real honey. Corn syrup everywhere. If you get a local supplier or from a farmer's market or the like, all the better.

The stay fresh rule does not apply if the honeycomb is included, IIRC.


Uh...nope. Makes no difference if honey is in comb form, as long as it is sealed away from moisture. Honey in the comb may granulate, just as the extracted/bottled version, but it is still perfectly good honey.
 
2013-08-31 12:44:35 PM

wb1gjk: PainfulItching: Just remember, a lot of what you buy as honey isn't real honey. Corn syrup everywhere. If you get a local supplier or from a farmer's market or the like, all the better.

The stay fresh rule does not apply if the honeycomb is included, IIRC.

Uh...nope. Makes no difference if honey is in comb form, as long as it is sealed away from moisture. Honey in the comb may granulate, just as the extracted/bottled version, but it is still perfectly good honey.


Yeah, the most significant difference between honey in comb form and liquid form is storage.  You can store liquid honey in small containers, but you need much more space to store comb, because honeycomb's big.  Yeah yeah yeah.  It's not small.  No no no.
 
2013-08-31 01:18:01 PM

whatsYOURname: Peanut butter on toast with banana nickels drizzled with honey with a cup of Guatemalan Gold coffee. Breakfast of champions.


I read that as "banana knuckles" and was quite confused. I presume you mean slices of banana, banana medallions.
 
2013-08-31 02:58:27 PM
I love how aside from his incredibly confused description of crystallization, the author couldn't decide between hygroscopic and hydroscopic. Why do random collections of hastily Googled facts get greenlights on Fark? This content farm shiat is all over the net.
 
2013-08-31 03:08:48 PM

Mister Peejay: Honey is a vile, disgusting substance, and I'm glad so many of you like it, because that means that you will neatly deplete any excess supply, saving the rest of us from the horrors of being force-fed that sticky crap in government-controlled chain gang honey camps.


Why am I picturing Garak from Deep Space Nine, the first time he had root beer?
 
2013-08-31 03:16:15 PM

FloydA: wb1gjk: PainfulItching: Just remember, a lot of what you buy as honey isn't real honey. Corn syrup everywhere. If you get a local supplier or from a farmer's market or the like, all the better.

The stay fresh rule does not apply if the honeycomb is included, IIRC.

Uh...nope. Makes no difference if honey is in comb form, as long as it is sealed away from moisture. Honey in the comb may granulate, just as the extracted/bottled version, but it is still perfectly good honey.

Yeah, the most significant difference between honey in comb form and liquid form is storage.  You can store liquid honey in small containers, but you need much more space to store comb, because honeycomb's big.  Yeah yeah yeah.  It's not small.  No no no.


That was a long way to go for that joke. Having said that, you might be a genius.

/would lol again
 
2013-08-31 03:37:45 PM

foxyshadis: I love how aside from his incredibly confused description of crystallization, the author couldn't decide between hygroscopic and hydroscopic. Why do random collections of hastily Googled facts get greenlights on Fark? This content farm shiat is all over the net.


Hydroscopic is a lot like irregardless in that it isn't a real word.  If someone uses either word you can immediately stop listening to them because they obviously have no idea what they are talking about, and are most likely trying to impress you with how "smart" they are.
 
2013-08-31 04:26:02 PM

0z79: BUT WHAT ABOUT WHEN TEH HONAE TARNS WIET !?!?1/11//?!?!? DAAAAEEEERRRRRPPPPP-DERP-DERP-DERP-DERP-DERP !!!!1!

........Sugar crystallizes, dumbass. That doesn't mean.... wait, cry-stal-lize... oh shiat. Longer than two syllables. You'll never get it..... but that won't stop you from ranting.


I have no clue who you are so absolutely, insanely furious with.  But this is covered in the article, and water != crystallisation. You're so outraged that I really don't know what you're foaming at the mouth about, but the article states this quite clearly:

"The fact that honey is hydroscopic means that it has little water in its natural state but can easily suck in water if its exposed to it. If it does that, it could spoil. So the final key to honey remaining unspoiled is making sure it's well sealed and stored in a dry place. "
 
2013-08-31 04:39:56 PM
So I tried a few of the fruit fly traps last night to get rid of the buggers that rode in on some organic bananas a couple of weeks ago.

Results:
Orange peel in a glass covered in saran wrap with holes in the centre = 2 live flies.
Vinegar+2 drops dishwashing liquid in a glass covered in saran wrap with holes in the centre = 5 dead floating flies.
Vinegar+2 drops dishwashing liquid in an uncovered glass = 8 dead floating flies.

Now if I can just find some way to trap all the tigers in the house I might be able to leave the bedroom someday.
 
2013-08-31 05:16:05 PM
For the person who asked about maple syrup, it gets mold on it unless it's refrigerated It also has a higher water content.
 
2013-09-01 12:23:58 AM

Max Awesome: Vinegar+2 drops dishwashing liquid in a glass covered in saran wrap with holes in the centre = 5 dead floating flies.
Vinegar+2 drops dishwashing liquid in an uncovered glass = 8 dead floating flies.


I did both of these as well and had similar results.
 
2013-09-01 01:49:46 AM
I think it's the good upbringing. It takes a hive....
 
2013-09-01 02:25:23 AM

SomeoneDumb: Does beef jerkey go bad? I guess it would, but never took the time to find out.


yes, yes it does.  have had the singularly horrific experience of restocking the impulse merchandise in a checkout lane, and doing a double-take at a jack links package whose clear "viewing window" was completely obscured by white fuzz.  i'm guessing somehow the package was never fully sealed, but yeah, i think some of the flavored ones are treated with something that will attract mold/bacteria/whatever that was.
 
2013-09-01 02:48:01 AM
Funny, so many honey snobs in here and not one mention of unpasteurized honey...

Never cared much for honey, but since discovered unpasteurized ... it's like a totally different thing... went through a few bottles in a month's time (with tea and such).. amazing stuff.
 
2013-09-01 07:09:04 AM

dittybopper: Because it's sugar.  Sugar doesn't go bad.

What do I nguyen?


The Domino theory.
 
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