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(NPR)   For small schools like the Lower Southwestern Arkansas Ladies Hairdressing, Agricultural, Technical and Military Baptist College, the only way to pay your program's way is to bend over and take it from schools from Division 1   (npr.org) divider line 105
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2013-08-30 10:19:46 PM  
Now now, you get paid even if you beat them. The problem with beating them is that other teams who want patsies get a little bit scared.

/welcome to everywhere but the BCS, where no one cares about the football and the further you go in the playoffs, the more you lose money
 
2013-08-30 10:22:39 PM  

IAmRight: Now now, you get paid even if you beat them. The problem with beating them is that other teams who want patsies get a little bit scared.

/welcome to everywhere but the BCS, where no one cares about the football and the further you go in the playoffs, the more you lose money


... Or you get like Boise and start making unreasonable home-and-home demands to teams with stadiums twice their size.
 
2013-08-30 10:26:10 PM  
Anybody watching this TT/SMU game? The refs aren't even trying to hide the fact that they are giving the game to TT.
 
2013-08-30 10:32:19 PM  
Those school serve a necessary purpose.  Without them, SEC teams might have to schedule real opponents for those 6-7 weeks of the year they usually play the Division Malk, now with Vitamin R schools.
 
2013-08-30 10:37:09 PM  
 
2013-08-30 10:40:04 PM  

ongbok: Anybody watching this TT/SMU game? The refs aren't even trying to hide the fact that they are giving the game to TT.


Those bastards!
 
2013-08-30 10:54:00 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: Those school serve a necessary purpose.  Without them, SEC teams might have to schedule real opponents for those 6-7 weeks of the year they usually play the Division Malk, now with Vitamin R schools.


Every top-tier school plays a couple cupcakes every year.  But you go on hatin' the SEC.  Bless your heart.
 
2013-08-30 10:56:11 PM  

lecavalier: IAmRight: Now now, you get paid even if you beat them. The problem with beating them is that other teams who want patsies get a little bit scared.

/welcome to everywhere but the BCS, where no one cares about the football and the further you go in the playoffs, the more you lose money

... Or you get like Boise and start making unreasonable home-and-home demands to teams with stadiums twice their size.


It's unreasonable to ask for a home game?
 
2013-08-30 11:02:10 PM  
Ah, yes. Good ol' LSWALHAT&MBC.

Go Fightin' Schizophrenics!
 
2013-08-30 11:13:29 PM  
Its ironic that more big 12/PAC 10 programs have cupcakes this weekend.
 
2013-08-30 11:17:40 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: lecavalier: IAmRight: Now now, you get paid even if you beat them. The problem with beating them is that other teams who want patsies get a little bit scared.

/welcome to everywhere but the BCS, where no one cares about the football and the further you go in the playoffs, the more you lose money

... Or you get like Boise and start making unreasonable home-and-home demands to teams with stadiums twice their size.

It's unreasonable to ask for a home game?


No when a team seats less than half of what other schools have, the normal protocol is a 2 for 1 deal which is how every other team did it to make their stones in the league. But special considerations should be made for Boise vocational school I guess, get back to me when they play a real team in the middle of the season.
 
2013-08-30 11:51:53 PM  
And KSU losses to their cupcake.
 
2013-08-30 11:53:40 PM  
First time 'heavyweight' and 'Wake Forest' have been used in the same sentence.
 
2013-08-30 11:54:38 PM  
GO DU!

Devry University.
 
2013-08-30 11:55:46 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: Those school serve a necessary purpose.  Without them, SEC teams might have to schedule real opponents for those 6-7 weeks of the year they usually play the Division Malk, now with Vitamin R schools.


Here's my argument why it's not always a bad thing to play a lower division school.
South Carolina is my team and this year their out of conference schedule is UNC, @ UCF, Coastal Carolina, and Clemson. Not a bad out of conference schedule. UNC isn't bad, UCF won 10 games last year and Clemson is considered a dark horse national championship contender and certainly an ACC championship caliber team. What about Coastal Carolina? South Carolina, of late, has established a tradition of playing the small South Carolina schools like Wofford, The Citadel, and Coastal Carolina. I think this is a good thing because the money that South Carolina gives those small schools stays in the state of South Carolina. This money then goes to fund athletic programs at those schools which allows more South Carolina kids the opportunity to play sports in college. It also gives the players on those teams from South Carolina an opportunity to play in Williams Brice stadium which is something they have been dreaming about their whole lives, but simply weren't good enough to attend South Carolina to do so. It also allows them to play against people who would have been teammates in high school or have attended a rival high school, which is fun for those kids. So I think when done that way, it's okay. It allows for a bit of a breather for the D1 team, and it provides the players on the lower division school and opportunity that they wouldn't have had before. To play in the big stadium. Maybe it's not perfect, but it's hardly the worst thing in the world. Now, I don't like it when they play out-of-state small schools, but that hasn't happened since 2006 and I think this is right trend to be on. Keep the money in state and do something good for the kids at the small school. 
Just my opinion.
 
2013-08-30 11:58:55 PM  

steamingpile: Its ironic that more big 12/PAC 10 programs have cupcakes this weekend.


True. But there a 4 teams that play 11 AQ teams... 3 of them are Pac 12 schools. The other is SMU IIRC.
 
2013-08-30 11:59:43 PM  
Big 12 never plays anyone important in the first month of football, with the single exception of Kansas. Most SEC teams play 1-2 big name games OOC.
 
2013-08-31 12:00:51 AM  

Kenny B: GO DU!

Devry University.


Meh. The University of Phoenix stadium hosts an almost NFL-quality squad.
 
2013-08-31 12:03:19 AM  

Tellurium: First time 'heavyweight' and 'Wake Forest' have been used in the same sentence.


You have never met Wake Forrest women
 
2013-08-31 12:07:00 AM  

steamingpile: And KSU losses to their cupcake.


The winner of the derp cup! North Dakota!
 
2013-08-31 12:14:16 AM  

Ivandrago: Why Would I Read the Article: Those school serve a necessary purpose.  Without them, SEC teams might have to schedule real opponents for those 6-7 weeks of the year they usually play the Division Malk, now with Vitamin R schools.

Here's my argument why it's not always a bad thing to play a lower division school.
South Carolina is my team and this year their out of conference schedule is UNC, @ UCF, Coastal Carolina, and Clemson. Not a bad out of conference schedule. UNC isn't bad, UCF won 10 games last year and Clemson is considered a dark horse national championship contender and certainly an ACC championship caliber team. What about Coastal Carolina? South Carolina, of late, has established a tradition of playing the small South Carolina schools like Wofford, The Citadel, and Coastal Carolina. I think this is a good thing because the money that South Carolina gives those small schools stays in the state of South Carolina. This money then goes to fund athletic programs at those schools which allows more South Carolina kids the opportunity to play sports in college. It also gives the players on those teams from South Carolina an opportunity to play in Williams Brice stadium which is something they have been dreaming about their whole lives, but simply weren't good enough to attend South Carolina to do so. It also allows them to play against people who would have been teammates in high school or have attended a rival high school, which is fun for those kids. So I think when done that way, it's okay. It allows for a bit of a breather for the D1 team, and it provides the players on the lower division school and opportunity that they wouldn't have had before. To play in the big stadium. Maybe it's not perfect, but it's hardly the worst thing in the world. Now, I don't like it when they play out-of-state small schools, but that hasn't happened since 2006 and I think this is right trend to be on. Keep the money in state and do something good for the kids at the small school. 
Just my opinion.


I'm a Tarheel fan, but I think a much better/more interesting game would have been East Carolina instead of UNC.
 
2013-08-31 12:14:36 AM  
Any game against a non-Div 1 school should flat-out not count.  And Div 1 needs to lose about 30-40 teams.
 
2013-08-31 12:39:45 AM  

steamingpile: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: lecavalier: IAmRight: Now now, you get paid even if you beat them. The problem with beating them is that other teams who want patsies get a little bit scared.

/welcome to everywhere but the BCS, where no one cares about the football and the further you go in the playoffs, the more you lose money

... Or you get like Boise and start making unreasonable home-and-home demands to teams with stadiums twice their size.

It's unreasonable to ask for a home game?

No when a team seats less than half of what other schools have, the normal protocol is a 2 for 1 deal which is how every other team did it to make their stones in the league. But special considerations should be made for Boise vocational school I guess, get back to me when they play a real team in the middle of the season.




BSU problem is that it's established it self as a good solid team. Hard to beat teams when they are scared to play you.
 
2013-08-31 12:55:23 AM  
www.foxsportswisconsin.com

Too soon?
 
2013-08-31 12:57:12 AM  

Pinhead Patriot: [www.foxsportswisconsin.com image 660x380]

Too soon?


never too soon.  I remember exactly where I was when that happened.
 
2013-08-31 12:59:02 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: steamingpile: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: lecavalier: IAmRight: Now now, you get paid even if you beat them. The problem with beating them is that other teams who want patsies get a little bit scared.

/welcome to everywhere but the BCS, where no one cares about the football and the further you go in the playoffs, the more you lose money

... Or you get like Boise and start making unreasonable home-and-home demands to teams with stadiums twice their size.

It's unreasonable to ask for a home game?

No when a team seats less than half of what other schools have, the normal protocol is a 2 for 1 deal which is how every other team did it to make their stones in the league. But special considerations should be made for Boise vocational school I guess, get back to me when they play a real team in the middle of the season.



BSU problem is that it's established it self as a good solid team. Hard to beat teams when they are scared to play you.


No they aren't, they are good for their conference and not much else, everyone will still whine like coonts when they are paired against top teams in the playoffs and get stomped.
 
2013-08-31 12:59:17 AM  
Military Baptist College? Is that supposed to be some sort of new cult-like school for Christians?
 
2013-08-31 01:04:35 AM  
North Dakota State laughs at your conclusion Subby.
 
2013-08-31 01:07:36 AM  

steamingpile: Mid_mo_mad_man: steamingpile: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: lecavalier: IAmRight: Now now, you get paid even if you beat them. The problem with beating them is that other teams who want patsies get a little bit scared.

/welcome to everywhere but the BCS, where no one cares about the football and the further you go in the playoffs, the more you lose money

... Or you get like Boise and start making unreasonable home-and-home demands to teams with stadiums twice their size.

It's unreasonable to ask for a home game?

No when a team seats less than half of what other schools have, the normal protocol is a 2 for 1 deal which is how every other team did it to make their stones in the league. But special considerations should be made for Boise vocational school I guess, get back to me when they play a real team in the middle of the season.



BSU problem is that it's established it self as a good solid team. Hard to beat teams when they are scared to play you.

No they aren't, they are good for their conference and not much else, everyone will still whine like coonts when they are paired against top teams in the playoffs and get stomped.


Boise State has won two BCS bowl games.

They've also beaten Georgia & VaTech on the road & Oregon at home.

But you go right on believing that Boise State is inferior.
 
2013-08-31 01:08:37 AM  

steamingpile: will still whine like coonts when they are paired against top teams in the playoffs and get stomped.


Like Georgia?  Lol...
 
2013-08-31 01:09:58 AM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: steamingpile: Mid_mo_mad_man: steamingpile: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: lecavalier: IAmRight: Now now, you get paid even if you beat them. The problem with beating them is that other teams who want patsies get a little bit scared.

/welcome to everywhere but the BCS, where no one cares about the football and the further you go in the playoffs, the more you lose money

... Or you get like Boise and start making unreasonable home-and-home demands to teams with stadiums twice their size.

It's unreasonable to ask for a home game?

No when a team seats less than half of what other schools have, the normal protocol is a 2 for 1 deal which is how every other team did it to make their stones in the league. But special considerations should be made for Boise vocational school I guess, get back to me when they play a real team in the middle of the season.



BSU problem is that it's established it self as a good solid team. Hard to beat teams when they are scared to play you.

No they aren't, they are good for their conference and not much else, everyone will still whine like coonts when they are paired against top teams in the playoffs and get stomped.

Boise State has won two BCS bowl games.

They've also beaten Georgia & VaTech on the road & Oregon at home.

But you go right on believing that Boise State is inferior.


When they play an above average regular season schedule the rest of the year I will give them credit, until then its not hard to get up for one game then try to coast.
 
2013-08-31 01:10:33 AM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: They've also beaten Georgia & VaTech on the road & Oregon at home.


Steamy is a Georgia fan, but still can't even admit that Boise was good.  never mind the fact that Georgia won the SEC East that year.  He is convinced that they would have won if they just played later that year.
 
2013-08-31 01:10:55 AM  

steamingpile: Its ironic that more big 12/PAC 10 programs have cupcakes this weekend.


Well they have to play them in Week 1 because the SEC has them all scheduled for Week 13.
 
2013-08-31 01:11:12 AM  

steamingpile: When they play an above average regular season schedule the rest of the year I will give them credit


No you won't.  You will never give Boise credit.  Quit making shiat up.
 
2013-08-31 01:13:20 AM  
steamingpile:  its not hard to get up for one game

Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, and Georgia would all contest that point.
 
2013-08-31 01:15:30 AM  

Dr. Steve Brule: Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, and Georgia would all contest that point.


Don't forget Oregon a couple of times.
 
2013-08-31 01:16:38 AM  

HeadLever: steamingpile: will still whine like coonts when they are paired against top teams in the playoffs and get stomped.

Like Georgia?  Lol...


Yes you disappear every year when Boise's SOS falls into the 80-100 range, its like clockwork.

And you will deny it but going into that game UGA was going to lose, almost everyone said that who watched them the previous year. Their defense was complete shiat thanks to Willie who left them with nothing, I said they were gonna lose that game and be lucky to win 9. Its a testament to Grantham and how good a coach he is to get them in shape so quick to finish strong. You won't find one bsu fan that wants to play them this year, if you do either they're an idiot or know nothing about football.
 
2013-08-31 01:19:51 AM  

HeadLever: Straight Outta Wells Branch: They've also beaten Georgia & VaTech on the road & Oregon at home.

Steamy is a Georgia fan, but still can't even admit that Boise was good.  never mind the fact that Georgia won the SEC East that year.  He is convinced that they would have won if they just played later that year.


They were gifted the sec east that year since sc farked up yet again, your problem is you think one game makes your team great. It doesn't, they have beat piss poor teams in the BCS and had dumb luck to play severely over rated teams to start the year. You also forget uga was not ranked that year to start on most polls and the lower 20s on very few polls. You just see Georgia and ignore they went 6-7 the year before.
 
2013-08-31 01:20:35 AM  

steamingpile: Yes you disappear every year when Boise's SOS falls into the 80-100 range, its like clockwork.


They can't control how the teams do they play every year.  They can just kick the shiat out of Georgia when they finally get the balls to schedule Boise.  They can't help it that Georgia goes on to win their division.  They can't do anything about New Mexico being a doormat.

in your eyes for some reason, things out of their control sure makes them suck, though.  I am sure it has to do with the amout of butthurt they caused your dogs to endure a year or two ago.
 
2013-08-31 01:22:50 AM  

steamingpile: They were gifted the sec east that year since sc farked up yet again,


Which I sure was Boise's fault for some reason.

your problem is you think one game makes your team great.

Nah, it is more the fact that they went 50-3 over the span of 4 years.  So add 49 on to that one game and you might have something. I know that math is hard, but gather the family, have them take off the shoes and get to work.  I know you can do it.
 
2013-08-31 01:24:12 AM  

HeadLever: steamingpile: When they play an above average regular season schedule the rest of the year I will give them credit

No you won't.  You will never give Boise credit.  Quit making shiat up.


Well a lot of people won't give them credit until they move into a tougher conference. Their conference, outside of maybe 2 other teams that may break into the top 25, is filled with cupcakes. They really should move to the Big 12. They really do seem to match up well against those teams.
 
2013-08-31 01:24:25 AM  

steamingpile: ou also forget uga was not ranked that year to start on most polls and the lower 20s on very few polls.


They were #19, moron.  But I do love it when you disparage your own team, just because you hate Boise so much.
 
2013-08-31 01:27:17 AM  

ongbok: Their conference, outside of maybe 2 other teams that may break into the top 25, is filled with cupcakes.


Yeah, they do have some cupcakes, but Fresno, Utah State, SD State, Nevada are usually mid to upper pack.  However, they are still mid major even if they are on par with the Big East and the ACC.  I would love to see it, but you have to be invited first.  In the meantime, we can just play those on our schedule.
 
2013-08-31 01:30:00 AM  

HeadLever: steamingpile: When they play an above average regular season schedule the rest of the year I will give them credit

No you won't.  You will never give Boise credit.  Quit making shiat up.


No I would but there are two problems with that, one they don't have the credentials to join even the sec let alone the other conferences who look down on the sec. And even if they do then it would make Utah's first season look like a success in the PAC 10 instead of the .500 disaster it really was.
 
2013-08-31 01:31:17 AM  

Cobblestone Flag: Big 12 never plays anyone important in the first month of football, with the single exception of Kansas. Most SEC teams play 1-2 big name games OOC.


Next year Tennessee will play a game at Norman.  Say what you want about Tennessee, but they're in the SEC and they're not Vandy.
 
2013-08-31 01:32:56 AM  

HeadLever: ongbok: Their conference, outside of maybe 2 other teams that may break into the top 25, is filled with cupcakes.

Yeah, they do have some cupcakes, but Fresno, Utah State, SD State, Nevada are usually mid to upper pack.  However, they are still mid major even if they are on par with the Big East and the ACC.  I would love to see it, but you have to be invited first.  In the meantime, we can just play those on our schedule.


Boise State has 2 problems.  1) It's a football only school. 2) Their academics are so piss poor that no upper tier conference would even contemplate admitting them.

Boise State could very well be part of the PAC-12 right now and have a decent schedule, but the board of directors swore off bringing in community colleges after allowing ASU to join.
 
2013-08-31 01:33:55 AM  

steamingpile: Straight Outta Wells Branch: steamingpile: Mid_mo_mad_man: steamingpile: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: lecavalier: IAmRight: Now now, you get paid even if you beat them. The problem with beating them is that other teams who want patsies get a little bit scared.

/welcome to everywhere but the BCS, where no one cares about the football and the further you go in the playoffs, the more you lose money

... Or you get like Boise and start making unreasonable home-and-home demands to teams with stadiums twice their size.

It's unreasonable to ask for a home game?

No when a team seats less than half of what other schools have, the normal protocol is a 2 for 1 deal which is how every other team did it to make their stones in the league. But special considerations should be made for Boise vocational school I guess, get back to me when they play a real team in the middle of the season.

BSU problem is that it's established it self as a good solid team. Hard to beat teams when they are scared to play you.

No they aren't, they are good for their conference and not much else, everyone will still whine like coonts when they are paired against top teams in the playoffs and get stomped.

Boise State has won two BCS bowl games.

They've also beaten Georgia & VaTech on the road & Oregon at home.

But you go right on believing that Boise State is inferior.

When they play an above average regular season schedule the rest of the year I will give them credit, until then its not hard to get up for one game then try to coast.


BSU is attempting to get into a BCS conference. They do try to play as hard of a non conference lineup as possible. If you become good no power conference will play you. That's why the Big Ten beats up on the Mac and Sec kills the Sunbelt
 
2013-08-31 01:34:17 AM  

HeadLever: ongbok: Their conference, outside of maybe 2 other teams that may break into the top 25, is filled with cupcakes.

Yeah, they do have some cupcakes, but Fresno, Utah State, SD State, Nevada are usually mid to upper pack.  However, they are still mid major even if they are on par with the Big East and the ACC.  I would love to see it, but you have to be invited first.  In the meantime, we can just play those on our schedule.


Do what every other teams does who wants to join a conference, petition and beg them to let you join. I'm sure the Big 12 would be open to letting them join now. The only problem is that that nice record they have accumulated over the past few years with being in the WAC and the MWC will look drastically different once they join a conference like the Big 12, and you bet that is something they don't want to see happen. I think that they would rather just accumulate wins in their weak conference, play a major school once a year, and cry and play victim to get a BCS bowl instead of going out and earning a BCS bowl in a tougher conference.
 
2013-08-31 01:34:55 AM  

HeadLever: steamingpile: ou also forget uga was not ranked that year to start on most polls and the lower 20s on very few polls.

They were #19, moron.  But I do love it when you disparage your own team, just because you hate Boise so much.


No they weren't, they finished 19 after a disastrous season, they started 22-23 on most polls and that was generous with most predicting worse.

http://blogs.ajc.com/junkyard-blawg/2011/08/05/preseason-ranking-no-s h ocker-were-still-georgia/

I never disparage my team, I'm a realist and I realize when they're bad and when they look good, your problem is you never will admit they play the same schools people disparage sec teams for playing as cupcakes. Yet Boise gets to count them as 'quality' conference wins.
 
2013-08-31 01:36:41 AM  

steamingpile: No I would but there are two problems with that, one they don't have the credentials to join even the sec let alone the other conferences who look down on the sec. And even if they do then it would make Utah's first season look like a success in the PAC 10 instead of the .500 disaster it really was.


Yep, they need to start paying their players more to get into the SEC.  And if you want to bring up the first year of Utah in the PAC 12 up you may want to know that Boise actually played them that year.  Want to know the score?  Here is a hint, Boise scored about 9 times the points that Utah did during that game.  Not a very good example there, sparky.
 
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