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(Townhall)   UNC Student Committee: So OK for the 2013-2014 academic year every single student group will get full funding except for the college republicans, they get a 75% cut. We can't have diversity of thought on campus   (townhall.com) divider line 214
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2013-08-30 09:09:50 PM
Here's why everyone who finds the situation agreeable and something that is 'deserved' are people I'm very happy are in no position of authority or responsibility.

"Because if you don't stand up for the stuff you don't like, when they come for the stuff you do like, you've already lost."
― Neil Gaiman


And here is how I get through the average politics Fark thread.

"I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to make an ass of yourself."
― Oscar Wilde


Which we all do.

/you more than me.
 
2013-08-30 09:19:35 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: wee: Actually, that's not a bad idea for all the college groups.

Indeed it is...but try to convince Generation Gimme that.


Yeah but how many baby boomers are still in college?
 
2013-08-30 09:19:57 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: SenorBenedict: Dancin_In_Anson: wee: Actually, that's not a bad idea for all the college groups.

Indeed it is...but try to convince Generation Gimme that.

Generation Gimmie? You mean the baby boomers and their looting of social security and sticking their children with the bill? That generation gimmie?

Good point. Agree totally. How much should we cut social security benefits so that it'll be solvent and younger generations won't get stuck with the bill? 5%? 10% 15?


How about COLA's only every other year for 10 (or 20) years while increasing the limit on incomes that are subject to SS taxes?

Oh, right... gotta suck rich dick.
 
2013-08-30 09:43:04 PM

TuteTibiImperes: DrPainMD: TuteTibiImperes: Debeo Summa Credo: SenorBenedict: Corvus: What's funny, is my Republican friends are also the first one who cry about lack of government services (at least for them). I had one friend biatching that they should increase hours on trolly lines until 2 am. When I had explained to him that they are cutting funding for things like schools and he is against any tax increases and ask him how would they pay for it, he did the ol' "That's just a ploy, they have lots of money they are just cutting it from important things to get back at us".

I hear that shiat all the time from my conservative family members. Its farking mystifying to them that voting down tax increases and biatching about government spending can actually cut government spending.

On the other hand, i always observe liberals asking for more spending and whining about how terrible it is when spending is cut. But ask them to chip in a little bit by funding it with a VAT or sales tax increase and you are almost always met with indignation.

Apparently the programs aren't really that important if we aren't willing to pay for them!

Because VAT and Sales taxes are regressive.  I'd be fine with a larger income tax though, even if it meant I pay more myself.

Then overpay. The IRS will gladly take your money.

That's one of the most boneheaded arguments out there.  I'm willing to do my part, but the tax burden on the working and middle class is felt much more than it is by the extremely wealthy.  We need everyone to pay in to get things done, and I want the 1%s to feel it like everyone else.


Really? The tax code is plenty progressive as it is. Top 1% makes 16% of income but pays 36% of taxes or something like that.

Liberals love to increase spending but they NEVER want to pay for it. It demonstrates that the spending they want isnt really that important. If its not worth paying a VAT for, then I'm sorry but it undermines the argument that we need the spending in the first place.
 
2013-08-30 09:46:00 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Really? The tax code is plenty progressive as it is. Top 1% makes 16% of income but pays 36% of taxes or something like that.


If you think the top earners pay too much in taxes then send them some of your income.
 
2013-08-30 09:47:33 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: wee: Actually, that's not a bad idea for all the college groups.

Indeed it is...but try to convince Generation Gimme that.


The baby boomers have nothing to do with this.
 
2013-08-30 09:51:11 PM
 
2013-08-30 09:56:41 PM
Here is a part of a response from a member of the Finance Committee, taken from the comments of my post above

First of all, comparing annual budget numbers to semester appropriations is a very unreliable comparison. Annual budget appropriations are requests for an entire year's worth of events and other costs clubs incur; semester appropriations represent only about 5 months worth of costs. Secondly, the CR request was cut in the 2nd biggest percentage in part because it was the 2nd largest request last night. The reality of UNC Student Congress Finance Committee is that we don't have enough money to fund everything, and we try to make our appropriations as widespread and helpful as we can. Part of this process is cutting large requests so that there will be money there in a few weeks when other groups' requests are heard. The only group who requested more money last night was UNControllables, who requested about $15,000 and received only $4,000.
 
2013-08-30 09:57:56 PM

spongeboob: Here is a part of a response from a member of the Finance Committee, taken from the comments of my postlink above

First of all, comparing annual budget numbers to semester appropriations is a very unreliable comparison. Annual budget appropriations are requests for an entire year's worth of events and other costs clubs incur; semester appropriations represent only about 5 months worth of costs. Secondly, the CR request was cut in the 2nd biggest percentage in part because it was the 2nd largest request last night. The reality of UNC Student Congress Finance Committee is that we don't have enough money to fund everything, and we try to make our appropriations as widespread and helpful as we can. Part of this process is cutting large requests so that there will be money there in a few weeks when other groups' requests are heard. The only group who requested more money last night was UNControllables, who requested about $15,000 and received only $4,000.



FFM
 
2013-08-30 10:02:39 PM

More_Like_A_Stain: Maynotlast: That's not what it says!  These kind of "facts" belong on FOX, not FARK.

You come here for facts? Bless your heart. That's just too precious.


I know!!  Your mom called it "ADORABLE!"
 
2013-08-30 10:03:34 PM
Somacandra: Beat me, didn't see you had posted it until after I did
 
2013-08-30 10:17:06 PM

Fart_Machine: rko281: Except they were forced to pay into this with their tuition and now the liberals are stealing their money at disbursement time to shut them up.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 200x194]


It pains me to argue with a liberal named "Fart Machine" but here we are.

I hope you are doing great and have a fantastic evening my smelly friend!
 
2013-08-30 10:36:23 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: vpb: Do college Republicans do anything thought related?

[politic365.com image 640x427]
They're great at thinking up ways to piss off everyone who isn't from a rich, white, Christian family up to their ears in old money.


Based on that sign, doesn't that mean that any Native American woman is automatically owed a dime?
 
2013-08-30 10:47:09 PM

the_dude_abides: so much unintended lol in this thread... seriously, do you warm, inclusive types in the progressive brain trust ever take a step back and see what a bigoted, piece of shiat attitude you've got towards people you disagree with?


I don't "disagree" with liars. Lies are lies. Factual inaccuracies are not "different opinions." Your insane ramblings do not deserve to be treated with dignity.
 
2013-08-30 10:58:03 PM
The only two places reporting this at all in a google search are Town Hall and a website for college Republicans. spongeboob and someone else posted the campus finance committee's reasoning, which is sound.

Conclusion: Republicans are whining about imaginary wrongs again.
 
2013-08-30 11:06:42 PM

Selena Luna: The only two places reporting this at all in a google search are Town Hall and a website for college Republicans. spongeboob and someone else posted the campus finance committee's reasoning, which is sound.

Conclusion: Republicans are whining about imaginary wrongs again.


What do you expect from a group of people that regularly engage in projection and the belief that if everything doesn't go the way they want, then they are being unfairly treated and victimized by those 'evil, liberal scum'.
 
2013-08-30 11:10:40 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: TuteTibiImperes: DrPainMD: TuteTibiImperes: Debeo Summa Credo: SenorBenedict: Corvus: What's funny, is my Republican friends are also the first one who cry about lack of government services (at least for them). I had one friend biatching that they should increase hours on trolly lines until 2 am. When I had explained to him that they are cutting funding for things like schools and he is against any tax increases and ask him how would they pay for it, he did the ol' "That's just a ploy, they have lots of money they are just cutting it from important things to get back at us".

I hear that shiat all the time from my conservative family members. Its farking mystifying to them that voting down tax increases and biatching about government spending can actually cut government spending.

On the other hand, i always observe liberals asking for more spending and whining about how terrible it is when spending is cut. But ask them to chip in a little bit by funding it with a VAT or sales tax increase and you are almost always met with indignation.

Apparently the programs aren't really that important if we aren't willing to pay for them!

Because VAT and Sales taxes are regressive.  I'd be fine with a larger income tax though, even if it meant I pay more myself.

Then overpay. The IRS will gladly take your money.

That's one of the most boneheaded arguments out there.  I'm willing to do my part, but the tax burden on the working and middle class is felt much more than it is by the extremely wealthy.  We need everyone to pay in to get things done, and I want the 1%s to feel it like everyone else.

Really? The tax code is plenty progressive as it is. Top 1% makes 16% of income but pays 36% of taxes or something like that.

Liberals love to increase spending but they NEVER want to pay for it. It demonstrates that the spending they want isnt really that important. If its not worth paying a VAT for, then I'm sorry but it undermines the argument that we need the spending in the ...


Basic cost of living expenses are fairly flat regardless of income.  Sure, some areas are more expensive than others, but by the time you've hit the top tax bracket you're making more than enough to live extremely comfortably anywhere in the US.

Also, the brackets are only for income above that level, so someone making $500,000 per year is only paying the same rate of tax on the first $40,000 as someone who only makes $40,000 per year.

The extremely wealthy can afford to pay more at the upper income levels.  Paying out 60% in tax for income over $500,000 per year won't dissuade people from trying to make that income.  Paying 30% on capital gains won't stop people from playing the market.

It's extra money that could be used to fund programs for low income families, as well as for general public works and societal enrichment projects.

It would be completely progressive, not hurting anyone that's just barely making ends meet, and by redistributing wealth to lower income people, who will then spend it and pour it right back into the economy, the entire economy grows.

I've already explained why VAT is terrible idea, but you haven't given one reason why the incredibly wealthy can't pay more.
 
2013-08-30 11:24:07 PM

WhoopAssWayne: Fart_Machine: rko281: Except they were forced to pay into this with their tuition and now the liberals are stealing their money at disbursement time to shut them up.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 200x194]

It pains me to argue with a liberal named "Fart Machine" but here we are.

I hope you are doing great and have a fantastic evening my smelly friend!


I have no idea who you are or why you're responding to this post.  Did you log into the wrong account?
 
2013-08-30 11:47:57 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-30 11:55:29 PM

A Terrible Human: [i.imgur.com image 500x334]


So vote Republican!
 
2013-08-30 11:57:15 PM

A Terrible Human: [i.imgur.com image 500x334]


This.

They love the whole "REPUBLICANS ARE STUPID HILLBILLY REDNECKS" and the "DEMOCRATS ARE IVORY TOWER ELITISTS WHO ARE OUT OF TOUCH" mantra. Both parties could care less about you and the whole "IF YOU AREN'T DEMOCRAT, YOU ARE REPUBLICAN" and vice-versa just feeds into the whole corrupt two-party system.
 
2013-08-31 12:21:04 AM
So they want the republicans to drag themselves up by their own bootstraps, that's good.  However, if the school had any integrity with the issue then they wouldn't be funding the anarchist groups, either.
 
2013-08-31 12:34:13 AM

GeneralJim: [green gotdamn characters]


HOW do you even green the text??? There isn't a button on either kind of style bar in the post box, so are you manually writing font tags every time you post?  You post in green every single time I've ever seen, you and one other Farker which is probably you, but on the off chance there's some kind of bug in the Fark code, please, please tell me, are you doing it on purpose or not?
 
2013-08-31 12:42:12 AM
If cars ran on stupid Townhall would be Saudi Arabia.
 
2013-08-31 12:51:09 AM

red5ish: If cars ran on stupid Townhall would be Saudi Arabia a country that provided a renewable energy source that allowed cars to fly faster than the speed of light.

 
2013-08-31 01:13:27 AM
Why is the anarchist group considered leftist?

Anarchist consider government a scourge from which they wish to free the populace from. Republicans consider government the source of trouble. Isn't that more 'right'?
 
2013-08-31 01:29:48 AM
More Republicans looking for handouts.  Pathetic.
 
2013-08-31 01:37:05 AM

machoprogrammer:

A Terrible Human: [i.imgur.com image 500x334]

This.

They love the whole "REPUBLICANS ARE STUPID HILLBILLY REDNECKS" and the "DEMOCRATS ARE IVORY TOWER ELITISTS WHO ARE OUT OF TOUCH" mantra. Both parties could care less about you and the whole "IF YOU AREN'T DEMOCRAT, YOU ARE REPUBLICAN" and vice-versa just feeds into the whole corrupt two-party system.

Well, yeah...   But WTH can we do about it?  I mean, the Libertarians have been putting up candidates for somewhere around 40 years, and there's pretty much nothing to show for it at the national level.  The Constitution Party has been around for over twenty years, and has the same lack of success as the Libertarians.

Historically, what generally happens is that the two parties will combine, and a new party will form opposing them.  Alternatively, the Whig party went away, and the Democrat/Republicans split.  Right now, despite the massive political efforts to polarize people into two camps, the Democrats and Republicans are almost the same party.  They'd turn themselves into one party that loves to tax and restrict everything, and spends money on everything.  Then we'd need a group like a big brother of the little parties: less concerned with government's rights, and more concerned with people's rights. A different two-party system.

 
2013-08-31 01:46:01 AM

dangelder:

GeneralJim: [green gotdamn characters]

HOW do you even green the text??? There isn't a button on either kind of style bar in the post box, so are you manually writing font tags every time you post?  You post in green every single time I've ever seen, you and one other Farker which is probably you, but on the off chance there's some kind of bug in the Fark code, please, please tell me, are you doing it on purpose or not?

Yes, it's on purpose.  It's easy.   To color text, use the following HTML command: <font color="#xxxxxx"> where xxxxxx is a number you get from the HTML color codes and names chart.  All of the fancy stuff you start with "font" statements like that are turned off with </font>.

For myself, I put the code in the buffer, and CONTROL-V paste it in wherever I need it.  I'm too lazy to research if there's an easy way to load some softkeys with it on my system...

 
2013-08-31 01:52:20 AM

iaazathot:

Herpity Derpity Doooo.....!
That's some fine leftist logic there, Sparky.  And I know how this works:  In the future, if the same subject comes up, you'll say, "Oh, I debunked that point back in that thread on the UNC clubs..."
 
2013-08-31 05:03:00 AM

SenorBenedict: Munchausen's Proxy: If you don't have a problem with this, you are certainly a hypocrite.  If the campus democrats or LGBT or any other group you like had funding reduced most would be screaming.  Like this group or not, they should not be singled out just as no other should be singled out.

They went from 12 grand to 3 grand, maybe they couldn't justify having the 12 grand and their budget got cut. Isn't that a good thing?


Welcome to the point, everyone. To brand them by Republican has started one conversation when this could be the reason to have a different conversation.
 
2013-08-31 05:04:23 AM

James!: I ran the Men's Center in my college.  We got flack because out budget was higher than everyone else, but it was only because the guy before me was too lazy to pick up his stipend.

I ended up just hosting poker nights and trips to the shooting range with the women's and LGBT groups.


Never heard it called that before...
 
2013-08-31 05:24:52 AM

derpy: the Republicans were given $12,000 the previous year, according to TFA.
This  year they wanted $8,000. They got $3,000.

One group got $5,000 to publish a magazine.
One anarchist group got $4,000.

No indication of what those two groups received previously, but their combined $9,000 is still $3,000 less than the Publicans got last year.

Maybe it's just the other guys' turn this year.

Plus, maybe you shouldn't defund education so much.


I ran a club in congress. I also was on the Club Council that determined were money went.

Most clubs were given a baseline say 1,000 dollars a semester. The other monies they got from us was determined in a huge meeting where the clubs asked for money for specific events, travel, or fairs they wished to hold.

These were all reviewed by the Council there were 15 of us. It was headed by the the head of the student senate. The clubs were allowed to speak for 3 minutes about why the event would help raise the discourse on campus, draw in possible new students, or expose their club to others. It was not that funding would not go to clubs that were doing something only their club would like, but more money was given to projects that would be more beneficial to all the students.

I was running a club that charged admission, so we actually made and donated money to the Club Council to help other clubs.

If the voting came down on spending $8k for 2 speakers, for a few hour talk that was only going to be for one very specific group on campus, I can tell you, even with our budget we would have shut them down.

A job fair at a university doesn't cost $8k to put together, and those are open to the whole staff and generally have food, entertainment, and door prizes.

To contrast the $8k. It was enough for us to send the local rock climbing club(which had the second most members.) and any guests that wanted to go on a two day camping/rock climbing experience. Now, we do live in an area with a lot of rocks to climb, so they only had to buy, food, gear, rent vehicles, and gas, but they only asked for $2.5k for the entire event, and on top of that in the end gave back the $800 they didn't use.

If the Republican group had been doing an outreach in the city that gave away cookies, ice cream, or whatever, and it raised awareness for the school and let them spread their message and was accessible to more people it might have gotten funded.

This is a case of outrage over nothing more than how budgeting works.
 
2013-08-31 05:29:52 AM

GeneralJim: Yes, it's on purpose.  It's easy.   To color text, use the following HTML command: <font color="#xxxxxx"> where xxxxxx is a number you get from the HTML color codes and names chart.  All of the fancy stuff you start with "font" statements like that are turned off with </font>.
For myself, I put the code in the buffer, and CONTROL-V paste it in wherever I need it.  I'm too lazy to research if there's an easy way to load some softkeys with it on my system...


Thanks, it's good of you to explain how it's done. Now would you mind telling me why?
 
2013-08-31 05:34:14 AM

dangelder: GeneralJim: Yes, it's on purpose.  It's easy.   To color text, use the following HTML command: <font color="#xxxxxx"> where xxxxxx is a number you get from the HTML color codes and names chart.  All of the fancy stuff you start with "font" statements like that are turned off with </font>.
For myself, I put the code in the buffer, and CONTROL-V paste it in wherever I need it.  I'm too lazy to research if there's an easy way to load some softkeys with it on my system...

Thanks, it's good of you to explain how it's done. Now would you mind telling me why?


It highlights his text, most I know favorite in green. It is a ploy to make his posts stand out.

AWs do this a lot on other forums.
 
2013-08-31 06:08:33 AM

GeneralJim: NightSteel: "The same institutions preaching tolerance are the first to shut the door on conservative voices."

Maybe because conservative voices consistently preach INtolerance?

"You must tolerate my intolerance" doesn't fly too far with anyone of average or better intelligence.
So, you prefer intolerance put into action, as compared with intolerance claimed for others? So, you like to claim Republicans are racists, but ignore the fact that Democrats founded the KKK and the Jim Crow laws, right?


Southern Democrats/'Dixiecrats'.. Y'know, the group now known as "The Republican base", thanks to the Southern Strategy.
 
2013-08-31 07:43:29 AM

super_grass: the_dude_abides: so much unintended lol in this thread... seriously, do you warm, inclusive types in the progressive brain trust ever take a step back and see what a bigoted, piece of shiat attitude you've got towards people you disagree with?

Once you hate somebody enough, everything they do is offensive to you. That goes double if you're surrounded by people who think the same and have just as little self-awareness.


It takes a small mind to be that insecure in your beliefs.  It's almost as if you can see them sticking their fingers in their ears while singing, "la la la I can't hear you."
 
2013-08-31 09:29:51 AM
Debeo Summa Credo (farkied: Koch sucker): Liberals love to increase spending but they NEVER want to pay for it.

George w. bush was a liberal?

imageshack.us
 
2013-08-31 11:10:29 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Debeo Summa Credo (farkied: Koch sucker): Liberals love to increase spending but they NEVER want to pay for it.

George w. bush was a liberal?

[imageshack.us image 640x823]


Ironically enough, the big O is now pro war in Syria at least.
 
2013-08-31 11:14:12 AM

thiefofdreams: dangelder: GeneralJim: Yes, it's on purpose.  It's easy.   To color text, use the following HTML command: <font color="#xxxxxx"> where xxxxxx is a number you get from the HTML color codes and names chart.  All of the fancy stuff you start with "font" statements like that are turned off with </font>.
For myself, I put the code in the buffer, and CONTROL-V paste it in wherever I need it.  I'm too lazy to research if there's an easy way to load some softkeys with it on my system...

Thanks, it's good of you to explain how it's done. Now would you mind telling me why?

It highlights his text, most I know favorite in green. It is a ploy to make his posts stand out.

AWs do this a lot on other forums.


To summarize he's a troll and will do anything in his pathetic cry for attention.
 
2013-08-31 12:02:51 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: vpb: Do college Republicans do anything thought related?

[politic365.com image 640x427]
They're great at thinking up ways to piss off everyone who isn't from a rich, white, Christian family up to their ears in old money.


Is it wrong that I'm wondering if anyone thought to get a African American woman to act as a front, buy up all their stock and then sell it to everyone for $1 each?  The free market in action!

/Yes a native american woman would be even better, but that would be just cruel.
 
2013-08-31 12:47:15 PM

ReluctantPaladin: Don't Troll Me Bro!: vpb: Do college Republicans do anything thought related?

[politic365.com image 640x427]
They're great at thinking up ways to piss off everyone who isn't from a rich, white, Christian family up to their ears in old money.

Is it wrong that I'm wondering if anyone thought to get a African American woman to act as a front, buy up all their stock and then sell it to everyone for $1 each?  The free market in action!

/Yes a native american woman would be even better, but that would be just cruel.


The funniest part is they didn't even bother taking the cookies out of the plastic containers they were packaged in at the gas station.  I always thought what made bake sales worthwhile is that someone actually baked the stuff, and it's typically way better than some packaged crappy cookies you find at Home Depot for $2.39/dozen.

And one of my good friends is married to a 100% Winnebago woman, and that's exactly what he said when he first saw that.  "Man, I wish my wife had strolled past something like that.  She could just take all their sh*t and resell it right in front of them... Or hand it out to everyone walking by and thank those smug little f*ckers for spreading their good fortunes around...  Or just throw it all in a nearby trash can."
 
2013-08-31 12:57:25 PM

GeneralJim: The solution is simple -- Cut the UNC Student Committee's funding by 75%


And the Basketball program, and the Football program, and any other sport that plays other colleges.
 
2013-08-31 01:02:48 PM

GeneralJim: iaazathot: Herpity Derpity Doooo.....!That's some fine leftist logic there, Sparky.  And I know how this works:  In the future, if the same subject comes up, you'll say, "Oh, I debunked that point back in that thread on the UNC clubs..."


History has sort of debunked your point already.  Why mention that racist Southern Democrats enacted Jim Crow laws without also mentioning that they were eventually overturned by Northern Democrats, which led white Southerners to begin voting for Republicans?

"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that...but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats."

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/books/phillips-southern.pdf

Following Bush's re-election, Ken Mehlman, Bush's campaign manager and Chairman of the RNC, held several large meetings with African-American business, community, and religious leaders. In his speeches, he apologized for his party's use of the Southern Strategy in the past. When asked about the strategy of using race as an issue to build GOP dominance in the once-Democratic South, Mehlman replied, "Republican candidates often have prospered by ignoring black voters and even by exploiting racial tensions," and, "by the '70s and into the '80s and '90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African-American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out. Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
 
2013-08-31 01:36:32 PM

GeneralJim: machoprogrammer: A Terrible Human: [i.imgur.com image 500x334]

This.

They love the whole "REPUBLICANS ARE STUPID HILLBILLY REDNECKS" and the "DEMOCRATS ARE IVORY TOWER ELITISTS WHO ARE OUT OF TOUCH" mantra. Both parties could care less about you and the whole "IF YOU AREN'T DEMOCRAT, YOU ARE REPUBLICAN" and vice-versa just feeds into the whole corrupt two-party system.
Well, yeah...   But WTH can we do about it?  I mean, the Libertarians have been putting up candidates for somewhere around 40 years, and there's pretty much nothing to show for it at the national level.  The Constitution Party has been around for over twenty years, and has the same lack of success as the Libertarians.
Historically, what generally happens is that the two parties will combine, and a new party will form opposing them.  Alternatively, the Whig party went away, and the Democrat/Republicans split.  Right now, despite the massive political efforts to polarize people into two camps, the Democrats and Republicans are almost the same party.  They'd turn themselves into one party that loves to tax and restrict everything, and spends money on everything.  Then we'd need a group like a big brother of the little parties: less concerned with government's rights, and more concerned with people's rights. A different two-party system.


Being a libby lib, I am more of a Green Party fan, but I agree with you. The D and R also have a monopoly on congress and have it tailored so it is really hard for another party to get in (i.e. the debates only allowing each party to come, in general).

HighOnCraic: A Terrible Human: [i.imgur.com image 500x334]

So vote Republican!


Did your caregiver help you type that, or were you able to do it all on your own? I am so proud of you if it is the latter.
 
2013-08-31 01:50:16 PM
Interesting. When I was in college (2002-2006), I was involved in both the student government association and a political group. Political groups were not allowed to receive funding of any kind from the school. Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians...they had to raise their own funds. It was a private school, too.
 
2013-08-31 02:30:13 PM

DrPainMD: NightSteel: "The same institutions preaching tolerance are the first to shut the door on conservative voices."

Maybe because conservative voices consistently preach INtolerance?

"You must tolerate my intolerance" doesn't fly too far with anyone of average or better intelligence.

Liberal voices also preach intolerance. Apparently, that intolerance must be tolerated.


Liberals preach intolerance of intolerance. I can tolerate that.
 
2013-08-31 02:36:57 PM

machoprogrammer: GeneralJim: machoprogrammer: A Terrible Human: [i.imgur.com image 500x334]

This.

They love the whole "REPUBLICANS ARE STUPID HILLBILLY REDNECKS" and the "DEMOCRATS ARE IVORY TOWER ELITISTS WHO ARE OUT OF TOUCH" mantra. Both parties could care less about you and the whole "IF YOU AREN'T DEMOCRAT, YOU ARE REPUBLICAN" and vice-versa just feeds into the whole corrupt two-party system.
Well, yeah...   But WTH can we do about it?  I mean, the Libertarians have been putting up candidates for somewhere around 40 years, and there's pretty much nothing to show for it at the national level.  The Constitution Party has been around for over twenty years, and has the same lack of success as the Libertarians.
Historically, what generally happens is that the two parties will combine, and a new party will form opposing them.  Alternatively, the Whig party went away, and the Democrat/Republicans split.  Right now, despite the massive political efforts to polarize people into two camps, the Democrats and Republicans are almost the same party.  They'd turn themselves into one party that loves to tax and restrict everything, and spends money on everything.  Then we'd need a group like a big brother of the little parties: less concerned with government's rights, and more concerned with people's rights. A different two-party system.

Being a libby lib, I am more of a Green Party fan, but I agree with you. The D and R also have a monopoly on congress and have it tailored so it is really hard for another party to get in (i.e. the debates only allowing each party to come, in general).

HighOnCraic: A Terrible Human: [i.imgur.com image 500x334]

So vote Republican!

Did your caregiver help you type that, or were you able to do it all on your own? I am so proud of you if it is the latter.


Thanks!  I generally vote for Green Party candidates at the local level, but seriously, the "both sides are the same" meme is usually pushed by right-wing concern trolls.  The Democrats have moved to the right, going back to Clinton and the Democratic Leadership Committee, but they haven't become exactly like the Republicans on a number of issues.
 
2013-08-31 03:41:12 PM

HighOnCraic: Thanks! I generally vote for Green Party candidates at the local level, but seriously, the "both sides are the same" meme is usually pushed by right-wing concern trolls. The Democrats have moved to the right, going back to Clinton and the Democratic Leadership Committee, but they haven't become exactly like the Republicans on a number of issues.


Fair enough, but the majority of people who say "BOTH SIDES ARE BAD SO VOTE REPUBLICAN" are the same idiots who blindly defend Democrats (which on Fark is a decent percentage).
 
2013-08-31 04:00:25 PM

HighOnCraic: Thanks! I generally vote for Green Party candidates at the local level, but seriously, the "both sides are the same" meme is usually pushed by right-wing concern trolls. The Democrats have moved to the right, going back to Clinton and the Democratic Leadership Committee, but they haven't become exactly like the Republicans on a number of issues.


I'm rather insulted that you called me right wing,trolling maybe but me being a Republican? Not in this farking lifetime or the next.
 
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