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(Townhall)   UNC Student Committee: So OK for the 2013-2014 academic year every single student group will get full funding except for the college republicans, they get a 75% cut. We can't have diversity of thought on campus   (townhall.com) divider line 214
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2013-08-30 02:28:21 PM  
Why do the republicans want socialism?  Get some personal responsibility bootstraps up in there.  Let the free market freely provide money to you if you have something to offer for it.
 
2013-08-30 02:33:03 PM  

Sliding Carp: Why do the republicans want socialism?  Get some personal responsibility bootstraps up in there.  Let the free market freely provide money to you if you have something to offer for it.


Aaaaand we're done! Thanks man!
 
2013-08-30 02:34:32 PM  
Thank god Townhall is keeping us informed on this very important schoolyard gossip.
 
2013-08-30 02:34:53 PM  
Anarchists requesting funding for their group.  HA!
 
2013-08-30 02:36:30 PM  
Gawd!  These entitled republicans just want one handout after another, don't they?
 
2013-08-30 02:39:09 PM  
I ran the Men's Center in my college.  We got flack because out budget was higher than everyone else, but it was only because the guy before me was too lazy to pick up his stipend.

I ended up just hosting poker nights and trips to the shooting range with the women's and LGBT groups.
 
2013-08-30 02:41:17 PM  
I thought Republicans were all for budget cuts
 
2013-08-30 02:46:37 PM  

Sliding Carp: Why do the republicans want socialism?  Get some personal responsibility bootstraps up in there.  Let the free market freely provide money to you if you have something to offer for it.


I was going to come in here and reluctantly post that they should get equal funding, and that if this happened to College Democrats we'd all be legitimately pissed off, but this response is SO much better.
 
2013-08-30 02:47:27 PM  
GO GALT
 
2013-08-30 02:59:00 PM  
Note how the article doesn't point out that they asked for way more money than either of the liberal groups cited.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-30 02:59:44 PM  
Do college Republicans do anything thought related?
 
2013-08-30 03:02:36 PM  

Trivia Jockey: Sliding Carp: Why do the republicans want socialism?  Get some personal responsibility bootstraps up in there.  Let the free market freely provide money to you if you have something to offer for it.

I was going to come in here and reluctantly post that they should get equal funding, and that if this happened to College Democrats we'd all be legitimately pissed off, but this response is SO much better.


Also, it's a shame there's no larger group the college Republicans could turn to to perhaps secure some funding - perhaps a grant of some kind, or maybe funding that hadn't been sequestered. Perhaps they could join a political party that encouraged the same sorts of things.
 
2013-08-30 03:38:35 PM  

DamnYankees: Note how the article doesn't point out that they asked for way more money than either of the liberal groups cited.


True, the amount they were alloted was very similar to other groups, they just asked for a lot more.  The differences could also be due to memberships in the groups - groups with more members should get more funding.
 
2013-08-30 03:56:22 PM  
Considering what their older brethren have done to education funding in North Carolina, I'd say 75% is a good start.
 
2013-08-30 04:01:17 PM  

DamnYankees: Note how the article doesn't point out that they asked for way more money than either of the liberal groups cited.


It does, however, provide numbers; examination of which further indicate that they got significantly less than either of the liberal groups.

Now, I'd be utterly unsurprised if there's a good rationale for the funding decision. (Most likely, the Republicans screwing up the application due to feeling automatically entitled to funding as historically normal.) Contrariwise, I'd consider this topic more suited to local media like the Daily Tar Heel )UNC's student paper) rather than any national news orifice. Nohow, I'm not yet seeing anything from the DTH website on it.
 
2013-08-30 04:26:02 PM  
I smell opportunity. They should do a fund raiser. Something like a bake sale. The UC Berkeley College Republicans could give them some tips on how to successfully pull one off.
 
2013-08-30 04:34:45 PM  
<i>requested $8,180 to bring two well-known conservative speakers to campus: the News Editor of Townhall.com,  </i>  says Townhall.com

Okay, first off; well-known? Maybe in your derp circle.

Secondly, conflict of interest much?  You're basically writing a slam piece in order to get a speaker's fee for a member of your staff, so fu*k you.

Thirdly, go cry about it. Your little toadies are getting about the same amount of money as other groups.

Fourthly,  bootstrap up, biatches.
 
2013-08-30 04:38:03 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Something like a bake sale


How about a gun show?
 
2013-08-30 04:47:58 PM  
Handouts something bootstraps something whining
 
2013-08-30 05:00:49 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: I smell opportunity. They should do a fund raiser. Something like a bake sale. The UC Berkeley College Republicans could give them some tips on how to successfully pull one off.


Yeah it's a good opportunity to wallow in ignorant racism while making money.
 
2013-08-30 05:02:35 PM  
I bet they could raise a helluva lot of money with a Punch-A-College-Republican booth.
 
2013-08-30 05:05:24 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Yeah it's a good opportunity to wallow in ignorant racism while making money.


Do whut?
 
2013-08-30 05:05:47 PM  
It has been decided that the only way to help the college republican is to get them off the dole, and teach them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.  They'll thank us afterward, for giving them the gift of self-reliance.
 
2013-08-30 05:05:51 PM  
Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-08-30 05:07:47 PM  
the Republicans were given $12,000 the previous year, according to TFA.
This  year they wanted $8,000. They got $3,000.

One group got $5,000 to publish a magazine.
One anarchist group got $4,000.

No indication of what those two groups received previously, but their combined $9,000 is still $3,000 less than the Publicans got last year.

Maybe it's just the other guys' turn this year.

Plus, maybe you shouldn't defund education so much.
 
2013-08-30 05:08:36 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Dancin_In_Anson: I smell opportunity. They should do a fund raiser. Something like a bake sale. The UC Berkeley College Republicans could give them some tips on how to successfully pull one off.

Yeah it's a good opportunity to wallow in ignorant racism while making money.


Wallowing in things can be a great way to beat the summer heat.
 
2013-08-30 05:10:02 PM  
Another day ending in 'Y', another Republican outrage.

i28.photobucket.com


*yawns*
 
Bf+
2013-08-30 05:11:25 PM  

Sliding Carp: Why do the republicans want socialism?  Get some personal responsibility bootstraps up in there.  Let the free market freely provide money to you if you have something to offer for it.


Did you point a baseball bat at the stands before typing that?
Thread over!


Wyalt Derp: Thanks, Obama.

OKOK-- Now the thread is over.
 
wee
2013-08-30 05:13:11 PM  

Sliding Carp: Let the free market freely provide money to you if you have something to offer for it.


Actually, that's not a bad idea for all the college groups.
 
2013-08-30 05:14:18 PM  

derpy: One anarchist group got $4,000.


Still trying to wrap my mind around an organized anarchy group with funding.
 
2013-08-30 05:14:32 PM  
The problem is that this group is made of  Rogue Republicans.  The rest of the NC party preaches that the answer to Chapel Hill is 'Build a wall around it and never enter".
 
2013-08-30 05:14:39 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: I smell opportunity. They should do a fund raiser. Something like a bake sale. The UC Berkeley College Republicans could give them some tips on how to successfully pull one off.


Can you cook with Republican tears and butthurt?
 
2013-08-30 05:14:59 PM  

vpb: Do college Republicans do anything thought related?


They think they do.
 
2013-08-30 05:15:53 PM  

MooseUpNorth: derpy: One anarchist group got $4,000.

Still trying to wrap my mind around an organized anarchy group with funding.


Its called fraud and embezzlement
 
2013-08-30 05:16:58 PM  

wee: Actually, that's not a bad idea for all the college groups.


Indeed it is...but try to convince Generation Gimme that.
 
2013-08-30 05:17:39 PM  

Calmamity: <i>requested $8,180 to bring two well-known conservative speakers to campus: the News Editor of Townhall.com,  </i>  says Townhall.com

Okay, first off; well-known? Maybe in your derp circle.

Secondly, conflict of interest much?  You're basically writing a slam piece in order to get a speaker's fee for a member of your staff, so fu*k you.

Fourthly,  bootstrap up, biatches.


A little on the angry side, but I cant argue with the analysis.
 
2013-08-30 05:19:27 PM  

Sliding Carp: Why do the republicans want socialism?  Get some personal responsibility bootstraps up in there.  Let the free market freely provide money to you if you have something to offer for it.


I know! If they are truly dead set against handouts, they shouldn't be whining about not getting one.
 
2013-08-30 05:21:11 PM  

MooseUpNorth: derpy: One anarchist group got $4,000.

Still trying to wrap my mind around an organized anarchy group with funding.


userserve-ak.last.fm

This is what immediately popped into my head.
 
2013-08-30 05:22:09 PM  
I dunno, an anarchist group with a Facebook page? can't be all that radical.

From the UNControllables FB page.........
Description:
We are your local, UNC anarchists. We're also anti-authoritarians, anti-capitalists, and up-to-no-good do-gooders. We seek out a world without rulers and rules, where we can live freely without having to compete against each other. We seek out a movement of uncontrollable dreamers who don't believe in authority for its own sake. We want to seduce YOU.

Besides, given the behavior of members of Republican Party over the past few years, I submit the "anarchists" are the GOP themselves.
 
2013-08-30 05:24:30 PM  

MooseUpNorth: derpy: One anarchist group got $4,000.

Still trying to wrap my mind around an organized anarchy group with funding.


College I went to, any group that could get X number of signatures on a petition could get a little bit of funding automatically.  We had some interesting groups on that campus.
 
2013-08-30 05:27:08 PM  
What's funny, is my Republican friends are also the first one who cry about lack of government services (at least for them). I had one friend biatching that they should increase hours on trolly lines until 2 am. When I had explained to him that they are cutting funding for things like schools and he is against any tax increases and ask him how would they pay for it, he did the ol' "That's just a ploy, they have lots of money they are just cutting it from important things to get back at us".
 
2013-08-30 05:29:17 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: wee: Actually, that's not a bad idea for all the college groups.

Indeed it is...but try to convince Generation Gimme that.


Generation Gimmie? You mean the baby boomers and their looting of social security and sticking their children with the bill? That generation gimmie?
 
2013-08-30 05:30:01 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson:Generation Gimme

[eyeroll]
 
2013-08-30 05:30:36 PM  
I ran a student group and never wanted any funding from the school, because I didn't want them nosing into our business.  I just paid for everything myself.  I tried pretty hard to get us an office, but there just wasn't space for it.  The group would probably still be going today if we had gotten one, probably for the best that it isn't.
 
2013-08-30 05:32:32 PM  
warthog.co.za

They should just borrow money from their parents. . .
 
2013-08-30 05:33:02 PM  

Corvus: What's funny, is my Republican friends are also the first one who cry about lack of government services (at least for them). I had one friend biatching that they should increase hours on trolly lines until 2 am. When I had explained to him that they are cutting funding for things like schools and he is against any tax increases and ask him how would they pay for it, he did the ol' "That's just a ploy, they have lots of money they are just cutting it from important things to get back at us".


I hear that shiat all the time from my conservative family members. Its farking mystifying to them that voting down tax increases and biatching about government spending can actually cut government spending.
 
2013-08-30 05:33:57 PM  
FTA:


"I'm disappointed by this decision but not surprised. The same institutions preaching tolerance are the first to shut the door on conservative voices."


Duh.

Obvious tag get its funding cut or something?
 
2013-08-30 05:34:00 PM  

SenorBenedict: Dancin_In_Anson: wee: Actually, that's not a bad idea for all the college groups.

Indeed it is...but try to convince Generation Gimme that.

Generation Gimmie? You mean the baby boomers and their looting of social security and sticking their children with the bill? That generation gimmie?


The Takingest Generation
 
2013-08-30 05:36:49 PM  

SenorBenedict: Corvus: What's funny, is my Republican friends are also the first one who cry about lack of government services (at least for them). I had one friend biatching that they should increase hours on trolly lines until 2 am. When I had explained to him that they are cutting funding for things like schools and he is against any tax increases and ask him how would they pay for it, he did the ol' "That's just a ploy, they have lots of money they are just cutting it from important things to get back at us".

I hear that shiat all the time from my conservative family members. Its farking mystifying to them that voting down tax increases and biatching about government spending can actually cut government spending.


On the other hand, i always observe liberals asking for more spending and whining about how terrible it is when spending is cut. But ask them to chip in a little bit by funding it with a VAT or sales tax increase and you are almost always met with indignation.

Apparently the programs aren't really that important if we aren't willing to pay for them!
 
2013-08-30 05:37:20 PM  
Good.
 
2013-08-30 05:38:01 PM  
HAHAHAHA

REPUBICANS ARE DUM
 
2013-08-30 05:38:50 PM  

SenorBenedict: Dancin_In_Anson: wee: Actually, that's not a bad idea for all the college groups.

Indeed it is...but try to convince Generation Gimme that.

Generation Gimmie? You mean the baby boomers and their looting of social security and sticking their children with the bill? That generation gimmie?


Good point. Agree totally. How much should we cut social security benefits so that it'll be solvent and younger generations won't get stuck with the bill? 5%? 10% 15?
 
2013-08-30 05:39:42 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: FTA:


"I'm disappointed by this decision but not surprised. The same institutions preaching tolerance are the first to shut the door on conservative voices."


Duh.

Obvious tag get its funding cut or something?


Derp!
 
2013-08-30 05:41:48 PM  
Sliding Carp: Why do the republicans want socialism?

Except they were forced to pay into this with their tuition and now the liberals are stealing their money at disbursement time to shut them up. Liberalism can't exist with free speech, open discussion, and transparency. It can only survive by shutting the other guy up.
 
2013-08-30 05:43:06 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: SenorBenedict: Dancin_In_Anson: wee: Actually, that's not a bad idea for all the college groups.

Indeed it is...but try to convince Generation Gimme that.

Generation Gimmie? You mean the baby boomers and their looting of social security and sticking their children with the bill? That generation gimmie?

Good point. Agree totally. How much should we cut social security benefits so that it'll be solvent and younger generations won't get stuck with the bill? 5%? 10% 15?


It's the Social Security uncertainty principal.

If a boomer depends on it, then it's an entitlement program used by old leeches who don't deserve young America's hard-earned money. If some TP-er attacks it, then he wants grandma to die on the street.
 
2013-08-30 05:43:42 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: SenorBenedict: Dancin_In_Anson: wee: Actually, that's not a bad idea for all the college groups.

Indeed it is...but try to convince Generation Gimme that.

Generation Gimmie? You mean the baby boomers and their looting of social security and sticking their children with the bill? That generation gimmie?

Good point. Agree totally. How much should we cut social security benefits so that it'll be solvent and younger generations won't get stuck with the bill? 5%? 10% 15?


What does Paul Ryan say?
 
2013-08-30 05:44:26 PM  

Yakk:

MooseUpNorth: derpy: One anarchist group got $4,000. Still trying to wrap my mind around an organized anarchy group with funding. [userserve-ak.last.fm image 400x300] This is what immediately popped into my head.

There was an Anarchists' Club on the Michigan State University campus a while back.  They decided they wanted the benefits (free room, power, and a small stipend) that other political clubs got, and applied.   MSU told them they'd have to elect a president in order to receive benefits.  Classic!

So they put in a system whereby the last person to show up at the meeting each month was the president of the club for the next month.  Satisfied MSU, and their quirky sense of power issues.  Apparently, it also increased on-time arrivals for the meetings.  Win, win, win.   Plus, lots of people got to put "President of the Anarchists' Club" on their resumes....  </CSB>

 
2013-08-30 05:44:39 PM  
"The same institutions preaching tolerance are the first to shut the door on conservative voices."

Maybe because conservative voices consistently preach INtolerance?

"You must tolerate my intolerance" doesn't fly too far with anyone of average or better intelligence.
 
2013-08-30 05:46:25 PM  

rko281: Except they were forced to pay into this with their tuition and now the liberals are stealing their money at disbursement time to shut them up.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-30 05:46:29 PM  
"Why do we need a zoo when we could just put up a fence around Chapel Hill?" - Senator Jesse Helms (R-NC)
 
2013-08-30 05:46:39 PM  
Maybe the little b*tches can open a water park filled with their tears.
 
2013-08-30 05:46:39 PM  
Wait till they find out that College Republicans can't vote in local elections.
 
2013-08-30 05:46:48 PM  
Elections Have Consequences. I remember when I was in college student government and our coalition ran the show. I was going to smoke ins in DC. Went and saw Mandela in ATL. right after his release. We sponsored friends organization to go protest for Lenard Peltier.

The outgoing greek lead party had conniptions.  HAHAHAHAAAA  HA


/HA
 
2013-08-30 05:48:47 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: SenorBenedict: Corvus: What's funny, is my Republican friends are also the first one who cry about lack of government services (at least for them). I had one friend biatching that they should increase hours on trolly lines until 2 am. When I had explained to him that they are cutting funding for things like schools and he is against any tax increases and ask him how would they pay for it, he did the ol' "That's just a ploy, they have lots of money they are just cutting it from important things to get back at us".

I hear that shiat all the time from my conservative family members. Its farking mystifying to them that voting down tax increases and biatching about government spending can actually cut government spending.

On the other hand, i always observe liberals asking for more spending and whining about how terrible it is when spending is cut. But ask them to chip in a little bit by funding it with a VAT or sales tax increase and you are almost always met with indignation.

Apparently the programs aren't really that important if we aren't willing to pay for them!


Because VAT and Sales taxes are regressive.  I'd be fine with a larger income tax though, even if it meant I pay more myself.  The data clearly shows that those in the top income brackets are gaining and retaining far more wealth than the middle and working class though, and that the rates at which they're doing so is increasing, so if I accept a tax increase on my own middle class income, I expect a larger tax increase on the upper tax brackets and capital gains to help balance out the wealthy inequality and make those people feel it as much as the average citizen does.
 
2013-08-30 05:48:50 PM  

James!: Thank god Townhall is keeping us informed infromed on this very important schoolyard gossip.


FTFY
 
2013-08-30 05:49:43 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: SenorBenedict: Dancin_In_Anson: wee: Actually, that's not a bad idea for all the college groups.

Indeed it is...but try to convince Generation Gimme that.

Generation Gimmie? You mean the baby boomers and their looting of social security and sticking their children with the bill? That generation gimmie?

Good point. Agree totally. How much should we cut social security benefits so that it'll be solvent and younger generations won't get stuck with the bill? 5%? 10% 15?


100%, then with our fantasy dollars because there is no way that will happen, we can pay off the war in syria.
 
2013-08-30 05:49:46 PM  

NightSteel:

"The same institutions preaching tolerance are the first to shut the door on conservative voices."

Maybe because conservative voices consistently preach INtolerance?

"You must tolerate my intolerance" doesn't fly too far with anyone of average or better intelligence.

So, you prefer intolerance put into action, as compared with intolerance claimed for others? So, you like to claim Republicans are racists, but ignore the fact that Democrats founded the KKK and the Jim Crow laws, right?
 
2013-08-30 05:51:47 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Because VAT and Sales taxes are regressive.


To him that isn't a bug it's a feature.  We have to stick it to the poor so they won't want to be poor anymore.
 
2013-08-30 05:52:13 PM  

SenorBenedict: You mean the baby boomers and their looting of social security and sticking their children with the bill?


How do you figure? Let's take into account that many if not most have been filling the lock box for 60+ years.
 
2013-08-30 05:54:09 PM  

HighOnCraic: [warthog.co.za image 550x308]

They should just borrow money from their parents. . .


I thought the thread was over... and then this. Oh man, that's gold.

/welcome to the "parents just didn't give you everything" real world. Sucks when Republicans try to oppress everyone else, huh?
//I mean, except the rich white old men, of course
 
2013-08-30 05:54:20 PM  
That's not what it says!  These kind of "facts" belong on FOX, not FARK.
 
2013-08-30 05:54:55 PM  
www.bluecollarphilosophy.com
If only I had checked the GAY box on my application.
 
2013-08-30 05:55:05 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Because VAT and Sales taxes are regressive.


That's not a bug.  That's a feature.
 
2013-08-30 05:56:39 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: TuteTibiImperes: Because VAT and Sales taxes are regressive.

That's not a bug.  That's a feature.


What we need is something called The Fair Tax.  The Fair Tax has "fair" right in the name.
 
2013-08-30 05:56:41 PM  

Maynotlast: That's not what it says!  These kind of "facts" belong on FOX, not FARK.


You come here for facts? Bless your heart. That's just too precious.
 
2013-08-30 05:58:02 PM  

clintster: Considering what their older brethren have done to education funding in North Carolina, I'd say 75% is a good start.


I was going to say something along those lines. Plus using Republican ideology this will just make them more efficient by forcing them to cut waste. You know, "starving the beast".
 
2013-08-30 06:00:47 PM  
Is there a source for this article that isn't a Theocrat Party propaganda site?
 
2013-08-30 06:01:18 PM  
Townhall?

*chortle*
 
2013-08-30 06:03:36 PM  
 
2013-08-30 06:06:27 PM  
Sounds like the student association applied a procedural cut to all of the organizations. In other words, student organizations request money, but all of the requests exceed the money allocated to the student association. So, the student association then cuts EVERY organization's funding by the same percentage to equal the allocations amount the student association actually has. Either that, or there was a specific reason to cut the funding request that Townhall, in its infinite journalistic integrity, didn't bother to investigate or report.

Did they receive less money than other orgs? Undoubtedly. Are the likely reasons for that entirely non discriminatory? Yes. I'd bet money that other conservative organizations on campus received more money, too.
 
2013-08-30 06:08:11 PM  

GeneralJim: NightSteel: "The same institutions preaching tolerance are the first to shut the door on conservative voices."

Maybe because conservative voices consistently preach INtolerance?

"You must tolerate my intolerance" doesn't fly too far with anyone of average or better intelligence.
So, you prefer intolerance put into action, as compared with intolerance claimed for others? So, you like to claim Republicans are racists, but ignore the fact that Democrats founded the KKK and the Jim Crow laws, right?


You sound very infromed.
 
2013-08-30 06:08:13 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: SenorBenedict: You mean the baby boomers and their looting of social security and sticking their children with the bill?

How do you figure? Let's take into account that many if not most have been filling the lock box for 60+ years.


Filling the lock box, than voting in politicians to loot it, and now sticking us with the bill for their politicians farking up. Social security was farked long before I was ever 18 to fix it, yet people in their 40's and 50's feel the need to shiat on my generation because "You damn kids just want everything handed to you".
 
2013-08-30 06:09:35 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: wee: Actually, that's not a bad idea for all the college groups.

Indeed it is...but try to convince Generation Gimme that.


Oh, you mean the Boomers?  I didn't think many of them were still in college anymore.
 
2013-08-30 06:10:43 PM  

SenorBenedict: Filling the lock box, than voting in politicians to loot it, and now sticking us with the bill for their politicians farking up


That's YOUR money, isn't it?

Gimme gimme gimme.
 
2013-08-30 06:11:07 PM  
Nobody is more intolerant than those who preach tolerance.
 
2013-08-30 06:14:59 PM  
If you don't have a problem with this, you are certainly a hypocrite.  If the campus democrats or LGBT or any other group you like had funding reduced most would be screaming.  Like this group or not, they should not be singled out just as no other should be singled out.
 
wee
2013-08-30 06:15:18 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Indeed it is...but try to convince Generation Gimme that.


I mean, if tuition's getting too expensive, why not go look for private funding for campus groups?  Surely the RNC can kick down a couple grand or whatever.
 
2013-08-30 06:16:13 PM  

homelessdude: I dunno, an anarchist group with a Facebook page? can't be all that radical.

From the UNControllables FB page.........
Description:
We are your local, UNC anarchists. We're also anti-authoritarians, anti-capitalists...


Which is pretty funny, as the only way to get rid of capitalism is to be extremely authoritarian.
 
2013-08-30 06:17:22 PM  

Munchausen's Proxy: If you don't have a problem with this, you are certainly a hypocrite.  If the campus democrats or LGBT or any other group you like had funding reduced most would be screaming.  Like this group or not, they should not be singled out just as no other should be singled out.


They went from 12 grand to 3 grand, maybe they couldn't justify having the 12 grand and their budget got cut. Isn't that a good thing?
 
2013-08-30 06:17:36 PM  

DrPainMD: Nobody is more intolerant than those who preach tolerance.


- Taylor Swift
 
2013-08-30 06:18:27 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Debeo Summa Credo: SenorBenedict: Corvus: What's funny, is my Republican friends are also the first one who cry about lack of government services (at least for them). I had one friend biatching that they should increase hours on trolly lines until 2 am. When I had explained to him that they are cutting funding for things like schools and he is against any tax increases and ask him how would they pay for it, he did the ol' "That's just a ploy, they have lots of money they are just cutting it from important things to get back at us".

I hear that shiat all the time from my conservative family members. Its farking mystifying to them that voting down tax increases and biatching about government spending can actually cut government spending.

On the other hand, i always observe liberals asking for more spending and whining about how terrible it is when spending is cut. But ask them to chip in a little bit by funding it with a VAT or sales tax increase and you are almost always met with indignation.

Apparently the programs aren't really that important if we aren't willing to pay for them!

Because VAT and Sales taxes are regressive.  I'd be fine with a larger income tax though, even if it meant I pay more myself.


Then overpay. The IRS will gladly take your money.
 
2013-08-30 06:20:20 PM  

NightSteel: "The same institutions preaching tolerance are the first to shut the door on conservative voices."

Maybe because conservative voices consistently preach INtolerance?

"You must tolerate my intolerance" doesn't fly too far with anyone of average or better intelligence.


Liberal voices also preach intolerance. Apparently, that intolerance must be tolerated.
 
2013-08-30 06:23:05 PM  
Some more insight here from someone on the budget committee there (underlining mine):

...The CR request was cut in the 2nd biggest percentage in part because it was the 2nd largest request last night. The reality of UNC Student Congress Finance Committee is that we don't have enough money to fund everything, and we try to make our appropriations as widespread and helpful as we can. Part of this process is cutting large requests so that there will be money there in a few weeks when other groups' requests are heard. The only group who requested more money last night was UNControllables, who requested about $15,000 and received only $4,000. We cut their request down from 5 speakers to one. As much as I appreciate the irony of an anarchist group and conservative group requesting more money than anyone else on a given night from Student Government, the reality is that that means that most likely those groups will be cut the most-not because of their political leanings or missions, but because by definition the largest requests have the most to lose in the funding process. However, even though CR funding was cut by 5000 dollars last night, the amount received was just over $3,000 dollars. That isn't nothing, and is actually about 30% more than the average amount groups received last night. No discrimination took place, and it is sad to see again that Student Congress can't function around policy actions without devolving to accusations of discrimination and unfair bias. We should be better than this.
 
2013-08-30 06:24:14 PM  
I graduated in May. While I was there they asked for $20,000 to  bring Ann Coulter for a speech and there was a huge amount of butthurt when that was declined. Pretty sure that group just exists to whine about persecution by libruls.
 
2013-08-30 06:25:25 PM  

SenorBenedict: Munchausen's Proxy: If you don't have a problem with this, you are certainly a hypocrite.  If the campus democrats or LGBT or any other group you like had funding reduced most would be screaming.  Like this group or not, they should not be singled out just as no other should be singled out.

They went from 12 grand to 3 grand, maybe they couldn't justify having the 12 grand and their budget got cut. Isn't that a good thing?


In this case fair is the good thing.  You and others can hide behind the bootstrappy comments, but they don't negate this smacks of unfair to say the least.  If you can honestly say they you would not complain at all regardless of which group is singled out, I will call you a liar.
 
2013-08-30 06:26:10 PM  

Somacandra: Some more insight here from someone on the budget committee there (underlining mine):

...The CR request was cut in the 2nd biggest percentage in part because it was the 2nd largest request last night. The reality of UNC Student Congress Finance Committee is that we don't have enough money to fund everything, and we try to make our appropriations as widespread and helpful as we can. Part of this process is cutting large requests so that there will be money there in a few weeks when other groups' requests are heard. The only group who requested more money last night was UNControllables, who requested about $15,000 and received only $4,000. We cut their request down from 5 speakers to one. As much as I appreciate the irony of an anarchist group and conservative group requesting more money than anyone else on a given night from Student Government, the reality is that that means that most likely those groups will be cut the most-not because of their political leanings or missions, but because by definition the largest requests have the most to lose in the funding process. However, even though CR funding was cut by 5000 dollars last night, the amount received was just over $3,000 dollars. That isn't nothing, and is actually about 30% more than the average amount groups received last night. No discrimination took place, and it is sad to see again that Student Congress can't function around policy actions without devolving to accusations of discrimination and unfair bias. We should be better than this.


TLDR, I'm still oppressed.  How else do you explain this meager income, disappointing marriage, and general feeling of powerlessness?
 
2013-08-30 06:26:19 PM  
So they put in a rather large request, got more than the average amount, and then whined about persecution based on idealogy when it was more they put in an early request and the council had to budget for other requests after theirs.

Wow that seems rational and not at all some kind of stifling of conservaderp speech.
 
2013-08-30 06:28:19 PM  

DrPainMD: TuteTibiImperes: Debeo Summa Credo: SenorBenedict: Corvus: What's funny, is my Republican friends are also the first one who cry about lack of government services (at least for them). I had one friend biatching that they should increase hours on trolly lines until 2 am. When I had explained to him that they are cutting funding for things like schools and he is against any tax increases and ask him how would they pay for it, he did the ol' "That's just a ploy, they have lots of money they are just cutting it from important things to get back at us".

I hear that shiat all the time from my conservative family members. Its farking mystifying to them that voting down tax increases and biatching about government spending can actually cut government spending.

On the other hand, i always observe liberals asking for more spending and whining about how terrible it is when spending is cut. But ask them to chip in a little bit by funding it with a VAT or sales tax increase and you are almost always met with indignation.

Apparently the programs aren't really that important if we aren't willing to pay for them!

Because VAT and Sales taxes are regressive.  I'd be fine with a larger income tax though, even if it meant I pay more myself.

Then overpay. The IRS will gladly take your money.


That's one of the most boneheaded arguments out there.  I'm willing to do my part, but the tax burden on the working and middle class is felt much more than it is by the extremely wealthy.  We need everyone to pay in to get things done, and I want the 1%s to feel it like everyone else.
 
2013-08-30 06:28:57 PM  
step 1: attack the source
step 2: pretend it's not happening

this is the progressive response to every single criticism levied against their party or agenda. it's sad and pathetic.
 
2013-08-30 06:29:16 PM  
2 things:  DNRTFA, but since this is Townhall, can I safely assume that the author has engaged in massive intellectual dishonesty here?

Secondly, since the state level Republicans are at war with Democrats, trying to keep them from voting, is it not fair for said Democrats to return fire, even if it's just some symbolic cheap shot?  Republicans are the only people who can punch you in the face and demand an apology for your nose hurting their fist.
 
2013-08-30 06:29:30 PM  
Rush said if I wanted workers at McDonald's to get $15/hr, I should very voluntarily pay more for my Big Mac.

I guess that means Republicans should pay more tuition if they want College Republicans to get more funding?
 
2013-08-30 06:30:09 PM  

Munchausen's Proxy: Like this group or not, they should not be singled out


It's a good thing that they weren't as has been explained above.  But they are still free to whine about it.
 
2013-08-30 06:31:25 PM  

DrPainMD: Then overpay. The IRS will gladly take your money.


If you feel the wealthy are paying too much then please send them a portion of your income.
 
2013-08-30 06:32:59 PM  

homelessdude: I dunno, an anarchist group with a Facebook page? can't be all that radical.

From the UNControllables FB page.........
Description:
We are your local, UNC anarchists. We're also anti-authoritarians, anti-capitalists, and up-to-no-good do-gooders. We seek out a world without rulers and rules, where we can live freely without having to compete against each other. We seek out a movement of uncontrollable dreamers who don't believe in authority for its own sake. We want to seduce YOU.

Besides, given the behavior of members of Republican Party over the past few years, I submit the "anarchists" are the GOP themselves.


The GOP are nihilists, not anarchists.
 
2013-08-30 06:33:27 PM  

Munchausen's Proxy: SenorBenedict: Munchausen's Proxy: If you don't have a problem with this, you are certainly a hypocrite.  If the campus democrats or LGBT or any other group you like had funding reduced most would be screaming.  Like this group or not, they should not be singled out just as no other should be singled out.

They went from 12 grand to 3 grand, maybe they couldn't justify having the 12 grand and their budget got cut. Isn't that a good thing?

In this case fair is the good thing.  You and others can hide behind the bootstrappy comments, but they don't negate this smacks of unfair to say the least.  If you can honestly say they you would not complain at all regardless of which group is singled out, I will call you a liar.


Well seeing as someone above you explained the situation I would not say its unfair since they got more than the average amount.
 
2013-08-30 06:51:10 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: SenorBenedict: You mean the baby boomers and their looting of social security and sticking their children with the bill?

How do you figure? Let's take into account that many if not most have been filling the lock box for 60+ years.


IOW: Gimme
 
2013-08-30 06:55:18 PM  

HighOnCraic: They should just borrow money from their parents. . .


Why do that when they ought to make tough sacrifices, like selling off some of their stock options?
 
2013-08-30 07:03:39 PM  
Late to the party.

Have any liberals suggested equal funding for all legitimate student organizations?
 
2013-08-30 07:06:42 PM  
So because this is coming from a Townhall link on Freeper Friday, I assume that this never happened and is a complete fabrication....
 
2013-08-30 07:06:57 PM  

cchris_39: Late to the party.

Have any liberals suggested equal funding for all legitimate student organizations?


I will suggest that.

/I don't consider College Republicans a legitimate student organization.
 
2013-08-30 07:12:20 PM  
Yeah nice conflict of Interest in the article,  Town hall is biatching about how the funding the the young Republicans got is keeping one of their own from getting (presumably) paid to speak.
 
2013-08-30 07:13:19 PM  

Warlordtrooper: I will suggest that.

/I don't consider College Republicans a legitimate student organization.


man, so clever
 
2013-08-30 07:13:39 PM  
Yakk:

A little on the angry side, but I cant argue with the analysis.

There's me in a nutshell.
 
2013-08-30 07:15:15 PM  

SenorBenedict: Dancin_In_Anson: wee: Actually, that's not a bad idea for all the college groups.

Indeed it is...but try to convince Generation Gimme that.

Generation Gimmie? You mean the baby boomers and their looting of social security and sticking their children with the bill? That generation gimmie?


The money for student groups comes from... student association fees, which everyone has to pay.  This money these greedy kids are demanding is... their own money.

/you know, after all my years here, I still don't know if DIA is the stupidest asshole on the planet or the best troll Fark has ever seen.
 
2013-08-30 07:17:48 PM  
It's highly possible people are tired of the 24/7 Derpfest from "Conservatives"
 
2013-08-30 07:26:07 PM  

DrPainMD: Liberal voices also preach intolerance.


"Bbb bbb but both sides..."

/this is why we don't need to subsidize a conservative presence
//you guys have been flogging the same three dead horses for decades
 
2013-08-30 07:27:55 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: SenorBenedict: Dancin_In_Anson: wee: Actually, that's not a bad idea for all the college groups.

Indeed it is...but try to convince Generation Gimme that.

Generation Gimmie? You mean the baby boomers and their looting of social security and sticking their children with the bill? That generation gimmie?

The money for student groups comes from... student association fees, which everyone has to pay.  This money these greedy kids are demanding is... their own money.

/you know, after all my years here, I still don't know if DIA is the stupidest asshole on the planet or the best troll Fark has ever seen.


He's not the best troll fark has ever seen.  Does that help?
 
2013-08-30 07:30:35 PM  

born_yesterday: He's not the best troll fark has ever seen. Does that help?


Then I'm depressed that someone could be that brain-numbingly stupid and yet still be literate.

Unless he has a helper money who types out his posts for him.  I'm going to pretend there's a helper monkey involved, as t will keep my brain from imploding.
 
2013-08-30 07:34:47 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: born_yesterday: He's not the best troll fark has ever seen. Does that help?

Then I'm depressed that someone could be that brain-numbingly stupid and yet still be literate.

Unless he has a helper money who types out his posts for him.  I'm going to pretend there's a helper monkey involved, as t will keep my brain from imploding.


Everything gets better when a monkey gets involved.
 
2013-08-30 07:34:50 PM  
You know why UNC doesn't fund the "Chemtrails, 9/11 Was a Government Conspiracy, and HAARP is a Government Mind Control Program" group?  Because you don't give money to whackjobs to sit around and mewl about their stupid, stupid ideas.  This is why the College Republicans shouldn't have been funded at all.  Let's face it -- basically every one of the Republican platform issues has either been debunked, dismissed, or destroyed with logic, facts, and statistics, or it's outright bigotry.  Neither of those things has any place being funded by a university which is built around the notion of education and the use of empiricism to draw logical conclusions based on observable data.  It's really just about as silly as funding the College Crusade for Christ, or the Aryan Nation.  Nobody in their right mind would dedicate public funds to either of those groups, and the Republican Party has basically become enslaved to its base, which is a pathetic, bizarre amalgamation of both of them.
Zero out the group and tell them when they come back with a platform that differs from the RNC's platform in that it's not cravenly toadying to religious fundamentalists, racists, and bigots, then they can play in the sandbox again.  Otherwise, go rent the Knights of Columbus hall and talk there.
 
2013-08-30 07:38:25 PM  

dahmers love zombie: You know why UNC doesn't fund the "Chemtrails, 9/11 Was a Government Conspiracy, and HAARP is a Government Mind Control Program" group?  Because you don't give money to whackjobs to sit around and mewl about their stupid, stupid ideas.  This is why the College Republicans shouldn't have been funded at all.  Let's face it -- basically every one of the Republican platform issues has either been debunked, dismissed, or destroyed with logic, facts, and statistics, or it's outright bigotry.  Neither of those things has any place being funded by a university which is built around the notion of education and the use of empiricism to draw logical conclusions based on observable data.  It's really just about as silly as funding the College Crusade for Christ, or the Aryan Nation.  Nobody in their right mind would dedicate public funds to either of those groups, and the Republican Party has basically become enslaved to its base, which is a pathetic, bizarre amalgamation of both of them.
Zero out the group and tell them when they come back with a platform that differs from the RNC's platform in that it's not cravenly toadying to religious fundamentalists, racists, and bigots, then they can play in the sandbox again.  Otherwise, go rent the Knights of Columbus hall and talk there.


5/10 not bad
 
2013-08-30 07:39:27 PM  
Anyone else notice that TFA failed to list the numbers for the college republicans? Interesting, no?
 
2013-08-30 07:41:12 PM  
Wow college Republicans sure have taken to the whining early. So arguably the two others aren't really political groups. One could be said that one is explicitly anti politics.

/And bootstraps biatches
//also took it from McCrory's book, cut their funding and gave their friends raises
 
2013-08-30 07:47:13 PM  
Good.  Let the Koch brothers pick up the tab.  Of all student groups, the College Republicans are probably the LAST ones that need university funding.
 
2013-08-30 07:48:27 PM  
Ya know, this article would have more credibility if it actually identified why the spending cuts occurred, the makeup of the committee, information on the finance committee's policy toward political organizations, information on their overall budget and the scope of their powers...

It'd also have more credibility if TownHall wasn't going to receive a direct financial benefit from this group getting funded.
 
2013-08-30 07:51:29 PM  
These students will now have no way to learn the political views of Townhall editors.
 
2013-08-30 07:52:05 PM  
Good. fark em. Why reason with ideologies that refuse to reciprocate?
 
2013-08-30 07:52:31 PM  
Years ago I served on a University committee to allocate housing and discovered every group that did not get what they wanted had not bothered to submit the proper forms.  My guess is that the  College Republicans just didn't bother to submit the proper forms and so the bulk of their funding was just summarily denied by a committee that has to follow the University rules.  I remember having groups we would like to help but they had just not bothered to make any attempt to fill out the correct paperwork, so we had to just deny their request - and almost all of them complained like crazy and just denied that they had failed to submit the proper paperwork even when we showed them what they had (or had not) submitted.
 
2013-08-30 07:56:49 PM  

vpb: Do college Republicans do anything thought related?


politic365.com
They're great at thinking up ways to piss off everyone who isn't from a rich, white, Christian family up to their ears in old money.
 
2013-08-30 07:57:07 PM  

Munchausen's Proxy: If you don't have a problem with this, you are certainly a hypocrite.  If the campus democrats or LGBT or any other group you like had funding reduced most would be screaming.  Like this group or not, they should not be singled out just as no other should be singled out.


You should investigate the meaning of "singled out".
 
2013-08-30 07:57:52 PM  
so much unintended lol in this thread... seriously, do you warm, inclusive types in the progressive brain trust ever take a step back and see what a bigoted, piece of shiat attitude you've got towards people you disagree with?
 
2013-08-30 08:00:33 PM  
This is higher education. They're trying to teach people to be open minded. It's hard to do that when you have conservatives walking around and spewing their derp.
 
2013-08-30 08:03:14 PM  

the_dude_abides: a bigoted, piece of shiat attitude


Nobody here is interested in your autobiography.
 
2013-08-30 08:05:13 PM  

the_dude_abides: so much unintended lol in this thread... seriously, do you warm, inclusive types in the progressive brain trust ever take a step back and see what a bigoted, piece of shiat attitude you've got towards people you disagree with?


Once you hate somebody enough, everything they do is offensive to you. That goes double if you're surrounded by people who think the same and have just as little self-awareness.
 
2013-08-30 08:06:59 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: DrPainMD: Liberal voices also preach intolerance.

"Bbb bbb but both sides..."

/this is why we don't need to subsidize a conservative presence
//you guys have been flogging the same three dead horses for decades


"You guys?" What the hell makes you think I'm a conservative?
 
2013-08-30 08:07:19 PM  
Why are they throwing away the Young Republican label?  They most certainly aren't conservatives.
 
2013-08-30 08:08:05 PM  

DrPainMD: LouDobbsAwaaaay: DrPainMD: Liberal voices also preach intolerance.

"Bbb bbb but both sides..."

/this is why we don't need to subsidize a conservative presence
//you guys have been flogging the same three dead horses for decades

"You guys?" What the hell makes you think I'm a conservative?


You're either with him or you're part of the problem.
 
2013-08-30 08:08:55 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: vpb: Do college Republicans do anything thought related?

[politic365.com image 640x427]
They're great at thinking up ways to piss off everyone who isn't from a rich, white, Christian family up to their ears in old money.


If they wanted any accuracy they'd be charging asians more than whites.
 
2013-08-30 08:10:20 PM  

super_grass: Once you hate somebody enough, everything they do is offensive to you. That goes double if you're surrounded by people who think the same and have just as little self-awareness.


well, it goes without saying that both sides do it. but considering that progressives love to trumpet the whole "we're the inclusive party that cares" thing, it's especially hypocritical that they're always raging bile against anyone who doesn't conform to their outlook. not a lot of happy warriors out there anymore.
 
2013-08-30 08:15:07 PM  
University campuses:  The platform for the closed mind
 
2013-08-30 08:16:32 PM  

the_dude_abides: super_grass: Once you hate somebody enough, everything they do is offensive to you. That goes double if you're surrounded by people who think the same and have just as little self-awareness.

well, it goes without saying that both sides do it. but considering that progressives love to trumpet the whole "we're the inclusive party that cares" thing, it's especially hypocritical that they're always raging bile against anyone who doesn't conform to their outlook. not a lot of happy warriors out there anymore.



25.media.tumblr.com 

There's openness, and then there's OPENNESSTM.


That being said, there's very little progressivism in Fark Progressives. Would you call the SJW hamplanets at Tumblr women?
 
2013-08-30 08:22:02 PM  

GeneralJim: NightSteel: "The same institutions preaching tolerance are the first to shut the door on conservative voices."

Maybe because conservative voices consistently preach INtolerance?

"You must tolerate my intolerance" doesn't fly too far with anyone of average or better intelligence.
So, you prefer intolerance put into action, as compared with intolerance claimed for others? So, you like to claim Republicans are racists, but ignore the fact that Democrats founded the KKK and the Jim Crow laws, right?


Herpity Derpity Doooo.....!
 
2013-08-30 08:28:33 PM  

iaazathot: GeneralJim: NightSteel: "The same institutions preaching tolerance are the first to shut the door on conservative voices."

Maybe because conservative voices consistently preach INtolerance?

"You must tolerate my intolerance" doesn't fly too far with anyone of average or better intelligence.
So, you prefer intolerance put into action, as compared with intolerance claimed for others? So, you like to claim Republicans are racists, but ignore the fact that Democrats founded the KKK and the Jim Crow laws, right?

Herpity Derpity Doooo.....!


I don't understand how a guy who's clearly living in the 1800s is posting on the internet.

/The General, I mean.
 
2013-08-30 08:30:13 PM  

SnakeLee: I ran a student group and never wanted any funding from the school, because I didn't want them nosing into our business.  I just paid for everything myself.  I tried pretty hard to get us an office, but there just wasn't space for it.  The group would probably still be going today if we had gotten one, probably for the best that it isn't.


You were a pimp, weren't you?

/Gator don't play that!
 
2013-08-30 08:35:13 PM  

muck4doo: This is higher education. They're trying to teach people to be open minded. It's hard to do that when you have conservatives walking around and spewing their derp.


They got banned from campus?
 
2013-08-30 08:51:36 PM  
They should have gotten three fifths.
 
2013-08-30 08:52:28 PM  

ShadowKamui: MooseUpNorth: derpy: One anarchist group got $4,000.

Still trying to wrap my mind around an organized anarchy group with funding.

Its called fraud and embezzlement


And it's far more common with student groups than people think.  I used to work on the board for student activities fees budgeting at my University.  The most notorious fraud I found was a group of five students who formed three separate student groups, all made up of the same five students and no one else, all with similar yet slightly differently-phrased objectives.  Each group requested $15,000, with their group's budgets all pretty much going to the creation and marketing of an album.  One group was going to foot the bill for a recording studio and a camera to record a video, another group was going to pay for printing CD's and a launch party for the album, and the other was going to pay for a cameraman to record the video as well as for flyers and other advertisements.  It was blatant and obvious what they were doing when I interviewed the groups.

We killed all of their funding and referred them to the Student Activities Committee for reconsideration of their charter.  They had been doing this for two years prior, but no one apparently had looked into it that deeply and until I and another committee member started questioning the ridiculousness of their expenses.
 
2013-08-30 09:03:42 PM  
The solution is simple -- Cut the UNC Student Committee's funding by 75%
 
2013-08-30 09:06:50 PM  
Munchausen's Proxy:
In this case fair is the good thing.  You and others can hide behind the bootstrappy comments, but they don't negate this smacks of unfair to say the least.  If you can honestly say they you would not complain at all regardless of which group is singled out, I will call you a liar.

They got 30% more than the average.  Is that fair?
 
2013-08-30 09:07:05 PM  
Funny for me anyways the UNControllables looks like a hyperlink but it doesn't work like one, but a Google search shows that they are hosting this on 9/4/2013 I would think that it might be of interest to the Conservatives as there is a Democrat in the White House
https://uncstudentorgs.collegiatelink.net/organization/UNControllabl es /calendar/details/267400
 
2013-08-30 09:09:50 PM  
Here's why everyone who finds the situation agreeable and something that is 'deserved' are people I'm very happy are in no position of authority or responsibility.

"Because if you don't stand up for the stuff you don't like, when they come for the stuff you do like, you've already lost."
― Neil Gaiman


And here is how I get through the average politics Fark thread.

"I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to make an ass of yourself."
― Oscar Wilde


Which we all do.

/you more than me.
 
2013-08-30 09:19:35 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: wee: Actually, that's not a bad idea for all the college groups.

Indeed it is...but try to convince Generation Gimme that.


Yeah but how many baby boomers are still in college?
 
2013-08-30 09:19:57 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: SenorBenedict: Dancin_In_Anson: wee: Actually, that's not a bad idea for all the college groups.

Indeed it is...but try to convince Generation Gimme that.

Generation Gimmie? You mean the baby boomers and their looting of social security and sticking their children with the bill? That generation gimmie?

Good point. Agree totally. How much should we cut social security benefits so that it'll be solvent and younger generations won't get stuck with the bill? 5%? 10% 15?


How about COLA's only every other year for 10 (or 20) years while increasing the limit on incomes that are subject to SS taxes?

Oh, right... gotta suck rich dick.
 
2013-08-30 09:43:04 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: DrPainMD: TuteTibiImperes: Debeo Summa Credo: SenorBenedict: Corvus: What's funny, is my Republican friends are also the first one who cry about lack of government services (at least for them). I had one friend biatching that they should increase hours on trolly lines until 2 am. When I had explained to him that they are cutting funding for things like schools and he is against any tax increases and ask him how would they pay for it, he did the ol' "That's just a ploy, they have lots of money they are just cutting it from important things to get back at us".

I hear that shiat all the time from my conservative family members. Its farking mystifying to them that voting down tax increases and biatching about government spending can actually cut government spending.

On the other hand, i always observe liberals asking for more spending and whining about how terrible it is when spending is cut. But ask them to chip in a little bit by funding it with a VAT or sales tax increase and you are almost always met with indignation.

Apparently the programs aren't really that important if we aren't willing to pay for them!

Because VAT and Sales taxes are regressive.  I'd be fine with a larger income tax though, even if it meant I pay more myself.

Then overpay. The IRS will gladly take your money.

That's one of the most boneheaded arguments out there.  I'm willing to do my part, but the tax burden on the working and middle class is felt much more than it is by the extremely wealthy.  We need everyone to pay in to get things done, and I want the 1%s to feel it like everyone else.


Really? The tax code is plenty progressive as it is. Top 1% makes 16% of income but pays 36% of taxes or something like that.

Liberals love to increase spending but they NEVER want to pay for it. It demonstrates that the spending they want isnt really that important. If its not worth paying a VAT for, then I'm sorry but it undermines the argument that we need the spending in the first place.
 
2013-08-30 09:46:00 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Really? The tax code is plenty progressive as it is. Top 1% makes 16% of income but pays 36% of taxes or something like that.


If you think the top earners pay too much in taxes then send them some of your income.
 
2013-08-30 09:47:33 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: wee: Actually, that's not a bad idea for all the college groups.

Indeed it is...but try to convince Generation Gimme that.


The baby boomers have nothing to do with this.
 
2013-08-30 09:51:11 PM  
 
2013-08-30 09:56:41 PM  
Here is a part of a response from a member of the Finance Committee, taken from the comments of my post above

First of all, comparing annual budget numbers to semester appropriations is a very unreliable comparison. Annual budget appropriations are requests for an entire year's worth of events and other costs clubs incur; semester appropriations represent only about 5 months worth of costs. Secondly, the CR request was cut in the 2nd biggest percentage in part because it was the 2nd largest request last night. The reality of UNC Student Congress Finance Committee is that we don't have enough money to fund everything, and we try to make our appropriations as widespread and helpful as we can. Part of this process is cutting large requests so that there will be money there in a few weeks when other groups' requests are heard. The only group who requested more money last night was UNControllables, who requested about $15,000 and received only $4,000.
 
2013-08-30 09:57:56 PM  

spongeboob: Here is a part of a response from a member of the Finance Committee, taken from the comments of my postlink above

First of all, comparing annual budget numbers to semester appropriations is a very unreliable comparison. Annual budget appropriations are requests for an entire year's worth of events and other costs clubs incur; semester appropriations represent only about 5 months worth of costs. Secondly, the CR request was cut in the 2nd biggest percentage in part because it was the 2nd largest request last night. The reality of UNC Student Congress Finance Committee is that we don't have enough money to fund everything, and we try to make our appropriations as widespread and helpful as we can. Part of this process is cutting large requests so that there will be money there in a few weeks when other groups' requests are heard. The only group who requested more money last night was UNControllables, who requested about $15,000 and received only $4,000.



FFM
 
2013-08-30 10:02:39 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: Maynotlast: That's not what it says!  These kind of "facts" belong on FOX, not FARK.

You come here for facts? Bless your heart. That's just too precious.


I know!!  Your mom called it "ADORABLE!"
 
2013-08-30 10:03:34 PM  
Somacandra: Beat me, didn't see you had posted it until after I did
 
2013-08-30 10:17:06 PM  

Fart_Machine: rko281: Except they were forced to pay into this with their tuition and now the liberals are stealing their money at disbursement time to shut them up.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 200x194]


It pains me to argue with a liberal named "Fart Machine" but here we are.

I hope you are doing great and have a fantastic evening my smelly friend!
 
2013-08-30 10:36:23 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: vpb: Do college Republicans do anything thought related?

[politic365.com image 640x427]
They're great at thinking up ways to piss off everyone who isn't from a rich, white, Christian family up to their ears in old money.


Based on that sign, doesn't that mean that any Native American woman is automatically owed a dime?
 
2013-08-30 10:47:09 PM  

the_dude_abides: so much unintended lol in this thread... seriously, do you warm, inclusive types in the progressive brain trust ever take a step back and see what a bigoted, piece of shiat attitude you've got towards people you disagree with?


I don't "disagree" with liars. Lies are lies. Factual inaccuracies are not "different opinions." Your insane ramblings do not deserve to be treated with dignity.
 
2013-08-30 10:58:03 PM  
The only two places reporting this at all in a google search are Town Hall and a website for college Republicans. spongeboob and someone else posted the campus finance committee's reasoning, which is sound.

Conclusion: Republicans are whining about imaginary wrongs again.
 
2013-08-30 11:06:42 PM  

Selena Luna: The only two places reporting this at all in a google search are Town Hall and a website for college Republicans. spongeboob and someone else posted the campus finance committee's reasoning, which is sound.

Conclusion: Republicans are whining about imaginary wrongs again.


What do you expect from a group of people that regularly engage in projection and the belief that if everything doesn't go the way they want, then they are being unfairly treated and victimized by those 'evil, liberal scum'.
 
2013-08-30 11:10:40 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: TuteTibiImperes: DrPainMD: TuteTibiImperes: Debeo Summa Credo: SenorBenedict: Corvus: What's funny, is my Republican friends are also the first one who cry about lack of government services (at least for them). I had one friend biatching that they should increase hours on trolly lines until 2 am. When I had explained to him that they are cutting funding for things like schools and he is against any tax increases and ask him how would they pay for it, he did the ol' "That's just a ploy, they have lots of money they are just cutting it from important things to get back at us".

I hear that shiat all the time from my conservative family members. Its farking mystifying to them that voting down tax increases and biatching about government spending can actually cut government spending.

On the other hand, i always observe liberals asking for more spending and whining about how terrible it is when spending is cut. But ask them to chip in a little bit by funding it with a VAT or sales tax increase and you are almost always met with indignation.

Apparently the programs aren't really that important if we aren't willing to pay for them!

Because VAT and Sales taxes are regressive.  I'd be fine with a larger income tax though, even if it meant I pay more myself.

Then overpay. The IRS will gladly take your money.

That's one of the most boneheaded arguments out there.  I'm willing to do my part, but the tax burden on the working and middle class is felt much more than it is by the extremely wealthy.  We need everyone to pay in to get things done, and I want the 1%s to feel it like everyone else.

Really? The tax code is plenty progressive as it is. Top 1% makes 16% of income but pays 36% of taxes or something like that.

Liberals love to increase spending but they NEVER want to pay for it. It demonstrates that the spending they want isnt really that important. If its not worth paying a VAT for, then I'm sorry but it undermines the argument that we need the spending in the ...


Basic cost of living expenses are fairly flat regardless of income.  Sure, some areas are more expensive than others, but by the time you've hit the top tax bracket you're making more than enough to live extremely comfortably anywhere in the US.

Also, the brackets are only for income above that level, so someone making $500,000 per year is only paying the same rate of tax on the first $40,000 as someone who only makes $40,000 per year.

The extremely wealthy can afford to pay more at the upper income levels.  Paying out 60% in tax for income over $500,000 per year won't dissuade people from trying to make that income.  Paying 30% on capital gains won't stop people from playing the market.

It's extra money that could be used to fund programs for low income families, as well as for general public works and societal enrichment projects.

It would be completely progressive, not hurting anyone that's just barely making ends meet, and by redistributing wealth to lower income people, who will then spend it and pour it right back into the economy, the entire economy grows.

I've already explained why VAT is terrible idea, but you haven't given one reason why the incredibly wealthy can't pay more.
 
2013-08-30 11:24:07 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: Fart_Machine: rko281: Except they were forced to pay into this with their tuition and now the liberals are stealing their money at disbursement time to shut them up.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 200x194]

It pains me to argue with a liberal named "Fart Machine" but here we are.

I hope you are doing great and have a fantastic evening my smelly friend!


I have no idea who you are or why you're responding to this post.  Did you log into the wrong account?
 
2013-08-30 11:47:57 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-30 11:55:29 PM  

A Terrible Human: [i.imgur.com image 500x334]


So vote Republican!
 
2013-08-30 11:57:15 PM  

A Terrible Human: [i.imgur.com image 500x334]


This.

They love the whole "REPUBLICANS ARE STUPID HILLBILLY REDNECKS" and the "DEMOCRATS ARE IVORY TOWER ELITISTS WHO ARE OUT OF TOUCH" mantra. Both parties could care less about you and the whole "IF YOU AREN'T DEMOCRAT, YOU ARE REPUBLICAN" and vice-versa just feeds into the whole corrupt two-party system.
 
2013-08-31 12:21:04 AM  
So they want the republicans to drag themselves up by their own bootstraps, that's good.  However, if the school had any integrity with the issue then they wouldn't be funding the anarchist groups, either.
 
2013-08-31 12:34:13 AM  

GeneralJim: [green gotdamn characters]


HOW do you even green the text??? There isn't a button on either kind of style bar in the post box, so are you manually writing font tags every time you post?  You post in green every single time I've ever seen, you and one other Farker which is probably you, but on the off chance there's some kind of bug in the Fark code, please, please tell me, are you doing it on purpose or not?
 
2013-08-31 12:42:12 AM  
If cars ran on stupid Townhall would be Saudi Arabia.
 
2013-08-31 12:51:09 AM  

red5ish: If cars ran on stupid Townhall would be Saudi Arabia a country that provided a renewable energy source that allowed cars to fly faster than the speed of light.

 
2013-08-31 01:13:27 AM  
Why is the anarchist group considered leftist?

Anarchist consider government a scourge from which they wish to free the populace from. Republicans consider government the source of trouble. Isn't that more 'right'?
 
2013-08-31 01:29:48 AM  
More Republicans looking for handouts.  Pathetic.
 
2013-08-31 01:37:05 AM  

machoprogrammer:

A Terrible Human: [i.imgur.com image 500x334]

This.

They love the whole "REPUBLICANS ARE STUPID HILLBILLY REDNECKS" and the "DEMOCRATS ARE IVORY TOWER ELITISTS WHO ARE OUT OF TOUCH" mantra. Both parties could care less about you and the whole "IF YOU AREN'T DEMOCRAT, YOU ARE REPUBLICAN" and vice-versa just feeds into the whole corrupt two-party system.

Well, yeah...   But WTH can we do about it?  I mean, the Libertarians have been putting up candidates for somewhere around 40 years, and there's pretty much nothing to show for it at the national level.  The Constitution Party has been around for over twenty years, and has the same lack of success as the Libertarians.

Historically, what generally happens is that the two parties will combine, and a new party will form opposing them.  Alternatively, the Whig party went away, and the Democrat/Republicans split.  Right now, despite the massive political efforts to polarize people into two camps, the Democrats and Republicans are almost the same party.  They'd turn themselves into one party that loves to tax and restrict everything, and spends money on everything.  Then we'd need a group like a big brother of the little parties: less concerned with government's rights, and more concerned with people's rights. A different two-party system.

 
2013-08-31 01:46:01 AM  

dangelder:

GeneralJim: [green gotdamn characters]

HOW do you even green the text??? There isn't a button on either kind of style bar in the post box, so are you manually writing font tags every time you post?  You post in green every single time I've ever seen, you and one other Farker which is probably you, but on the off chance there's some kind of bug in the Fark code, please, please tell me, are you doing it on purpose or not?

Yes, it's on purpose.  It's easy.   To color text, use the following HTML command: <font color="#xxxxxx"> where xxxxxx is a number you get from the HTML color codes and names chart.  All of the fancy stuff you start with "font" statements like that are turned off with </font>.

For myself, I put the code in the buffer, and CONTROL-V paste it in wherever I need it.  I'm too lazy to research if there's an easy way to load some softkeys with it on my system...

 
2013-08-31 01:52:20 AM  

iaazathot:

Herpity Derpity Doooo.....!
That's some fine leftist logic there, Sparky.  And I know how this works:  In the future, if the same subject comes up, you'll say, "Oh, I debunked that point back in that thread on the UNC clubs..."
 
2013-08-31 05:03:00 AM  

SenorBenedict: Munchausen's Proxy: If you don't have a problem with this, you are certainly a hypocrite.  If the campus democrats or LGBT or any other group you like had funding reduced most would be screaming.  Like this group or not, they should not be singled out just as no other should be singled out.

They went from 12 grand to 3 grand, maybe they couldn't justify having the 12 grand and their budget got cut. Isn't that a good thing?


Welcome to the point, everyone. To brand them by Republican has started one conversation when this could be the reason to have a different conversation.
 
2013-08-31 05:04:23 AM  

James!: I ran the Men's Center in my college.  We got flack because out budget was higher than everyone else, but it was only because the guy before me was too lazy to pick up his stipend.

I ended up just hosting poker nights and trips to the shooting range with the women's and LGBT groups.


Never heard it called that before...
 
2013-08-31 05:24:52 AM  

derpy: the Republicans were given $12,000 the previous year, according to TFA.
This  year they wanted $8,000. They got $3,000.

One group got $5,000 to publish a magazine.
One anarchist group got $4,000.

No indication of what those two groups received previously, but their combined $9,000 is still $3,000 less than the Publicans got last year.

Maybe it's just the other guys' turn this year.

Plus, maybe you shouldn't defund education so much.


I ran a club in congress. I also was on the Club Council that determined were money went.

Most clubs were given a baseline say 1,000 dollars a semester. The other monies they got from us was determined in a huge meeting where the clubs asked for money for specific events, travel, or fairs they wished to hold.

These were all reviewed by the Council there were 15 of us. It was headed by the the head of the student senate. The clubs were allowed to speak for 3 minutes about why the event would help raise the discourse on campus, draw in possible new students, or expose their club to others. It was not that funding would not go to clubs that were doing something only their club would like, but more money was given to projects that would be more beneficial to all the students.

I was running a club that charged admission, so we actually made and donated money to the Club Council to help other clubs.

If the voting came down on spending $8k for 2 speakers, for a few hour talk that was only going to be for one very specific group on campus, I can tell you, even with our budget we would have shut them down.

A job fair at a university doesn't cost $8k to put together, and those are open to the whole staff and generally have food, entertainment, and door prizes.

To contrast the $8k. It was enough for us to send the local rock climbing club(which had the second most members.) and any guests that wanted to go on a two day camping/rock climbing experience. Now, we do live in an area with a lot of rocks to climb, so they only had to buy, food, gear, rent vehicles, and gas, but they only asked for $2.5k for the entire event, and on top of that in the end gave back the $800 they didn't use.

If the Republican group had been doing an outreach in the city that gave away cookies, ice cream, or whatever, and it raised awareness for the school and let them spread their message and was accessible to more people it might have gotten funded.

This is a case of outrage over nothing more than how budgeting works.
 
2013-08-31 05:29:52 AM  

GeneralJim: Yes, it's on purpose.  It's easy.   To color text, use the following HTML command: <font color="#xxxxxx"> where xxxxxx is a number you get from the HTML color codes and names chart.  All of the fancy stuff you start with "font" statements like that are turned off with </font>.
For myself, I put the code in the buffer, and CONTROL-V paste it in wherever I need it.  I'm too lazy to research if there's an easy way to load some softkeys with it on my system...


Thanks, it's good of you to explain how it's done. Now would you mind telling me why?
 
2013-08-31 05:34:14 AM  

dangelder: GeneralJim: Yes, it's on purpose.  It's easy.   To color text, use the following HTML command: <font color="#xxxxxx"> where xxxxxx is a number you get from the HTML color codes and names chart.  All of the fancy stuff you start with "font" statements like that are turned off with </font>.
For myself, I put the code in the buffer, and CONTROL-V paste it in wherever I need it.  I'm too lazy to research if there's an easy way to load some softkeys with it on my system...

Thanks, it's good of you to explain how it's done. Now would you mind telling me why?


It highlights his text, most I know favorite in green. It is a ploy to make his posts stand out.

AWs do this a lot on other forums.
 
2013-08-31 06:08:33 AM  

GeneralJim: NightSteel: "The same institutions preaching tolerance are the first to shut the door on conservative voices."

Maybe because conservative voices consistently preach INtolerance?

"You must tolerate my intolerance" doesn't fly too far with anyone of average or better intelligence.
So, you prefer intolerance put into action, as compared with intolerance claimed for others? So, you like to claim Republicans are racists, but ignore the fact that Democrats founded the KKK and the Jim Crow laws, right?


Southern Democrats/'Dixiecrats'.. Y'know, the group now known as "The Republican base", thanks to the Southern Strategy.
 
2013-08-31 07:43:29 AM  

super_grass: the_dude_abides: so much unintended lol in this thread... seriously, do you warm, inclusive types in the progressive brain trust ever take a step back and see what a bigoted, piece of shiat attitude you've got towards people you disagree with?

Once you hate somebody enough, everything they do is offensive to you. That goes double if you're surrounded by people who think the same and have just as little self-awareness.


It takes a small mind to be that insecure in your beliefs.  It's almost as if you can see them sticking their fingers in their ears while singing, "la la la I can't hear you."
 
2013-08-31 09:29:51 AM  
Debeo Summa Credo (farkied: Koch sucker): Liberals love to increase spending but they NEVER want to pay for it.

George w. bush was a liberal?

imageshack.us
 
2013-08-31 11:10:29 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Debeo Summa Credo (farkied: Koch sucker): Liberals love to increase spending but they NEVER want to pay for it.

George w. bush was a liberal?

[imageshack.us image 640x823]


Ironically enough, the big O is now pro war in Syria at least.
 
2013-08-31 11:14:12 AM  

thiefofdreams: dangelder: GeneralJim: Yes, it's on purpose.  It's easy.   To color text, use the following HTML command: <font color="#xxxxxx"> where xxxxxx is a number you get from the HTML color codes and names chart.  All of the fancy stuff you start with "font" statements like that are turned off with </font>.
For myself, I put the code in the buffer, and CONTROL-V paste it in wherever I need it.  I'm too lazy to research if there's an easy way to load some softkeys with it on my system...

Thanks, it's good of you to explain how it's done. Now would you mind telling me why?

It highlights his text, most I know favorite in green. It is a ploy to make his posts stand out.

AWs do this a lot on other forums.


To summarize he's a troll and will do anything in his pathetic cry for attention.
 
2013-08-31 12:02:51 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: vpb: Do college Republicans do anything thought related?

[politic365.com image 640x427]
They're great at thinking up ways to piss off everyone who isn't from a rich, white, Christian family up to their ears in old money.


Is it wrong that I'm wondering if anyone thought to get a African American woman to act as a front, buy up all their stock and then sell it to everyone for $1 each?  The free market in action!

/Yes a native american woman would be even better, but that would be just cruel.
 
2013-08-31 12:47:15 PM  

ReluctantPaladin: Don't Troll Me Bro!: vpb: Do college Republicans do anything thought related?

[politic365.com image 640x427]
They're great at thinking up ways to piss off everyone who isn't from a rich, white, Christian family up to their ears in old money.

Is it wrong that I'm wondering if anyone thought to get a African American woman to act as a front, buy up all their stock and then sell it to everyone for $1 each?  The free market in action!

/Yes a native american woman would be even better, but that would be just cruel.


The funniest part is they didn't even bother taking the cookies out of the plastic containers they were packaged in at the gas station.  I always thought what made bake sales worthwhile is that someone actually baked the stuff, and it's typically way better than some packaged crappy cookies you find at Home Depot for $2.39/dozen.

And one of my good friends is married to a 100% Winnebago woman, and that's exactly what he said when he first saw that.  "Man, I wish my wife had strolled past something like that.  She could just take all their sh*t and resell it right in front of them... Or hand it out to everyone walking by and thank those smug little f*ckers for spreading their good fortunes around...  Or just throw it all in a nearby trash can."
 
2013-08-31 12:57:25 PM  

GeneralJim: The solution is simple -- Cut the UNC Student Committee's funding by 75%


And the Basketball program, and the Football program, and any other sport that plays other colleges.
 
2013-08-31 01:02:48 PM  

GeneralJim: iaazathot: Herpity Derpity Doooo.....!That's some fine leftist logic there, Sparky.  And I know how this works:  In the future, if the same subject comes up, you'll say, "Oh, I debunked that point back in that thread on the UNC clubs..."


History has sort of debunked your point already.  Why mention that racist Southern Democrats enacted Jim Crow laws without also mentioning that they were eventually overturned by Northern Democrats, which led white Southerners to begin voting for Republicans?

"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that...but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats."

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/books/phillips-southern.pdf

Following Bush's re-election, Ken Mehlman, Bush's campaign manager and Chairman of the RNC, held several large meetings with African-American business, community, and religious leaders. In his speeches, he apologized for his party's use of the Southern Strategy in the past. When asked about the strategy of using race as an issue to build GOP dominance in the once-Democratic South, Mehlman replied, "Republican candidates often have prospered by ignoring black voters and even by exploiting racial tensions," and, "by the '70s and into the '80s and '90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African-American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out. Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
 
2013-08-31 01:36:32 PM  

GeneralJim: machoprogrammer: A Terrible Human: [i.imgur.com image 500x334]

This.

They love the whole "REPUBLICANS ARE STUPID HILLBILLY REDNECKS" and the "DEMOCRATS ARE IVORY TOWER ELITISTS WHO ARE OUT OF TOUCH" mantra. Both parties could care less about you and the whole "IF YOU AREN'T DEMOCRAT, YOU ARE REPUBLICAN" and vice-versa just feeds into the whole corrupt two-party system.
Well, yeah...   But WTH can we do about it?  I mean, the Libertarians have been putting up candidates for somewhere around 40 years, and there's pretty much nothing to show for it at the national level.  The Constitution Party has been around for over twenty years, and has the same lack of success as the Libertarians.
Historically, what generally happens is that the two parties will combine, and a new party will form opposing them.  Alternatively, the Whig party went away, and the Democrat/Republicans split.  Right now, despite the massive political efforts to polarize people into two camps, the Democrats and Republicans are almost the same party.  They'd turn themselves into one party that loves to tax and restrict everything, and spends money on everything.  Then we'd need a group like a big brother of the little parties: less concerned with government's rights, and more concerned with people's rights. A different two-party system.


Being a libby lib, I am more of a Green Party fan, but I agree with you. The D and R also have a monopoly on congress and have it tailored so it is really hard for another party to get in (i.e. the debates only allowing each party to come, in general).

HighOnCraic: A Terrible Human: [i.imgur.com image 500x334]

So vote Republican!


Did your caregiver help you type that, or were you able to do it all on your own? I am so proud of you if it is the latter.
 
2013-08-31 01:50:16 PM  
Interesting. When I was in college (2002-2006), I was involved in both the student government association and a political group. Political groups were not allowed to receive funding of any kind from the school. Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians...they had to raise their own funds. It was a private school, too.
 
2013-08-31 02:30:13 PM  

DrPainMD: NightSteel: "The same institutions preaching tolerance are the first to shut the door on conservative voices."

Maybe because conservative voices consistently preach INtolerance?

"You must tolerate my intolerance" doesn't fly too far with anyone of average or better intelligence.

Liberal voices also preach intolerance. Apparently, that intolerance must be tolerated.


Liberals preach intolerance of intolerance. I can tolerate that.
 
2013-08-31 02:36:57 PM  

machoprogrammer: GeneralJim: machoprogrammer: A Terrible Human: [i.imgur.com image 500x334]

This.

They love the whole "REPUBLICANS ARE STUPID HILLBILLY REDNECKS" and the "DEMOCRATS ARE IVORY TOWER ELITISTS WHO ARE OUT OF TOUCH" mantra. Both parties could care less about you and the whole "IF YOU AREN'T DEMOCRAT, YOU ARE REPUBLICAN" and vice-versa just feeds into the whole corrupt two-party system.
Well, yeah...   But WTH can we do about it?  I mean, the Libertarians have been putting up candidates for somewhere around 40 years, and there's pretty much nothing to show for it at the national level.  The Constitution Party has been around for over twenty years, and has the same lack of success as the Libertarians.
Historically, what generally happens is that the two parties will combine, and a new party will form opposing them.  Alternatively, the Whig party went away, and the Democrat/Republicans split.  Right now, despite the massive political efforts to polarize people into two camps, the Democrats and Republicans are almost the same party.  They'd turn themselves into one party that loves to tax and restrict everything, and spends money on everything.  Then we'd need a group like a big brother of the little parties: less concerned with government's rights, and more concerned with people's rights. A different two-party system.

Being a libby lib, I am more of a Green Party fan, but I agree with you. The D and R also have a monopoly on congress and have it tailored so it is really hard for another party to get in (i.e. the debates only allowing each party to come, in general).

HighOnCraic: A Terrible Human: [i.imgur.com image 500x334]

So vote Republican!

Did your caregiver help you type that, or were you able to do it all on your own? I am so proud of you if it is the latter.


Thanks!  I generally vote for Green Party candidates at the local level, but seriously, the "both sides are the same" meme is usually pushed by right-wing concern trolls.  The Democrats have moved to the right, going back to Clinton and the Democratic Leadership Committee, but they haven't become exactly like the Republicans on a number of issues.
 
2013-08-31 03:41:12 PM  

HighOnCraic: Thanks! I generally vote for Green Party candidates at the local level, but seriously, the "both sides are the same" meme is usually pushed by right-wing concern trolls. The Democrats have moved to the right, going back to Clinton and the Democratic Leadership Committee, but they haven't become exactly like the Republicans on a number of issues.


Fair enough, but the majority of people who say "BOTH SIDES ARE BAD SO VOTE REPUBLICAN" are the same idiots who blindly defend Democrats (which on Fark is a decent percentage).
 
2013-08-31 04:00:25 PM  

HighOnCraic: Thanks! I generally vote for Green Party candidates at the local level, but seriously, the "both sides are the same" meme is usually pushed by right-wing concern trolls. The Democrats have moved to the right, going back to Clinton and the Democratic Leadership Committee, but they haven't become exactly like the Republicans on a number of issues.


I'm rather insulted that you called me right wing,trolling maybe but me being a Republican? Not in this farking lifetime or the next.
 
2013-08-31 05:32:40 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Debeo Summa Credo (farkied: Koch sucker): Liberals love to increase spending but they NEVER want to pay for it.

George w. bush was a liberal?

[imageshack.us image 640x823]


And Ronald Reagan.
 
2013-08-31 05:42:17 PM  

A Terrible Human: HighOnCraic: Thanks! I generally vote for Green Party candidates at the local level, but seriously, the "both sides are the same" meme is usually pushed by right-wing concern trolls. The Democrats have moved to the right, going back to Clinton and the Democratic Leadership Committee, but they haven't become exactly like the Republicans on a number of issues.

I'm rather insulted that you called me right wing,trolling maybe but me being a Republican? Not in this farking lifetime or the next.


Wow, a genuine concerned Fark Independent!  How rare!
 
2013-08-31 07:23:54 PM  

dangelder:

GeneralJim: Yes, it's on purpose.  It's easy.   To color text, use the following HTML command: <font color="#xxxxxx"> where xxxxxx is a number you get from the HTML color codes and names chart.  All of the fancy stuff you start with "font" statements like that are turned off with </font>.

For myself, I put the code in the buffer, and CONTROL-V paste it in wherever I need it.  I'm too lazy to research if there's an easy way to load some softkeys with it on my system...


Thanks, it's good of you to explain how it's done. Now would you mind telling me why?

No, not at all.  I started doing it during the Iranian uprising a couple years ago.  If there was ever a time FOR American intervention it was to help free the Iranian people from their horrid theocracy -- but we did nothing.  Iranians, especially younger ones, are very pro-Western, and especially pro-American.  When I was in university housing, I lived with mostly Iranian students, and they were the nicest group of people I've ever seen.  I'm keeping my text green until the Iranian people are free of the current theocracy.
 
2013-08-31 07:25:02 PM  

HighOnCraic: A Terrible Human: HighOnCraic: Thanks! I generally vote for Green Party candidates at the local level, but seriously, the "both sides are the same" meme is usually pushed by right-wing concern trolls. The Democrats have moved to the right, going back to Clinton and the Democratic Leadership Committee, but they haven't become exactly like the Republicans on a number of issues.

I'm rather insulted that you called me right wing,trolling maybe but me being a Republican? Not in this farking lifetime or the next.

Wow, a genuine concerned Fark Independent!  How rare!


Dude I'm a registered Democrat? I farking voted for Obama twice,vote against the asshole Republicans in my state every chance I get to but don't tell me that both sides aren't eating out of the same farking hand. They are! All the pigs are being slopped in the same trough.
 
2013-08-31 07:27:14 PM  

thiefofdreams:

It highlights his text, most I know favorite in green. It is a ploy to make his posts stand out.

AWs do this a lot on other forums.
Any time I need advice on what it is that I'm thinking, I know just who to call on...
 
2013-08-31 08:41:51 PM  

LordJiro:

GeneralJim: So, you prefer intolerance put into action, as compared with intolerance claimed for others? So, you like to claim Republicans are racists, but ignore the fact that Democrats founded the KKK and the Jim Crow laws, right?

Southern Democrats/'Dixiecrats'.. Y'know, the group now known as "The Republican base", thanks to the Southern Strategy.

So, you're claiming that the Democrats are NOT the ones who have put welfare policies which destroy families in place?  Was it not the Democrats who have been arranging so that every fatherless child born to a welfare family, likely headed by an unmarried woman, generates more welfare income?  Under the tender social mercies of the Democrats, hasn't the "out-of-wedlock birth rate" gone from 24% in 1965, just after LBJ's "Great Society" program, to 73% today.  Or is it that you deny the link between fatherless families and poverty, despite the fact that this is the closest correlation of any factor of poverty?

You're also ignoring the fact that the largest racist institution in America is the welfare system, founded on the racist belief that those "poor blacks" can't take care of themselves, and need a bureaucracy headed by whites to provide for them.  Also, keeping blacks on welfare guarantees a continuous black Democratic voting block; since they are dependent upon the welfare state, they are unlikely to vote against it.

And, finally, note that "liberals" reserve the nastiest, white-hot fires of their condemnation for conservative blacks.  If a black should suggest that black families would be better off as actual families than as families headed by unmarried women; or that blacks would be better off with jobs than with welfare; or that Democrats are not serving the real interests of the black community; THAT'S when you see the full range of leftist rage.  While I do NOT agree with it, I can certainly understand the process.  After investing so much in making a dependent black community, you have a feeling of ownership.  And, you don't see the irony of that.

 
2013-08-31 08:47:44 PM  

HighOnCraic:

When asked about the strategy of using race as an issue to build GOP dominance in the once-Democratic South, Mehlman replied, "Republican candidates often have prospered by ignoring black voters and even by exploiting racial tensions," and, "by the '70s and into the '80s and '90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African-American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out. Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."

And, because Democrats deny their race-pandering crap that has crippled blacks in this country, and Republicans admit past mistakes...  vote Democrat?
 
2013-08-31 08:52:18 PM  

HoleChicken:

Interesting. When I was in college (2002-2006), I was involved in both the student government association and a political group. Political groups were not allowed to receive funding of any kind from the school. Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians...they had to raise their own funds. It was a private school, too.
A reasonable approach.  There is an inherent problem with a politically funded institution giving money to political groups...  Although I suppose as a university, it IS good training for the real world of corruption...
 
2013-08-31 09:56:36 PM  

GeneralJim: Republicans admit past mistakes


"I don't remember."

"I can't recall."
 
2013-08-31 09:58:56 PM  

GeneralJim: HighOnCraic: When asked about the strategy of using race as an issue to build GOP dominance in the once-Democratic South, Mehlman replied, "Republican candidates often have prospered by ignoring black voters and even by exploiting racial tensions," and, "by the '70s and into the '80s and '90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African-American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out. Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."
And, because Democrats deny their race-pandering crap that has crippled blacks in this country, and Republicans admit past mistakes...  vote Democrat?


Oddly enough, even though Mehlman tried to apologize, he was denounced by Rush Limbaugh for mentioning the Southern Strategy.  Lots of people skip over that part of history and look back to the 1800s.

Too many Republicans are in denial about the way they pandered to Negrophobic voters in the South is hurting their party.

They've definitely dialed it back a bit, much to the dismay of the far-right fringe.

"In fact, the National Review of the 1950s, 60s and even 70s spoke up for white people far more vigorously than Pat Buchanan would ever dare to today. The early National Review heaped criticism on the civil rights movement, Brown v. Board of Education, and people like Adam Clayton Powell and Martin Luther King, whom it considered race hustlers. Some of the greatest names in American conservatism - Russell Kirk, Willmore Kendall, James Kilpatrick, Richard Weaver, and a young Bill Buckley - wrote articles defending the white South and white South Africans in the days of segregation and apartheid. NR attacked the 1965 immigration bill that opened America up to Third-World immigration, and wrote frankly about racial differences in IQ. There were always hints of compromise, but passages from some back issues could have been lifted right out of American Renaissance. Not so today."

http://www.amren.com/news/2012/04/the-decline-of-national-review/

Race pandering helped Republicans achieve the biggest political realignment of the 20th Century by winning over white Southern voters who were angry about the Federal intervention that ended Jim Crow laws.  You seem to remember who started it; do you remember how it ended?
 
2013-09-01 12:19:08 AM  

yeegrek: Republicans are the only people who can punch shoot you in the face and demand an apology for your nose hurting their fist bullet/shot.


FTFY
 
2013-09-01 12:38:44 AM  

HighOnCraic:

You seem to remember who started it; do you remember how it ended?

Yep.  And it wasn't a single incident.  It started with Brown v. Board of Education in 1954, and, IIRC, the last of the Jim Crow laws went away with the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

It wasn't smooth... a couple years into it, the Democratic Arkansas governor called out the National Guard to prevent blacks from enrolling at Little Rock Central.  Republican President Eisenhower responded by sending in an airborne division, and federalizing the Arkansas National Guard.  Somewhat later, in 1963, Democratic Governor George Wallace of Alabama also tried to block the enrollment of two black students to U of A, but was dissuaded by the National Guard, again under Presidential direction of JFK, a Democrat.

 
2013-09-01 01:13:22 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: TuteTibiImperes: DrPainMD: TuteTibiImperes: Debeo Summa Credo: SenorBenedict: Corvus: What's funny, is my Republican friends are also the first one who cry about lack of government services (at least for them). I had one friend biatching that they should increase hours on trolly lines until 2 am. When I had explained to him that they are cutting funding for things like schools and he is against any tax increases and ask him how would they pay for it, he did the ol' "That's just a ploy, they have lots of money they are just cutting it from important things to get back at us".

I hear that shiat all the time from my conservative family members. Its farking mystifying to them that voting down tax increases and biatching about government spending can actually cut government spending.

On the other hand, i always observe liberals asking for more spending and whining about how terrible it is when spending is cut. But ask them to chip in a little bit by funding it with a VAT or sales tax increase and you are almost always met with indignation.

Apparently the programs aren't really that important if we aren't willing to pay for them!

Because VAT and Sales taxes are regressive.  I'd be fine with a larger income tax though, even if it meant I pay more myself.

Then overpay. The IRS will gladly take your money.

That's one of the most boneheaded arguments out there.  I'm willing to do my part, but the tax burden on the working and middle class is felt much more than it is by the extremely wealthy.  We need everyone to pay in to get things done, and I want the 1%s to feel it like everyone else.

Really? The tax code is plenty progressive as it is. Top 1% makes 16% of income but pays 36% of taxes or something like that.

Liberals love to increase spending but they NEVER want to pay for it. It demonstrates that the spending they want isnt really that important. If its not worth paying a VAT for, then I'm sorry but it undermines the argument that we need the spending in the first place.


The top 1% pay a greater % of tax revenue because they make so much more than everyone else.

Your inability to understand basic math suggests to me that you are not in the top 1%, so why are you defending them?
 
2013-09-01 01:22:29 AM  

GeneralJim: HighOnCraic: You seem to remember who started it; do you remember how it ended?
Yep.  And it wasn't a single incident.  It started with Brown v. Board of Education in 1954, and, IIRC, the last of the Jim Crow laws went away with the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
It wasn't smooth... a couple years into it, the Democratic Arkansas governor called out the National Guard to prevent blacks from enrolling at Little Rock Central.  Republican President Eisenhower responded by sending in an airborne division, and federalizing the Arkansas National Guard.  Somewhat later, in 1963, Democratic Governor George Wallace of Alabama also tried to block the enrollment of two black students to U of A, but was dissuaded by the National Guard, again under Presidential direction of JFK, a Democrat.


So you get my point that is was ended by Federal action?  That's great!

See, that's the problem Republicans have with the civil rights movement.  They started out on the right side; Lincoln used Federal power to end slavery, and as you said, Eisenhower used Federal troops in Arkansas.  But the conservatives who took over the party in late 50s/early 60s (see my earlier post about the National Review) were against the use of Federal power to end segregation, and they drafted Goldwater to lead the party.  You can read "The Conscience of a Conservative" to get his thoughts on the Brown decision--he was just as strongly against it as the Southern Democrats who wrote the "Southern Manifesto," and he used the same argument against it in his chapter on civil rights.

Now, which party is currently defined by their opposition to Federal power and their desire to return power to the states?

I'll give you a hint:

BUCHANAN: Well, I agree, I mean, I'll tell you why many African- Americans vote Democratic is because, you know, the federal government stopped, ended slavery, it ended segregation, it supported civil rights, supports affirmative action. But the Feds did that and they tend to believe in the federal government as a good, powerful positive institution, it's on our side. And Hannity and Buchanan and these guys are constantly knocking it, and that's why we are against them. So, that's an understandable position.

http://www.hannity.com/article/pat-buchanan-s-controversial-suicide- of -a-superpower/14486

It's funny that you mentioned George Wallace.  If you read Kevin Phillips' "The Emerging Republican Majority, he argues that Wallace's third-party run in '68 would eventually lead disaffected Southern white Democrats into the Republican Party, and that's exactly what happened.  Buchanan, back when he was working for Nixon, even wrote a strategy memo entitled "Dividing the Democrats," which was all about how to encourage the Wallace Democrats to join the GOP.

It's great that you think the Brown decision was a good thing.  The problem is, conservatives at the time thought it was a very bad thing:

The September 28, 1957 issue contained a piece by James Kilpatrick called "Right and Power in Arkansas," in which he endorsed Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus' call-up of the National Guard to prevent forced integration at Little Rock's Central High School. Defending a community's right to keep the peace, he wrote that "the State of Arkansas and Orval Faubus are wholly in the right; they have acted lawfully; they are entitled to those great presumptions of the law which underlie the whole of our judicial tradition." Predicting a "storm" of white resistance he wrote, "Conceding, for the sake of discussion, that the Negro pupil has these new rights, what of the white community?  Has it none?"
An unsigned editorial in the September 21, 1957, issue put the blame for the whole incident squarely on the Supreme Court:
"Under the disintegrating effects of  Brown v. Board of Education, the units of our society are forced into absolute dilemmas for which there is literally no solution within the traditional American structure."Violence and the threat of violence; base emotions; the cynical exploitation of members of both races by ruthless ideologues; the shameful spectacle of heavily armed troops patrolling the lawns and schoolyards of once tranquil towns and villages; the turgid dregs of hatred, envy, resentment, and sorrow - all these are part of the swelling harvest ofBrown v. Board of Education."
On the tenth anniversary of  Brown, NR offered this June 2, 1964, editorial:
"But whatever the exact net result in the restricted field of school desegregation, what a price we are paying for Brown! It would be ridiculous to hold the Supreme Court solely to blame for the ludicrously named 'civil rights movement' - that is, the Negro revolt ... But the Court carries its share of the blame. Its decrees, beginning with  Brown, have on the one hand encouraged the least responsible of the Negro leaders in the course of extra-legal and illegal struggle that we now witness around us..."Brown, as  National Review declared many years ago, was bad law and bad sociology. We are now tasting its bitter fruits. Race relations in the country are ten times worse than in 1954."
 The modern GOP was built on opposition to civil rights.
 
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