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2013-08-30 01:55:12 PM
Isn't there a new pipeline running through Turkey that would allow Europe to avoid Russian energy altogether?  Ah, yes, the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline that Russia really doesn't like.
 
2013-08-30 02:00:43 PM

Lord Jubjub: Isn't there a new pipeline running through Turkey that would allow Europe to avoid Russian energy altogether?  Ah, yes, the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline that Russia really doesn't like.


and you also have Leviathan coming into play Link

That's right Israel may become a gas exporter
 
2013-08-30 03:03:29 PM
Thread is useless without Putin pics.
 
2013-08-30 03:11:00 PM
I would like to use my Putin to help power the world.
 
2013-08-30 03:14:29 PM
In short, Russia is sliding down a cliff and needs to simultaneously begin to claw its way back up and change from dancing shoes into climbing boots.

They're looking at having to invest decades of time, energy and money into Siberian resources and simultaneously try to expand into a half dozen other fields that show promise, all with declining profits, suggested global lawsuits against Gasprom(their LNG company) and estimates that the US is going to become the largest oil producer in less than 10 years.

Russia is farked six ways from Sunday.
 
2013-08-30 03:15:11 PM
Crazy, or just trolling the entire world?
 
2013-08-30 03:16:33 PM
He likes to frack gymnast.
 
2013-08-30 03:21:10 PM
Unlike the USA, Russia acts in its own best interest. Apparently it's politically incorrect if we do the same.
 
2013-08-30 03:23:45 PM

Infernalist: Russia is farked six ways from Sunday.


I only skimmed the article, but it didn't seem to touch Russia's glaring social problems. Like, being the world's largest consumer of heroin, for one.
 
2013-08-30 03:29:48 PM
It's mostly a finance-oriented article. Their lack of long-term thinking and planning is criminal.
 
2013-08-30 03:32:14 PM
Forget cruise missiles, if we really wanted to punish Russia for supporting Syria there would be LNG tankers lining up at Louisiana and Freeport to take cheap methane to Western Europe.
 
2013-08-30 03:34:09 PM
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Fraking or Frelling ??
 
2013-08-30 03:40:42 PM

MountainClimber: Fraking or Frelling ??


Definitely the former:

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2013-08-30 03:41:29 PM
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Who the hell put bouillon cubes in the shower head? If it happens again, I will wait in my SUV. Blast me some speed metal, 5.1 surround sound, HEAVY on the bass... And Someone, will be getting, mowed, down...
 
2013-08-30 03:44:50 PM
See, if he was clever he would have done what the Saudis did when they were worried about cheap Canadian oil bringing down global prices.

They threw almost two billion dollars into Western environmental groups and several large papers on the condition that they obstruct, using every means available, any further development of the Canadian oil patch.
Six years later myriads of credulous fools now believe oil sands oil;
a) is mystically more corrosive than any other crude because added chemicals (it isn't).
b) is more dangerous to pipeline than shipping in boats across the ocean (it isn't).
c) is more environmentally damaging to extract, unlike the Venezuelan Orinoco delta and Nigeria's oilfields (two incredibly bio-diverse rainforests) which is where the US gets most of it's non-North American oil from (it isn't).
d) Is more carbon intensive to produce and transport (it isn't, supertankers produce more CO2 than even Coal-fired power generation).
e) almost all Canadian oil is tarsand oil (it isn't, oilsand oil doesn't even compose 4% of the oil shipped south).
Thanks to that comparatively cheap investment, Canadian oil is politically blocked. An overwhelming success and economic lifesaver for the Saudis.

But instead Putin descends into boosterism, chauvinism and xenophobia, which will only irritate and alienate his customers.
 
2013-08-30 03:51:34 PM
Yes, but not for that reason. You can fight city hall but you can't fight bankers.
 
2013-08-30 03:57:43 PM
"as of late 2012, oil and gas accounted for about 70 percent of exports"

What a non-oil Russian export might look like.
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2013-08-30 03:57:58 PM
Vodak
 
2013-08-30 04:00:35 PM

Stone Meadow: "as of late 2012, oil and gas accounted for about 70 percent of exports"

What a non-oil Russian export might look like.
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I may be remembering this wrong, but wasn't that the car that lost a drag race to a dog on Top Gear?
 
2013-08-30 04:07:47 PM

Polish Hussar: Stone Meadow: "as of late 2012, oil and gas accounted for about 70 percent of exports"

What a non-oil Russian export might look like.
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I may be remembering this wrong, but wasn't that the car that lost a drag race to a dog on Top Gear?


I missed that one, but wouldn't doubt it, as the two Ladas I've driven were pathetic excuses for automobiles.
 
2013-08-30 04:13:07 PM

Stone Meadow: Polish Hussar: Stone Meadow: "as of late 2012, oil and gas accounted for about 70 percent of exports"

What a non-oil Russian export might look like.
[brunosvanner.files.wordpress.com image 800x550]

I may be remembering this wrong, but wasn't that the car that lost a drag race to a dog on Top Gear?

I missed that one, but wouldn't doubt it, as the two Ladas I've driven were pathetic excuses for automobiles.


If you want to look for it, it was a segment in Episode 6 from Season/Series 12.  Sorry about the lack of links, I'm at work.
 
2013-08-30 04:22:43 PM
What would happen if instead if getting involved we just minded our own business
 
2013-08-30 04:24:17 PM

Infernalist: In short, Russia is sliding down a cliff and needs to simultaneously begin to claw its way back up and change from dancing shoes into climbing boots.

They're looking at having to invest decades of time, energy and money into Siberian resources and simultaneously try to expand into a half dozen other fields that show promise, all with declining profits, suggested global lawsuits against Gasprom(their LNG company) and estimates that the US is going to become the largest oil producer in less than 10 years.

Russia is farked six ways from Sunday.


But they still have plenty of nukes. Even very accurate ones.
 
2013-08-30 04:25:01 PM

Albertan: See, if he was clever he would have done what the Saudis did when they were worried about cheap Canadian oil bringing down global prices.

They threw almost two billion dollars into Western environmental groups and several large papers on the condition that they obstruct, using every means available, any further development of the Canadian oil patch.
Six years later myriads of credulous fools now believe oil sands oil;
a) is mystically more corrosive than any other crude because added chemicals (it isn't).
b) is more dangerous to pipeline than shipping in boats across the ocean (it isn't).
c) is more environmentally damaging to extract, unlike the Venezuelan Orinoco delta and Nigeria's oilfields (two incredibly bio-diverse rainforests) which is where the US gets most of it's non-North American oil from (it isn't).
d) Is more carbon intensive to produce and transport (it isn't, supertankers produce more CO2 than even Coal-fired power generation).
e) almost all Canadian oil is tarsand oil (it isn't, oilsand oil doesn't even compose 4% of the oil shipped south).
Thanks to that comparatively cheap investment, Canadian oil is politically blocked. An overwhelming success and economic lifesaver for the Saudis.

But instead Putin descends into boosterism, chauvinism and xenophobia, which will only irritate and alienate his customers.


Conspiracy theories are very much a reflection of their culture.  This one is distinctly Albertan.
 
2013-08-30 04:28:16 PM

Albertan: See, if he was clever he would have done what the Saudis did when they were worried about cheap Canadian oil bringing down global prices.

They threw almost two billion dollars into Western environmental groups and several large papers on the condition that they obstruct, using every means available, any further development of the Canadian oil patch.
Six years later myriads of credulous fools now believe oil sands oil;
a) is mystically more corrosive than any other crude because added chemicals (it isn't).
b) is more dangerous to pipeline than shipping in boats across the ocean (it isn't).
c) is more environmentally damaging to extract, unlike the Venezuelan Orinoco delta and Nigeria's oilfields (two incredibly bio-diverse rainforests) which is where the US gets most of it's non-North American oil from (it isn't).
d) Is more carbon intensive to produce and transport (it isn't, supertankers produce more CO2 than even Coal-fired power generation).
e) almost all Canadian oil is tarsand oil (it isn't, oilsand oil doesn't even compose 4% of the oil shipped south).
Thanks to that comparatively cheap investment, Canadian oil is politically blocked. An overwhelming success and economic lifesaver for the Saudis.

But instead Putin descends into boosterism, chauvinism and xenophobia, which will only irritate and alienate his customers.


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2013-08-30 04:34:51 PM

apacheco: What would happen if instead if getting involved we just minded our own business


Well THAT'S a moot point...
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-30 04:36:18 PM

Rapmaster2000: Albertan: See, if he was clever he would have done what the Saudis did when they were worried about cheap Canadian oil bringing down global prices.

They threw almost two billion dollars into Western environmental groups and several large papers on the condition that they obstruct, using every means available, any further development of the Canadian oil patch.
Six years later myriads of credulous fools now believe oil sands oil;
a) is mystically more corrosive than any other crude because added chemicals (it isn't).
b) is more dangerous to pipeline than shipping in boats across the ocean (it isn't).
c) is more environmentally damaging to extract, unlike the Venezuelan Orinoco delta and Nigeria's oilfields (two incredibly bio-diverse rainforests) which is where the US gets most of it's non-North American oil from (it isn't).
d) Is more carbon intensive to produce and transport (it isn't, supertankers produce more CO2 than even Coal-fired power generation).
e) almost all Canadian oil is tarsand oil (it isn't, oilsand oil doesn't even compose 4% of the oil shipped south).
Thanks to that comparatively cheap investment, Canadian oil is politically blocked. An overwhelming success and economic lifesaver for the Saudis.

But instead Putin descends into boosterism, chauvinism and xenophobia, which will only irritate and alienate his customers.

Conspiracy theories are very much a reflection of their culture.  This one is distinctly Albertan.


Sounds more like a reflection of the industry that hired the PR company that created it.
 
2013-08-30 04:40:40 PM

apacheco: What would happen if instead if getting involved we just minded our own business


We could be doomed to live half-empty lives, struggling to imagine anything beyond the battle for subsistence.
 
2013-08-30 04:45:18 PM

Lord Jubjub: Isn't there a new pipeline running through Turkey that would allow Europe to avoid Russian energy altogether?  Ah, yes, the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline that Russia really doesn't like.


Well, there's also the consideration of Russia's influence with Azerbaijan and Georgia.

And one of the issues surrounding Yuschenko's election in Ukraine lo these many years back was whether Ukraine would align with Europe, or Russia. Was it around that time that Russia limited, or threatened to limit gas supplies to Europe? I forget (but the HIGNFY opening sequence still features a stereotypical Russian shutting down a gas pipeline).
 
2013-08-30 04:53:25 PM
Funny, when did Putin start banging Miley Cyrus?
 
2013-08-30 05:04:03 PM
It's not often I say this about a Fark-linked article, but this submission was both interesting and informative.  Thanks, Subby.
 
2013-08-30 05:13:05 PM
whatever. the guy isn't a god, he'll die soon enough. don't fall for people who keep telling you to be afraid of someone and therefore put your freedoms and rights into their safekeeping.
 
2013-08-30 05:20:36 PM

Kit Fister: Funny, when did Putin start banging Miley Cyrus?


Same time as the rest of us...
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-30 05:42:45 PM

duenor: whatever. the guy isn't a god, he'll die soon enough. don't fall for people who keep telling you to be afraid of someone and therefore put your freedoms and rights into their safekeeping.


Especially if they are stupid enough to defect to this guy.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-30 05:45:08 PM
Really, wasn't pretty much the whole argument for our being the world police based on the fact that we had used up all our oil and had to import it?

What is the argument now that we don't have to worry about that?
 
2013-08-30 05:49:30 PM
It's pathetic what passes as propaganda these days. People don't even try anymore. This article has the intelligence and wit of a 13 year old autistic kid filling his pants with shiat when told he can't play his DS. And it's apparently targeting that specific type of person in its audience.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-30 05:50:25 PM

logistic: It's pathetic what passes as propaganda these days. People don't even try anymore. This article has the intelligence and wit of a 13 year old autistic kid filling his pants with shiat when told he can't play his DS. And it's apparently targeting that specific type of person in its audience.


Welcome to Fark Vlad!
 
2013-08-30 05:50:30 PM
If they commission a few more anti-fracking "documentaries" along with the Saudis, they might not have much to worry about.
 
2013-08-30 05:59:01 PM
 
2013-08-30 06:05:35 PM

Mock26: Russians are scary.


I have done this in Chicago. As long as you don't say too much, it kinda works.
 
2013-08-30 06:09:02 PM
I'm not sure what's more ridiculous; the spin on the Syria situation, or pretending a thousand year empire is as unstable as the US is.
 
2013-08-30 06:09:26 PM

vpb: Really, wasn't pretty much the whole argument for our being the world police based on the fact that we had used up all our oil and had to import it?

What is the argument now that we don't have to worry about that?


We never got the tungsten out of Vietnam, so that may be a good reason.
 
2013-08-30 06:13:50 PM

wingding: Unlike the USA, Russia acts in its own best interest. Apparently it's politically incorrect if we do the same.


Centering your economy around the export of a finite resource, discouraging small business and cultivating a mafia state are not in Russia's best interest.

Russia is doomed.
 
2013-08-30 06:26:44 PM

ShonenBat: wingding: Unlike the USA, Russia acts in its own best interest. Apparently it's politically incorrect if we do the same.

Centering your economy around the export of a finite resource, discouraging small business and cultivating a mafia state are not in Russia's best interest.

Russia is doomed.


They're on their, what, 3rd? 4th? Government system now?
 
2013-08-30 06:43:11 PM
Rapmaster2000:

But instead Putin descends into boosterism, chauvinism and xenophobia, which will only irritate and alienate his customers.

Conspiracy theories are very much a reflection of their culture.  This one is distinctly Albertan.


================

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the West (meaning Wall St and the CIA) have done nothing but steal from and attack Russia.

For starts, financial and business "experts" were sent in large numbers to "help" the Russians transform their state run economy into a modern, market oriented economy.   The results were a massive theft unequaled until Wall St/banks pulled off the housing bubble sting.  With the assistance of local  "oligarchs", Wall St managed to strip mine the old Soviet era industries of everything they were worth.  Energy, minerals, lumber, military and aerospace tech, you name it, that shiat was stolen in huge quantities.  The average Russian was driven to subsistence levels of existence, massive unemployment,  the kind of poverty that had not been seen since the end of WWII.  Life expectancy plunged, suicides, alcoholism, drug use, prostitution all sky rocketed.

After this, the CIA fanned the flames of Islamic extremism in the former Soviet Union's Muslim republics.  The Chechen Wars came straight out of Langley.   The Georgian-Ossetian conflict was planned at Langley.   The US promised not to expand NATO into the former Warsaw Pact countries and then did just that, deploying offensive weapon systems in the process.  The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were also largely motivated by a desire to put pressure on Russia's southern flank.

The most recent example of America's attack on Russian interests have been to destabilize Russia's last remaining Arab client state, Syria.  The US instigated a war in Syria using proxies, including Chechens. Now that it appears that America's dupes and mercenaries in Syria are facing defeat, the US is stepping up it's game by getting directly involved.

So the Russians are paranoid, are they?
 
2013-08-30 07:04:02 PM

Fissile: The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were also largely motivated by a desire to put pressure on Russia's southern flank.


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My god, you're right!  This man was secretly a geopolitical master strategist!
 
2013-08-30 07:11:28 PM

toraque: Fissile: The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were also largely motivated by a desire to put pressure on Russia's southern flank.

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My god, you're right!  This man was secretly a geopolitical master strategist!


If that's true, that makes farker Fissile a very dangerous person, with that kind of info in his head.  I wonder how he became privy to such information?
 
2013-08-30 07:44:24 PM

Kit Fister: Funny, when did Putin start banging Miley Cyrus?


+1
 
2013-08-30 08:15:24 PM

Fissile: The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were also largely motivated by a desire to put pressure on Russia's southern flank.


one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia"
 
2013-08-30 08:40:15 PM

Lord Jubjub: Isn't there a new pipeline running through Turkey that would allow Europe to avoid Russian energy altogether?  Ah, yes, the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline that Russia really doesn't like.


that new pipeline makes up just 2% of Europe's energy needs, so no
 
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