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(Think Progress)   Republican congressman pitches John Kerry's 2004 healthcare plan as an alternative to Obamacare. No, really   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 54
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2013-08-30 12:14:57 PM  
ah, lee terry. my congressman. an idiot's idiot. long considered one of the least powerful members of congress, despite his party being in the majority. he's been there for something like 14 years and has accomplished absolutely nothing.
 
2013-08-30 12:22:57 PM  
Is it better and pushed health insurance companies out of the way? Good. Let's do it.
 
2013-08-30 12:42:50 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Is it better and pushed health insurance companies out of the way? Good. Let's do it.


Wasn't Kerry humping a public option in his plan?

I think I remember something about that, but it's been a long time and maybe if I read the article and...  well...  YOU'RE NOT MY REAL MOM!!!
 
2013-08-30 12:45:21 PM  
even more humorous considering "obamacare" is basically the GOP's healthcare plan from the early 90s.
 
2013-08-30 01:03:10 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Is it better and pushed health insurance companies out of the way? Good. Let's do it.


And as soon as Obama said that, the Republicans would vote against it.  FFS, McConell filibustered his own debt ceiling bill just because the Dem's were willing to consider it.
 
2013-08-30 01:39:29 PM  
UPDATE:
Terry was asked about the comparison between his proposal and Kerry's 2004 plan during a town hall on Thursday. He quickly moved on to the next question.
 
2013-08-30 02:06:35 PM  
Just when I think the GOP can't get any more ridiculous, something like this happens.
 
2013-08-30 02:59:02 PM  
Heritage Foundation
Newt Gingrich ca. 1996
John Kerry
Mitt Romney
Obama

Everyone in this list has proposed something similar in the past and half these people hate the other half for copying or disowning the plan.

Welcome to America, where history exists only to serve us f*cking baseball stats from 1927.™
 
2013-08-30 03:00:12 PM  

FlashHarry: ah, lee terry. my congressman. an idiot's idiot. long considered one of the least powerful members of congress, despite his party being in the majority. he's been there for something like 14 years and has accomplished absolutely nothing.


Shiat, man, I didn't know you were from Omaha. I grew up there.
 
2013-08-30 03:04:16 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Nadie_AZ: Is it better and pushed health insurance companies out of the way? Good. Let's do it.

Wasn't Kerry humping a public option in his plan?

I think I remember something about that, but it's been a long time and maybe if I read the article and...  well...  YOU'RE NOT MY REAL MOM!!!


The proposal was to open up the Federal Employees Health Benefit Program to everyone. Essentially it's an exchange that has national plans along with plans for individual states. Employees get a contribution from the government that is 75% of the cost of the plan for cheaper ones; the contribution is capped based on a formula involving the rates for all plans in the exchange.
 
2013-08-30 03:04:38 PM  

FlashHarry: even more humorous considering "obamacare" is basically the GOP's healthcare plan from the early 90s.


I guess if you derp too hard, you go all the way around to the other side.
 
2013-08-30 03:10:28 PM  

Arkanaut: FlashHarry: even more humorous considering "obamacare" is basically the GOP's healthcare plan from the early 90s.

I guess if you derp too hard, you go all the way around to the other side.


Eh, it's not really that strange of a proposal. It's very similar to ObamaCare other than using a pre-existing federal exchange rather than requiring the states to build one of their own or the federal government to build them a new one. Funny thing, the community rating rules in the FEHBP are more strict than the rules in ObamaCare. Companies aren't allowed to vary premiums at all other than having different rates for a self plan and a family plan.
 
2013-08-30 03:12:51 PM  
I will say this, it's been three years since the ACA passed and ever since then the Republicans have been screaming to repeal and replace. This is the first I've heard of any republican offering up something for the replace portion of that. So congrats guys it only took you 3 years to come up with an idea.
 
2013-08-30 03:13:31 PM  

FlashHarry: ah, lee terry. my congressman. an idiot's idiot. long considered one of the least powerful members of congress, despite his party being in the majority. he's been there for something like 14 years and has accomplished absolutely nothing.


Keep an eye on him. One of Georgia's back-benchers could end up being a senator next year.
 
2013-08-30 03:15:18 PM  
Ah, 2004 when the GOP insisted that everything was fine and any implication that it wasn't was 'Bush Bashing'.
 
2013-08-30 03:18:18 PM  
Soon the Republicans will offer up true universal single payer health. We should all collectively SHUT UP about it and maybe slightly insult it. When when it passes the House, escapes filibuster in the Senate, we can switch our support.

//I've said too much.
 
2013-08-30 03:19:15 PM  
. First we need to repeal Obamacare. Then we promise to replace it.
 
2013-08-30 03:20:28 PM  

Ring of Fire: I will say this, it's been three years since the ACA passed and ever since then the Republicans have been screaming to repeal and replace. This is the first I've heard of any republican offering up something for the replace portion of that. So congrats guys it only took you 3 years to come up with an idea steal an idea from a democrat.


better
 
2013-08-30 03:24:35 PM  

Ring of Fire: I will say this, it's been three years since the ACA passed and ever since then the Republicans have been screaming to repeal and replace. This is the first I've heard of any republican offering up something for the replace portion of that. So congrats guys it only took you 3 years to come up with an idea.


To remember a plan not attached to a Blah or a Clinton.
 
2013-08-30 03:25:18 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Is it better and pushed health insurance companies out of the way? Good. Let's do it.


You know what, I don't care who proposes us going single payer/public option and cutting out the medical insurance companies, I'd support them so long as they were proposing a well-considered plan. Of course we all know this will never come from someone beholden to the GOP and unlikely to come from the Democrats.
 
2013-08-30 03:28:57 PM  
This was the same plan pitched by Obama in his 2008 DNC speech. I'm okay with this; seems to me that 1 exchange instead of 50 would be simpler, and not give GOP-run states the opportunity to fark it up.
 
2013-08-30 03:32:58 PM  

Ring of Fire: I will say this, it's been three years since the ACA passed and ever since then the Republicans have been screaming to repeal and replace. This is the first I've heard of any republican offering up something for the replace portion of that. So congrats guys it only took you 3 years to come up with an idea.


They have mumbled a few times about tax cuts and incentives and furthermore comma.
 
2013-08-30 03:35:50 PM  
FTFA: when asked for comment, Senator Sam is quoted as saying "Ifa Youra for it, I'm agin' it"

yosemitesamquotes.com
 
2013-08-30 03:37:22 PM  
At least he's doing what the Congress-critters are supposed to be doing, offering up ways to improve things rather than trying to dismantle things.
 
2013-08-30 03:38:15 PM  
shiat, now I'm confused which way the Overton Window is moving.
 
2013-08-30 03:38:28 PM  

Ring of Fire: I will say this, it's been three years since the ACA passed and ever since then the Republicans have been screaming to repeal and replace. This is the first I've heard of any republican offering up something for the replace portion of that. So congrats guys it only took you 3 years to come up with an idea.


Except how much you want to bet he would vote against it if it really was up for a vote and could pass? This is just BS to say he has a plan. I doubt he would be interested in implementing it. Like has been said it's 90% Obamacare.
 
2013-08-30 03:39:10 PM  
John Kerry should personally endorse the idea, guaranteeing that this guy never serves another term.
 
2013-08-30 03:43:10 PM  

incendi: shiat, now I'm confused which way the Overton Window is moving.


I believe at this point it's an Overton Klein Bottle.
 
2013-08-30 03:45:47 PM  
It's really too bad that we can't modify the ACA and fix the parts that everybody agrees needs to be fixed. Instead though, Republicans are going to offer up a completely different plan, that might even be reasonable, but we'd have to stop the ACA going through first, and then they'll never actually get that new plan off the ground.

They tried to kill the ACA, they tried to delay the ACA, they think they can somehow defund the ACA, and now they want to offer alternatives as bait, knowing full well that it'll never make it through the House.

How about this Republicans, fix the Voting Rights Act BS, and then we can talk about fixing the ACA.
 
2013-08-30 03:45:50 PM  
The last line of TFA is the best:

Terry was asked about the comparison between his proposal and Kerry's 2004 plan during a town hall on Thursday. He quickly moved on to the next question.
 
2013-08-30 03:51:04 PM  

FnkyTwn: Instead though, Republicans are going to offer up a completely different plan, that might even be reasonable...


What's the color of the sky in your world?
 
2013-08-30 03:55:36 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: John Kerry should personally endorse the idea, guaranteeing that this guy never serves another term. the bill doesn't pass, and the fact that it was ever proposed is dropped down the memory hole.


FTFY.
 
2013-08-30 03:57:55 PM  

FnkyTwn: Instead though, Republicans are going to offer up a completely different plan, that might even be reasonable, but we'd have to stop the ACA going through first, and then they'll never actually get that new plan off the ground.


They won't.  On both counts.
 
2013-08-30 03:58:03 PM  

MFAWG: Ah, 2004 when the GOP insisted that everything was fine and any implication that it wasn't was 'Bush Bashing'.


Who doesn't like a little bush bashing now and again?

// IYKWIM...AITYD
// gay men, that's who (unless...euphemism for handies?)
 
2013-08-30 04:08:11 PM  
Of course it's better, it was associated with a white dude.  Duh!

//the Republicans continue to have more clowns than Ringling Bros.
 
2013-08-30 04:08:40 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Is it better and pushed health insurance companies out of the way? Good. Let's do it.


1 federal exchange instead of 50 statewide exchanges.
so yes, it would be better. more competition, more shared risk, less corruption/corruption all in one place, easier to fix in theory, less insurance company interference

yup a much better solution
alas, there was zero possibility to get it passed
 
2013-08-30 04:10:26 PM  
Bite the bullet and go single payer for everyone.
 
2013-08-30 04:16:47 PM  

Befuddled: At least he's doing what the Congress-critters are supposed to be doing, offering up ways to improve things rather than trying to dismantle things.


no he isnt

he wants to first cancel ACA
he then pretends that his replacement would ever become law

all the while people without insurance would continue to be screwed.

STRANGELY ENOUGH, ACA kicks in real soon now.
WHY would you cancel it now, to spend 10 years replacing it?

ENACT the NEW THING NOW, Have it start on the SAME DATE as ACA and then repeal ACA.

/would you be ok without water for 12 years while they run new pipes? new wires and cables.
/farkem
 
2013-08-30 04:23:23 PM  
This is what a party devoid of new ideas looks like.

Kinda like Hollywood really.
 
2013-08-30 04:36:54 PM  

Heliovdrake: This is what a party devoid of new ideas looks like.

Kinda like Hollywood really.


From the people who brought you ROMNEYCARE and its divisive sequel OBAMACARE comes the exciting prequel to the fast-paced healthcare action series.

Lee Terry, a mild mannered Congressman from Nebraska, has a plan to save Real America from the clutches of evil overlord Obama. Little does he know, his plan runs afoul the plans of infamous war criminal and ketchup mafia baron, John Kerry. Fresh from the Syrian Chemical Wars, Kerry isn't about to take this insult in stride. Will hometown American values (and corn) triumph, or will elite liberal intellecualism win the day?

Coming in 2014.
TERRYCARE: SWIFT BOAT SWITHEROO
 
2013-08-30 04:43:58 PM  
Kerrycare just doesn't roll off the tongue...
 
2013-08-30 04:45:38 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Heliovdrake: This is what a party devoid of new ideas looks like.

Kinda like Hollywood really.

From the people who brought you ROMNEYCARE and its divisive sequel OBAMACARE comes the exciting prequel to the fast-paced healthcare action series.

Lee Terry, a mild mannered Congressman from Nebraska, has a plan to save Real America from the clutches of evil overlord Obama. Little does he know, his plan runs afoul the plans of infamous war criminal and ketchup mafia baron, John Kerry. Fresh from the Syrian Chemical Wars, Kerry isn't about to take this insult in stride. Will hometown American values (and corn) triumph, or will elite liberal intellecualism win the day?

Coming in 2014.
TERRYCARE: SWIFT BOAT SWITHEROO


That's some pretty good stuff.  I'll be keeping an eye on you.
 
2013-08-30 04:49:08 PM  

tzzhc4: Bite the bullet and go single payer for everyone.


You can call it "Single-Payer" or "Canadian Way" but only socialized medicine will ever save the day.
 
2013-08-30 04:59:01 PM  
There have been a lot of healthcare plans proposed and discussed in the past 20 years.  Why the democrats had to plagiarize one that was so god awful is beyond my comprehension.  that they are too proud to admit the plan is going to be a total disaster and failure is stunning.  and then, to blame it on the republicans they stole it from is even more laughable.
 
2013-08-30 05:06:24 PM  

SauronWasFramed: There have been a lot of healthcare plans proposed and discussed in the past 20 years.  Why the democrats had to plagiarize one that was so god awful is beyond my comprehension.  that they are too proud to admit the plan is going to be a total disaster and failure is stunning.  and then, to blame it on the republicans they stole it from is even more laughable.


Oh, OK.  I apologize for taking your comments seriously in the other thread.  I thought you were sincere.  Thanks for clearing that up.
 
2013-08-30 05:27:06 PM  

Tor_Eckman: That's some pretty good stuff. I'll be keeping an eye on you.


I'd almost prefer you didn't after I go back and look at the typos and using "plan" three words away from "plans".
 
2013-08-30 06:26:08 PM  
I like my health care plan better: repeal the Food and Drug Act, eliminate the DEA, eliminate all taxes on the medical industry and eliminate the income tax on everybody working in the industry.
 
2013-08-30 06:28:26 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Nadie_AZ: Is it better and pushed health insurance companies out of the way? Good. Let's do it.

You know what, I don't care who proposes us going single payer/public option and cutting out the medical insurance companies, I'd support them so long as they were proposing a well-considered plan. Of course we all know this will never come from someone beholden to the GOP and unlikely to come from the Democrats.


Congress hasn't come up with a well-considered plan in 150 years; what makes you think they're going to start now?
 
2013-08-30 06:43:15 PM  

SauronWasFramed: There have been a lot of healthcare plans proposed and discussed in the past 20 years.  Why the democrats had to plagiarize one that was so god awful is beyond my comprehension.  that they are too proud to admit the plan is going to be a total disaster and failure is stunning.  and then, to blame it on the republicans they stole it from is even more laughable.


0/10
No one could be that dumb unintentionally.
 
2013-08-30 07:32:13 PM  

Serious Black: FlashHarry: ah, lee terry. my congressman. an idiot's idiot. long considered one of the least powerful members of congress, despite his party being in the majority. he's been there for something like 14 years and has accomplished absolutely nothing.

Shiat, man, I didn't know you were from Omaha. I grew up there.


moved here in 2001. from france.

/i know, i know...
 
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