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(Opposing Views)   Americans believe they have the right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and internet access   (opposingviews.com) divider line 204
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2013-08-30 10:59:00 AM
Free high speed internet is guaranteed by the US Constitution and I can prove it

The internet:

Allows me to have a LIFE that I can't otherwise afford.

Allows me the LIBERTY to go places I can't afford to go to

Is an integral part of my happines/PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS

(see what I did there...)
 
2013-08-30 11:42:44 AM
I want those things AND clean water clean air and universal health care. And my guns.
 
2013-08-30 11:49:46 AM
Also the right to complete privacy for themselves and complete transparency for everyone else.
 
2013-08-30 12:04:24 PM
Public Wi-fi should be built all across the U.S. It would spur businesses and entrepreneurship while employing a lot of Americans during its construction. We used to be badass at building infrastructure. What happened?
 
2013-08-30 12:10:48 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: Public Wi-fi should be built all across the U.S. It would spur businesses and entrepreneurship while employing a lot of Americans during its construction. We used to be badass at building infrastructure. What happened?


We got greedy and selfish, that's what. We should treat internet access like the highway system...you pay a single toll and every gets to use it equally, no special treatment. But corporations don't like that idea. They want to treat the Internet like a cash cow and make users pay for even basic information.
 
2013-08-30 12:11:57 PM
FREE PR0N!
 
2013-08-30 12:13:23 PM
Where the hell are we promised life, liberty and pursuit of happiness in America?
 
2013-08-30 12:15:16 PM

Vodka Zombie: Where the hell are we promised life, liberty and pursuit of happiness in America?


The 21st amendment's more or less got my pursuit of happiness covered.
 
2013-08-30 12:18:07 PM

Weaver95: UrukHaiGuyz: Public Wi-fi should be built all across the U.S. It would spur businesses and entrepreneurship while employing a lot of Americans during its construction. We used to be badass at building infrastructure. What happened?

We got greedy and selfish, that's what. We should treat internet access like the highway system...you pay a single toll and every gets to use it equally, no special treatment. But corporations don't like that idea. They want to treat the Internet like a cash cow and make users pay for even basic information.


It's going to be interesting to see just how much the market will bear when it comes to controlling the internet.  Big businesses offering access are probably no match for users who are savvy enough to find work arounds to every roadblock they create.
 
2013-08-30 12:20:26 PM
And yet none of those are rights.
 
2013-08-30 12:20:40 PM

Nadie_AZ: I want those things AND clean water clean air and universal health care. And my guns.


Also no taxes.
 
2013-08-30 12:22:29 PM

Vodka Zombie: Where the hell are we promised life, liberty and pursuit of happiness in America?



The Declaration of Independence.

Do you want the King of England in your face? Or do you want Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness? IN YOUR FACE?!
 
2013-08-30 12:22:31 PM
Let's play semantics again!
 
2013-08-30 12:23:03 PM

Vodka Zombie: Weaver95: UrukHaiGuyz: Public Wi-fi should be built all across the U.S. It would spur businesses and entrepreneurship while employing a lot of Americans during its construction. We used to be badass at building infrastructure. What happened?

We got greedy and selfish, that's what. We should treat internet access like the highway system...you pay a single toll and every gets to use it equally, no special treatment. But corporations don't like that idea. They want to treat the Internet like a cash cow and make users pay for even basic information.

It's going to be interesting to see just how much the market will bear when it comes to controlling the internet.  Big businesses offering access are probably no match for users who are savvy enough to find work arounds to every roadblock they create.


The real issue is going to be the corporate response to things like 3d printing technology and anonymous file transfer technology. Corporations cant control it all, as much as they'd like too it just moves too fast for them to nail it down. Same for the fedgov.
 
2013-08-30 12:23:16 PM
Communications are critical infrastructure and should not be left in the hands of private companies to upgrade whenever they feel like it.
 
2013-08-30 12:25:20 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: Public Wi-fi should be built all across the U.S. It would spur businesses and entrepreneurship while employing a lot of Americans during its construction. We used to be badass at building infrastructure. What happened?



Lets be honest. No, it wouldn't. It would just allow us all to jerk off under bridges, in tunnels, at truck stops and everywhere else where the signal is traditionally weak or non-existent.
 
2013-08-30 12:26:30 PM

stuhayes2010: And yet none of those are rights.


Says who?
 
2013-08-30 12:26:50 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: UrukHaiGuyz: Public Wi-fi should be built all across the U.S. It would spur businesses and entrepreneurship while employing a lot of Americans during its construction. We used to be badass at building infrastructure. What happened?


Lets be honest. No, it wouldn't. It would just allow us all to jerk off under bridges, in tunnels, at truck stops and everywhere else where the signal is traditionally weak or non-existent.


It's almost like you believe the right to jerk off under bridges is not protected by the Constitution.
 
2013-08-30 12:27:06 PM
Can you prove you have rights?
 
2013-08-30 12:27:06 PM
i171.photobucket.com

Only stable investment.
 
2013-08-30 12:27:10 PM
Yeah, let's pretend that internet access isn't a basic component of speech in the modern era, and that people without it don't have substantially crippled ability to express themselves.

Or we can keep pretending all rights are both explicit and cost nothing.
 
2013-08-30 12:27:38 PM
All you need to know about the sh*tty d/l speeds we have in the US:

Av. d/l speed EU: 20.07 Mbps

Avg. d/l speed US; 7.4 Mbps

Yet we in the US get charged more per bit than in Europe.
 
2013-08-30 12:27:48 PM
I'm still waiting for my chicken...

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-08-30 12:28:22 PM

NutWrench: Communications are critical infrastructure and should not be left in the hands of private companies to upgrade whenever they feel like it.


There are radio frequencies that are dedicated to government use for critical communication.  So there is stuff out there to meet critical needs.  Sadly, your desire to post on Fark isn't deemed critical.
 
2013-08-30 12:28:58 PM
A "right" can be exercised on its own and doesn't require somebody else to fund it. Jobs, education, health care, and internet access all fail that test.
 
2013-08-30 12:29:59 PM

AliceBToklasLives: DROxINxTHExWIND: UrukHaiGuyz: Public Wi-fi should be built all across the U.S. It would spur businesses and entrepreneurship while employing a lot of Americans during its construction. We used to be badass at building infrastructure. What happened?


Lets be honest. No, it wouldn't. It would just allow us all to jerk off under bridges, in tunnels, at truck stops and everywhere else where the signal is traditionally weak or non-existent.

It's almost like you believe the right to jerk off under bridges is not protected by the Constitution.



I think those two pages were stuck together.
 
2013-08-30 12:30:33 PM
This is not how small government works.
 
2013-08-30 12:30:34 PM
In Estonia it is a right for everyone to have access to the internet, and high speed internet is available to all citizens. That would be tough to pull off in the U.S. but it should be a goal.
 
2013-08-30 12:30:37 PM
Internet access may not be a right per se, but freedom of speech and association are, and those rights are closely related.
 
2013-08-30 12:31:57 PM
Internet access is killing libraries. So much of the their budgets are going towards public computers so kids can play games and facebook and so homeless guys can jerk off, and so little is going towards expanding book collections.
 
2013-08-30 12:32:48 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: UrukHaiGuyz: Public Wi-fi should be built all across the U.S. It would spur businesses and entrepreneurship while employing a lot of Americans during its construction. We used to be badass at building infrastructure. What happened?


Lets be honest. No, it wouldn't. It would just allow us all to jerk off under bridges, in tunnels, at truck stops and everywhere else where the signal is traditionally weak or non-existent.


By "spur" I mean vigorously manhandle, and by "business" I mean my junk. I stand by what I said.
 
2013-08-30 12:34:16 PM

Majick Thise: Free high speed internet is guaranteed by the US Constitution and I can prove it

The internet:

Allows me to have a LIFE that I can't otherwise afford.

Allows me the LIBERTY to go places I can't afford to go to

Is an integral part of my happines/PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS

(see what I did there...)


I see what you did there.  What you did there was use the wrong document.
 
2013-08-30 12:34:19 PM
i1136.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-30 12:34:35 PM

jshine: Internet access may not be a right per se, but freedom of speech and association are, and those rights are closely related.


And to be completely fair, the enumerated Rights in the Bill of Rights are NOT the only guaranteed rights in this country.  Just the ones that the Founding Fathers thought were the most important and deserved special recognition.

In fact, we have the right to anything that isn't forbidden by law.
 
2013-08-30 12:34:46 PM

jshine: Internet access may not be a right per se, but freedom of speech and association are, and those rights are closely related.


There's a difference between the right to do something, and being provided the means to exercise that right.
 
2013-08-30 12:34:51 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: UrukHaiGuyz: Public Wi-fi should be built all across the U.S. It would spur businesses and entrepreneurship while employing a lot of Americans during its construction. We used to be badass at building infrastructure. What happened?


Lets be honest. No, it wouldn't. It would just allow us all to jerk off under bridges, in tunnels, at truck stops and everywhere else where the signal is traditionally weak or non-existent.


You say this like it's a bad thing
 
2013-08-30 12:35:03 PM
robohobo
Internet access is killing libraries. So much of the their budgets are going towards public computers so kids can play games and facebook and so homeless guys can jerk off, and so little is going towards expanding book collections.

I can't personally see elmo selling candy, but I could see SBC, AT&T or Google sponsoring internet access at libraries.
 
2013-08-30 12:35:25 PM
It is our right. Al Gore invented it for America.
 
2013-08-30 12:35:55 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: DROxINxTHExWIND: UrukHaiGuyz: Public Wi-fi should be built all across the U.S. It would spur businesses and entrepreneurship while employing a lot of Americans during its construction. We used to be badass at building infrastructure. What happened?


Lets be honest. No, it wouldn't. It would just allow us all to jerk off under bridges, in tunnels, at truck stops and everywhere else where the signal is traditionally weak or non-existent.

By "spur" I mean vigorously manhandle, and by "business" I mean my junk. I stand by what I said.


LOL
 
2013-08-30 12:36:46 PM

robohobo: Internet access is killing libraries. So much of the their budgets are going towards public computers so kids can play games and facebook and so homeless guys can jerk off, and so little is going towards expanding book collections.


I'm all for libraries -- and internet porn -- but to the extent that its practical, that really should be filtered at public libraries.  Not only is it outside (what should be) the mission of the library, but it doesn't exactly create a welcoming atmosphere for other patrons.
 
2013-08-30 12:37:04 PM

Enemabag Jones: robohobo
Internet access is killing libraries. So much of the their budgets are going towards public computers so kids can play games and facebook and so homeless guys can jerk off, and so little is going towards expanding book collections.
I can't personally see elmo selling candy, but I could see SBC, AT&T or Google sponsoring internet access at libraries.


Heck, they're doing it at some of the below ground subway stops in NYC.  Can't see why they couldn't do the same for libraries.

Better: How about Google putting down Fiber in libraries across the country?
 
2013-08-30 12:38:14 PM

jshine: I'm all for libraries -- and internet porn -- but to the extent that its practical, that really should be filtered at public libraries. Not only is it outside (what should be) the mission of the library, but it doesn't exactly create a welcoming atmosphere for other patrons.


Filter it and I'll just go back to the art section and masturbate to tasteful nudes like we did in the 90's
 
2013-08-30 12:38:23 PM

jshine: robohobo: Internet access is killing libraries. So much of the their budgets are going towards public computers so kids can play games and facebook and so homeless guys can jerk off, and so little is going towards expanding book collections.

I'm all for libraries -- and internet porn -- but to the extent that its practical, that really should be filtered at public libraries.  Not only is it outside (what should be) the mission of the library, but it doesn't exactly create a welcoming atmosphere for other patrons.


I would be okay if libraries were linked solely to the digitized content of the books within those libraries.

Of course, I'm also of the opinion that the only magazines that belong in a library are news magazines.  I have high standards for libraries and they don't allow for porn and/or People magazine.
 
2013-08-30 12:38:33 PM

jjorsett: A "right" can be exercised on its own and doesn't require somebody else to fund it. Jobs, education, health care, and internet access all fail that test.


There is also no right to run a business to provide those things. If you wish to own such a business then you have to follow rules set by the government and ultimately society
 
2013-08-30 12:38:52 PM
It's certainly not a right, but honestly I do think everyone should have access to low speed internet.
 
2013-08-30 12:40:20 PM

GoldSpider: jshine: Internet access may not be a right per se, but freedom of speech and association are, and those rights are closely related.

There's a difference between the right to do something, and being provided the means to exercise that right.


Of course, and I'm not advocating providing internet access free of charge to anybody who wants it as a legal right.  Analogously, even back in the day of the Founding Fathers, they didn't buy and distribute printing presses to anybody who asked.  Freedom of speech may be protected in principle, but that doesn't imply that the government has to provide the technical means & medium to conduct that speech.
 
2013-08-30 12:40:28 PM

Rwa2play: All you need to know about the sh*tty d/l speeds we have in the US:

Av. d/l speed EU: 20.07 Mbps

Avg. d/l speed US; 7.4 Mbps

Yet we in the US get charged more per bit than in Europe.


We in the US got leapfrogged by technology. We thought in the 1980s we hit near universal coverage for our telecom needs and tried to run down the price on it via regulated force competition. The US was wrong. So our telecom infrastructure has stagnated.
 
2013-08-30 12:40:43 PM
I say dial-up for all.
 
2013-08-30 12:41:05 PM
While not getting into the fun semantic trolling about 'rights', I would argue that as more and more government services, private services, and information in general move to a mostly online state that providing minimum internet access becomes as much of a necessity as providing for public transportation services.
 
2013-08-30 12:41:11 PM

Nadie_AZ: I want those things AND clean water clean air and universal health care. And my guns.


This.
 
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