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(Buzzfeed)   And you thought we couldn't destroy the institution of marriage more? Federal judge rules that VA benefits can't be denied to same-sex spouses. Dammit, who got rainbows in my VA hospital?   (buzzfeed.com) divider line 101
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2013-08-30 08:38:42 AM
See Conservative Republican house of bigotry crumble.  Crumble, Republican house of bigotry, crumble.
 
2013-08-30 08:52:50 AM

withay: See Conservative Republican house of bigotry crumble.  Crumble, Republican house of bigotry, crumble.


You'd think, but they'll just find new groups to hate.
 
2013-08-30 09:01:54 AM
VA benefits?  Kinda like sending the cow to a slaughterhouse, ain't it?  I reckon if its the only thing you have, it beats nothing.....but not by much.
 
2013-08-30 09:04:11 AM

Vodka Zombie: withay: See Conservative Republican house of bigotry crumble.  Crumble, Republican house of bigotry, crumble.

You'd think, but they'll just find new groups to hate.


They always do, don't they...

SauronWasFramed: VA benefits?  Kinda like sending the cow to a slaughterhouse, ain't it?  I reckon if its the only thing you have, it beats nothing.....but not by much.


I don't at all understand what that means...  For ME, it means that I can use my VA benefits to allow myself AND my husband to qualify for a home loan.
 
2013-08-30 09:06:06 AM

Vodka Zombie: withay: See Conservative Republican house of bigotry crumble.  Crumble, Republican house of bigotry, crumble.

You'd think, but they'll just find new groups to hate.


Hopefully, at some point, they'll start to run out.  I mean, sure - the LOPCATGOPATA might grow by individuals, but which groups are still out there they they don't already hate?
 
2013-08-30 09:07:24 AM

Karac: which groups are still out there they they don't already hate?


themselves? Jesus?
 
2013-08-30 09:09:26 AM

somedude210: Karac: which groups are still out there they they don't already hate?

themselves? Jesus?


Themselves and "right minded good christian individuals".
 
2013-08-30 09:11:47 AM
Left handed people need to be rounded up. Let's form a posse.
 
2013-08-30 09:11:58 AM

withay: Vodka Zombie: withay: See Conservative Republican house of bigotry crumble.  Crumble, Republican house of bigotry, crumble.

You'd think, but they'll just find new groups to hate.

They always do, don't they...

SauronWasFramed: VA benefits?  Kinda like sending the cow to a slaughterhouse, ain't it?  I reckon if its the only thing you have, it beats nothing.....but not by much.

I don't at all understand what that means...  For ME, it means that I can use my VA benefits to allow myself AND my husband to qualify for a home loan.


CLARIFICATION:  The healthcare at the VA near me is rather sketchy.  I would rather take my chances elsewhere than have to submit to a VA doctor.
 
2013-08-30 09:12:07 AM

SauronWasFramed: VA benefits? Kinda like sending the cow to a slaughterhouse, ain't it?


I can't speak to medical benefits but VA education benefits paid for my undergrad (Montgomery GI Bill) and my grad school (Post 9-11 GI Bill). The latter included a monthly stipend that was over $2K a month, straight into my pocket. In the end, 6 years of service earned me about $100K that paid for two degrees. And zero debt, student loan or otherwise.

Like a sore dick, you can't beat it.
 
2013-08-30 09:14:17 AM

SauronWasFramed: VA benefits?  Kinda like sending the cow to a slaughterhouse, ain't it?  I reckon if its the only thing you have, it beats nothing.....but not by much.


This ruling allows gay spouses to access a lot more than just health care at a VA hospital - it's why the article said 'veteran's benefits'.
A short list:
transferring unused GI Bill benefits to their spouse
other educational benefits
life insurance
home loans
survivor's pension
 
2013-08-30 09:14:21 AM

SauronWasFramed: withay: Vodka Zombie: withay: See Conservative Republican house of bigotry crumble.  Crumble, Republican house of bigotry, crumble.

You'd think, but they'll just find new groups to hate.

They always do, don't they...

SauronWasFramed: VA benefits?  Kinda like sending the cow to a slaughterhouse, ain't it?  I reckon if its the only thing you have, it beats nothing.....but not by much.

I don't at all understand what that means...  For ME, it means that I can use my VA benefits to allow myself AND my husband to qualify for a home loan.

CLARIFICATION:  The healthcare at the VA near me is rather sketchy.  I would rather take my chances elsewhere than have to submit to a VA doctor.


Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.
 
2013-08-30 09:15:36 AM

Karac: SauronWasFramed: VA benefits?  Kinda like sending the cow to a slaughterhouse, ain't it?  I reckon if its the only thing you have, it beats nothing.....but not by much.

This ruling allows gay spouses to access a lot more than just health care at a VA hospital - it's why the article said 'veteran's benefits'.
A short list:
transferring unused GI Bill benefits to their spouse
other educational benefits
life insurance
home loans
survivor's pension


Thanks!  It's funny that just a couple days ago my husband and I were gearing up to start looking for a house, and realized that he couldn't use my VA loan benefits and we thought we'd be putting it off for a few years.  I knew it would fall, I just didn't realize it would fall that fast!
 
2013-08-30 09:18:25 AM

withay: SauronWasFramed: withay: Vodka Zombie: withay: See Conservative Republican house of bigotry crumble.  Crumble, Republican house of bigotry, crumble.

You'd think, but they'll just find new groups to hate.

They always do, don't they...

SauronWasFramed: VA benefits?  Kinda like sending the cow to a slaughterhouse, ain't it?  I reckon if its the only thing you have, it beats nothing.....but not by much.

I don't at all understand what that means...  For ME, it means that I can use my VA benefits to allow myself AND my husband to qualify for a home loan.

CLARIFICATION:  The healthcare at the VA near me is rather sketchy.  I would rather take my chances elsewhere than have to submit to a VA doctor.

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.


Bless your heart.  Here's hoping you never have to rely on the VA for medical attention.
 
2013-08-30 09:20:36 AM

SauronWasFramed: withay: SauronWasFramed: withay: Vodka Zombie: withay: See Conservative Republican house of bigotry crumble.  Crumble, Republican house of bigotry, crumble.

You'd think, but they'll just find new groups to hate.

They always do, don't they...

SauronWasFramed: VA benefits?  Kinda like sending the cow to a slaughterhouse, ain't it?  I reckon if its the only thing you have, it beats nothing.....but not by much.

I don't at all understand what that means...  For ME, it means that I can use my VA benefits to allow myself AND my husband to qualify for a home loan.

CLARIFICATION:  The healthcare at the VA near me is rather sketchy.  I would rather take my chances elsewhere than have to submit to a VA doctor.

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.

Bless your heart.  Here's hoping you never have to rely on the VA for medical attention.


Awww sweetie, bless YOURS...  I already have (Florida, California, Massachusetts), a few times, and already had absolutely no problems other than a slightly longer wait than at a regular doctors office.
 
2013-08-30 09:28:08 AM

SauronWasFramed: CLARIFICATION: The healthcare at the VA near me is rather sketchy. I would rather take my chances elsewhere than have to submit to a VA doctor


The biggest problem with the VA system now is the backlog of people trying to get into the system.  Sending a bunch of guys off to war tends to do that, but no one ever planned for it.

Now once your in, at least around here, it's a different story.  Dorn VA hospital in Columbia SC is great.  Back in the mid-90's it's wasn't the nicest looking place in the world, but damn - it's the shiat now.  Here's what happened the last time I took gramps down there:

I drive up to the front door to let him out (he's got trouble walking).  Turns out this isn't that uncommon, since they now offer valet parking for people without grandsons who can take the day off.
We walk up to the receptionists desk.  He hands her his ID card, she scans it and says "Welcome Mr. Karac.  You're appointment is in Dr. so-and-so's office on the third floor.  Just go right around this corner to the elevators.  When you get off at 3, it'll be down the hall to the left.
We get in the office, he hands the card to the nurse there.  "Good morning Mr. Karac.  If you'll just give us a minute we'll get you in to see the doctor."  We sit down, and five minutes later she calls us back.
He talks with the doc a bit and the doc decides he needs to draw some blood.  He picks up a phone and a nurse walks in less than a minute later to pull blood.  He then says he's gonna give gramps a prescription for some whatever and that he can pick it up at the pharmacy in the basement.
We go down to the basement, he hands his card to the nurse there.  She scans it, walks over to a counter, picks up a bag of pills, scans the barcode on it to make sure it matches, and hands him his meds.

Valet parking, a receptionist who can give you directions to any office in the building, a five minute wait in the waiting room, no wait for blood drawing, and prescriptions that can be called into the pharmacy and filled in the time it takes an elevator to get from the third floor to the basement?  And all of it run off of VA ID card - no mention of health insurance companies, copays, deductibles, or money whatsoever?  Go find me a non-VA hospital in the United States that'll do all that.
 
2013-08-30 09:38:45 AM

withay: Karac: SauronWasFramed: VA benefits?  Kinda like sending the cow to a slaughterhouse, ain't it?  I reckon if its the only thing you have, it beats nothing.....but not by much.

This ruling allows gay spouses to access a lot more than just health care at a VA hospital - it's why the article said 'veteran's benefits'.
A short list:
transferring unused GI Bill benefits to their spouse
other educational benefits
life insurance
home loans
survivor's pension

Thanks!  It's funny that just a couple days ago my husband and I were gearing up to start looking for a house, and realized that he couldn't use my VA loan benefits and we thought we'd be putting it off for a few years.  I knew it would fall, I just didn't realize it would fall that fast!


One of the most annoying problems I ever had with my unit was the absolutely piss-poor way we let guys getting out of service know about what benefits were available to them.  Units should have people from the VA come by and give presentations the same day they do the yearly STD / sexual harassment / don't do drugs / suicide prevention classes.  No one was ever told about what benefits they could ever use.

If you've (or any other vet) has never done it, you really, really, really, should take a few days off work, head down to the local VA office with every copy of every order, discharge papers, LES, and any other documentation you still have, and get a comprehensive list of everything you're eligible for.
 
2013-08-30 09:40:11 AM

Karac: withay: Karac: SauronWasFramed: VA benefits?  Kinda like sending the cow to a slaughterhouse, ain't it?  I reckon if its the only thing you have, it beats nothing.....but not by much.

This ruling allows gay spouses to access a lot more than just health care at a VA hospital - it's why the article said 'veteran's benefits'.
A short list:
transferring unused GI Bill benefits to their spouse
other educational benefits
life insurance
home loans
survivor's pension

Thanks!  It's funny that just a couple days ago my husband and I were gearing up to start looking for a house, and realized that he couldn't use my VA loan benefits and we thought we'd be putting it off for a few years.  I knew it would fall, I just didn't realize it would fall that fast!

One of the most annoying problems I ever had with my unit was the absolutely piss-poor way we let guys getting out of service know about what benefits were available to them.  Units should have people from the VA come by and give presentations the same day they do the yearly STD / sexual harassment / don't do drugs / suicide prevention classes.  No one was ever told about what benefits they could ever use.

If you've (or any other vet) has never done it, you really, really, really, should take a few days off work, head down to the local VA office with every copy of every order, discharge papers, LES, and any other documentation you still have, and get a comprehensive list of everything you're eligible for.


I can honestly say, when I got out, I got a handshake and a wave bye bye, and that's it.  You're absolutely correct.
 
2013-08-30 11:05:49 AM

SauronWasFramed: VA benefits?  Kinda like sending the cow to a slaughterhouse, ain't it?  I reckon if its the only thing you have, it beats nothing.....but not by much.


My ex-boyfriend receives excellent medical care without ever seeing a bill.

When we were together, I worked at a hospital and he got faster and better care than I did. Since we've split up (amicably) he's bought a house and finished his BA, all on the VA's nickle.

The VA has a bad reputation because of past failures, but thanks to Jim Webb and Eric Shinseki, today's VA is a credit to the US.
 
2013-08-30 12:00:03 PM

Vodka Zombie: withay: See Conservative Republican house of bigotry crumble.  Crumble, Republican house of bigotry, crumble.

You'd think, but they'll just find new groups to hate.


We're looking at you, Sikhs who have sex with turtles!
 
2013-08-30 12:01:54 PM

SauronWasFramed: withay: Vodka Zombie: withay: See Conservative Republican house of bigotry crumble.  Crumble, Republican house of bigotry, crumble.

You'd think, but they'll just find new groups to hate.

They always do, don't they...

SauronWasFramed: VA benefits?  Kinda like sending the cow to a slaughterhouse, ain't it?  I reckon if its the only thing you have, it beats nothing.....but not by much.

I don't at all understand what that means...  For ME, it means that I can use my VA benefits to allow myself AND my husband to qualify for a home loan.

CLARIFICATION:  The healthcare at the VA near me is rather sketchy.  I would rather take my chances elsewhere than have to submit to a VA doctor.


So...? You had a bad experience with the VA, therefore VA benefits should not be available to same-sex couples?
 
2013-08-30 12:02:14 PM

withay: See Conservative Republican house of bigotry crumble.  Crumble, Republican house of bigotry, crumble.


From that chamber, and from that mansion, I fled aghast. The storm was still abroad in all its wrath as I found myself crossing the old causeway. Suddenly there shot along the path a wild light, and I turned to see whence a gleam so unusual could have issued ; for the vast house and its shadows were alone behind me. The radiance was that of the full, setting, and blood-red moon, which now shone vividly through that once barely-discernible fissure, of which I have before spoken as extending from the roof of the building, in a zigzag direction, to the base. While I gazed, this fissure rapidly widened - there came a fierce breath of the whirlwind - the entire orb of the satellite burst at once upon my sight - my brain reeled as I saw the mighty walls rushing asunder - there was a long tumultuous shouting sound like the voice of a thousand waters - and the deep and dank tarn at my feet closed sullenly and silently over the fragments of the "House of Bigotry."
 
2013-08-30 12:03:17 PM

coeyagi: Vodka Zombie: withay: See Conservative Republican house of bigotry crumble.  Crumble, Republican house of bigotry, crumble.

You'd think, but they'll just find new groups to hate.

We're looking at you, Sikhs who have sex with turtles!


Please, Republican's hating the people with brown skin who happen to be ill is nothing new.
 
2013-08-30 12:04:56 PM

withay: SauronWasFramed: 
Bless your heart.  Here's hoping you never have to rely on the VA for medical attention.

Awww sweetie, bless YOURS...


Oh, it's on!
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-08-30 12:07:05 PM

Tick-tick-tick-tick...

a.imageshack.us
carryabigsticker.com

/still need a pic of Uncle Sam making out with GI Joe, dammit
//rule 34 img.fark.com
 
2013-08-30 12:10:07 PM

what_now: SauronWasFramed: VA benefits?  Kinda like sending the cow to a slaughterhouse, ain't it?  I reckon if its the only thing you have, it beats nothing.....but not by much.

My ex-boyfriend receives excellent medical care without ever seeing a bill.

When we were together, I worked at a hospital and he got faster and better care than I did. Since we've split up (amicably) he's bought a house and finished his BA, all on the VA's nickle.

The VA has a bad reputation because of past failures, but thanks to Jim Webb and Eric Shinseki, today's VA is a credit to the US.


images.betterworldbooks.com

I have the 2nd edition of this book in my personal library. It's really impressive what the VA has done since the early 90s when tons of stories were coming out about their shiattastic care.
 
2013-08-30 12:10:10 PM
Won't someone think of the troops?

Not the gay troops though, they're icky.
 
2013-08-30 12:12:01 PM
This is an outrage. What am I supposed to tell my kids when they come to me and ask, "Daddy, why are those two men sharing the same insurance?"


/Won't somebody think of the children?!
 
2013-08-30 12:12:08 PM
This discriminates against unmarried people.
 
2013-08-30 12:12:08 PM
abb3w: [snip]

Any idea what happened with the 1950's cohort? The influence of Reagan and the Religious Right during their political awakening perhaps?
 
2013-08-30 12:13:35 PM
Great.  Now people are going to marry their pets just to have them insured.

/Herp-a-werp
//This perp's gotta derp
 
2013-08-30 12:15:37 PM
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2013-08-30 12:19:41 PM

withay: See Conservative Republican house of bigotry crumble.  Crumble, Republican house of bigotry, crumble.


GOP governors will fight this at the state level....and lose mind you, but they will fight just the same.
 
2013-08-30 12:21:02 PM

Vodka Zombie: withay: See Conservative Republican house of bigotry crumble.  Crumble, Republican house of bigotry, crumble.

You'd think, but they'll just find new groups to hate.


Anti-Muslim sentiment is still going strong.
 
2013-08-30 12:22:48 PM
 
2013-08-30 12:23:20 PM
Aw,shiat. A horse just proposed to me. Thanks a lot,Preznit von Bangbus, now I have to gay marry it. I'm not sure where to put the ring,though.
 
2013-08-30 12:23:59 PM

Serious Black: abb3w: [snip]

Any idea what happened with the 1950's cohort? The influence of Reagan and the Religious Right during their political awakening perhaps?


spandrella.files.wordpress.com

Homos are security risks. Because communism.
 
2013-08-30 12:24:34 PM

Doctor Funkenstein: Aw,shiat. A horse just proposed to me. Thanks a lot,Preznit von Bangbus, now I have to gay marry it. I'm not sure where to put the ring,though.


As Duke and Pauly once told Rocky: "Go for the one in the middle."

//it's a cock ring, IT'S A COCK RING!
 
2013-08-30 12:26:18 PM

Vodka Zombie: withay: See Conservative Republican house of bigotry crumble.  Crumble, Republican house of bigotry, crumble.

You'd think, but they'll just find new groups to hate.


They already have.  Transgenders.
 
2013-08-30 12:26:33 PM

Wooly Bully: Even the IRS is doing the right thing!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/deborahljacobs/2013/08/29/same-sex-marri ed -couples-will-get-federal-tax-breaks-no-matter-where-they-live/


The right thing is giving tax breaks based on dependent children, not on marital status. We do not need to subsidize people for who they have sex with or live with, straight, gay, or otherwise.
 
2013-08-30 12:27:09 PM

Arkanaut: Won't someone think of the troops?

Not the gay troops though, they're icky.


Gay male troops are icky.  Girl on girl soldiers are totally hot.
 
2013-08-30 12:27:26 PM

what_now: SauronWasFramed: VA benefits?  Kinda like sending the cow to a slaughterhouse, ain't it?  I reckon if its the only thing you have, it beats nothing.....but not by much.

My ex-boyfriend receives excellent medical care without ever seeing a bill.

When we were together, I worked at a hospital and he got faster and better care than I did. Since we've split up (amicably) he's bought a house and finished his BA, all on the VA's nickle.

The VA has a bad reputation because of past failures, but thanks to Jim Webb and Eric Shinseki, today's VA is a credit to the US.


The VA also has one of the best, if not THE best, electronic medical record systems out there. This country desperately needs a universal EMR for everyone.
 
2013-08-30 12:27:32 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Wooly Bully: Even the IRS is doing the right thing!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/deborahljacobs/2013/08/29/same-sex-marri ed -couples-will-get-federal-tax-breaks-no-matter-where-they-live/

The right thing is giving tax breaks based on dependent children, not on marital status. We do not need to subsidize people for who they have sex with or live with, straight, gay, or otherwise.


So the second best right thing then
 
2013-08-30 12:27:56 PM
SauronWasFramed:

CLARIFICATION:  The healthcare at the VA near me is rather sketchy.  I would rather take my chances elsewhere than have to submit to a VA doctor.

traitor.
i44.tinypic.com
 
2013-08-30 12:28:33 PM

somedude210: Karac: which groups are still out there they they don't already hate?

themselves? Jesus?


i.imgur.com

Republicans 2020, fighting the war against rich fetuses.
 
2013-08-30 12:28:39 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Wooly Bully: Even the IRS is doing the right thing!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/deborahljacobs/2013/08/29/same-sex-marri ed -couples-will-get-federal-tax-breaks-no-matter-where-they-live/

The right thing is giving tax breaks based on dependent children, not on marital status. We do not need to subsidize people for who they have sex with or live with, straight, gay, or otherwise.


I'm sure you already know this, but it was the right thing because gay people weren't being treated the same as straight people. The issue you're bringing up is debatable, but it's a different one.
 
2013-08-30 12:29:45 PM

fiddlehead: what_now: SauronWasFramed: VA benefits?  Kinda like sending the cow to a slaughterhouse, ain't it?  I reckon if its the only thing you have, it beats nothing.....but not by much.

My ex-boyfriend receives excellent medical care without ever seeing a bill.

When we were together, I worked at a hospital and he got faster and better care than I did. Since we've split up (amicably) he's bought a house and finished his BA, all on the VA's nickle.

The VA has a bad reputation because of past failures, but thanks to Jim Webb and Eric Shinseki, today's VA is a credit to the US.

The VA also has one of the best, if not THE best, electronic medical record systems out there. This country desperately needs a universal EMR for everyone.


There's an entire chapter in the book I posted earlier in the thread about VistA. To make a long story short, it's a great system that has convinced entire countries (Finland being the biggest example) to use it as their universal EMR. The only twist I would put on it is using a smart card to access it like France and Taiwan have done.
 
2013-08-30 12:30:06 PM

nmrsnr: withay: See Conservative Republican house of bigotry crumble.  Crumble, Republican house of bigotry, crumble.

From that chamber, and from that mansion, I fled aghast. The storm was still abroad in all its wrath as I found myself crossing the old causeway. Suddenly there shot along the path a wild light, and I turned to see whence a gleam so unusual could have issued ; for the vast house and its shadows were alone behind me. The radiance was that of the full, setting, and blood-red moon, which now shone vividly through that once barely-discernible fissure, of which I have before spoken as extending from the roof of the building, in a zigzag direction, to the base. While I gazed, this fissure rapidly widened - there came a fierce breath of the whirlwind - the entire orb of the satellite burst at once upon my sight - my brain reeled as I saw the mighty walls rushing asunder - there was a long tumultuous shouting sound like the voice of a thousand waters - and the deep and dank tarn at my feet closed sullenly and silently over the fragments of the "House of Bigotry."


That...  That was beautiful..

Theaetetus: withay: SauronWasFramed: 
Bless your heart.  Here's hoping you never have to rely on the VA for medical attention.

Awww sweetie, bless YOURS...

Oh, it's on!
[24.media.tumblr.com image 480x270]


Slap someone?  Dude, I'm an artist - my hands are my life!  Now, kick 'em in the nads...  That's different.

Weaver95: withay: See Conservative Republican house of bigotry crumble.  Crumble, Republican house of bigotry, crumble.

GOP governors will fight this at the state level....and lose mind you, but they will fight just the same.


In a weird way, I'm glad.  I almost enjoy it when the bigots fight for bigotry and go down in flames.  I DON'T like the waste of taxpayer money, or the unfairness while time ticks, but...
 
2013-08-30 12:30:33 PM
This does allow the VA to continue its "if they don't ask about benefits, don't tell them about benefits" policy.
 
2013-08-30 12:31:37 PM

Vodka Zombie: withay: See Conservative Republican house of bigotry crumble.  Crumble, Republican house of bigotry, crumble.

You'd think, but they'll just find new groups to hate.


Well, they kind of are. The ultra conservatives seem to hate the Republicans that aren't conservative enough.

Someone needs to photoshop the "stop liking things I don't like" and change it to "stop not hating the people I hate!" or somesuch.
 
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