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(Kare11)   What climate change? Minnesota always had gators   (kare11.com) divider line 39
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2013-08-30 11:43:26 AM
No need to shoot them. Just let them freeze to death in the winter with the gorillas.
 
2013-08-30 01:35:46 PM
I used to know this guy named Gator.  He was from Louisiana though.
 
2013-08-30 01:35:51 PM
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2013-08-30 01:36:06 PM

Walker: No need to shoot them. Just let them freeze to death in the winter with the gorillas.


Or knock 'em in the head with a stump
 
2013-08-30 01:37:05 PM
Hopefully the gators don't breed with the Asian Carp and create some sort of cold-water gator that can leap out of the water to get you.
 
2013-08-30 01:38:49 PM
Yeah, I'm leaning towards "Released pets, or escaped meth lab/marijuana farm 'guard animal' or something'.
 
2013-08-30 01:41:37 PM

LordJiro: Yeah, I'm leaning towards "Released pets, or escaped meth lab/marijuana farm 'guard animal' or something'.


The article says they're the guy's pet alligators.  Though why someone would steal them and release them in Goose Lake remains a mystery.
 
2013-08-30 01:43:58 PM

GameSprocket: Hopefully the gators breed with the Asian Carp and create some sort of cold-water gator that can leap out of the water to get you.


FIFM
 
2013-08-30 01:44:29 PM
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2013-08-30 01:45:23 PM

GameSprocket: Hopefully the gators don't breed with the Asian Carp and create some sort of cold-water gator that can leap out of the water to get you.


Don't give Syfy any ideas
 
2013-08-30 01:45:26 PM

lemurs: LordJiro: Yeah, I'm leaning towards "Released pets, or escaped meth lab/marijuana farm 'guard animal' or something'.

The article says they're the guy's pet alligators.  Though why someone would steal them and release them in Goose Lake remains a mystery.


And I assume subby thinks the guy is a climatologist, hence blaming it on global warming for some reason.
 
2013-08-30 01:46:08 PM

DarwiOdrade: [i1326.photobucket.com image 480x720]


If escaped pets are your best proof and reason for snark, then that says something right there.
 
2013-08-30 01:50:44 PM
 
2013-08-30 01:53:08 PM
jonova.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-08-30 01:54:37 PM

T.rex: DarwiOdrade: [i1326.photobucket.com image 480x720]

If escaped pets are your best proof and reason for snark, then that says something right there.


Nah - there's lots of sciency stuff, too. Besides, this is Fark - do we ever need a reason for snark?
 
2013-08-30 01:55:04 PM
It's still real to hippies dammit!
 
2013-08-30 01:57:34 PM

You Idiots: [jonova.s3.amazonaws.com image 850x463]


Are you trying to say that the postal service contributed to climate change because they had a significant increase in miles driven via expanded service, and thus CO2?
 
2013-08-30 02:03:13 PM
Don't feed the trolls, kids...
 
2013-08-30 02:03:39 PM
Bonnie's just waitin' till the heat dies down.
 
2013-08-30 02:18:31 PM

DarwiOdrade: T.rex: DarwiOdrade: [i1326.photobucket.com image 480x720]

If escaped pets are your best proof and reason for snark, then that says something right there.

Nah - there's lots of sciency stuff, too. Besides, this is Fark - do we ever need a reason for snark?


Nope! Snark is its own reward.
 
2013-08-30 02:34:29 PM
Minnesota has had gator for years.  On a stick, at the state fair.  It's that time of year right now.
 
2013-08-30 02:38:58 PM

lemurs: Though why someone would steal them and release them in Goose Lake remains a mystery.


I suspect such behavior has to do with global climate change
 
2013-08-30 02:45:12 PM

GameSprocket: Hopefully the gators don't breed with the Asian Carp and create some sort of cold-water gator that can leap out of the water to get you.


Don't give SyFy any ideas.
 
2013-08-30 02:46:10 PM

BigLuca: GameSprocket: Hopefully the gators don't breed with the Asian Carp and create some sort of cold-water gator that can leap out of the water to get you.

Don't give Syfy any ideas


Doh!
 
2013-08-30 02:52:59 PM
He's just there to ski.


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-08-30 02:57:33 PM

You Idiots: [jonova.s3.amazonaws.com image 850x463]



So postage rates change continuously: 3 cents, 3.1, 3.2...

I did not know that.
 
2013-08-30 03:13:55 PM
lemurs:The article says they're the guy's pet alligators.  Though why someone would steal them and release them in Goose Lake remains a mystery.

Maybe due to the geese.
 
2013-08-30 03:41:26 PM

udhq: BigLuca: GameSprocket: Hopefully the gators don't breed with the Asian Carp and create some sort of cold-water gator that can leap out of the water to get you.

Don't give Syfy any ideas

Doh!


LOL
Also, they do indeed serve gator at the MN State Fair. I'll be enjoying some on Sunday.  It's like a cross between scallop nigiri and properly steamed/baked chicken.  om nom nom.
 
2013-08-30 04:11:42 PM
It was just a three-footer. You needn't start to worry until they survive the Winter.

But seriously, Minnesota will probably still be too cold for alligators or Burmese pythons well into the next century, but I would not be the least bit surprised if they make it as far North as Washington, DC.

sflwww.er.usgs.gov

Look out Foggy Bottom! Wally Gator is coming for you! And he talks with a lisp!

Another map that I found is much scarier. It's the possible range for the Burmese python:

ww1.hdnux.com

This is, as the French say, autrement sérieux. Note that there is even a small range on the border between Washington State and Oregon where Burmese pythons could find a refuge.

Come back in 500-1000 years for an update. Even if the rate of temperature rise were to slow down, you might see alligators sunning themselves on the shores of Canadian lakes and rivers. I assume people will always be stupid enough to buy pets and then release them into the wild. If that changes, they'd take a lot longer to get back to the shores of the Arctic Ocean, but there are fossil crocodiles up there, so it isn't out of all possibility.

As a Canadian, I'm not terribly worried about gator attacks. I live on a hill for one thing. I did see a great big turtle once on the way home from work. It looked like a living fossil but it wasn't nearly as scary as an snapping turtle. You don't want to see THEIR range map unless you are living in the Rockies, the South West, or the West Coast North of SoCal. They reach all the way to New Brunswick and Nova Scotia, Canada.
 
2013-08-30 04:26:26 PM
If only the gator fans would leave FL also
 
2013-08-30 04:50:26 PM
Damn it MInnesota Lake Placid was a movie not a guide for ho to spice up lake life.
 
2013-08-30 05:06:50 PM
Thank goodness "global warming" is nothing more than a massive, worldwide, liberal conspiracy by tens of thousands of scientists to lie for grant money. Fortunately for us, we have the honest and forthright oil and auto industries and their paid consultants to speak truth to power.
 
2013-08-30 06:20:19 PM

brantgoose: Even if the rate of temperature rise were to slow down


Slow down to what? The slope is already negative.

www.woodfortrees.org
 
2013-08-30 07:29:34 PM

SevenizGud: brantgoose: Even if the rate of temperature rise were to slow down

Slow down to what? The slope is already negative.

[www.woodfortrees.org image 640x480]


There he is - with the same turd he drops in every thread.
 
2013-08-30 09:16:06 PM
Not everything out of the ordinary needs to be shot. Come on folks, have a little imagination. Just a little for farks sake.
 
2013-08-30 10:16:16 PM

SevenizGud: brantgoose: Even if the rate of temperature rise were to slow down

Slow down to what? The slope is already negative.

[www.woodfortrees.org image 640x480]



We'll just repost what Jon Snow said last thread:

Jon Snow:
This shiat, again?

A brief overview of what's wrong with this idiocy, for anyone who may be wondering:

Global Warming is Much More Than Surface Temperature Warming

"Global Warming" is shorthand for one symptom of the human impact on the planet through our increase in greenhouse gases (principally CO2). The basic gist of the issue is fundamental physics- when you increase the amount of energy coming in or decrease the amount of energy going out of a planet's energy budget, you create an imbalance, which necessitates warming to a higher equilibrium temperature in the long run. Our emissions of greenhouse gases are decreasing the amount of energy leaving the system, i.e. we have created an energy imbalance.

Most of this increased energy is not manifested as surface temperature warming. Rather, the overwhelming majority is accumulating in the ocean.

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We tend to talk about "global warming" in terms of surface warming, because we live at the planet's surface and are necessarily interested in it, but the ocean is where most of the increased-greenhouse action is.

Global Warming Does Not Mean Every Year Should Be Hotter Than The One Before

The surface temperature is indeed expected to increase over the long run, but not monotonically (i.e. every year being warmer than the one before). This is because we have large, natural, pseudo-periodic exchanges of heat between the ocean and atmosphere irrespective of human influence, such as the El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO). When ENSO is positive, more heat than normal is released from the ocean to the atmosphere, increasing temperature in the short term. When ENSO is negative, more heat is sequestered in the ocean, decreasing temperature.

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There are other influences on the surface temperature besides ENSO and greenhouse warming. Solar variability and aerosols (produced by volcanism as well as human activities) also play a large role in how warm or cool it is on year-to-year timescales. When you account for ENSO, solar variability, and aerosols, the underlying warming trend is much more readily apparent:

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Apparent "pauses" in the surface temperature are a natural consequence of short-term variability (due to ENSO, solar, aerosols, etc.) super-imposed upon an upward trend (due to greenhouse warming). These "pauses" are seen not just in the surface instrumental record:

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But also in individual runs from climate models:

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These "pauses" in climate models are associated with periods of increased heat sequestration in the deeper ocean, and correspond to ENSO negative conditions. Over the past decade, we have seen predominantly ENSO negative conditions, and indeed we see an increase in deeper ocean warming at the expense of surface warming.

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The fundamental lie of the "16 years no warming" graph is that it is nothing more than a "cherry-pick" of a pause in an otherwise upward trend. This can be seen by simply changing the length of the period being examined. If you look at 15 years instead of 16 years, the trend is positive:

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If you look at 17 years instead of 16 years, the trend is positive.

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The "pause" in warming is simply an artifact of the end points of the data, not a real cessation of warming.

An Imperfect Surface Instrumental Record

In addition to these problems, the data from the "16 years no warming" graph are from HadCRUT3. While this instrumental record was an admirable attempt to quantify the surface temperature of the planet, it was not perfect. Specifically, it suffered from very limited coverage of the higher latitudes (i.e. the poles), which are warming faster than the rest of the planet (a process called "arctic amplification"). Failing to capture this high latitude warming means the HadCRUT3 record is biased cool- something that has been demonstrated by reanalysis experiments:

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The group that produces the HadCRUT3 data set was well aware of this problem and worked to overcome it. They have an updated dataset that partially addresses the problem, HadCRUT4. When you look at the same period of time (the last 192 months) in HadCRUT4, the trend is positive.

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The "pause" in warming is not only a cherry-pick of end points to take advantage of variability, it is also not even robust to the choice of data set.

Cherrypicking Apparent "Pauses" in the Surface Instrumental Record Is a Bullshiat Distraction from Continued Global Warming

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2013-08-30 10:27:11 PM
I love climate change. Now with less gators here. Awesome.

Thanks God.
 
2013-08-31 03:22:32 PM

SevenizGud: Slow down to what? The slope is already negative.


i.imgur.com

/oblig
 
2013-08-31 08:49:59 PM

common sense is an oxymoron: You Idiots: [jonova.s3.amazonaws.com image 850x463]


So postage rates change continuously: 3 cents, 3.1, 3.2...

I did not know that.


just factor in the forever stamps and the continuities will be renormalized.

/or something
//somehow
 
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