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2013-08-30 08:55:21 AM
Nobody wants us to bomb Syria...nobody will help us bomb Syria....so what are we gonna do? Bomb Syria. Because reasons!

I really hope we don't do this. Enough with the bombings already.
 
2013-08-30 09:01:29 AM

Weaver95: I really hope we don't do this. Enough with the bombings already.


But something something red line!
 
2013-08-30 09:05:34 AM

Weaver95: Nobody wants us to bomb Syria...nobody will help us bomb Syria....so what are we gonna do? Bomb Syria. Because reasons!

I really hope we don't do this. Enough with the bombings already.


I think those that aren't absolutely against bombing Syrian sites are going more "what the hell? this is *actually* a violation of international law and if we don't do something this will set up a terrible precedent for when other countries decide to use chemical weapons" I mean, hell, Obama was completely against doing anything in Syria until the chemical weapons attacks. Even the damn Congress was badgering him to get involved in Syria and he said no. Now we have a clear violation of international law and common humanity and everyone is suddenly silent?

You think we're damned if we get involved, what happens 10 years from now when we get attacked by pissed off Syrian survivors who begged for some help to stop the usage of chemical attacks and we did nothing?

Do they have to use nukes before we care? Where do we draw the line at sheer destruction of a people before we decide to care? The US is the one in the position to prevent this because we're the only ones left. We wanted to be the last remaining superpower in the world so it's about time we start taking up the responsibility of the title
 
2013-08-30 09:05:37 AM
Like a spoiled rich kid, he will do whatever he wants because shut up you are stupid
 
2013-08-30 09:10:13 AM
All he has said is we'll still probably do something. Everyone seems to be reading in a lot of specifics that nobody in power seems to be actually saying - though maybe I'm wrong and the media is just so bad at their jobs that it can't be easily sussed out.

What it seems like, though, is a lot of people making assumptions about what he'll do that do not align with any actual words he's said.
 
2013-08-30 09:11:48 AM

LasersHurt: What it seems like, though, is a lot of people making assumptions about what he'll do that do not align with any actual words he's said.


you mean we're not putting boots on the ground, doing an all out invasion and will be greeted as liberators? How dare you say this is not another Iraq!

/seriously guys, why the fark do you compare this to Iraq?
//if anything, compare to Libya
 
2013-08-30 09:19:33 AM

somedude210: Do they have to use nukes before we care? Where do we draw the line at sheer destruction of a people before we decide to care? The US is the one in the position to prevent this because we're the only ones left. We wanted to be the last remaining superpower in the world so it's about time we start taking up the responsibility of the title


We've let quite a few minor genocides slide since the USSR collapsed. We've got no legacy to uphold in that regard. If we're concerned about sheer destruction of peoples, there should be higher priorities than the escalation of a civil war where we're at least partially fueling the escalation by supporting rebelling factions.
 
2013-08-30 09:24:58 AM
So now Obama is being too much of a leader?
 
2013-08-30 09:25:59 AM

Weaver95: Nobody wants us to bomb Syria...nobody will help us bomb Syria....so what are we gonna do? Bomb Syria. Because reasons!

I really hope we don't do this. Enough with the bombings already.


This is really the big problem: we've spent so much time doing stuff we shouldn't have (such as invading Iraq) that when one of the few instances I think we should feel COMPELLED to act finally comes up, everyone is too sick and tired of it to do it.
 
2013-08-30 09:26:30 AM
Although administration officials cautioned that Mr. Obama had not made a final decision

... We're still going to pretend that he has and that it's the one we don't like.
 
2013-08-30 09:26:52 AM

incendi: We've let quite a few minor genocides slide since the USSR collapsed. We've got no legacy to uphold in that regard. If we're concerned about sheer destruction of peoples, there should be higher priorities than the escalation of a civil war where we're at least partially fueling the escalation by supporting rebelling factions.


okay, so we'll go with the "we've never done this before, why start now?" stance.

okay then, everybody turn off the coverage of this. We're not gonna give a damn about a people that isn't us, why bother hearing about it.

good news dictators around the world, you're free to use whatever means you want to use to keep your populace oppressed, no one's gonna give a flying fark about it so you won't have to worry about retaliation.
 
2013-08-30 09:27:40 AM

James!: Although administration officials cautioned that Mr. Obama had not made a final decision

... We're still going to pretend that he has and that it's the one we don't like.


Welcome to the last few days, I hope you enjoyed your stay. Coming up: more of the same!
 
2013-08-30 09:28:19 AM

vygramul: This is really the big problem: we've spent so much time doing stuff we shouldn't have (such as invading Iraq) that when one of the few instances I think we should feel COMPELLED to act finally comes up, everyone is too sick and tired of it to do it.


didn't you get the memo? This is Iraq war x10. Troops everywhere, invasions and bombings, we're going to be there for 1000 years because fark it, people are dying.
 
2013-08-30 09:33:21 AM

LasersHurt: James!: Although administration officials cautioned that Mr. Obama had not made a final decision

... We're still going to pretend that he has and that it's the one we don't like.

Welcome to the last few days, I hope you enjoyed your stay. Coming up: more of the same!


At least everyone got to troll each other about hypothetical shiat.
 
2013-08-30 09:33:56 AM

James!: LasersHurt: James!: Although administration officials cautioned that Mr. Obama had not made a final decision

... We're still going to pretend that he has and that it's the one we don't like.

Welcome to the last few days, I hope you enjoyed your stay. Coming up: more of the same!

At least everyone got to troll each other about hypothetical shiat.


Good, too, Fark was running low on people trolling eachother about things that aren't happening.
 
2013-08-30 09:38:10 AM
 
2013-08-30 09:38:16 AM

LasersHurt: James!: LasersHurt: James!: Although administration officials cautioned that Mr. Obama had not made a final decision

... We're still going to pretend that he has and that it's the one we don't like.

Welcome to the last few days, I hope you enjoyed your stay. Coming up: more of the same!

At least everyone got to troll each other about hypothetical shiat.

Good, too, Fark was running low on people trolling eachother about things that aren't happening.


I was worried we we had his Peak Hypothetical Pant Wetting.

Truly it must be a renewable resource.
 
2013-08-30 09:40:28 AM

James!: LasersHurt: James!: LasersHurt: James!: Although administration officials cautioned that Mr. Obama had not made a final decision

... We're still going to pretend that he has and that it's the one we don't like.

Welcome to the last few days, I hope you enjoyed your stay. Coming up: more of the same!

At least everyone got to troll each other about hypothetical shiat.

Good, too, Fark was running low on people trolling eachother about things that aren't happening.

I was worried we we had his Peak Hypothetical Pant Wetting.

Truly it must be a renewable resource.


I'm pretty sure that Obama is going to take our guns and give them to Al Qaeda.
 
2013-08-30 09:43:34 AM

vygramul: Weaver95: Nobody wants us to bomb Syria...nobody will help us bomb Syria....so what are we gonna do? Bomb Syria. Because reasons!

I really hope we don't do this. Enough with the bombings already.

This is really the big problem: we've spent so much time doing stuff we shouldn't have (such as invading Iraq) that when one of the few instances I think we should feel COMPELLED to act finally comes up, everyone is too sick and tired of it to do it.


Chemical weapons are bad, but go ahead and kill everyone in the neighborhood with guns and landlines cause we good with it...that sort of message is rather confusing to me.
 
2013-08-30 09:43:46 AM

LasersHurt: James!: LasersHurt: James!: LasersHurt: James!: Although administration officials cautioned that Mr. Obama had not made a final decision

... We're still going to pretend that he has and that it's the one we don't like.

Welcome to the last few days, I hope you enjoyed your stay. Coming up: more of the same!

At least everyone got to troll each other about hypothetical shiat.

Good, too, Fark was running low on people trolling eachother about things that aren't happening.

I was worried we we had his Peak Hypothetical Pant Wetting.

Truly it must be a renewable resource.

I'm pretty sure that Obama is going to take our guns and give them to Al Qaeda.


www.blairmilne.com
 
2013-08-30 09:44:35 AM
So you are all okay with chemical weapons? Are they not taboo anymore? Because if we do nothing, that is the message we're sending.
 
2013-08-30 09:46:09 AM

Weaver95: Chemical weapons are bad, but go ahead and kill everyone in the neighborhood with guns and landlines cause we good with it...that sort of message is rather confusing to me.


Well they're not convenient, sure, but deadly?
 
2013-08-30 09:47:21 AM
The vote was also a setback for Mr. Obama, who, having given up hope of getting United Nations Security Council authorization for the strike, is struggling to assemble a coalition of allies against Syria.

Coalition of the Willing 2, WMD Boogaloo.
 
2013-08-30 09:47:49 AM

Weaver95: vygramul: Weaver95: Nobody wants us to bomb Syria...nobody will help us bomb Syria....so what are we gonna do? Bomb Syria. Because reasons!

I really hope we don't do this. Enough with the bombings already.

This is really the big problem: we've spent so much time doing stuff we shouldn't have (such as invading Iraq) that when one of the few instances I think we should feel COMPELLED to act finally comes up, everyone is too sick and tired of it to do it.

Chemical weapons are bad, but go ahead and kill everyone in the neighborhood with guns and landlines cause we good with it...that sort of message is rather confusing to me.


The Geneva Conventions say it's ok to blow someone's arms off with artillery, but you can't yank 'em off with horses. Yet that message isn't confusing?
 
2013-08-30 09:48:02 AM
I mean I understand that there is massive war weariness because of Iraq and Afghanistan, but when do we stop caring about humanity at large? When do we decide that those people don't matter even when they get gassed because we're tired? We're the largest power in the world. We're the last great superpower. We have the ability to reach anywhere in the world in a few seconds and we can't be bothered to help a people being gassed by their own leaders?

At what point did we go from the last great superpower to country of moral cowards?
 
2013-08-30 09:48:06 AM

vernonFL: So you are all okay with chemical weapons? Are they not taboo anymore? Because if we do nothing, that is the message we're sending.


I just don't see how bombing Syria would stop Assad from committing more atrocities. And even if by some miracle we actually killed that bastard, we would likely end up letting the more radical Islamic factions run whatever was left of the country.
 
2013-08-30 09:48:57 AM

LasersHurt: Weaver95: Chemical weapons are bad, but go ahead and kill everyone in the neighborhood with guns and landlines cause we good with it...that sort of message is rather confusing to me.

Well they're not convenient, sure, but deadly?


Landmines. Stupid iPad autocorrect...
 
2013-08-30 09:49:00 AM

vernonFL: So you are all okay with chemical weapons? Are they not taboo anymore? Because if we do nothing, that is the message we're sending.


I think the hammer should fall and fall hard but I think that the international community needs to step up.  Especially Europe since this shiat is basically a long road trip from happening in their countries.
 
2013-08-30 09:50:29 AM
Assad tried to kill Obama's daddy.

/amidoinitrite?
 
2013-08-30 09:50:50 AM

Weaver95: Nobody wants us to bomb Syria...nobody will help us bomb Syria....so what are we gonna do? Bomb Syria. Because reasons!

I really hope we don't do this. Enough with the bombings already.


Write your senator, they still have the power to prevent war.  Obama is lame-duck and thus immune to pressure.
 
2013-08-30 09:51:48 AM

vygramul: Weaver95: vygramul: Weaver95: Nobody wants us to bomb Syria...nobody will help us bomb Syria....so what are we gonna do? Bomb Syria. Because reasons!

I really hope we don't do this. Enough with the bombings already.

This is really the big problem: we've spent so much time doing stuff we shouldn't have (such as invading Iraq) that when one of the few instances I think we should feel COMPELLED to act finally comes up, everyone is too sick and tired of it to do it.

Chemical weapons are bad, but go ahead and kill everyone in the neighborhood with guns and landlines cause we good with it...that sort of message is rather confusing to me.

The Geneva Conventions say it's ok to blow someone's arms off with artillery, but you can't yank 'em off with horses. Yet that message isn't confusing?


I think it's all pointless. The winners of any given conflict get to make up the rules and write the history books. The US trying to claim any sort of moral authority after the things we have done in our war on terror is...difficult to accept at face value.
 
2013-08-30 09:52:09 AM

Weaver95: Nobody wants us to bomb Syria...nobody will help us bomb Syria....so what are we gonna do? Bomb Syria. Because reasons!

I really hope we don't do this. Enough with the bombings already.


But what about the no bid rebuilding contracts?? They are worth billions!
 
2013-08-30 09:52:27 AM
When they say "no" they mean pay me.
 
2013-08-30 09:52:59 AM

somedude210: I mean I understand that there is massive war weariness because of Iraq and Afghanistan, but when do we stop caring about humanity at large? When do we decide that those people don't matter even when they get gassed because we're tired? We're the largest power in the world. We're the last great superpower. We have the ability to reach anywhere in the world in a few seconds and we can't be bothered to help a people being gassed by their own leaders?

At what point did we go from the last great superpower to country of moral cowards?


The moment the American people saw us torturing captives and decided it was ok because terrorism.
 
2013-08-30 09:53:23 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: Assad tried to kill Obama's daddy.

/amidoinitrite?


I think Frank Marshall Davis died before Assad came to power.
 
2013-08-30 09:53:43 AM

Weaver95: LasersHurt: Weaver95: Chemical weapons are bad, but go ahead and kill everyone in the neighborhood with guns and landlines cause we good with it...that sort of message is rather confusing to me.

Well they're not convenient, sure, but deadly?

Landmines. Stupid iPad autocorrect...


I do not enjoy typing more than about three words on an ipad without a bluetooth keyboard.
 
2013-08-30 09:54:11 AM
We bomb a lot of different countries. It usually doesn't make the nightly news. As long as it's only bombs and drones, I have no issue with this.
 
2013-08-30 09:55:02 AM

SithLord: Pants full of macaroni!!: Assad tried to kill Obama's daddy.

/amidoinitrite?

I think Frank Marshall Davis died before Assad came to power.


As if temporal continuity matters in politics.
 
2013-08-30 09:55:30 AM
gotta respect Sammy Wilson's question to the Prime Minister in the House yesterday, and the heckler who gave the real answer

"Given that the Prime Minister already has evidence of at least 14 other uses of chemical weapons on smaller scales in Syria, why is it only now that he has recalled the House to discuss intervention?'

heckler "...america!..."
 
2013-08-30 09:55:53 AM
They want a piece...

i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-30 09:56:01 AM
Administration - we need to teach Syria a lesson that this is not acceptable
The rest of the world - there is no chance this will teach them anything
 
2013-08-30 09:57:14 AM

LasersHurt: I'm pretty sure that Obama is going to take our guns and give them to Al Qaeda.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-30 09:57:43 AM

James!: vernonFL: So you are all okay with chemical weapons? Are they not taboo anymore? Because if we do nothing, that is the message we're sending.

I think the hammer should fall and fall hard but I think that the international community needs to step up.  Especially Europe since this shiat is basically a long road trip from happening in their countries.


Most of Europe has spent the last 20 years dismantling their militaries. We've been subsidizing their defense so long, they're practically a U.S. protectorate at this point.
 
2013-08-30 09:57:46 AM

ikanreed: Write your senator, they still have the power to prevent war.


It became clear that they have zero interest in exerting their authority when they said Obama should call them back into session. They don't need the Emperor's permission to return to session. The fact they're asking for it proves they're cowards.
 
2013-08-30 09:58:26 AM

Wolf_Blitzer: James!: vernonFL: So you are all okay with chemical weapons? Are they not taboo anymore? Because if we do nothing, that is the message we're sending.

I think the hammer should fall and fall hard but I think that the international community needs to step up.  Especially Europe since this shiat is basically a long road trip from happening in their countries.

Most of Europe has spent the last 20 years dismantling their militaries. We've been subsidizing their defense so long, they're practically a U.S. protectorate at this point.


I'm sure that's what Libya thought when France was blowing the shiat out of them.
 
2013-08-30 10:00:09 AM
Well, we got into two wars where no one involved is exactly an ally.  It's almost like we realized there's no way to 'win' those sorts of conflicts.

A meaningless war trifecta isn't a good thing to have achieved.
 
2013-08-30 10:00:19 AM

Wolf_Blitzer: James!: vernonFL: So you are all okay with chemical weapons? Are they not taboo anymore? Because if we do nothing, that is the message we're sending.

I think the hammer should fall and fall hard but I think that the international community needs to step up.  Especially Europe since this shiat is basically a long road trip from happening in their countries.

Most of Europe has spent the last 20 years dismantling their militaries. We've been subsidizing their defense so long, they're practically a U.S. protectorate at this point.


Yeah. They spent a trillion on health care for all their people. We spent a trillion on the most powerful military on earth. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader as to who got the better deal.
 
2013-08-30 10:01:34 AM
And if he doesn't bomb Syria, these same people will say Obama is weak for not sticking to his Red Line.

And if a chemical bomb that originated in Syria goes off in downtown NY, these same people will ask why didn't Obama do anything.

The same type of people that make these political cartoons are the same people that are criticizing him for acting. This isn't about Syria or chemical weapons, it's about making Obama and America look bad.

www.wnd.com

img.allvoices.com
 
2013-08-30 10:02:43 AM
Since we can't declare war on terror again, what will it be this time?  Angst?
 
2013-08-30 10:02:44 AM

vernonFL: So you are all okay with chemical weapons? Are they not taboo anymore? Because if we do nothing, that is the message we're sending.


Bullshiat. You sound exactly like people saying we need to go war in Iraq because we need to do something. No, we don't. We have no moral obligation here. None.
 
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