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2013-08-30 04:53:08 AM
FTFA:  In a statement on Thursday, the White House said President Barack Obama's decision-making "will be guided by what is in the best interests of the United States".

You know what's in the United States' best interest? Not getting dragged into another war. I for one am tired of seeing my country going broke over these adventures, while our soldiers come back with physical and mental scars that may last a lifetime, assuming they come back alive at all. It is time we told the rest of the world to be their own policemen, we're done with the task, especially since we get nothing back but hatred and disdain for our trouble.

We aren't the only member of the Geneva Convention. Let the rest of those countries step up and punish Syria for their use of chemical weapons. We need to sit this one out.
 
2013-08-30 05:36:16 AM

MmmmBacon: FTFA:  In a statement on Thursday, the White House said President Barack Obama's decision-making "will be guided by what is in the best interests of the United States".

You know what's in the United States' best interest? Not getting dragged into another war. I for one am tired of seeing my country going broke over these adventures, while our soldiers come back with physical and mental scars that may last a lifetime, assuming they come back alive at all. It is time we told the rest of the world to be their own policemen, we're done with the task, especially since we get nothing back but hatred and disdain for our trouble.

We aren't the only member of the Geneva Convention. Let the rest of those countries step up and punish Syria for their use of chemical weapons. We need to sit this one out.


What you said.
 
2013-08-30 07:15:37 AM

Abacus9: MmmmBacon: FTFA:  In a statement on Thursday, the White House said President Barack Obama's decision-making "will be guided by what is in the best interests of the United States".

You know what's in the United States' best interest? Not getting dragged into another war. I for one am tired of seeing my country going broke over these adventures, while our soldiers come back with physical and mental scars that may last a lifetime, assuming they come back alive at all. It is time we told the rest of the world to be their own policemen, we're done with the task, especially since we get nothing back but hatred and disdain for our trouble.

We aren't the only member of the Geneva Convention. Let the rest of those countries step up and punish Syria for their use of chemical weapons. We need to sit this one out.

What you said.


Pretty much.
 
2013-08-30 07:18:31 AM
what we need to do is stop dicking around when we go into these countries and actually plow it under, pave it over, and open a Denny's.
 
2013-08-30 07:20:00 AM
I'm not sure if I should support military action in Syria or not. I need to know if it will increase the value of the Lockheed Martin stock in my 401k.
 
2013-08-30 07:21:04 AM

MmmmBacon: FTFA:  In a statement on Thursday, the White House said President Barack Obama's decision-making "will be guided by what is in the best interests of the United States".

You know what's in the United States' best interest? Not getting dragged into another war. I for one am tired of seeing my country going broke over these adventures, while our soldiers come back with physical and mental scars that may last a lifetime, assuming they come back alive at all. It is time we told the rest of the world to be their own policemen, we're done with the task, especially since we get nothing back but hatred and disdain for our trouble.

We aren't the only member of the Geneva Convention. Let the rest of those countries step up and punish Syria for their use of chemical weapons. We need to sit this one out.



I got them, see you at the bar

most.444.hu
 
Skr
2013-08-30 07:21:21 AM
I guess I'm against action as I get the feeling that more people would die during this action than died due to the chemical attack. No guarantee that it was Assad's force that did the attack with all the differing factions and splinters that seem to be vying for the area. Ultimately, if they aren't going to assassinate that person who gave the order, then it is just grunts following orders that get killed.
 
2013-08-30 07:22:00 AM
Can we be absolutely clear on this, for future reference?

The USA G O V E R N M E N T to act in its best interests over Syria crisis.

Nearly none of 'we the people' that I talk to want anything to do with this shiat and object to millions upon millions of our tax dollars going to further enrich the MID and to slaughter more civlians while we 'hope' we kill our intended targets.

Hah, that's the worst part. We don't even have primary targets we are trying to eliminate. This is how we are 'sending a message' now.

wtf
 
2013-08-30 07:24:43 AM
I live the headline, good job sub.
 
2013-08-30 07:27:01 AM
Maybe Obama's jut been in the hooch too long. He hasn't heard a shot fired in anger in weeks and need to get back in the shiat. He's afraid of losing his 1000yrd stare.

/out of war movie references.
 
2013-08-30 07:27:06 AM

MurphyMurphy: Hah, that's the worst part. We don't even have primary targets we are trying to eliminate. This is how we are 'sending a message' now.


Exactly! I opposed our participation in the war in Libya on the principle that we shouldn't get involved in conflicts that don't threaten us, but at least that had a point. Spending a billion dollars to "send a message" - and killing some innocents in the process - is just sick.
 
2013-08-30 07:27:16 AM
I have a crazy idea...lets not do this.
 
2013-08-30 07:27:30 AM
I'm sure like Iraq and Afghanistan this'll be a huge success.
 
2013-08-30 07:29:05 AM
Speaking as a long term right wing warmonger I want nothing to do with an intervention in Syria.

Why?

In the ongoing civil war the remnant of the so-called government used a nerve agent to massacre a bit about a thousand Muslim civilians and an unknown number of insurgents. This is roughly the equivalent of an SS unit hitting a bump in the road and losing a truckload of thugs on the Night Of The Long Knives.

So what?

Both sides are Muslims, which is to say that they are by their doctrine enemies of Mankind and deserving of NO SYMPATHY at all.  Let the murderers kill each other off and let us be done with them.  Forever.

But The Big Zero is apparently chomping at the bit to intervene. Presumably on the side of the insurgents, who in this case are the local version of the SS.

Intervening in the fight between the SA and the SS would not have made sense with Nazi Germany.  Why should anyone perform an equivalent action now?

 The only reasonable ground I could see for entering Syria would be to rescue the innocent third parties.  Specifically the remnant of Christians in that land.  Furthermore the operation should be performed with only unrestricted rules of engagement towards the warring factions.  Those who gang rape and murder children deserve to be exterminated.

But The Big Zero would not think of doing that.
 
2013-08-30 07:30:32 AM
But Raytheon got a huge bump from the news of war. Won't you please think of the death machine manufacturers?
 
2013-08-30 07:31:53 AM

Old enough to know better: I'm sure like Iraq and Afghanistan this'll be a huge success.


i think the fact that either no longer has weapons of mass destruction, speaks to great success in both instances.
 
2013-08-30 07:33:00 AM
Surgical strikes, huh?

It's good that the US can hit a 1-meter square area, but the blast radius on these "surgery tools" is more than 30 meters.

"Good news, we removed that appendix, but the operation accidentally blew up your house, killing your wife and kids."
 
2013-08-30 07:35:25 AM

JackalRabbit: Old enough to know better: I'm sure like Iraq and Afghanistan this'll be a huge success.

i think the fact that either no longer has weapons of mass destruction, speaks to great success in both instances.


How do you know any were there in the first place? We never found any.
 
2013-08-30 07:36:13 AM
The USA can't sit idly by and watch notorious international criminals get away with war crimes.

/So we're arresting Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld.
 
2013-08-30 07:36:43 AM
Both sides are anti-American.  There is a third faction that doesn't hate us, and they're the ones that are dying.
 
2013-08-30 07:37:29 AM
Is "discovering oil" what they're calling bombings now? How's that Nobel Peace Prize looking now?
 
2013-08-30 07:38:25 AM

Abacus9: JackalRabbit: Old enough to know better: I'm sure like Iraq and Afghanistan this'll be a huge success.

i think the fact that either no longer has weapons of mass destruction, speaks to great success in both instances.

How do you know any were there in the first place? We never found any.


perhaps i should have highlighted the no longer as well.
 
2013-08-30 07:39:16 AM
Of course there's no irony in the fact that Obama "courageously" voted against intervening in Iraq when they were gassing the Kurds and otherwise attacking and killing their own.  Move along. Nothing to see here.
 
2013-08-30 07:40:27 AM

JackalRabbit: Old enough to know better: I'm sure like Iraq and Afghanistan this'll be a huge success.

i think the fact that either no longer has weapons of mass destruction, speaks to great success in both instances.




Well, when a pot meets that qualification...
 
2013-08-30 07:41:25 AM
I'd like to see how many people that parroted the phrase "illegal war" when talking about W are gonna be defending the current administration when they do a very similar thing.

I think there is a word for that...
 
2013-08-30 07:47:52 AM
Let me see if I have this right.

Obama draws a red line in the sand - Syria crosses red line.

Almost NO ONE is the US gives a damned about getting involved in the Syrian civil war.

Obama looks for a good reason to bomb Syria to save HIS face and look like he's "The Man".

In my opinion, Obama is an idiot heading up a political religious cult (Liberalism) that hates the military; hates the US; thinks nothing of the constitution; by-passes every limitation on his role as president; and Congress just sits there and does nothing.

Where am I wrong?
 
2013-08-30 07:49:54 AM

MabalzIzari: Obama looks for a good reason to bomb Syria to save HIS face and look like he's "The Man".

do what his masters in Israel tell him to do

/FTFY
 
2013-08-30 07:51:08 AM

MabalzIzari: Where am I wrong?


You completely ignored that fact that Israel is pulling the strings and it wouldn't matter who was president?
 
2013-08-30 07:52:57 AM
If we go through with a few surgical strikes, that would be fine. I'm just hoping that this doesn't turn in to a ground war.

When I was watching the press secretary yesterday, his wordplay and deflection was sickening. National security my ass.
 
2013-08-30 07:52:58 AM

Tricky Chicken: I'd like to see how many people that parroted the phrase "illegal war" when talking about W are gonna be defending the current administration when they do a very similar thing.

I think there is a word for that...



Most will probably say the same about this. What is your point?
 
2013-08-30 07:54:08 AM

buttcat: If we go through with a few surgical strikes, that would be fine. I'm just hoping that this doesn't turn in to a ground war.

When I was watching the press secretary yesterday, his wordplay and deflection was sickening. National security my ass.


I have yet to see a successful surgery performed with a 1000 pound bomb.
 
2013-08-30 07:54:34 AM

Tricky Chicken: I'd like to see how many people that parroted the phrase "illegal war" when talking about W are gonna be defending the current administration when they do a very similar thing.

I think there is a word for that...


Way to be a partisan dick
 
2013-08-30 07:55:45 AM

Tricky Chicken: I'd like to see how many people that parroted the phrase "illegal war" when talking about W are gonna be defending the current administration when they do a very similar thing.


You go right ahead and point them out to us, Sparky.  Keep a list.
 
2013-08-30 07:56:04 AM

MabalzIzari: In my opinion, Obama is an idiot heading up a political religious cult (Liberalism) that hates the military; hates the US; thinks nothing of the constitution; by-passes every limitation on his role as president; and Congress just sits there and does nothing.

Where am I wrong?


Every where.
 
2013-08-30 07:56:05 AM
President Obama needs to get back in his truck and not follow Syria.  They only have a bag of skittles and might be upset if you follow them.  Wait for the police or we all know how this will go down.
 
2013-08-30 07:56:19 AM
This isn't Libya, Syria is a whole different animal for several reasons.

1: They are best friends with Iran, which has promised retaliation if Syria is attacked.

2: The rebels are not a cohesive group like in Libya. A great deal of them are terrorist, and backed by terrorist. So yes, they totally had motive and opportunity to use chemical weapons as a pretense to get the government overthrown by western intervention.

3: Still no evidence directly linking the use of chemical weapon use to Assad.

4: Russia would rather we not do a damn thing, because they have a seaport in Syria and well they're good customer. They've even threatened to stop letting us buy their rocket engines, and who knows what else they do. Oh, sorry. You can find your own ride to ISS.

5: Israel. Yes, Israel is very much involved seeing how they border Syria. Who do you think Iran will try to attack if we attack Syria?

6: We know all of this. Which is why we aren't pushing for a regime change, and why we just want to do a punishment strike. Honestly though, that will do the Syria people no good and it will involve us in matters that we have no business being involved in. Sure, do all you can to make sure the mess doesn't spill over the borders of Syria but this is a mess we want nothing to do with otherwise.

7: Remember the last time we did a punishment strike? There is a high probability of retaliation through terrorism. Fun.

No thank you.
 
2013-08-30 07:59:44 AM

JackalRabbit: what we need to do is stop dicking around when we go into these countries and actually plow it under, pave it over, and open a Denny's.

Make it a Waffle House and I'm in.
 
2013-08-30 07:59:54 AM
2016 will be about who condemns what we do in Syria the loudest. What a legacy Obama.
 
2013-08-30 08:00:38 AM

MabalzIzari: In my opinion, Obama is an idiot heading up a political religious cult (Liberalism) that hates the military; hates the US; thinks nothing of the constitution; by-passes every limitation on his role as president; and Congress just sits there and does nothing.

Where am I wrong?


You are wrong in that you blame "Liberalism" rather than a political system that is owned and operated large corporations, regardless of party in power.  Remember that Romney and McCain both were hard up to bomb Iran, and this adventure in Syria is the perfect farking setup to do just that.
 
2013-08-30 08:01:55 AM
Obama is stupid enough to be pushed by the neocons into falling for this ploy.
I wouldn't bet against Russian operators being behind this chemical weapons attack, either.
 
2013-08-30 08:03:04 AM

cman: Tricky Chicken: I'd like to see how many people that parroted the phrase "illegal war" when talking about W are gonna be defending the current administration when they do a very similar thing.

I think there is a word for that...

Way to be a partisan dick


You see, W actually started an "illegal war"  Obama hasn't started shiat, yet.  Conservatives are shiatting themselves over what they believe will happen.  It would be nice If they didn't have a short sighted perception of what Obama is, since day one.
 
2013-08-30 08:03:41 AM

lockers: 2016 will be about who condemns what we do in Syria the loudest. What a legacy Obama.


It's not like his presidency has been a raging success on any front.
He's a black George W. Bush for all intents and purposes and as displayed by his choices.
Gitmo, permawar, NSA, it's the same clown show.
 
2013-08-30 08:05:24 AM

ManateeGag: Obama hasn't started shiat, yet.


He hasn't ended any of it, either.
So there's that.

He's end things when Lockheed Martin gives him permission to end them.
 
2013-08-30 08:06:05 AM

MmmmBacon: FTFA:  In a statement on Thursday, the White House said President Barack Obama's decision-making "will be guided by what is in the best interests of the United States".

You know what's in the United States' best interest? Not getting dragged into another war. I for one am tired of seeing my country going broke over these adventures, while our soldiers come back with physical and mental scars that may last a lifetime, assuming they come back alive at all. It is time we told the rest of the world to be their own policemen, we're done with the task, especially since we get nothing back but hatred and disdain for our trouble.

We aren't the only member of the Geneva Convention. Let the rest of those countries step up and punish Syria for their use of chemical weapons. We need to sit this one out.


The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

(and don't tell me this man isn't evil... I'll start posting pictures of dead kids from the gas attack)
 
2013-08-30 08:06:40 AM
As another Farker put it,
Syrians are killing in a way we don't approve of. Better send in the army to kill Syrians until they go back to killing each other the right way.
 
2013-08-30 08:06:45 AM

Abacus9: JackalRabbit: Old enough to know better: I'm sure like Iraq and Afghanistan this'll be a huge success.

i think the fact that either no longer has weapons of mass destruction, speaks to great success in both instances.

How do you know any were there in the first place? We never found any.


Sure we did.  They were used in Syria.
 
2013-08-30 08:09:18 AM
It's about time to free the shiat out of them.
 
2013-08-30 08:10:57 AM

wingnut396: You are wrong in that you blame "Liberalism" rather than a political system that is owned and operated large corporations, regardless of party in power.  Remember that Romney and McCain both were hard up to bomb Iran, and this adventure in Syria is the perfect farking setup to do just that.


I agree with the majority of your statement. Both political parties are to blame and corporations own the best politicians money can buy.

I do, however, stand by my opinion that OBAMA heads up a political religious cult. "Liberalism" and wants desperately to save his face.
 
2013-08-30 08:12:08 AM

MabalzIzari: In my opinion, Obama is an idiot heading up a political religious cult (Liberalism) that hates the military; hates the US; thinks nothing of the constitution; by-passes every limitation on his role as president; and Congress just sits there and does nothing.

Where am I wrong?


You're not well, are you?
 
2013-08-30 08:13:51 AM

Tricky Chicken: I'd like to see how many people that parroted the phrase "illegal war" when talking about W are gonna be defending the current administration when they do a very similar thing.

I think there is a word for that...


There won't be a war, or even acts of war committed.

In Libya, the administration at first justified military action via a UN resolution, but later argued that since US actions were limited to missile strikes and drone attacks, it wasn't a war at all because:

U.S. operations do not involve sustained fighting or active exchanges of fire with hostile forces, nor do they involve the presence of U.S. ground troops, U.S. casualties or a serious threat thereof, or any significant chance of escalation into a conflict characterized by those factors.

And therefore no Congressional oversight was needed and the War Powers act didn't apply.  Of course we later sent in special forces, but that also didn't count because they were on training missions, so we didn't expect them to get shot at.  After all, what reasonable person would believe that special forces in a war torn country who are actively involved in training rebels might possibly come under fire?

Same thing will happen here, minus the UN resolution or even the support of NATO.  We'll bombard Syria with missiles and drones and send in special forces in an attempt to tip the balance of power towards the rebels, but according to the administration it won't be a  war for the same reasons that Libya wasn't.

Maybe we'll mix in a new way for this not to be a war while we are at it.  Perhaps stealth bombers don't count as warfare if we didn't expect them to be shot at when we launched the sortie.  Something to set a precedent for the next non-war.

And just as in Libya, people who should know better will nod and say, yep, its not a war when only the other side is getting "degraded", keep up the good work!

Meanwhile, in unrelated news, the US is well on its way to an all-drone air force, and is experimenting heavily with combat robots, and eventually a guy you don't like will get elected President.
 
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