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(Yahoo)   Now you might want to sit down for this, but it appears China's judicial system may not be totally corruption-free and that the children of the country's ruling oligarchs get special, lenient treatment from the courts   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 58
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2013-08-29 04:15:36 PM
So they've adopted our judicial standards.
 
2013-08-29 05:51:41 PM

Steve Zodiac: So they've adopted our judicial standards.


Aaaaaaand we're done here
 
2013-08-29 05:55:10 PM

Steve Zodiac: So they've adopted our judicial standards.


the american system has its issues, but we don't allow the wealthy to hire people to go to jail/prison for them...yet
 
2013-08-29 05:55:50 PM
heahea.org
 
2013-08-29 05:57:05 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Steve Zodiac: So they've adopted our judicial standards.

Aaaaaaand we're done here


Glad to see the Fark Blame Amerika First platoon high fiving each other right out of the gate.
 
2013-08-29 05:57:14 PM
The word "corruption" seems to imply that the system is being somehow perverted to lead to those results. The fact is, the system is set up that way, from the factory. This is exactly the way the system is designed to work.
 
2013-08-29 05:59:14 PM
Did you say China?  Because it sounds like you are describing every western country on the planet.

Odd.
 
2013-08-29 06:03:35 PM

Kahabut: Did you say China?  Because it sounds like you are describing every western country on the planet.

Odd.


FTFY. This is a universal way society works.
 
2013-08-29 06:04:53 PM
Supplies!
 
2013-08-29 06:05:14 PM
$ome people are more equal than others.
 
2013-08-29 06:07:35 PM
Baksheesh or guanxi, the system is designed for bribery and corruption. That's a feature, not a bug.
 
2013-08-29 06:08:55 PM

thenumber5: the american system has its issues, but we don't allow the wealthy to hire people to go to jail/prison for them...yet


No, we don't put them to the inconvenience of finding somebody. We let them buy their way out of their problems, no stand-in required.
 
2013-08-29 06:08:56 PM
China's Communism is now like America's Capitalism.
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2013-08-29 06:09:23 PM

Fano: Peter von Nostrand: Steve Zodiac: So they've adopted our judicial standards.

Aaaaaaand we're done here

Glad to see the Fark Blame Amerika First platoon high fiving each other right out of the gate.


Pathetic yet predictable.

Criminal defense attorneys in China are regularly subject to intimidation from the state, including having their relatives abducted. They're brave people many of whom would likely lay down their lives for their country to have a judicial system like ours, imperfect as it is.
 
2013-08-29 06:10:43 PM
xavdematoscom.ipage.com
 
2013-08-29 06:11:21 PM
Also, there may actually be MSG in your take-out.
 
2013-08-29 06:11:49 PM
So they're stealing the corrupt judge jobs too?
We outsource everything nowadays...
 
2013-08-29 06:13:54 PM

Steve Zodiac: So they've adopted our judicial standards.


Indeed. They copy everything from us.
 
2013-08-29 06:16:02 PM

thenumber5: Steve Zodiac: So they've adopted our judicial standards.

the american system has its issues, but we don't allow the wealthy to hire people to go to jail/prison for them...yet


Ted Kennedy, Lindsey Lohan, the executives at Bank of America, Capital One, BP and many other of the elite would disagree.
 
2013-08-29 06:16:31 PM
Willas Tyrell:
Criminal defense attorneys in China are regularly subject to intimidation from the state, including having their relatives abducted. They're brave people many of whom would likely lay down their lives for their country to have a judicial system like ours, imperfect as it is.
 img.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-29 06:19:05 PM
Tsay it ain't Tso!
 
2013-08-29 06:21:53 PM
Sounds like the USA.  See we're not so different.  ; )
 
2013-08-29 06:29:46 PM

FarkinHostile: Willas Tyrell:
Criminal defense attorneys in China are regularly subject to intimidation from the state, including having their relatives abducted. They're brave people many of whom would likely lay down their lives for their country to have a judicial system like ours, imperfect as it is.
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"Both sides are bad, so vote human sacrifice"? That's what you've got?
 
2013-08-29 06:30:18 PM

Steve Zodiac: So they've adopted our judicial standards.


Nice quick thread win there.
 
2013-08-29 06:30:37 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Also, there may actually be MSG in your take-out.


I'd rather have MSG than CAT.
 
2013-08-29 06:31:33 PM
It's not even remotely like the US, so you can stop with the lame comparisons.

Spent a few years advising foreigners on dealing with the Chinese legal system (or lack thereof) and oh, the stories!
And I'm only talking about the investment laws/system.
 
2013-08-29 06:33:09 PM

Willas Tyrell: "Both sides are bad, so vote human sacrifice"? That's what you've got?



Is that what you really interpret?

Interesting.
 
2013-08-29 06:35:58 PM
China and Russia are in for some rough times in the media.
 
2013-08-29 06:36:18 PM

Fano: Peter von Nostrand: Steve Zodiac: So they've adopted our judicial standards.

Aaaaaaand we're done here

Glad to see the Fark Blame Amerika First platoon high fiving each other right out of the gate.


You sound like a turd
 
2013-08-29 06:48:30 PM
I see a lot of stupid comments comparing the US judicial system with the Chinese.  Let's see:

Their criminal system is based largely on the soviet system, with some influence from Germany (Prussian/Bismark era).  It is not influenced by the US system in any way.

Their judges can easily be in their 20's and totally inexperienced.  They go to special court schools/training, and afterwards, they can be judges.  So there are fun situations of a family law court judge being in her 20's and never married but adjudicating divorce matters. Or worse, if you have some complex economic dispute.

There are no juries. Everything is a bench trial.

You can easily shorten your lifespan or freedom (or lose your bar license at the very least) by taking up criminal defense or defending persons wronged by the system (poor peasants displaced by land developers is a good example) - hence most of my Chinese colleagues wanted to work in corporate work - better pay too.

Without special permission, the press and especially foreigners are not even allowed in the courthouses.

Throw in rampant corruption because the judges make a pittance and have to supplement their income somehow.  Yes, there is a death penalty for corruption above a certain amount (actually its a pretty small amount) but not stealing is considered by many as being an idiot based on the chances of actually being caught.

The court system in China is so shiatty and unprofessional that even government officials will advise foreigners to take their disputes to private arbitration venues.
 
2013-08-29 06:56:59 PM
based on the comments so far it seems it is important that people know the US is not as bad as china with regard to special privileges for the elite... that's a feather in our cap, we should be proud of ourselves.
 
2013-08-29 06:59:49 PM

Anayalator: [heahea.org image 596x394]


Chinese...Japanese...whatever.
 
2013-08-29 07:03:35 PM

rinosaurus: Fano: Peter von Nostrand: Steve Zodiac: So they've adopted our judicial standards.

Aaaaaaand we're done here

Glad to see the Fark Blame Amerika First platoon high fiving each other right out of the gate.

You sound like a turd


Yes, the sentient turd in your Waterford punchbowl.
 
2013-08-29 07:05:47 PM
Headso:
based on the comments so far it seems it is important that people know the US is not as bad as china with regard to special privileges for the elite... that's a feather in our cap, we should be proud of ourselves.


Not at all.  For a democracy and being a superpower, Americans should be ashamed about the amount of people they put in jail, any issues of corruption and other shortcomings.

China is a totalitarian state so the comparison is not fair or accurate at all.
 
2013-08-29 07:08:26 PM
To quote Howie Carr of the Boston Herald " In the halls of justice the only justice is in the halls"
 
2013-08-29 07:18:19 PM
Is there a country on this planet where this isn't the case?
 
2013-08-29 07:24:31 PM

shastacola: Is there a country on this planet where this isn't the case?


I've heard the Big Rock Candy Mountain Administrative Province and Kiddy Fiddler's Green have a lack of such corruption.
 
2013-08-29 07:25:48 PM

Fano: Peter von Nostrand: Steve Zodiac: So they've adopted our judicial standards.

Aaaaaaand we're done here

Glad to see the Fark Blame Amerika First platoon high fiving each other right out of the gate.


Because we don't have anything like this. I mean, a judge being paid to send kids to prison can only happen in China amiright?
 
2013-08-29 07:28:11 PM

Willas Tyrell: "Both sides are bad, so vote human sacrifice"? That's what you've got?


Why are you opposed to human sacrifice?  The Gods need nourishment!!!  Why did we build the ball courts if not to find appropriate sacrifices??  God you heathen liberals make me sick!!!

www.puertovallarta.net
 
2013-08-29 07:36:27 PM

Steve Zodiac: So they've adopted our judicial standards.


We were done in one folks.
 
2013-08-29 08:01:35 PM

Steve Zodiac: So they've adopted our judicial standards.

Peter von Nostrand: Steve Zodiac: So they've adopted our judicial standards.

Aaaaaaand we're done here



Not quite.

Corruption Index by Transparency International.  (activist organization similar to Amnesty International)

Note the U.S. is one of the least corrupt nations on the globe.   ttp://www.transparency.org/cpi2012/results

I realize it sounds cool to make everything in the world all about the "U.S.A!!", and all that.   But at some point it is actually useful to acknowledge there is a world outside our border.  And, gasp, some people aren't as incredibly well off as we in the U.S. are.
 
2013-08-29 08:19:43 PM

orclover: Steve Zodiac: So they've adopted our judicial standards.

We were done in one folks.


No, as stated before, that's a daft comparison due to innumerable fallacies.

Chuckling along at a failure of a joke is a sign of your weakness.
 
2013-08-29 08:24:34 PM
James O'Keefe
 
2013-08-29 08:27:55 PM

Sandwyrm: orclover: Steve Zodiac: So they've adopted our judicial standards.

We were done in one folks.

No, as stated before, that's a daft comparison due to innumerable fallacies.

Chuckling along at a failure of a joke is a sign of your weakness.


His statement looks pretty accurate to me.  I guess from the posh neighborhood of San Jose it might look a lil different.  Enjoy the view.
 
2013-08-29 08:31:20 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Steve Zodiac: So they've adopted our judicial standards.
Peter von Nostrand: Steve Zodiac: So they've adopted our judicial standards.

Aaaaaaand we're done here


Not quite.

Corruption Index by Transparency International.  (activist organization similar to Amnesty International)

Note the U.S. is one of the least corrupt nations on the globe.   ttp://www.transparency.org/cpi2012/results

I realize it sounds cool to make everything in the world all about the "U.S.A!!", and all that.   But at some point it is actually useful to acknowledge there is a world outside our border.  And, gasp, some people aren't as incredibly well off as we in the U.S. are.


Thank you for putting some perspective into the thread. It will be nice to hear from Farkers that lived in the PRC rather than a circlejerk on American politics.
I made my previous comment because those posts are so reflexive. What it is like to live in a country where NOTHING gets done if you don't bribe or have political pull must be astonishing. My wife certainly didn't care for it.

To address a valid point, however, raised nicely by SirEatonHogg, is that we Americans SHOULD be always striving for a more transparent and honest government.
 
2013-08-29 08:31:50 PM

gweilo8888: thenumber5: the american system has its issues, but we don't allow the wealthy to hire people to go to jail/prison for them...yet

No, we don't put them to the inconvenience of finding somebody. We let them buy their way out of their problems, no stand-in required.




Well, sometimes they allow people inside their sphere of influence to be the fall guy.
 
2013-08-29 08:33:19 PM

Fano: ThrobblefootSpectre: Steve Zodiac: So they've adopted our judicial standards.
Peter von Nostrand: Steve Zodiac: So they've adopted our judicial standards.

Aaaaaaand we're done here


Not quite.

Corruption Index by Transparency International.  (activist organization similar to Amnesty International)

Note the U.S. is one of the least corrupt nations on the globe.   ttp://www.transparency.org/cpi2012/results

I realize it sounds cool to make everything in the world all about the "U.S.A!!", and all that.   But at some point it is actually useful to acknowledge there is a world outside our border.  And, gasp, some people aren't as incredibly well off as we in the U.S. are.

Thank you for putting some perspective into the thread. It will be nice to hear from Farkers that lived in the PRC rather than a circlejerk on American politics.
I made my previous comment because those posts are so reflexive. What it is like to live in a country where NOTHING gets done if you don't bribe or have political pull must be astonishing. My wife certainly didn't care for it.

To address a valid point, however, raised nicely by SirEatonHogg, is that we Americans SHOULD be always striving for a more transparent and honest government.


WTF does that mean, striving? Sounds like a cop-out to this veteran.
 
2013-08-29 09:45:37 PM
Guanxi isn't exactly corruption.

Not exactly.
 
2013-08-29 10:02:00 PM

starsrift: Guanxi isn't exactly corruption.

Not exactly.




Is that like grease isn't bribery?
 
2013-08-29 10:58:11 PM
This made me think of the original "Hunt for Red October" novel. Part of why Ramius originally defected was because his wife died from a botched surgery, and the doctor wasn't punished because he was the relative of a ranking Party member.
 
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