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2013-08-29 01:29:28 PM
Racist? It's downright unethical! How DARE someone send a 5 or 6-year-old on an away mission to "protect" full-grown adults like Kirk, Spock, and McCoy?! :O

I can't believe this didn't come with a Wheaton tag!
 
2013-08-29 01:37:24 PM
Racist how? Giving your own child an advantage because you are able to does not mean you have it out for people with different skin colors.
 
2013-08-29 01:41:45 PM
Considering that minorities have less jobs under Obama, they should have plenty of time to 'red-shirt' their own kids but that would require them to actually have some sort of responsibility.
 
2013-08-29 01:42:12 PM
I've heard redshirting called many things, from foolish to helicoptering, but I think this is the first time I've ever heard it called racist.
 
2013-08-29 01:50:01 PM

cgraves67: Racist how? Giving your own child an advantage because you are able to does not mean you have it out for people with different skin colors.

Millennium: I've heard redshirting called many things, from foolish to helicoptering, but I think this is the first time I've ever heard it called racist.


It's classist, which tends to be linked to race.

/the article author is also sexist
 
2013-08-29 01:51:56 PM
It's not racist. it's random.
 
2013-08-29 01:57:38 PM
If your little retard can't compete with the kids his age, he's going to be a loser anyway. May as well get him used to the idea when he's young.
 
2013-08-29 02:00:16 PM

Theaetetus: cgraves67: Racist how? Giving your own child an advantage because you are able to does not mean you have it out for people with different skin colors.
Millennium: I've heard redshirting called many things, from foolish to helicoptering, but I think this is the first time I've ever heard it called racist.

It's classist, which tends to be linked to race.

/the article author is also sexist


It's not classist either. You aren't passing a judgement on or actively working against others by giving your own offspring the best that you can provide for them. We raise out babies for nearly two decades in order to provide them with the best advantages in their own adult lives. We aren't reptiles who lay a clutch of eggs and slither away. It's our nature to give our children anything we can!

and

Where does it stop? Are all advantages immoral?  "Sorry, son. I'm not buying you shoes because other people can't afford shoes, and I don't want you to have any advantages they don't have."
 
2013-08-29 02:01:10 PM
It only works if most other people don't do it.
 
2013-08-29 02:06:37 PM

cgraves67: Theaetetus: cgraves67: Racist how? Giving your own child an advantage because you are able to does not mean you have it out for people with different skin colors.
Millennium: I've heard redshirting called many things, from foolish to helicoptering, but I think this is the first time I've ever heard it called racist.

It's classist, which tends to be linked to race.

/the article author is also sexist

It's not classist either. You aren't passing a judgement on or actively working against others by giving your own offspring the best that you can provide for them. We raise out babies for nearly two decades in order to provide them with the best advantages in their own adult lives. We aren't reptiles who lay a clutch of eggs and slither away. It's our nature to give our children anything we can!

and

Where does it stop? Are all advantages immoral?  "Sorry, son. I'm not buying you shoes because other people can't afford shoes, and I don't want you to have any advantages they don't have."


I think you're confused. I'm not saying "don't do it," and if I had kids, I'd certainly pass on every advantage I could. My point is that, nonetheless, you should recognize that some of those advantages are unearned, but are unfairly obtained due to your position and status. Does utilizing those advantages perpetuate class-based inequality, or even expand it? Absolutely. Hence, as a practice, it's classist.

You, however, seem to define "classist" as "passing judgement or actively working against others [presumably based on class distinctions]". That's an overly narrow definition.
 
2013-08-29 02:28:22 PM

Theaetetus: I think you're confused. I'm not saying "don't do it," and if I had kids, I'd certainly pass on every advantage I could. My point is that, nonetheless, you should recognize that some of those advantages are unearned, but are unfairly obtained due to your position and status.


It's not a simple dichotomy: inherent in the idea of earning a thing -indeed, of owning a thing- is the right to pass it on. If that "advantage" is freely passed on, then there is nothing unfair about it.

Does utilizing those advantages perpetuate class-based inequality, or even expand it? Absolutely. Hence, as a practice, it's classist.

That's ridiculous. The use of one's personal agency to gain better opportunities for growth is not "perpetuating inequality."

You, however, seem to define "classist" as "passing judgement or actively working against others [presumably based on class distinctions]". That's an overly narrow definition.

And people wonder why sociologists get looked down on the rest of society. This is what they've resorted to? Redefining terms to take the intent out of evil, all for the sake of demonizing the people they don't sympathize with?
 
2013-08-29 02:45:32 PM

Millennium: Redefining terms to take the intent out of evil, all for the sake of demonizing the people they don't sympathize with?


That's a large percentage of the "work" liberal arts colleges engage in lately, it seems sometimes.
 
2013-08-29 02:47:07 PM
sending them on an away team with capt kirk and letting them get shot by the Romulans?
 
2013-08-29 02:51:28 PM
www.blastr.com
Of course it's racist, because you KNOW the Brother is going to die first!
 
2013-08-29 02:51:43 PM
So, when I was growing up, NH didn't have public kindergarten, because we enjoy being considered the Alabama of the Northeast, so people who couldn't afford or didn't want to send their child to religious kindergarten often had 6 year old children who weren't socially ready for first grade, so they went to something called "Readiness". I have no idea if this still exists but it was basically a more expensive version of kindergarten.

I would be super interested to see college completion and employment statistics on kids that started first grade when there were 7, because New Hampshire's education laws were stupid.
 
2013-08-29 02:52:41 PM

Millennium: Theaetetus: I think you're confused. I'm not saying "don't do it," and if I had kids, I'd certainly pass on every advantage I could. My point is that, nonetheless, you should recognize that some of those advantages are unearned, but are unfairly obtained due to your position and status.

It's not a simple dichotomy: inherent in the idea of earning a thing -indeed, of owning a thing- is the right to pass it on. If that "advantage" is freely passed on, then there is nothing unfair about it.


I notice how you subtly equated "earning" and "owning" so that you could rewrite my statement. Let's return to the issue at hand, rather than your attempt to deflect: is an unearned advantage "unfair"? Most would argue yes. For example, if we're playing baseball, and my team starts with an automatic five runs, would you say that's "unfair"? If I win by five runs (or even four), would you acknowledge that I'm clearly the better sportsman?

Does utilizing those advantages perpetuate class-based inequality, or even expand it? Absolutely. Hence, as a practice, it's classist.

That's ridiculous. The use of one's personal agency to gain better opportunities for growth is not "perpetuating inequality."


Again, you're avoiding the issue, since we're not talking about personal agency at all.

You, however, seem to define "classist" as "passing judgement or actively working against others [presumably based on class distinctions]". That's an overly narrow definition.

And people wonder why sociologists get looked down on the rest of society. This is what they've resorted to? Redefining terms to take the intent out of evil, all for the sake of demonizing the people they don't sympathize with?


... he says, redefining the term to use an overly narrow definition, for the sake of demonizing people he doesn't sympathize with.
 
2013-08-29 02:53:51 PM

Ennuipoet: [www.blastr.com image 740x493]
Of course it's racist, because you KNOW the Brother is going to die first!


Is he taking them to task for their falling performance numbers on that chart?
 
2013-08-29 02:58:57 PM

Theaetetus: Ennuipoet: [www.blastr.com image 740x493]
Of course it's racist, because you KNOW the Brother is going to die first!

Is he taking them to task for their falling performance numbers on that chart?


Actually, those are the survival percentages over time.
 
2013-08-29 03:00:19 PM
Redshirting?

I'm more interested in trading brap jr. for a bag hammers and a first round child to be named later.
 
2013-08-29 03:00:55 PM

Ennuipoet: [www.blastr.com image 740x493]
Of course it's racist, because you KNOW the Brother is going to die first!


I wonder what's up with the graph in the background. Is it Federation stock? Enterprise productivity?
 
2013-08-29 03:01:57 PM
I have friends considering this for their child, his birthday is 4 days before the date cutoff for school, so he would be the absolute youngest in his class.  There are reasons to do this.
 
2013-08-29 03:07:51 PM
Meh, we're white and rich. One son was ready early, he's the youngest in the class. The other was ready on time but is one of the oldest in his class. It's called parenting, people, you talk with the teachers and other professionals around you and make a decision. The author is a total coont.
 
2013-08-29 03:11:51 PM

naughtyrev: Ennuipoet: [www.blastr.com image 740x493]
Of course it's racist, because you KNOW the Brother is going to die first!

I wonder what's up with the graph in the background. Is it Federation stock? Enterprise productivity?


Call CSI, they can zoom and enhance for you.
 
2013-08-29 03:12:49 PM
FTA: The advantages of kindergarten redshirting are numerous - your child is older, therefore his brain is more mature. He more readily grasps the concepts of math and writing and has better fine motor control to excel. He is more emotionally and socially mature.

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2013-08-29 03:14:06 PM

J. Frank Parnell: FTA: The advantages of kindergarten redshirting are numerous - your child is older, therefore his brain is more mature. He more readily grasps the concepts of math and writing and has better fine motor control to excel. He is more emotionally and socially mature.

[i2.kym-cdn.com image 363x310]


Yeah. the ones that were held back probably could have been held back a second year...
 
2013-08-29 03:15:12 PM
A thing now? We considered doing it with our son who is now 19 years old.
 
2013-08-29 03:15:15 PM

rumpelstiltskin: If your little retard can't compete with the kids his age, he's going to be a loser anyway. May as well get him used to the idea when he's young.

 
2013-08-29 03:15:33 PM

Theaetetus: cgraves67: Racist how? Giving your own child an advantage because you are able to does not mean you have it out for people with different skin colors.
Millennium: I've heard redshirting called many things, from foolish to helicoptering, but I think this is the first time I've ever heard it called racist.

It's classist, which tends to be linked to race.

/the article author is also sexist


There has to be a way we can link this to Feminism as well
 
2013-08-29 03:15:42 PM
Mine's one of the oldest in his class (yay for December birthdays!).... and I worry about him getting bored. Thankfully he got put in the smart-kids class this year (first grade) because last year there were maybe three in his his class up to his level or beyond (and I really worry about one girl in his class getting bored, the child is a genius) .... the rest of the kids were learning how to write an "a."
 
2013-08-29 03:16:59 PM
Ennuipoet,

I thought it was a Star Trek reference too.
 
2013-08-29 03:17:08 PM
I was always the youngest in the class.  It sucked.

Freshman year, I was always scrambling to borrow an ID because I was still 17 for most of first semester.  Sucked.

/Was not ready for college
 
2013-08-29 03:17:40 PM
I know people who held their kids back TWO years, so when they get to high school, they'll excel at sports and have a better chance at getting scholarships.
 
2013-08-29 03:17:59 PM

Millennium: I've heard redshirting called many things, from foolish to helicoptering, but I think this is the first time I've ever heard it called racist.


Honestly, the kidergarden teachers of the ghetto schools can force the kids to repeat kindergarden, in effect redshirting them without the "I can't afford extra pre-school" issues. But most of the ghetto schools tend to not hold back kids even when they need it.
 
2013-08-29 03:18:47 PM

Wellon Dowd: A thing now? We considered doing it with our son who is now 19 years old.


Isn't that a little old for kindergarten?
 
2013-08-29 03:19:20 PM
Your redshirted kid may get a more fruitful kindergarten out of this deal, but he'll also spend a larger than usual period of life driving all his/her younger friends around, and buying them smokes and beer.
 
2013-08-29 03:20:06 PM
If you call it "redshirting", you should be summarily executed.
 
2013-08-29 03:20:08 PM

MindStalker: But most of the ghetto schools tend to not hold back kids even when they need it.


Because that would be "leaving them behind", or something.

/and probably get them accused of being racists
 
2013-08-29 03:20:09 PM

MindStalker: Millennium: I've heard redshirting called many things, from foolish to helicoptering, but I think this is the first time I've ever heard it called racist.

Honestly, the kidergarden teachers of the ghetto schools can force the kids to repeat kindergarden, in effect redshirting them without the "I can't afford extra pre-school" issues. But most of the ghetto schools tend to not hold back kids even when they need it.


Thanks, No Child Left Behind.
 
2013-08-29 03:20:26 PM

Ennuipoet: [www.blastr.com image 740x493]
Of course it's racist, because you KNOW the Brother is going to die first!


Came for this, leaving less dissatisfied.
 
2013-08-29 03:20:42 PM
I was the opposite. I was usually the youngest kid in my class. Graduated June 4 at 17-years-old and birthday not till end of November.
 
2013-08-29 03:20:56 PM
I've been hearing about this for several years.  Sounds like someone doesn't live in an affluent, white community.
 
2013-08-29 03:21:43 PM
PROBLEM. SOLVED.

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2013-08-29 03:21:50 PM

ferretman: Considering that minorities have less jobs under Obama, they should have plenty of time to 'red-shirt' their own kids but that would require them to actually have some sort of responsibility.


yeah those asians never do what's right by their children, they have no responsibility...
 
2013-08-29 03:21:51 PM

cgraves67: Racist how? Giving your own child an advantage because you are able to does not mean you have it out for people with different skin colors.


I'm not sure about that.
I knew this dry cleaner once, and he moved in to our apartment building in NYC back in the 70's and he hated out upstairs neighbor's husband just because he was a different color.
 
2013-08-29 03:22:23 PM

QueenMamaBee: Mine's one of the oldest in his class (yay for December birthdays!).... and I worry about him getting bored. Thankfully he got put in the smart-kids class this year (first grade) because last year there were maybe three in his his class up to his level or beyond (and I really worry about one girl in his class getting bored, the child is a genius) .... the rest of the kids were learning how to write an "a."


That's funny. My best friend in grade school (Good old Tony) also had a December birthday, but he was 8 months younger than me...and still one of the, if not the smartest kid in the class.
 
2013-08-29 03:22:28 PM
This is what Nell's mom was doing and you guys called her a monster.
 
2013-08-29 03:22:44 PM
The guys 'held back' in my elementary class were relegated to sitting in the back and 'reading' Doctor Seuss while everyone else paid attention to the teacher. I'm not sure how that helped them.
 
2013-08-29 03:22:56 PM
Came here to say something pithy about an away team.  See I was beaten, nay, soundly trounced by the guy with the picture.  Going to leave in shame.
 
2013-08-29 03:23:00 PM
I liked the world better when the only people min/maxing everything were lonely video game nerds.
 
2013-08-29 03:23:04 PM
Sleeping with the teacher helps.. glad I could help my kids out with kindergarden.
 
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