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(The Raw Story)   Thanks to 'small government,' nearly 1 in 5 scientists is contemplating leaving the U.S. for somewhere they can get funded   (rawstory.com) divider line 157
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2013-08-29 02:52:13 PM
This is that pivotal moment in the civ game where everything starts to go to hell and suddenly the Shoshone are finishing up their space shuttle and you stuck devoting all your resources to a war with three worthless powers and their city state allies.
 
2013-08-29 02:55:27 PM

PapaChester: This is that pivotal moment in the civ game where everything starts to go to hell and suddenly the Shoshone are finishing up their space shuttle and you stuck devoting all your resources to a war with three worthless powers and their city state allies.


Aww, that never ends well.
 
2013-08-29 02:59:35 PM

PapaChester: This is that pivotal moment in the civ game where everything starts to go to hell and suddenly the Shoshone are finishing up their space shuttle and you stuck devoting all your resources to a war with three worthless powers and their city state allies.


That's why you've hopefully gotten a few nukes stockpiled and you launch them at the Shoshone in a last ditch effort to remain relevant. ....and then you get obliterated.

also known as the "North Korea Move"
 
2013-08-29 03:04:42 PM

PapaChester: This is that pivotal moment in the civ game where everything starts to go to hell and suddenly the Shoshone are finishing up their space shuttle and you stuck devoting all your resources to a war with three worthless powers and their city state allies.


If you are losing to the Shoshone, you suck. They have nothing going for them after the first 50 turns.
 
2013-08-29 03:34:25 PM
80% are staying!

56% of them can't afford to leave.
 
2013-08-29 03:53:35 PM
Hey, if they don't want that sweet grant money from Bob Jones University to prove that Global Warming is just Jesus hugging us extra hard because gheys then good riddance, Poindexter!
 
2013-08-29 04:39:04 PM
Looks like the Global WarmingTM gold mine is all played out...
 
2013-08-29 04:42:40 PM
Maybe they're leaving because the US is quickly becoming uninhabitable for anyone with an intellect.
 
2013-08-29 04:43:25 PM
Curly_Bill.jpg
 
2013-08-29 04:43:46 PM
Remember when brain drain was something that happened to other countries as scientists fled here?
 
2013-08-29 04:45:21 PM

gadian: Maybe they're leaving because the US is quickly becoming uninhabitable for anyone with an intellect.


QFT
 
2013-08-29 04:46:13 PM

Neighborhood Watch: Looks like the Global WarmingTM gold mine is all played out...


Richard Flaccid: Curly_Bill.jpg


Wow, someone must have told them there were lots of bridge tolls to be collected, they swooped in fast.
 
2013-08-29 04:46:34 PM

Neighborhood Watch: Looks like the Global WarmingTM gold mine is all played out...


You know, i have you labeled as Zimmerman troll, but your trolling seems more versatile that that.   My apologies for mislabeling you.
 
2013-08-29 04:46:57 PM
You mean the job creators didn't step up and funded costly research and development projects?  I'm shocked!
 
2013-08-29 04:49:44 PM
50% of the country says good, gtfo you elitist libtard jerks
 
2013-08-29 04:50:45 PM
I'll trade you some wood for a sheep?
 
2013-08-29 04:50:50 PM
Pift. What has science ever done for us?! Except for being the foundation of our entire civilization. Otherwise nothing!
 
2013-08-29 04:51:08 PM
At some point it's going to have to become obvious that we need extensive public funding of R&D if the private sector isn't going to step up. The term "small government" is a ruse for anti-progressivism.
 
2013-08-29 04:51:35 PM
Wrong, Subby, they are considering leaving because of too much federal regulation!

I am sure I heard that.
 
2013-08-29 04:51:46 PM
I'd definitely consider it.  Most of my job has become writing grant proposals at this point, and I don't even see the reason to bother.  We have projects that were supposed to come on-line two months ago that we still haven't heard about, probably because they are waiting to see what happens with the latest government shut-down threat.  As long as the government hobbles along from one continuing resolution to the next, everything is on hold.  Proposals never make it out of review, or they make it out of review but the money never gets released.  I shudder to think how bad we'll have it when the GOP eventually gets control again, and starts its punishment-therapy against the nation in earnest.
 
2013-08-29 04:53:09 PM
www.ivandavidoff.com
 
2013-08-29 04:55:48 PM

Unknown_Poltroon: Neighborhood Watch: Looks like the Global WarmingTM gold mine is all played out...

You know, i have you labeled as Zimmerman troll, but your trolling seems more versatile that that.   My apologies for mislabeling you.


I had him labelled as ACA troll, but i must agree with you on that point.
 
2013-08-29 04:57:39 PM
There is lots of funding for scientists in the private sector, but the problem is that it is all commercially oriented. Gone are the days when big companies such as HP, TI, 3M, IBM, or any of the other Fortune-1000 would fund "pure research" where they would give scientists labs but no specific objective.

I don't work for any of those, but friends from college days that do that I have kept in touch with have seen that all erode away starting in the '80s to where it is now -- which is zilch.

But Republicans don't like supporting liberal causes and you know what science leads to don't you?
 
2013-08-29 04:57:40 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Most of my job has become writing grant proposals at this point, and I don't even see the reason to bother.  We have projects that were supposed to come on-line two months ago that we still haven't heard about, probably because they are waiting to see what happens with the latest government shut-down threat.  As long as the government hobbles along from one continuing resolution to the next, everything is on hold.


I work totally in the private sector but many of the companies our little company does work for are huge multinationals that are doing the same wait and see type stuff, they are afraid of whatever the next shutdown or cut is going to do, I think that is part of the problem with this "recovery" with money not getting out of the gates and creating jerbs.
 
2013-08-29 04:59:59 PM
NIH funding is ass right now. Whole lotta people stuck in postdoc hell or get the hell out of science entirely because tenure-track positions often require having an NIH grant or equivalent.
 
2013-08-29 05:03:41 PM
Don't worry, we're still leading the world in marketing bullshiat and sales.
 
2013-08-29 05:04:19 PM
Riiiight.  Like "science" and "technology" give us a competitive edge globally.
 
2013-08-29 05:04:22 PM

Smoking GNU: Unknown_Poltroon: Neighborhood Watch: Looks like the Global WarmingTM gold mine is all played out...

You know, i have you labeled as Zimmerman troll, but your trolling seems more versatile that that.   My apologies for mislabeling you.

I had him labelled as ACA troll, but i must agree with you on that point.


I just have him labeled as a 'tard.
 
2013-08-29 05:05:15 PM

InmanRoshi: Don't worry, we're still leading the world in marketing bullshiat and sales.


I was going to say, our edge in abstractions can't be beat!
 
2013-08-29 05:06:54 PM
Them scientists could go up to Canada, if you don't mind blacked out portions on your results, because you made the mistake of not continuing the rightwing profit line by ignoring the tar sands pollution and all that fish farming killing wild salmon.

Hey maybe your whole team will disappear in an instant as the government funding got pulled and your credibility just got shot to death as a government representative shoves a pile of soggy fries in your mouth. Try finding a new job now you truth teller.
 
2013-08-29 05:07:02 PM

cubic_spleen: Smoking GNU: Unknown_Poltroon: Neighborhood Watch: Looks like the Global WarmingTM gold mine is all played out...

You know, i have you labeled as Zimmerman troll, but your trolling seems more versatile that that.   My apologies for mislabeling you.

I had him labelled as ACA troll, but i must agree with you on that point.

I just have him labeled as a 'tard.


I don't even bother.  A few of them I do because they're annoying.  That one's trying way too hard.  It's rather sad.  Classic cry for attention.
 
2013-08-29 05:10:02 PM

Diogenes: cubic_spleen: Smoking GNU: Unknown_Poltroon: Neighborhood Watch: Looks like the Global WarmingTM gold mine is all played out...

You know, i have you labeled as Zimmerman troll, but your trolling seems more versatile that that.   My apologies for mislabeling you.

I had him labelled as ACA troll, but i must agree with you on that point.

I just have him labeled as a 'tard.

I don't even bother.  A few of them I do because they're annoying.  That one's trying way too hard.  It's rather sad.  Classic cry for attention.


I was thinking it was more from a lack of experience, like a TFer with his first alt account.
 
2013-08-29 05:12:10 PM

AntiNerd: There is lots of funding for scientists in the private sector, but the problem is that it is all commercially oriented. Gone are the days when big companies such as HP, TI, 3M, IBM, or any of the other Fortune-1000 would fund "pure research" where they would give scientists labs but no specific objective.

I don't work for any of those, but friends from college days that do that I have kept in touch with have seen that all erode away starting in the '80s to where it is now -- which is zilch.

But Republicans don't like supporting liberal causes and you know what science leads to don't you?


Dancing?
 
2013-08-29 05:13:49 PM
Not mentioned: They aren't US citizens. Just people who came here on H1Bs.
 
2013-08-29 05:13:51 PM

DamnYankees: PapaChester: This is that pivotal moment in the civ game where everything starts to go to hell and suddenly the Shoshone are finishing up their space shuttle and you stuck devoting all your resources to a war with three worthless powers and their city state allies.

If you are losing to the Shoshone, you suck. They have nothing going for them after the first 50 turns.


But those first 50 turns of awesome are sometimes all you need, provided you can get at the goody-huts. Get a head start on religion, tech, and, best of all, one (or two) composite bowmen with no movement penalty upgraded from the unique scouts (some with healing/defense survivalist promotions if you play your cards right) and you have the makings of a bronze-age blitzkrieg. Not to mention their infuriating ability to park a city near an opponent's fledgling one to instantly grab all nearby resources.

That being said, I think there might be something buggy in the Shoshone AI, played a few single player games where as far as I could tell, they attempted no exploration (even on Emperor difficulty where they start out with more units). I grabbed up bunch of goody huts just sitting barely out of their capitol line of sight all those times.
 
2013-08-29 05:14:38 PM

Neighborhood Watch: Looks like the Global WarmingTM gold mine is all played out...


Keep farking that chicken.
 
2013-08-29 05:14:43 PM
If scientists were interested in researching better bootstraps, this would not be an issue.
 
2013-08-29 05:17:00 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: I'd definitely consider it.  Most of my job has become writing grant proposals at this point, and I don't even see the reason to bother.  We have projects that were supposed to come on-line two months ago that we still haven't heard about, probably because they are waiting to see what happens with the latest government shut-down threat.  As long as the government hobbles along from one continuing resolution to the next, everything is on hold.  Proposals never make it out of review, or they make it out of review but the money never gets released.  I shudder to think how bad we'll have it when the GOP eventually gets control again, and starts its punishment-therapy against the nation in earnest.


Yup. My research was supported by DARPA. Funding cuts ended the program 2 years early. Hey, it's not like there was much of a financial return in saving soldier's lives in Afghanistan, anyway.
 
2013-08-29 05:17:29 PM
Imagine how much funding all those cruise missiles we're about to lob at Syria would provide...
or how much the cost of one new sports stadium would provide...

Priorities, we have them.
 
2013-08-29 05:18:22 PM

cubic_spleen: Smoking GNU: Unknown_Poltroon: Neighborhood Watch: Looks like the Global WarmingTM gold mine is all played out...

You know, i have you labeled as Zimmerman troll, but your trolling seems more versatile that that.   My apologies for mislabeling you.

I had him labelled as ACA troll, but i must agree with you on that point.

I just have him labeled as a 'tard.


I just labeled him 'troll grey'.
(I loved him in 'Cabaret')
 
2013-08-29 05:20:17 PM

AntiNerd: There is lots of funding for scientists in the private sector, but the problem is that it is all commercially oriented. Gone are the days when big companies such as HP, TI, 3M, IBM, or any of the other Fortune-1000 would fund "pure research" where they would give scientists labs but no specific objective.

I don't work for any of those, but friends from college days that do that I have kept in touch with have seen that all erode away starting in the '80s to where it is now -- which is zilch.

But Republicans don't like supporting liberal causes and you know what science leads to don't you?


Did you oppose the breakup of the Bell system? That's the starting point for the end of Bell Labs.
 
2013-08-29 05:20:18 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Not mentioned: They aren't US citizens. Just people who came here on H1Bs.


an obvious oversight by a liburl  rag since we know we dont want no any foreigner science, no siree bob. USA USA!
 
2013-08-29 05:21:00 PM
Hmm. That is unfortunate. How high of a VAT should we propose to pay for the cost of these critically important programs?
 
2013-08-29 05:21:55 PM
The other four are researching weaponry.
 
2013-08-29 05:24:01 PM
So what? Everyone knows the Rapture is right around the corner... who the hell cares what happens after that?
 
2013-08-29 05:24:39 PM

El_Swino: Diogenes: cubic_spleen: Smoking GNU: Unknown_Poltroon: Neighborhood Watch: Looks like the Global WarmingTM gold mine is all played out...

You know, i have you labeled as Zimmerman troll, but your trolling seems more versatile that that.   My apologies for mislabeling you.

I had him labelled as ACA troll, but i must agree with you on that point.

I just have him labeled as a 'tard.

I don't even bother.  A few of them I do because they're annoying.  That one's trying way too hard.  It's rather sad.  Classic cry for attention.

I was thinking it was more from a lack of experience, like a TFer with his first alt account.


Quite plausible.
 
2013-08-29 05:25:14 PM
Small government? It's bigger now than ever, and only getting bigger.
 
2013-08-29 05:26:42 PM
Small government proponents can't ever seem to define or agree on what a small government is.
 
2013-08-29 05:28:06 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Hmm. That is unfortunate. How high of a VAT should we propose to pay for the cost of these critically important programs?


No need for a tax that hurts the poor and lower middle class the most.
 
2013-08-29 05:32:44 PM
Agreed. I just read a book called Bell labs and the great age of American innovation. When AT&T ran the show they funded all kinds of research. Most of the things we use today came from Bell Labs.


AntiNerd: There is lots of funding for scientists in the private sector, but the problem is that it is all commercially oriented. Gone are the days when big companies such as HP, TI, 3M, IBM, or any of the other Fortune-1000 would fund "pure research" where they would give scientists labs but no specific objective.

I don't work for any of those, but friends from college days that do that I have kept in touch with have seen that all erode away starting in the '80s to where it is now -- which is zilch.

But Republicans don't like supporting liberal causes and you know what science leads to don't you?

 
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