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2013-08-29 12:54:18 PM
alienationmentale.files.wordpress.com
They should just go on instruments
 
2013-08-29 12:58:55 PM
static.rcgroups.net
 
2013-08-29 01:10:55 PM
Just hope they're not out of coffee.
 
2013-08-29 01:18:26 PM

I_Am_Weasel: Just hope they're not out of coffee.


Coffee!  What is it?
 
2013-08-29 01:27:40 PM
"At some airports with really short runways, you're not going to have a smooth landing no matter how good we are: John Wayne Airport; Jackson Hole, Wyoming; Chicago Midway; and Reagan National.

Hey Zeus, is that the truth. I flew into the Jackson Hole airport once. The landing trajectory could best be described as "rock-like" and it was still the hardest landing I've ever been through.

Talking to the stewardess after we landed, she told us that another plane had run off the end of the runway the week before because the pilot didn't set the plane down and get it stopped fast enough.
 
2013-08-29 01:29:13 PM
oi39.tinypic.com
 
2013-08-29 01:42:31 PM

FrancoFile: I_Am_Weasel: Just hope they're not out of coffee.

Coffee!  What is it?


It's a dark caffeinated liquid brewed from beans, but that's not important right now.
 
2013-08-29 01:48:52 PM
Once, I experienced a landing so smooth you literally could not feel or hear when the wheels Hit pavement. I felt the need to congratulate the pilot on the way out.

Then there was the landing that was so hard the oxygen masks fell down in several places. Freaked several people.

I am guessing the latter happens more often than the former.
 
2013-08-29 02:02:05 PM

Ambivalence: Once, I experienced a landing so smooth you literally could not feel or hear when the wheels Hit pavement. I felt the need to congratulate the pilot on the way out.

Then there was the landing that was so hard the oxygen masks fell down in several places. Freaked several people.

I am guessing the latter happens more often than the former.


A good landing is anyone you can walk away from, a great landing is one where you can reuse the plane.
 
2013-08-29 02:10:56 PM
came for the airplane references and well.. wow.. no failing at those whatsoever...

Keep up the good work, we're all counting on you,

/not over Macho Grande
 
2013-08-29 02:11:39 PM
Amen. There is nothing quite as fun as the simulated carrier landings at Washington Reagan.
 
2013-08-29 02:15:06 PM

Elegy: "At some airports with really short runways, you're not going to have a smooth landing no matter how good we are: John Wayne Airport; Jackson Hole, Wyoming; Chicago Midway; and Reagan National.

Hey Zeus, is that the truth. I flew into the Jackson Hole airport once. The landing trajectory could best be described as "rock-like" and it was still the hardest landing I've ever been through.

Talking to the stewardess after we landed, she told us that another plane had run off the end of the runway the week before because the pilot didn't set the plane down and get it stopped fast enough.


The closest airport to me is Huntington, WV. The same one the Marshall plane was attempting to land at when it smacked into the side of the mountain. I cringe every time I fly into there.
 
2013-08-29 02:15:15 PM
"The Department of Transportation has put such an emphasis on on-time performance that we pretty much aren't allowed to delay a flight anymore, even if there are 20 people on a connecting flight that's coming in just a little late."


I've been on several flights this year alone that have waited for a single person before leaving, so I call BS.
 
2013-08-29 02:15:26 PM
I actually have this issue of Reader's Digest and that story is several years old.

/just sayin'
 
2013-08-29 02:15:47 PM
By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?

Probably get some Cesna pilot, when it's a different kind of flying altogether.
 
2013-08-29 02:15:50 PM
Looks like i picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue
 
2013-08-29 02:16:00 PM

Elegy: "At some airports with really short runways, you're not going to have a smooth landing no matter how good we are: John Wayne Airport; Jackson Hole, Wyoming; Chicago Midway; and Reagan National.

Hey Zeus, is that the truth. I flew into the Jackson Hole airport once. The landing trajectory could best be described as "rock-like" and it was still the hardest landing I've ever been through.



I flew into there on a 737 back in the day.  It was one of the smoothest landings I ever remember.  This is back when 737s used to make the Salt Lake-Jackson-Idaho Falls run (now only regional commuters go into Idaho Falls).  It was right after a blizzard so the fact that it was night and there was very little wind may have had something to do with it....that and the fact that the pilot "goosed" the engine a tiny bit to help him get over the farking fence at the end of the runway (which he probably cleared by 15 feet).
 
2013-08-29 02:16:16 PM
I fly into Midway all the time. I know it's wedged into a residential neighborhood, but I didn't think the runways were much shorter than any other decent sized airport.  Haven't ever noticed the landings there to be significantly worse than anywhere else.
 
2013-08-29 02:17:20 PM
No but, I did play a lot of Tie fighter.

/pew pew pew
 
2013-08-29 02:17:32 PM
Yeah!
John Wayne made the shiat list, twice!
Crazy Airspace
Short runways

OC Rules!
Don't fly here
 
2013-08-29 02:18:37 PM

mithras_angel: By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?

Probably get some Cesna pilot, when it's a different kind of flying altogether.


It's a different kind of flying.

/chump don't want no help, chump don't get no help.
 
2013-08-29 02:19:16 PM
The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.
 
2013-08-29 02:19:48 PM
It's a damn good thing you guys don't know how much I hate your guts.
 
2013-08-29 02:20:13 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.


The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only.  There is no stopping in the white zone.
 
2013-08-29 02:20:46 PM
Pilots are complaining.  Airlines respond:

"Oh, cut the bleeding heart crap, will ya? We've all got our switches, lights, and knobs to deal with, Mr. Pilot. I mean, down here there are literally hundreds and thousands of blinking, beeping, and flashing lights, blinking and beeping and flashing - they're *flashing* and they're *beeping*. I can't stand it anymore! They're *blinking* and *beeping* and *flashing*! Why doesn't somebody pull the plug?"
 
2013-08-29 02:20:54 PM
>The two worst airports for us: Reagan National in Washington, D.C. and John Wayne in Orange County, Calif.

Ayup. Never understood how a national airport within sight of the Capitol would require landing planes to follow the same angle of descendant as the freaking space shuttle on glide slope.
 
2013-08-29 02:25:04 PM

Highroller48: Pilots are complaining.  Airlines respond:

"Oh, cut the bleeding heart crap, will ya? We've all got our switches, lights, and knobs to deal with, Mr. Pilot. I mean, down here there are literally hundreds and thousands of blinking, beeping, and flashing lights, blinking and beeping and flashing - they're *flashing* and they're *beeping*. I can't stand it anymore! They're *blinking* and *beeping* and *flashing*! Why doesn't somebody pull the plug?"


Well played. Not everyone goes for the "Airplane II" references.

/make them blink in sequence
 
2013-08-29 02:25:48 PM
FTFA: "The two worst airports for us: Reagan National in Washington, D.C., and John Wayne in Orange County, Calif. You're flying by the seat of your pants trying to get in and out of those airports. John Wayne is especially bad because the rich folks who live near the airport don't like jet noise, so they have this noise abatement procedure where you basically have to turn the plane into a ballistic missile as soon as you're airborne

I've flown in and out of John Wayne twice. The pilot came on the PA both times and told us about this rule. They said there may be some discomfort because of the flight profile.  They had to sit on the runway and firewall then engines. Once they were at max power they release the brakes and climb at max rate (I think they were doing Vx max) until they hit 1,000' AGL. Then they had to idle the engines while they glided out over Newport Harbor and weren't allowed to give it any power until they were over the Pacific. Once there they completed a normal climb out. It was quite a ride.
 
2013-08-29 02:26:19 PM
Lets get some pictures.

i44.tinypic.com
 
2013-08-29 02:30:51 PM

Best Princess Celestia: "The Department of Transportation has put such an emphasis on on-time performance that we pretty much aren't allowed to delay a flight anymore, even if there are 20 people on a connecting flight that's coming in just a little late."


I've been on several flights this year alone that have waited for a single person before leaving, so I call BS.


Well, they are pressured to leave on time because the boys on the board are under a lot of pressure from the boys downtown.

/Obscure Airplane 2 quote.
 
2013-08-29 02:32:38 PM
Midway is a biatch, even in a smaller airplane. You have a displaced threshold on all runways plus when the ceiling is really low, I mean really low, when you finally pop out at 200AGL, I swear, I can see what people are having for dinner in their apartments. Maybe that's my problem. I'm always looking thru people's windows instead at the runway.
 
2013-08-29 02:32:56 PM

MelGoesOnTour: I actually have this issue of Reader's Digest

I wouldn't admit that, if I were you.


/ Real flying is in a two-seater.  747s are expensive, but not hard to fly (other than the engineering degree you need to have to qualify)
// I never landed at Reagan, but I've heard so many bad things, I never want to.
 
2013-08-29 02:35:01 PM

mithras_angel: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.

No, The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only.  There is no stopping in the white zone.


Oh really, Vernon? Why pretend, we both know perfectly well what this is about. You want me to have an abortion!
 
2013-08-29 02:36:26 PM

FrancoFile: I_Am_Weasel: Just hope they're not out of coffee.

Coffee!  What is it?


a hot strong dark caffeinated drink, but that's not important right now
 
2013-08-29 02:37:27 PM
FTFA: No, it's not your imagination: Airlines really have adjusted their flight arrival times so they can have a better record of on-time arrivals. So they might say a flight takes two hours when it really takes an hour and 45 minutes.

I remember when the FAA started measuring on-time records.  All of a sudden Chicago and Minneapolis were 45 minutes further apart.
 
2013-08-29 02:38:31 PM

wxboy: Well, they are pressured to leave on time because the boys on the board are under a lot of pressure from the boys downtown.

/Obscure Airplane 2 quote.


Apropos, yes.  Obscure?  Umm...no.
 
2013-08-29 02:38:56 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: [354x200 from http://alienationmentale.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/airplane_seppuku. jpg image 354x200]
They should just go on instruments


Damn, you beat me to it.

I'm so upset, haven't been this sick since that Ronald Reagan Film Festival.

www.unc.edu

/Neilsen's "soul face" kills me every time
 
2013-08-29 02:39:42 PM
DCA is my favorite to fly out of here, mostly because it's the most convenient for me although I prefer its layout to Dulles especially (BWI is not bad though).  I don't mind that it can be a little choppy on takeoff and landing but in my experience most pilots do an excellent job considering they have to come down the Potomac and cut a quick turn then land on a short runway.
 
2013-08-29 02:42:12 PM

Highroller48: wxboy: Well, they are pressured to leave on time because the boys on the board are under a lot of pressure from the boys downtown.

/Obscure Airplane 2 quote.

Apropos, yes.  Obscure?  Umm...no.




Is there such a thing as an obscure Airplane quote on Fark?
 
2013-08-29 02:42:13 PM
Do you like movies about gladiators?
 
2013-08-29 02:42:40 PM
"You may go to an airline website and buy a ticket, pull up to its desk at the curb, and get onto an airplane that has a similar name painted on it, but half the time, you're really on a regional airline. The regionals aren't held to the same safety standards as the majors: Their pilots aren't required to have as much training and experience, and the public doesn't know that." -Captain at a major airline

This is an important one. You think you're getting on Delta, United, etc. since the plane says that and your ticket says that, but it's really some regional carrier. Not only do the pilots have less training and experience, they get paid a lot less too.

And Reagan National being on the list twice.....that's why I don't use that airport. That and the fact Dulles is a lot closer. Oh, and its name is National Airport. The GOP controlled Congress at the time blackmailed the local airport authority to change the name to Reagan. They were like "Know all those improvements you want to make at your three airports? No money for that unless you change the name". They really did this.
 
2013-08-29 02:45:51 PM

xxmedium: >The two worst airports for us: Reagan National in Washington, D.C. and John Wayne in Orange County, Calif.

Ayup. Never understood how a national airport within sight of the Capitol would require landing planes to follow the same angle of descendant as the freaking space shuttle on glide slope.


Government stuff to the north, and the rich and powerful living along the river to the south... Its really not that bad, but you do have to watch yourself at times.
 
2013-08-29 02:46:23 PM

Evil Mackerel: No but, I did play a lot of Tie fighter.

/pew pew pew


Only the greatest game ever!
If it came down to it, and I had to fly a plane, I'm sure my experience there would get us through safely.

//Xwing Vs Tie Fighter was even better.  Gimme an Interceptor, and I'll kick your arse.
 
2013-08-29 02:47:21 PM

Astorix: Highroller48: wxboy: Well, they are pressured to leave on time because the boys on the board are under a lot of pressure from the boys downtown.

/Obscure Airplane 2 quote.

Apropos, yes.  Obscure?  Umm...no.

Is there such a thing as an obscure Airplane quote on Fark?


It wouldn't even be obscure in a Turkish prison.
 
2013-08-29 02:47:50 PM
Walker: "You may go to an airline website and buy a ticket, pull up to its desk at the curb, and get onto an airplane that has a similar name painted on it, but half the time, you're really on a regional airline. The regionals aren't held to the same safety standards as the majors: Their pilots aren't required to have as much training and experience, and the public doesn't know that." -Captain at a major airline

This is an important one. You think you're getting on Delta, United, etc. since the plane says that and your ticket says that, but it's really some regional carrier. Not only do the pilots have less training and experience, they get paid a lot less too.

No kidding. Look at Colgan Air Flight 3407. It's an example of this leading to everyone being killed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colgan_Air_Flight_3407
 
2013-08-29 02:50:05 PM

MadMattressMack:
I've flown in and out of John Wayne twice. The pilot came on the PA both times and told us about this rule. They said there may be some discomfort because of the flight profile.  They had to sit on the runway and firewall then engines. Once they were at max power they release the brakes and climb at max rate (I think they were doing Vx max) until they hit 1,000' AGL. Then they had to idle the engines while they glided out over Newport Harbor and weren't allowed to give it any power until they were over the Pacific. Once there they completed a normal climb out. It was quite a ride.


I fly in and out of John Wayne all the time (6-10 times a year).

It appears they have recently updated their noise abatement procedures. They don't fly out over the ocean as long anymore. They now tend to turn to the South a little sooner, climbing the whole time, but on slightly less power. Still a throttle-back of the engines, but not as severe as it was a few years ago. Also, the landings here are no different than I've experienced anywhere else.

Most of those things are worthless.

For instance, on the fuel issue. You are required, by law, to carry enough fuel to get you to the airport, to an alternative airport PLUS 45 minutes of flight time. There is plenty of fuel on board.
 
2013-08-29 02:51:26 PM

Walker: The GOP controlled Congress at the time blackmailed the local airport authority to change the name to Reagan. They were like "Know all those improvements you want to make at your three airports? No money for that unless you change the name". They really did this.


This is news?

I would love to know what pilots think of flying into certain airports that I've been to a couple of times like San Diego (flying right over the houses just before landing), San Francisco (those runways... what a pisser) or Denver (middle of farking nowhere and the ton of runways there going in all directions).
 
2013-08-29 02:53:33 PM
Scraps is a BOY dog!
 
2013-08-29 02:54:28 PM

kidgenius: MadMattressMack:
I've flown in and out of John Wayne twice. The pilot came on the PA both times and told us about this rule. They said there may be some discomfort because of the flight profile.  They had to sit on the runway and firewall then engines. Once they were at max power they release the brakes and climb at max rate (I think they were doing Vx max) until they hit 1,000' AGL. Then they had to idle the engines while they glided out over Newport Harbor and weren't allowed to give it any power until they were over the Pacific. Once there they completed a normal climb out. It was quite a ride.

I fly in and out of John Wayne all the time (6-10 times a year).

It appears they have recently updated their noise abatement procedures. They don't fly out over the ocean as long anymore. They now tend to turn to the South a little sooner, climbing the whole time, but on slightly less power. Still a throttle-back of the engines, but not as severe as it was a few years ago. Also, the landings here are no different than I've experienced anywhere else.



It's still better than LAX. I hadn't noticed any harder landings there. The worse I've had was at Hobby in Houston. There were gusty crosswinds so I'm not going to chalk it all up to the pilot.
 
2013-08-29 02:55:31 PM

Walker: "You may go to an airline website and buy a ticket, pull up to its desk at the curb, and get onto an airplane that has a similar name painted on it, but half the time, you're really on a regional airline. The regionals aren't held to the same safety standards as the majors: Their pilots aren't required to have as much training and experience, and the public doesn't know that." -Captain at a major airline

This is an important one. You think you're getting on Delta, United, etc. since the plane says that and your ticket says that, but it's really some regional carrier. Not only do the pilots have less training and experience, they get paid a lot less too.


Did the rules about that change recently? I ask because I booked some flights for next month, and while I was searching for them a lot of the flights noted under the flight number that it would be operated by [insert regional carrier here], even if it was just one leg of the flight.

As far as the quote in the article stating that the pilot doesn't tell the passengers the truth about what's going on if something goes wrong, I'm guessing his name must be Captain Obvious. Anyone with an ounce of sense should know that already. I'm no frequent flyer, but my general rule of thumb if something seems off is to watch the flight attendants. If they're still up and doing regular service tasks, I figure everything must be okay.
 
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