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(People Magazine)   MT Judge: In retrospect I probably shouldn't have said a 14-year old rape victim who killed herself was "as much in control" of the situation as her rapist teacher, and probably should have given him more than 30 days in jail. Sorry, my bad   (people.com) divider line 184
    More: Followup, Billings Gazette, Cherice Moralez, Stacey Rambold, civil cases, Scott Baugh, rape victim  
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2013-08-29 10:10:16 AM  
Not to worry, judge, they'll all let you know how they feel about you in the next election.  Unless of course someone uncovers evidence of bribery prior to that.
 
2013-08-29 10:23:00 AM  
He actually still stands by his 30 days punishment


He hasn't thrown that out yet
 
2013-08-29 10:26:11 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Not to worry, judge, they'll all let you know how they feel about you in the next election.  Unless of course someone uncovers evidence of bribery prior to that.


No shiat.  How hard can it be to bribe a judge in Montana, after all?
 
2013-08-29 10:28:23 AM  
That judge is a farking idiot. The whole outcome sucks period. Damn...I don't know why but that whole article made me really, really sad. I feel for the victim's mother. Sad.
 
2013-08-29 10:37:54 AM  
It's entirely possible that the judge realized that the girl's violent death at her own hands makes it very likely she'll be returning as a revanant who will haunt and torment her former teacher without mercy until he also kills himself. What's the point in jail time when you have that sort of punishment awaiting you?
 
2013-08-29 10:40:50 AM  

Pocket Ninja: It's entirely possible that the judge realized that the girl's violent death at her own hands makes it very likely she'll be returning as a revanant who will haunt and torment her former teacher without mercy until he also kills himself. What's the point in jail time when you have that sort of punishment awaiting you?


Remind me to never piss you off.
 
2013-08-29 10:55:32 AM  
Dear Pocket Ninja,

PainInTheASP said you were a bad, bad person.

Signed,

Anonymous


Speaking of bad, bad people.  The judge. He is one.  Hopefully karma finds its way over to him.
 
2013-08-29 10:58:42 AM  
Thanks for the hindsight, Judge Humbert.
 
2013-08-29 10:59:09 AM  
asshole of the year
 
2013-08-29 10:59:32 AM  
Aren't there state and federal guidelines that  judge cannot exceed on either side?  Isn't that why half of america has done time for weed?

/Seriously.  Get your Law GEDs out, y'all.
 
2013-08-29 11:00:12 AM  
Howling despair is too good for either the rapist or the judge.
 
2013-08-29 11:00:24 AM  
At least there is a 15-year hitch waiting on the rapist to slip up.  Let's see: he has no job and no career, his wife left him and no doubt will get just about everything in the divorce settlement, and he's got to be a pariah in a fairly large swath of land.  No money, few options... brushes with the law loom large in this guy's future.

And, as suspended sentences are designed to kick in when you actively refute the claim that you're a "low risk to re-offend," he should eventually get some legal comeuppance.
 
2013-08-29 11:00:51 AM  
pocket ninja thinks he's funny, but one of these days he's going to write a post so funny that he himself is not able to click "add comment" without first accidentally clicking on preview. he'll be stuck forever in a loop--unable to create a fark thread a' la "my balls are stuck in a chair" and summon help, and unable to stop laughing because the post is too funny. then, knowing that it will never see the light of day, his laughs will turn to despair. despair i tell you!
 
2013-08-29 11:00:59 AM  
He's just taking a proud stand against mandatory minimums.
 
2013-08-29 11:01:06 AM  
 Judge Baugh, who never met our daughter, justified the paltry sentence saying she was "older than her chronological age,"

So the judge thinks she was hot.
 
2013-08-29 11:01:23 AM  
Someone should rape him....then see how he likes the guy just getting 30 days.
 
2013-08-29 11:03:12 AM  
Well it  obviously wasn't rape rape
 
2013-08-29 11:04:08 AM  
Well, all's well that ends well, right?
 
2013-08-29 11:04:42 AM  
Mulligan?
 
2013-08-29 11:04:45 AM  
Also extremely irritating in the Judge's commentary was the implication that the rapist was led astray by this sophisticated girl.  Umm... no.  He was her teacher, and just like every other kid in his class she was 14 +/- 1 years old.  He's a 20+ year veteran of teaching and so no doubt has heard many times all about the ethical prohibitions on fraternizing and certainly sexual encounters with students of ANY AGE.

He knew better, I don't care how interesting those loose, 14-year-old legs looked to his perverted eyes.
 
2013-08-29 11:05:19 AM  

vudukungfu: Judge Baugh, who never met our daughter, justified the paltry sentence saying she was "older than her chronological age,"

So the judge thinks she was hot.


**DING**
 
2013-08-29 11:05:28 AM  
wait so was it a legitimate rape? or just rape?

/judge should be disbarred
 
2013-08-29 11:05:38 AM  
I'm gonna go out on a limn here: The judge is a Christian.
 
2013-08-29 11:07:27 AM  
I've kinda lost track. Should be consulting the grid to determine my outrage, or is this actual forcible legitimate republican rape-rape?
 
2013-08-29 11:08:04 AM  

cman: He actually still stands by his 30 days punishment


He hasn't thrown that out yet


To be fair, if it was a male student and female teacher 30 days would be on the heavy side of the punishments usually received.
 
2013-08-29 11:08:23 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: wait so was it a legitimate rape? or just rape?

/judge should be disbarred


At the very least there should be an investigation into it.
 
2013-08-29 11:08:38 AM  
Given his thoughts on the abilities of a freshman in high school to control a grown adult, I don't think he is qualified to judge a BBQ contest. Ribs are really what you should focus on. It comes down to the rub and the juiciness of the meat. The rub should be sweet and slightly spicy (because people are pansies) and avoiding saltiness. Unless the contest is about sauce in particular, you should avoid even considering sauce. It is way to often used to mask flaws in the meat itself. Beware anyone who tries to sell their bbq with a famous sauce as a reason their bbq is best.
 
2013-08-29 11:08:47 AM  
Sounds like the judge was projecting the outcome of his fantasies.
 
2013-08-29 11:09:05 AM  
The ONLY reason he's even saying that now is because it became a national story and it turns out most people are disgusted with the idea that he would even try to hold a fourteen-year-old responsible for what happened with a forty-something-year-old who was also in a position of power.  And that it is absurd to claim a young teenager is "older than her chronological age".  And while, yes, statutory rape is not always a physically violent offense (and hence, why statutory rape is its own crime) the way he spoke so dismissively of said statutory rapes was disgusting.

He's not sorry for the sentence he handed out. He has no regrets, other than people are generally outraged and think he's a total farking idiot.  Especially that "people think he's an idiot part."  If it hadn't made the news, he'd never have reconsidered anything at all about what he did, and would probably hand out more slap on the wrist sentences for cases like this.
 
2013-08-29 11:09:55 AM  
Then, of course, there's what happens when a femal teacher is the rapist.  They get to plead down to a charge that's not even rape AND they get to do NO jail time at all.

I'm sure you all remember Miss Lafave.  She pleaded guilty in 2005 to Lewd or Lascivious Battery. The charges stemmed from a sexual encounter with a 14-year-old student in the summer of 2004. Lafave's plea bargain included no prison time, opting for 3 years house arrest due to safety concerns and 7 years probation.

Where's the outrage?
 
2013-08-29 11:10:03 AM  
starwrecked.com
No illegal drugs allowed?  Thirty days!
 
2013-08-29 11:11:28 AM  
Ugh. Judge is an idiot who should be kicked off the bench, but for his comments, not the sentencing decision. If you dig into the history of the case, there was a plea deal since the girl died before trial and the state would have had a difficult time proving the charges. That plea deal required this guy to attend counseling and treatment, and he was doing that until he got kicked out for (i) visiting his relatives, who happened to include children; and (ii) having sex (with an adult) without telling the counselor. The judge decided that those two violations didn't really warrant a 20 year sentence.
 
2013-08-29 11:12:42 AM  

debug: Then, of course, there's what happens when a femal teacher is the rapist.  They get to plead down to a charge that's not even rape AND they get to do NO jail time at all.

I'm sure you all remember Miss Lafave.  She pleaded guilty in 2005 to Lewd or Lascivious Battery. The charges stemmed from a sexual encounter with a 14-year-old student in the summer of 2004. Lafave's plea bargain included no prison time, opting for 3 years house arrest due to safety concerns and 7 years probation.

Where's the outrage?


You seem outraged enough for everyone.
 
2013-08-29 11:13:44 AM  

cman: He actually still stands by his 30 days punishment


He hasn't thrown that out yet


Exactly. He only "apologized" for saying out loud what he was thinking. Too bad the girl can't defend herself, since she committed suicide 2 years later. Because, you know, she was SUCH an adult...

Montanans are pretty farking pissed over this. It isn't going to die down quickly.
 
2013-08-29 11:14:15 AM  
I love this state. I'm ashamed this happened in my state. Unbelievable.
 
2013-08-29 11:14:21 AM  
Kinda hard to threaten this guy with a stiffer sentence when the primary witness is dead.
 
2013-08-29 11:14:58 AM  

proteus_b: pocket ninja thinks he's funny,


You could have just stopped there
 
2013-08-29 11:15:51 AM  
He knows to you she may not look old, and hopes the rape statement about her ain't too bold, but here comes the judge, here comes the judge, here comes the judge...
 
2013-08-29 11:15:56 AM  
FTA: The case involves a 54-year-old former teacher who raped the teen, who later committed suicide.

Not having followed this case, I initially had trouble determining whether the teen or the rapist was the person who had committed suicide.

Grammar. Clarity.
 
2013-08-29 11:16:26 AM  
For those who didn't read the article:
She killed herself four years after the statutory rape took place.

And YES, I think this guy is a sleaze who should see more jail time, but the way this has been reported on makes it sound like he grabbed a little girl off the street, forcibly raped her, and then she killed herself that night and THEN he only got 30 days.
 
2013-08-29 11:16:51 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: wait so was it a legitimate rape?


Made legitimate by the victim being "older than her chronological age"
//when is this she was asking for it shiat gonna stop?
 
2013-08-29 11:17:48 AM  

debug: Then, of course, there's what happens when a femal teacher is the rapist.  They get to plead down to a charge that's not even rape AND they get to do NO jail time at all.

I'm sure you all remember Miss Lafave.  She pleaded guilty in 2005 to Lewd or Lascivious Battery. The charges stemmed from a sexual encounter with a 14-year-old student in the summer of 2004. Lafave's plea bargain included no prison time, opting for 3 years house arrest due to safety concerns and 7 years probation.

Where's the outrage?


You sound like an MRA.

The important thing is to stay angry. Forever.
 
2013-08-29 11:18:15 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: Dear Pocket Ninja,

PainInTheASP said you were a bad, bad person.


The worst part is he could be in your pocket RIGHT NOW and you'd never know until it was too late.
 
2013-08-29 11:18:59 AM  
His car was warm and dry.
 
2013-08-29 11:19:49 AM  

Pr1nc3ss: That judge is a farking idiot. The whole outcome sucks period. Damn...I don't know why but that whole article made me really, really sad. I feel for the victim's mother. Sad.


dealbreaker.com
The judge is gonna have to plead ignorance on this thing.
 
2013-08-29 11:20:18 AM  
wow, that judge is a idiot. Doubt he'll ever be reelected
 
2013-08-29 11:21:42 AM  
Just to play devil's advocate, but the argument can be made that the judge's 30 day sentence is appropriate given what was actually before him. It was the prosecution that originally struck a plea deal that included zero jail time. Obviously the state didn't feel they had a strong enough case to get anything more. It's not the judge's job to play gotcha for the prosecution. What was brought before the judge was a defendant who had violated a plea deal that originally didn't involve jail time, and the violations themselves didn't involve any criminal activity. Under such a situation, the sentence he gave out can be seen to make sense. If anything, people should be asking the prosecution why the defendant was given a plea deal involving no jail time in the first place. You can't fault the judge for refusing to punish someone for a crime the state didn't think they could prove when they had a chance.
 
2013-08-29 11:22:38 AM  

debug: Then, of course, there's what happens when a femal teacher is the rapist.  They get to plead down to a charge that's not even rape AND they get to do NO jail time at all.

I'm sure you all remember Miss Lafave.  She pleaded guilty in 2005 to Lewd or Lascivious Battery. The charges stemmed from a sexual encounter with a 14-year-old student in the summer of 2004. Lafave's plea bargain included no prison time, opting for 3 years house arrest due to safety concerns and 7 years probation.

Where's the outrage?


There was lots of outrage over that.
 
2013-08-29 11:22:43 AM  
Teen rape.  There's always a solution.
memedepot.com
 
2013-08-29 11:22:54 AM  

debug: Then, of course, there's what happens when a femal teacher is the rapist.  They get to plead down to a charge that's not even rape AND they get to do NO jail time at all.

I'm sure you all remember Miss Lafave.  She pleaded guilty in 2005 to Lewd or Lascivious Battery. The charges stemmed from a sexual encounter with a 14-year-old student in the summer of 2004. Lafave's plea bargain included no prison time, opting for 3 years house arrest due to safety concerns and 7 years probation.

Where's the outrage?


Did her victim kill himself?

/Serious question.
 
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