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(Salon)   Bill Clinton's "harder to vote than to buy an assault weapon" line was a nice soundbite. In many states it's also true   (salon.com ) divider line
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2013-08-29 10:16:42 AM  
I guess the only solution is to tie voter registration with gun registration. Everyone is armed, everyone votes. I'm sure that will calm things down a mite, and keep the NRA happy, right?
 
2013-08-29 10:23:27 AM  
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"There's no constimatutional amendament to vote, libtard.  Study it out."
 
2013-08-29 10:25:25 AM  
The hell it is.
 
2013-08-29 10:27:09 AM  
Well, duh. Elections are only on certain days. Most gun stores are open all year round.
 
2013-08-29 10:57:23 AM  
GUNS AND VOTES FOR EVERYONE!

Aaron 2016
 
2013-08-29 10:57:59 AM  
Well, 2020.

Stupid age restricting Constitution.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-29 10:59:01 AM  

doglover: The hell it is.


You don't have to register to buy a gun.  Or be a US citizen even.
 
2013-08-29 11:00:39 AM  

Nabb1: Well, duh. Elections are only on certain days. Most gun stores are open all year round.


I know you were being sarcastic, but it wouldn't surprise me if there were people that actually think this.
 
2013-08-29 11:01:17 AM  
You can pretty much do both at the same time in states where a concealed carry permit is also valid voter ID
 
2013-08-29 11:09:54 AM  

doglover: The hell it is.


Sure it is. In Florida (of all places) you have to have a photo ID to get a voter ID and show either one to vote. On the way home from voting, you can stroll into a gun show and buy an AK with nothing but cash.
 
2013-08-29 11:12:40 AM  

hubiestubert: I guess the only solution is to tie voter registration with gun registration. Everyone is armed, everyone votes. I'm sure that will calm things down a mite, and keep the NRA happy, right?


if Republicans thought there was voter intimidation in 2012, wait until the black panthers are armed at the voting booth.
 
2013-08-29 11:17:45 AM  

Mugato: doglover: The hell it is.

Sure it is. In Florida (of all places) you have to have a photo ID to get a voter ID and show either one to vote. On the way home from voting, you can stroll into a gun show and buy an AK with nothing but cash.


I'm not convinced, even in Florida, you can buy an assault rifle legally without paperwork. Automatic weapons have been highly regulated since the 80's.
 
2013-08-29 11:24:32 AM  

doglover: I'm not convinced, even in Florida, you can buy an assault rifle legally without paperwork. Automatic weapons have been highly regulated since the 80's.


I've been to plenty of gun shows as a teen/early 20s (I had a gun nut phase) and be convinced. My crazy ass uncle even gave me a gun show AK-47 for my 15th birthday (mom made me give it back).

As it is now, buying a gun at a gun show is the same as buying a gun from a friend or relative. So Clinton's statement is hardly a lie or even hyperbole.

But why are we still listening to Clinton again? I mean I liked him as a President but he should be relaxing on an island somewhere, balls deep in some chubby teenager.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-29 11:24:51 AM  

doglover: I'm not convinced, even in Florida, you can buy an assault rifle legally without paperwork. Automatic weapons have been highly regulated since the 80's.


Yes, but most assault rifles are semi-auto.  That NRA nonsense that assault rifles that have their full auto capability disabled somehow stop being assault rifles is silly.
 
2013-08-29 11:25:00 AM  

doglover: I'm not convinced, even in Florida, you can buy an assault rifle legally without paperwork. Automatic weapons have been highly regulated since the 80's.


Internet sales are not regulated.

In that video they buy handguns, semi-auto assault rifles, and the .50 cal sniper rifle without any paperwork.
 
2013-08-29 11:33:46 AM  

nmrsnr: doglover: I'm not convinced, even in Florida, you can buy an assault rifle legally without paperwork. Automatic weapons have been highly regulated since the 80's.

Internet sales are not regulated.

In that video they buy handguns, semi-auto assault rifles, and the .50 cal sniper rifle without any paperwork.


If they cross state lines, yes they are regulated, and if they don't ship it to an FFL, that's a felony.  A particularly stupid felony, because it's a no-brainer for the ATF to prosecute if they had anyone who knew how to run a computer.

If it's within a state, and you live in a freer state than mine, then it's no different that putting an ad in a newspaper or tacking it up on a bulletin board.

The exact same laws apply towards sales on the internet that apply to sales off the internet.  Period.
 
2013-08-29 11:34:56 AM  

hubiestubert: Everyone is armed, everyone votes.


I can get behind this idea.
 
2013-08-29 11:35:33 AM  

dittybopper: nmrsnr: doglover: I'm not convinced, even in Florida, you can buy an assault rifle legally without paperwork. Automatic weapons have been highly regulated since the 80's.

Internet sales are not regulated.

In that video they buy handguns, semi-auto assault rifles, and the .50 cal sniper rifle without any paperwork.

If they cross state lines, yes they are regulated, and if they don't ship it to an FFL, that's a felony.  A particularly stupid felony, because it's a no-brainer for the ATF to prosecute if they had anyone who knew how to run a computer.

If it's within a state, and you live in a freer state than mine, then it's no different that putting an ad in a newspaper or tacking it up on a bulletin board.

The exact same laws apply towards sales on the internet that apply to sales off the internet.  Period.


This does not refute the claim that it is easier to buy a gun than it is to vote.
 
2013-08-29 11:35:47 AM  

dittybopper: nmrsnr: doglover: I'm not convinced, even in Florida, you can buy an assault rifle legally without paperwork. Automatic weapons have been highly regulated since the 80's.

Internet sales are not regulated.

In that video they buy handguns, semi-auto assault rifles, and the .50 cal sniper rifle without any paperwork.

If they cross state lines, yes they are regulated, and if they don't ship it to an FFL, that's a felony.  A particularly stupid felony, because it's a no-brainer for the ATF to prosecute if they had anyone who knew how to run a computer.

If it's within a state, and you live in a freer state than mine, then it's no different that putting an ad in a newspaper or tacking it up on a bulletin board.

The exact same laws apply towards sales on the internet that apply to sales off the internet.  Period.


Wah, I'm sorry it's about as difficult to get an instrument of death as it is to express your opinion. Poor baby.
 
2013-08-29 11:35:52 AM  

vpb: doglover: I'm not convinced, even in Florida, you can buy an assault rifle legally without paperwork. Automatic weapons have been highly regulated since the 80's.

Yes, but most assault rifles are semi-auto.  That NRA nonsense that assault rifles that have their full auto capability disabled somehow stop being assault rifles is silly.


Right and the booth over from where you bought the semi is a guy who knows a guy who can make it an auto. That part of it might be illegal but simply buying a semi-auto assault weapon is easier than buying booze in some places.
 
2013-08-29 11:36:35 AM  
Guns is more important than voting cuz freedom
 
2013-08-29 11:37:19 AM  

vpb: Yes, but most assault rifles are semi-auto.  That NRA nonsense that assault rifles that have their full auto capability disabled somehow stop being assault rifles is silly.


By definition, an assault rifle is capable of fully automatic fire.  That's not the NRA definition, it's the US Military definition:

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See the part about "select fire" in the general definition of "assault rifle"?  That means capable of both semiautomatic and full automatic fire at the flip of a switch.
 
2013-08-29 11:38:47 AM  

Nabb1: Well, duh. Elections are only on certain days. Most gun stores are open all year round.


And I don't think a vote costs as much as a gun.
 
2013-08-29 11:41:09 AM  

jigger: Nabb1: Well, duh. Elections are only on certain days. Most gun stores are open all year round.

And I don't think a vote costs as much as a gun.


That's clearly a civil rights violation.  The poor are entitled to exercise their 2nd amendment rights as well.

Maybe the administration can start an Obamaguns program for low-income Americans.
 
2013-08-29 11:42:04 AM  
The bottom line is that any gun control measure like magazine size or showing ID is just closing the barn doors after the horses....or is it before the....fark, I forget the idiom but the cat is out of the thing now. Any of these useless pieces of legislation aren't going to stop people from killing people and are just going to give the gun nuts more "ammo" to cry that there are "gun grabbers" out there  who will eventually try to take our guns.

We're a nation of gun obsessed rednecks. Just accept it, because it's not going to change no matter how many laws are passed.
 
2013-08-29 11:42:24 AM  

nmrsnr: semi-auto assault rifles


Assault rifles are fully automatic. That's what assault rifle means.
 
2013-08-29 11:42:33 AM  

Felgraf: This does not refute the claim that it is easier to buy a gun than it is to vote.


Do you ever need to get FBI approval to vote?  You need to buy a new gun, or a used gun from a dealer.

Hell, in my state, as of now, I could walk in and vote under someone else's name, and all I have to do is forge their signature, which is right in front of me.

To purchase a firearm, I have to get a background check, or have a substitute (like a recent pistol permit).

In every state, it's likely harder to purchase a new gun (or used one from a dealer) than it is to vote.  You have to fill out the infamous Form 4473, which is more extensive than any voter registration form I've ever seen, *AND* you need to get a background check.

But since both voting and firearms ownership are fundamental rights in the United States, shouldn't we be making it easier for people to do both?
 
2013-08-29 11:42:44 AM  

Felgraf: This does not refute the claim that it is easier to buy a gun from a private individual than it is to vote in a federally regulated election.


Put some important distinctions in there for people that seem to be missing the bait and switch.  Try buying a gun from a licensed dealer (getting the feds involved to even the playing field) without an ID and tell us how that goes.
 
2013-08-29 11:43:06 AM  
Stupid libs, there's no such thing as an assault rifle.
 
2013-08-29 11:46:17 AM  
In other news: its easier to buy a thousand dollar sporting good from a specialty store than it is to get through government bureaucracy.

/The solution is more bureaucracy.
/its always more bureaucracy.
 
2013-08-29 11:47:55 AM  

dittybopper: Felgraf: This does not refute the claim that it is easier to buy a gun than it is to vote.

Do you ever need to get FBI approval to vote?  You need to buy a new gun, or a used gun from a dealer.


.......
 Gun show parking lot sale? Also I have never seen this kind of a line around a gun show or gun dealer.

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2013-08-29 11:47:56 AM  

Click Click D'oh: Felgraf: This does not refute the claim that it is easier to buy a gun from a private individual than it is to vote in a federally regulated election.

Put some important distinctions in there for people that seem to be missing the bait and switch.  Try buying a gun from a licensed dealer (getting the feds involved to even the playing field) without an ID and tell us how that goes.


Are licensed dealers the only place to buy guns? No, you say? Then Clinton's point stands. In many states, with private sales you can give a guy cash and walk away. No ID, no nothing. I have a problem with that, and so does 90% of America.
 
2013-08-29 11:49:22 AM  

sdd2000: Also I have never seen this kind of a line around a gun show or gun dealer.


So, you haven't been to a gun show any time since December of last year?
 
2013-08-29 11:49:30 AM  

Mugato: vpb: doglover: I'm not convinced, even in Florida, you can buy an assault rifle legally without paperwork. Automatic weapons have been highly regulated since the 80's.

Yes, but most assault rifles are semi-auto.  That NRA nonsense that assault rifles that have their full auto capability disabled somehow stop being assault rifles is silly.

Right and the booth over from where you bought the semi is a guy who knows a guy who can make it an auto. That part of it might be illegal but simply buying a semi-auto assault weapon is easier than buying booze in some places.


It is very easy to convert a semi-automatic weapon to fully-automatic.  I have known folks to do it by accident.  That's one of the reasons why there is a push to limit the capacity of ammo magazines, etc.
 
2013-08-29 11:50:51 AM  

Mr. Titanium: Mugato: vpb: doglover: I'm not convinced, even in Florida, you can buy an assault rifle legally without paperwork. Automatic weapons have been highly regulated since the 80's.

Yes, but most assault rifles are semi-auto.  That NRA nonsense that assault rifles that have their full auto capability disabled somehow stop being assault rifles is silly.

Right and the booth over from where you bought the semi is a guy who knows a guy who can make it an auto. That part of it might be illegal but simply buying a semi-auto assault weapon is easier than buying booze in some places.

It is very easy to convert a semi-automatic weapon to fully-automatic.  I have known folks to do it by accident.  That's one of the reasons why there is a push to limit the capacity of ammo magazines, etc.


Ok, I'll bite. How did this person you know accidentally convert their semi-automatic weapon into a fully automatic one?
 
2013-08-29 11:51:13 AM  
You should need valid photo Identification to do both.
 
2013-08-29 11:51:35 AM  

Mr. Titanium: Mugato: vpb: doglover: I'm not convinced, even in Florida, you can buy an assault rifle legally without paperwork. Automatic weapons have been highly regulated since the 80's.

Yes, but most assault rifles are semi-auto.  That NRA nonsense that assault rifles that have their full auto capability disabled somehow stop being assault rifles is silly.

Right and the booth over from where you bought the semi is a guy who knows a guy who can make it an auto. That part of it might be illegal but simply buying a semi-auto assault weapon is easier than buying booze in some places.

It is very easy to convert a semi-automatic weapon to fully-automatic.  I have known folks to do it by accident.  That's one of the reasons why there is a push to limit the capacity of ammo magazines, etc.


Yeah, it's a relatively cheap "novelty" kit you can buy in a lot of places. Or used to be, not sure of the legal status of those kits these days.
 
2013-08-29 11:55:18 AM  
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Actually, it's not true.
 
2013-08-29 11:55:31 AM  
waiting for the "you don't like scary black plastic"
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dittybopper: vpb: Yes, but most assault rifles are semi-auto.  That NRA nonsense that assault rifles that have their full auto capability disabled somehow stop being assault rifles is silly.

By definition, an assault rifle is capable of fully automatic fire.  That's not the NRA definition, it's the US Military definition:

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See the part about "select fire" in the general definition of "assault rifle"?  That means capable of both semiautomatic and full automatic fire at the flip of a switch.


gosh
so you are saying that there are some features on firearms that are deemed too dangerous for public use?????
or are you advocating that you need full auto fire or 3 round burst for those pesky targets & coyotes ?
 
2013-08-29 12:01:01 PM  

sdd2000:  Gun show parking lot sale? Also I have never seen this kind of a line around a gun show or gun dealer.

Looks like the parking lot of an Academy on Tuesday mornings a couple of months ago... when people literally were lining up overnight to try to be one of the people to get what ever came in on the truck over night.

cptjeff: Are licensed dealers the only place to buy guns? No, you say? Then Clinton's point stands


So, you really think it's a valid point to say that in some states you don't need an ID to buy guns, ergo guns are super easy to get... while at the same time saying that in some states you need an ID to vote, so it's super hard to vote?

How about we flip that?  Still using current realities.  In some states, even for a private transfer, you need an ID to purchase a gun, so guns are super hard to get.  Yet, in some states I can vote without an ID, so it's super easy to vote.  See how that works?

My statement is just as true as President Clintons.  Do you support my contention that it's easier to vote than it is to get a gun?  Or do you reject it because my selective inclusion of data chooses to use slightly different data than President Clinton did?
 
2013-08-29 12:01:34 PM  
Here's a compromise. On election if you bring a gun to the polling place you get a vote.

Sound fair?
 
2013-08-29 12:01:37 PM  
It's also easier to buy an assault weapon than to get a job.
 
2013-08-29 12:02:16 PM  

Aarontology: Mr. Titanium: Mugato: vpb: doglover: I'm not convinced, even in Florida, you can buy an assault rifle legally without paperwork. Automatic weapons have been highly regulated since the 80's.

Yes, but most assault rifles are semi-auto.  That NRA nonsense that assault rifles that have their full auto capability disabled somehow stop being assault rifles is silly.

Right and the booth over from where you bought the semi is a guy who knows a guy who can make it an auto. That part of it might be illegal but simply buying a semi-auto assault weapon is easier than buying booze in some places.

It is very easy to convert a semi-automatic weapon to fully-automatic.  I have known folks to do it by accident.  That's one of the reasons why there is a push to limit the capacity of ammo magazines, etc.

Yeah, it's a relatively cheap "novelty" kit you can buy in a lot of places. Or used to be, not sure of the legal status of those kits these days.


Are you talking about "Hellfire" triggers?  Because those are just another bump-fire system, and they're unreliable at best....

inner ted: so you are saying that there are some features on firearms that are deemed too dangerous for public use?????


It's legal to own fully-automatic weapons in this country, if you undergo a special background check and notify your local Chief Law Enforcement Officer.  Your ignorance has highlighted something though.  Since the 30s, all automatic weapons had to undergo NFA registration ($200 background check and said background check).  They were not used in crimes.  At all.  Then in the 80s, a gun control cabal in the House of Representatives pushed through the Hughes Amendment, despite not having the votes, closing the registry, and outlawing machine guns.

So when gun owners oppose registration, it's not out of paranoia....
 
2013-08-29 12:03:59 PM  

doglover: I'm not convinced, even in Florida, you can buy an assault rifle legally without paperwork


Is this one of those "I don't care what the facts are, It doesn't "feel" right, so I don't believe it" arguments?

Sure looks like it is...
 
2013-08-29 12:04:14 PM  

Fark It: sdd2000: Also I have never seen this kind of a line around a gun show or gun dealer.

So, you haven't been to a gun show any time since December of last year?


I have but did not need to wait 7 hours as they did in Florida, a 30 minute wait might be the high side.
 
2013-08-29 12:05:58 PM  
I don't care about the guns.  I do care about the voting.  And if someone tries to stop you from legally voting, you'll need the guns.
 
2013-08-29 12:07:32 PM  

Mr. Titanium: It is very easy to convert a semi-automatic weapon to fully-automatic. I have known folks to do it by accident.


If you've "accidentally" converted a semi-automatic firearm to fully automatic, you've most likely broken it by wearing out the sear or disconnect.  It is no longer a safe and functional firearm and will most likely dump the whole magazine when the trigger is pulled.  Converting a semi to full and retaining the ability to control it is a much harder process that usually involves the installation of missing parts, drilling new pin holes or removing significant amounts of metal from the receiver that were intentionally left in by the manufacturer to keep the firearm from being converted.

Aarontology: Yeah, it's a relatively cheap "novelty" kit you can buy in a lot of places.


Most of those "kits" were useless for actually converting a firearm.

Aarontology: Or used to be, not sure of the legal status of those kits these days.


100% illegal without NFA stamp.
 
2013-08-29 12:08:31 PM  
There is one, and only one law regarding purchasing a weapon in Montana: You can't be (visibly) drunk or under the influence of a banned substance while purchasing.

No permit, no background check required. Nothing. Just be over 14, and you can buy anonymously.

Voting most definitely requires more work.
 
2013-08-29 12:08:47 PM  

Fark It: Are you talking about "Hellfire" triggers? Because those are just another bump-fire system, and they're unreliable at best....


I can't remember exactly what it was, but it involved replacing a couple of parts in the trigger, like the firing pin or something.

It's been a while, so take that for what it's worth.
 
2013-08-29 12:08:52 PM  

Aarontology: GUNS AND VOTES FOR EVERYONE!

Aaron 2016


I'm voting for Zardoz.
 
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