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(Reason Magazine)   First they came for stinky cigarettes. I did not like the stink, so I said nothing. Then they came for e-cigarettes. I don't care because...they look stupid anyway   (reason.com) divider line 45
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2013-08-29 08:36:11 AM  
9 votes:
I now realize I smoke for simply one reason, and that is spite. I hate you non-smokers with all of my little black farking heart, you obnoxious, self-righteous, whining little farks, my biggest fear, if I quit smoking, is that I'll become one of you.

I have something to tell you non-smokers, and this is for you and you only, because I know for a fact that you don't know this. And I feel it's my duty to pass on information at all times, so that we can all learn, evolve, and get the fark off this planet. Non-smokers, this is for you and you only, ready? Non-smokers die every day. Sleep tight...
2013-08-29 08:52:47 AM  
8 votes:
I am totally pro e-sigs.  The number one reason why is because people can use them at their desks and are no longer running out every 20 mins for another "break".  They don't smell. They are convenient. They increase the productivity of smokers on the job, and you know what? fark you puritan pricks. You take the fun out of everything.

/former smoker
2013-08-29 08:53:29 AM  
6 votes:
Better ban smoke machines at concerts and magic shows too. Since they're the exact same stuff.
2013-08-29 08:46:43 AM  
4 votes:
This kind of BS makes me want to purchase and use an ecig.

I have seen this exact zero-tolerance crap from non-smokers and former smokers acting disgusted and douchey when they spot someone indoors using one.

Makes me want to kneecap em.

My absolute favorite is watching an obese non-smoker harping about this stuff.

Really? You think you should tell me how to live porky?

Put down the donuts and then we'll talk.
2013-08-29 08:44:32 AM  
4 votes:

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: TheGreatGazoo: I used to work at a cigarette factory (I know what's in them ;-) and hate being around smokers.

But I couldn't give a flip if someone is using an e-cigarette next to me unless it is some nasty flavor.

And even then, banning them would be akin to banning body odor.


Or how about people who pour on ridiculous amounts of rank-smelling perfume/cologne.  Ironically, the most expensive brands are also the most stanky.

/Michael Bloomberg, go fornicate yourself!
2013-08-30 12:55:29 AM  
3 votes:

BuckTurgidson: I'll say it again:

Someone smoking an "e-cigarette" is as pathetic as someone smoking through their trach-hole.

/"It's time we take our FREEDOM back!" LOL


Say it all you want. No one gives a shiat.
2013-08-29 10:01:03 AM  
3 votes:

EngineerAU: While not all smokers were/are jerks, smoking culture in general was one of exceptionalism.


How did you arrive at this conclusion? Smoking was allowed nearly anywhere, so people smoked. How is that an attitude of "exceptionalism?" If a guy lights a cigarette in a hospital lobby or restaurant knowing that it's not allowed, yes that is douchey. But every smoker I know quietly steps outside to indulge. The only rotten behavior I see these days is from self-righteous pricks who feign an exaggerated coughing fit when you're having a cigarette OUTSIDE.
2013-08-29 09:15:17 AM  
3 votes:

AngryDragon: The government will step in to further regulate them.  Since I moved to en E-Cig from a pack a day habit they're not getting their $5 a day in sweet sin tax money from me anymore.


I smoked for 35 years, since receiving my "VAPORIZER", two weeks ago I have not bought any cigarettes, My wife also got one last week. Thats a minimum of $10. a day savings.  But for every pack of cigarettes not sold, the state loses money, of course they will try to ban them, these things make quiting the cancer sticks too easy and that is costing the government money, we will not have that, citizen!
2013-08-29 09:11:47 AM  
3 votes:
Wake me up when the e-cig smokers start flipping burning pieces of trash on the ground and out of car windows twenty times a day.
2013-08-29 08:35:32 AM  
3 votes:
please go after the phones next.  Those are a bigger nuisance than cigarettes.

If I can't smoke on the train then you don't get to yell in my ear from the seat behind me.
2013-08-29 01:23:56 PM  
2 votes:
Anyone else notice that it is Democrat-dominated cities and states that are crusading against E-cigarettes?

So, try to convince me that, fundamentally, when it comes to government domination of private life, just how are Democrats actually different from Republicans? All I can see is that they go full retard fascist on different issues, but they're both happy to go full retard fascist at the drop of a hat.
2013-08-29 10:01:16 AM  
2 votes:
I'm just gonna step in here and suggest not listening to anyone that recommends njoy, Blu Cig, or any other e-cig that is designed to look like an actual cigarette. Because quite clearly they don't know what they are talking about.

Also blu Cig is owned by big tobacco.
2013-08-29 09:31:28 AM  
2 votes:
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals."

― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)


shanrick: [imageshack.us image 640x480]


The young man in the photo died of an aneurysm shortly afterwards
2013-08-29 09:04:49 AM  
2 votes:

LandOfChocolate: E-cigarettes use replaceable cartridges in which nicotine or flavors are heated, vaporized, and inhaled
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In fact, the inability to show proof of harm was one of the reasons the Food and Drug Administration's 2010 bid to control e-cigarettes as a "drug-delivery device"

I guess proof of harm is necessary to legally classify them that way but the sole purpose of the device is to deliver the drug, nicotine.  I'm not sure what the big deal is here.


I'd imagine its because nicotine is legal. If they were to classify everything that allows you to consume legal, non-prescription drugs in a non-harmful manner as such, every coffee cup in the country would have to be labeled a "drug delivery device."
2013-08-29 08:57:01 AM  
2 votes:
Perfume swimmers are more offensive than just about anyone else on the planet with the exception of flatulent homeless people sitting next to you on the bus.
2013-08-29 08:51:07 AM  
2 votes:
The government will step in to further regulate them.  Since I moved to en E-Cig from a pack a day habit they're not getting their $5 a day in sweet sin tax money from me anymore.
2013-08-29 08:50:44 AM  
2 votes:
Was at open mic night in a crowded little place and a woman two feet away pulled out her e-cig.  I noticed absolutely nothing at all.  I can see if they added a lot of strange scents as options, then I might be a bit annoyed.

On the other hand, I was at a play, and the woman two rows behind me walked in and I nearly choked on the cloud of perfume, she must have applied half a bottle as she left her car.  It took about ten minutes to get used to the stench.

Maybe just be courteous about what scents you inflict on others?  Especially at restaurants where you really want to experience your food scent instead of eau de old lady.
2013-08-29 08:45:30 AM  
2 votes:

Elegy: I now realize I smoke for simply one reason, and that is spite. I hate you non-smokers with all of my little black farking heart, you obnoxious, self-righteous, whining little farks, my biggest fear, if I quit smoking, is that I'll become one of you.

I have something to tell you non-smokers, and this is for you and you only, because I know for a fact that you don't know this. And I feel it's my duty to pass on information at all times, so that we can all learn, evolve, and get the fark off this planet. Non-smokers, this is for you and you only, ready? Non-smokers die every day. Sleep tight...


Bill Hicks was a funny man, I was a smoker when I first saw him. I'm glad I didn't turn into a self righteous anti-smoker when I quit.

e-cigarettes made quitting easy and almost incidental.
2013-08-30 01:03:25 AM  
1 votes:

BuckTurgidson: I'll say it again:

Someone smoking an "e-cigarette" is as pathetic as someone smoking through their trach-hole.

/"It's time we take our FREEDOM back!" LOL


It's funny, before I tried one I thought the same thing. After I started using one, it's amazing the difference in reactions you get out in public versus the reactions you get as a smoker. They are conversation starters and most people are extremely positive about them. In my town, I see two or three people using an ecig for every cigarette smoker I see. They're getting more and more popular, especially since the local university campus banned smoking on campus, but exempts vaping except in classrooms where the profs specifically forbid them. It's a brave new world man, with shiny new nicotine delivery devices. Deal with it.
2013-08-29 01:07:14 PM  
1 votes:

Pangea: ChaosStar: So you're telling me that despite enacting "common sense regulation" and "reasonable restrictions" the anti-smoking groups continue to attack people's freedoms?
Huh, well, I'm sure the same thing won't happen with gun control right?
Right...?
Anyone....?

That comparison would be valid if gun owners only shot themselves, and if the resulting second-hand lead caused people around them to die at a slower rate. Unless you're also in denial that second-hand smoke can cause cancer.


I don't think you know what valid means.
No one is comparing the outcome of using either product, I merely point out that anti-smoking advocates, despite making it all but impossible to smoke , have not stopped with their regulations and bans. Why should I expect anti-firearm people to be any different?
I know, you're being deliberately obtuse.
2013-08-29 12:39:35 PM  
1 votes:
So you're telling me that despite enacting "common sense regulation" and "reasonable restrictions" the anti-smoking groups continue to attack people's freedoms?
Huh, well, I'm sure the same thing won't happen with gun control right?
Right...?
Anyone....?
2013-08-29 10:54:22 AM  
1 votes:
So,

How long before the tax man clamps down on the ingredients and devices?

You don't think the govt is just going to let all those revenues go up in vapor do you?

No, I'm not sure what the justification will be.  Probably something along the lines of, "Fark you - that's why."
2013-08-29 10:33:14 AM  
1 votes:

litmusdragon: OK guys use your powers of common sense.  E-cigs are safer than cigarettes, in the sense that nicotine vapor is free of the thousands of carcinogens that are produced when you smoke tobacco, therefore there is a reasonable expectation that they won't give you cancer.  E-cigs are the same as cigarettes in that they deliver the same "rush" as cigarettes due to the nicotine, as in constriction of the blood vessels and increased heart rate, both of which tax your circulatory system causing the stroke and heart attack risks associated with cigarette use.  So yes, E-cigarettes are safer than cigarettes, and people should use them over actual cigarettes.  Safe, though?  Don't kid yourself.


Yeah.  I had the same sort of complaints when someone told me that Di-hydrogen-monoxide was "safe."
2013-08-29 10:26:59 AM  
1 votes:

Elegy: Cold_Sassy: Do any present e-cig users recommend a particular brand of e-cig?  I tried NJOY brand, they are O.K. but hard to hit (takes a great deal of effort for nicotine "delivery") They also have a slightly soapy taste.

Some of the other benfits of e-cigs and that your house/car/self don't smell, no ashes mess - I'm on board, just wish I could find a more satisfying brand.

Seconding that request for information. I want a nice vape with a couple of rechargeable batteries, not the cheap disposables you see at the gas station.

Most importantly though, it needs carts made in America that have a farking ingredient list, as I'd prefer to to vaporize anything unknown thats made in China...


You can make your own liquid and buy refillable cartridges very easily seeing as there's only four basic and easily purchased ingredients.
2013-08-29 10:21:59 AM  
1 votes:

AngryDragon: Cold_Sassy: Do any present e-cig users recommend a particular brand of e-cig?  I tried NJOY brand, they are O.K. but hard to hit (takes a great deal of effort for nicotine "delivery") They also have a slightly soapy taste.

Some of the other benfits of e-cigs and that your house/car/self don't smell, no ashes mess - I'm on board, just wish I could find a more satisfying brand.

Blu.  Best I've tried hands down.


Blu is a good 510 type but is fairly pricey (15$ per 5 pack of cartridges) . If you plan on vaping long term I would look into an ego twist or something similar. For the same price of the Blu starter kit (60$) you can get yourself a very nice ego setup with a fark load of liquid/juice. Also I've had more than one bum cartridge in a Blu pack store usually takes them back, but still annoying and Blu just basically said "oh sorry kthanksbye" when I called them. I will say that the Blu tobacco flavor is nice. Im currently using a Ego EVOD (bottom coil) atomizer with two 950ohm batteries purchased from fasttech for 18$ shipped from china (takes about a week weekandahalf).
2013-08-29 09:58:58 AM  
1 votes:
2013-08-29 09:52:44 AM  
1 votes:

JDJoeE: Question for the e-cig users:
I was in the Philly airport and this guy whipped out an ecig and kept taking hits from it.  Every time he took a hit a large (2') cloud of smoke-like substance would waft up from him.  Whats in that cloud?


The same thing that comes from a fog machine, plus traces of food-grade flavorings and whatever nicotine was not absorbed by his lungs.
2013-08-29 09:47:14 AM  
1 votes:

Elegy: I now realize I smoke for simply one reason, and that is spite. I hate you non-smokers with all of my little black farking heart, you obnoxious, self-righteous, whining little farks, my biggest fear, if I quit smoking, is that I'll become one of you.

I have something to tell you non-smokers, and this is for you and you only, because I know for a fact that you don't know this. And I feel it's my duty to pass on information at all times, so that we can all learn, evolve, and get the fark off this planet. Non-smokers, this is for you and you only, ready? Non-smokers die every day. Sleep tight...


When smokers quit lighting up wherever the fark they please without bothering to see if anyone objects first, when I quit seeing 50 cigarette butts on the ground for any two other identical pieces of litter, and 3 when smokers quit whining and crying like little girls every time someone says that they don't have the "right" to stink up the clothes and hair of random strangers as well as add carcinogenic particles to their lungs, then maybe you'll have a point.

Show some farking respect for the rest of the planet if you want any in return. Smokers are the most self centered, entitled shiatbags on the planet.

Ecigs? I don't care, at least until you assholes start throwing your waste on the ground all over the place. Seriously, learn to pick up after yourselves. Lazy farks.
2013-08-29 09:43:41 AM  
1 votes:

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: So is a beer keg a "drug delivery device"?


CSB:  I went down to the head shop the other day to pick up a new pint glass due to...uh...someone guy I met dropping it accidentally when he got dizzy from standing up too fast...and while I was looking at the pint glasses and asking about some of the specs, the dude behind the counter said they were apple juice tumblers and if I kept calling them pint glasses I would need to leave the store.  farking war on beer.  It comes from a plant that grows in the dirt for cripes sake!
2013-08-29 09:30:23 AM  
1 votes:

Cold_Sassy: Do any present e-cig users recommend a particular brand of e-cig?  I tried NJOY brand, they are O.K. but hard to hit (takes a great deal of effort for nicotine "delivery") They also have a slightly soapy taste.

Some of the other benfits of e-cigs and that your house/car/self don't smell, no ashes mess - I'm on board, just wish I could find a more satisfying brand.


Get yourself a couple of eGo Twist or Vision Spinner batteries with a charger, a couple of Kanger EVod tanks (with some spare replaceable atomizer heads), and some well made USA juice.
2013-08-29 09:28:01 AM  
1 votes:

LandOfChocolate: Debeo Summa Credo: Quiet cars? Like a non-smoking section of a restaurant? Intrigued.

Yup.  Amtrak has them and people respect them from what I have observed.


So does metro north. My point is having a non-smoking section wasn't good enough for the anti smoking whiners, why should it be good enough for the anti cell phone whiners?
2013-08-29 09:27:36 AM  
1 votes:

Elegy: Seconding that request for information. I want a nice vape with a couple of rechargeable batteries, not the cheap disposables you see at the gas station.


You can buy your own mixings, and find lots of how to videos on youtube. I spent 35 bucks and made 500ML of some delicious juice.

It would cost around 250.00 to buy that much.
2013-08-29 09:27:29 AM  
1 votes:

vartian: This time, the buttinskys are trying to douse the dreaded e-cigarette, a device that supplies a safe nicotine hit to the user without bothering or endangering anybody else.

This is a stretch...we don't know if they are safe, but they probably aren't any worse.


Right now, the mix I'm vaping contains vegetable glycerine (safe), flavoring (safe) and nicotine (no less safe than caffeine).

Now, I suppose I could find a traditional cigarette around here, run it over to a lab, and spend a few days trying to figure out what's in the damn thing.  I'd probably start and end with the tar and be confident that e-cigs are safer and just ignore the thousand or so other additives in regular cigarettes.
2013-08-29 09:25:11 AM  
1 votes:

Elegy: Cold_Sassy: Do any present e-cig users recommend a particular brand of e-cig?  I tried NJOY brand, they are O.K. but hard to hit (takes a great deal of effort for nicotine "delivery") They also have a slightly soapy taste.

Some of the other benfits of e-cigs and that your house/car/self don't smell, no ashes mess - I'm on board, just wish I could find a more satisfying brand.

Seconding that request for information. I want a nice vape with a couple of rechargeable batteries, not the cheap disposables you see at the gas station.

Most importantly though, it needs carts made in America that have a farking ingredient list, as I'd prefer to to vaporize anything unknown thats made in China...


A good starting point is an ego battery setup with a Kanger t3s clearomizer. It's a relatively cheap way to get set up rechargeable and refillable. There are plenty of liquid manufacturers in the US. I get mine from The Vapor Room, which makes it down the block from my office. I've also used Johnson Creek in the past, who are very good.
2013-08-29 09:22:03 AM  
1 votes:

James!: I think Ecigs would have a better time if they dropped the association with cigarettes all together.  Make them look more like asthma inhalers than cigarettes and see if anyone gives a shiat.


Some have tried that, but there is the habit association with putting a cig like item to the mouth and they didn't sell as well.
2013-08-29 09:18:19 AM  
1 votes:
I think Ecigs would have a better time if they dropped the association with cigarettes all together.  Make them look more like asthma inhalers than cigarettes and see if anyone gives a shiat.
2013-08-29 09:12:40 AM  
1 votes:
Do any present e-cig users recommend a particular brand of e-cig?  I tried NJOY brand, they are O.K. but hard to hit (takes a great deal of effort for nicotine "delivery") They also have a slightly soapy taste.

Some of the other benfits of e-cigs and that your house/car/self don't smell, no ashes mess - I'm on board, just wish I could find a more satisfying brand.
2013-08-29 09:07:01 AM  
1 votes:

Elegy: And the fact that quitting was easy with an e-cig gives me hope, as I'm planning on moving to an e-cig soon...


My wife smoked for most of her life, tried to quit every possible way (seriously... everything)... the e-cig worked overnight.
2013-08-29 09:03:46 AM  
1 votes:

Slaxl: Elegy: I now realize I smoke for simply one reason, and that is spite. I hate you non-smokers with all of my little black farking heart, you obnoxious, self-righteous, whining little farks, my biggest fear, if I quit smoking, is that I'll become one of you.

I have something to tell you non-smokers, and this is for you and you only, because I know for a fact that you don't know this. And I feel it's my duty to pass on information at all times, so that we can all learn, evolve, and get the fark off this planet. Non-smokers, this is for you and you only, ready? Non-smokers die every day. Sleep tight...

Bill Hicks was a funny man, I was a smoker when I first saw him. I'm glad I didn't turn into a self righteous anti-smoker when I quit.

e-cigarettes made quitting easy and almost incidental.


Yeah, he was. I wish I had the opportunity to see him before he died.

And the fact that quitting was easy with an e-cig gives me hope, as I'm planning on moving to an e-cig soon...
2013-08-29 09:03:38 AM  
1 votes:

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: LandOfChocolate: E-cigarettes use replaceable cartridges in which nicotine or flavors are heated, vaporized, and inhaled
...
In fact, the inability to show proof of harm was one of the reasons the Food and Drug Administration's 2010 bid to control e-cigarettes as a "drug-delivery device"

I guess proof of harm is necessary to legally classify them that way but the sole purpose of the device is to deliver the drug, nicotine.  I'm not sure what the big deal is here.

So is a beer keg a "drug delivery device"?


So is a coffee pot.
2013-08-29 08:58:06 AM  
1 votes:

PirateKing: Better ban smoke machines at concerts and magic shows too. Since they're the exact same stuff.


Yep.

And simmering pots of tomato sauce will have to be banned for their vaporized nicotine content.

2013-08-29 08:56:33 AM  
1 votes:

LandOfChocolate: E-cigarettes use replaceable cartridges in which nicotine or flavors are heated, vaporized, and inhaled
...
In fact, the inability to show proof of harm was one of the reasons the Food and Drug Administration's 2010 bid to control e-cigarettes as a "drug-delivery device"

I guess proof of harm is necessary to legally classify them that way but the sole purpose of the device is to deliver the drug, nicotine.  I'm not sure what the big deal is here.


So is a beer keg a "drug delivery device"?
2013-08-29 08:47:48 AM  
1 votes:
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(hot, like stepping bare footed on a smoldering cigarette butt)

For close to a century smokers have acted like entitled obnoxious jerks and now they're surprised few have sympathy for them anymore? While not all smokers were/are jerks, smoking culture in general was one of exceptionalism. Blow back was bound to happen eventually and it's a bit too late to say "can't we just get along?"
2013-08-29 08:38:54 AM  
1 votes:
Who didn't see this coming? You were warned. Overzealous people need a cause (see: MADD) and lawyers gotta eat.

/don't smoke
2013-08-29 08:38:32 AM  
1 votes:
Yeah, I'd hate to have to start selling "cylindrical oil-based air perfumer which is similar in function but definitely not actually a smoking device, so dont use it as such" instead of e-cigs.  Having to pay for the extra warning label to be printed would really be a... drag.
 
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