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2013-08-29 12:36:19 PM  

I want your skull: s2s2s2: I guess it will surprise no one that the big tobacco corporations are the ones lobbying for these bans, to help pave the say for them to introduce their vaping devices.

No they're not. They're buying the "cig-alike" companies up (see: Lorillard buying Blu). It's big pharma lobbying against ecigs because it's a more effective smoking cessation product that's a hell of a lot cheaper than their products.


I guess it will surprise no one that s2s2s2 is wrong again.
 
2013-08-29 12:38:25 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Man...  I'm afraid to try those meds.


Agreed. The Chantix warning even includes this: "Serious neuropsychiatric events including, but not limited to, depression, suicidal ideation, suicide attempt, and completed suicide have been reported in patients taking Chantix. "

I chose to quit and used the patch to help. I'll still let people smoke in my car though, so not all reformed smokers turn into proselytizing puritans.
 
2013-08-29 12:39:07 PM  

Vodka Zombie: GanjSmokr: thanks Chantix!

Man...  I'm afraid to try those meds.  Ages ago (like, 15 years-ish), a friend's wife was on Zyban, and it freaked her right the hell out.  She was terrified (almost to the point of screaming and crippling panic) whenever she saw anything even remotely related to smoking (lighters, ash trays, people on TV, and friends who still smoked).

Eventually, she managed to quit, but those early drugs were terrifying.  Glad the Chantrix worked for you.  I'm thinking those things will be a last resort for me.  But, I'm doing well on the e-cigs.  Went from smoking two packs a day to smoking less than two packs a week or so.  The first time I started vaping, it dawned on me that I'd not had a cigarette in two days, and I didn't even realize it.


I didn't have any reactions quite that bad.  I had some CRAZY dreams and was pretty moody while I was taking it.  Had some strange thoughts creep around in my awake brain as well.  It really changes the way your brain works from what I read.

I had tried everything else.  Gum, inhalers, e-cigs, patches - nothing really did it for me.   Chantix was a last resort, but it did the trick.  Smoked for 20+ years (and tried to quit unsuccessfully probably a dozen times) before I quit.  After quitting, I've had a drag off a friend's cig probably 5 times in the last 3 years (always when drinking).  Never made me want to start up again though.
 
2013-08-29 12:39:35 PM  
So you're telling me that despite enacting "common sense regulation" and "reasonable restrictions" the anti-smoking groups continue to attack people's freedoms?
Huh, well, I'm sure the same thing won't happen with gun control right?
Right...?
Anyone....?
 
2013-08-29 12:43:25 PM  

Pangea: Vodka Zombie: Man...  I'm afraid to try those meds.

Agreed. The Chantix warning even includes this: "Serious neuropsychiatric events including, but not limited to, depression, suicidal ideation, suicide attempt, and completed suicide have been reported in patients taking Chantix. "

I chose to quit and used the patch to help. I'll still let people smoke in my car though, so not all reformed smokers turn into proselytizing puritans.


Sadly, I have turned into one of those puritans in my car and house.

I don't look down on people at all for smoking cigs but the smell really does stick around and it's strong.  I never noticed it when I was a smoker of course.  Once I quit, I could smell my other buddies who still smoked.  Didn't ever realize while I was smoking (or even think about it) that I smelled like that.

I'm not a complete prick though.  If you're riding with me, I'm more than happy to stop on the side of the road to let you have a smoke.  I remember what it's like to have that craving.
 
2013-08-29 12:47:42 PM  
All the smokers in my office use ecigs.  Every. One.  No more running down to the parking lot for smoke breaks, etc.  Though, I do have to listen to that "chhhhhhhhh" sound of them sucking on them all day.  And you know what? It doesn't really bother me.

They all use various flavors (as I understand most people do). I never smell it.  I sit no more than 5 feet away from my closest cube neighbor and I never smell it.  In fact, the only time I've smelled the vapor was when I was in the (small) elevator with a coworker and he took a drag.  And it smelled lovely.
 
2013-08-29 12:51:37 PM  

ChaosStar: So you're telling me that despite enacting "common sense regulation" and "reasonable restrictions" the anti-smoking groups continue to attack people's freedoms?
Huh, well, I'm sure the same thing won't happen with gun control right?
Right...?
Anyone....?


Go away.

Just...  go!
 
2013-08-29 12:54:52 PM  

Vodka Zombie: ChaosStar: So you're telling me that despite enacting "common sense regulation" and "reasonable restrictions" the anti-smoking groups continue to attack people's freedoms?
Huh, well, I'm sure the same thing won't happen with gun control right?
Right...?
Anyone....?

Go away.

Just...  go!


Nope, not happening, because this is a perfect example of what happens.
You go.
 
2013-08-29 12:56:25 PM  

ChaosStar: So you're telling me that despite enacting "common sense regulation" and "reasonable restrictions" the anti-smoking groups continue to attack people's freedoms?
Huh, well, I'm sure the same thing won't happen with gun control right?
Right...?
Anyone....?


That comparison would be valid if gun owners only shot themselves, and if the resulting second-hand lead caused people around them to die at a slower rate. Unless you're also in denial that second-hand smoke can cause cancer.
 
2013-08-29 12:57:48 PM  

Pangea: ChaosStar: So you're telling me that despite enacting "common sense regulation" and "reasonable restrictions" the anti-smoking groups continue to attack people's freedoms?
Huh, well, I'm sure the same thing won't happen with gun control right?
Right...?
Anyone....?

That comparison would be valid if gun owners only shot themselves, and if the resulting second-hand lead caused people around them to die at a slower rate. Unless you're also in denial that second-hand smoke can cause cancer.


Don't encourage the thread-jack.
 
2013-08-29 01:04:24 PM  

Tigger: addy2: imfallen_angel: Elegy: And the fact that quitting was easy with an e-cig gives me hope, as I'm planning on moving to an e-cig soon...

My wife smoked for most of her life, tried to quit every possible way (seriously... everything)... the e-cig worked overnight.

Same here. Makes you seriously wonder about the motivations of everyone who wants to mess with that.

It doesn't make me wonder. I know a morally bankrupt subhuman sack of fark who would do anything to line their own pockets when I see one.


I'm just in denial.
 
2013-08-29 01:07:14 PM  

Pangea: ChaosStar: So you're telling me that despite enacting "common sense regulation" and "reasonable restrictions" the anti-smoking groups continue to attack people's freedoms?
Huh, well, I'm sure the same thing won't happen with gun control right?
Right...?
Anyone....?

That comparison would be valid if gun owners only shot themselves, and if the resulting second-hand lead caused people around them to die at a slower rate. Unless you're also in denial that second-hand smoke can cause cancer.


I don't think you know what valid means.
No one is comparing the outcome of using either product, I merely point out that anti-smoking advocates, despite making it all but impossible to smoke , have not stopped with their regulations and bans. Why should I expect anti-firearm people to be any different?
I know, you're being deliberately obtuse.
 
2013-08-29 01:18:59 PM  

ChaosStar: Pangea: ChaosStar: So you're telling me that despite enacting "common sense regulation" and "reasonable restrictions" the anti-smoking groups continue to attack people's freedoms?
Huh, well, I'm sure the same thing won't happen with gun control right?
Right...?
Anyone....?

That comparison would be valid if gun owners only shot themselves, and if the resulting second-hand lead caused people around them to die at a slower rate. Unless you're also in denial that second-hand smoke can cause cancer.

I don't think you know what valid means.
No one is comparing the outcome of using either product, I merely point out that anti-smoking advocates, despite making it all but impossible to smoke , have not stopped with their regulations and bans. Why should I expect anti-firearm people to be any different?
I know, you're being deliberately obtuse.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-29 01:20:56 PM  
It's all about money. SUPER TAX the smokes step one. Addicts keep on smoking step two. Profit from the tax and make poor and middle class less wealthy then they allready aren't while fronting it as a deterrent for teenage smoking.

WHAT! Step 3 didn't work and now they are moving to a healthier standard tax alternative?!?!? MAKE IT ILLEAGLE!

We really need to find a way as a people to outvote our elected officials and veto bullshiat.
 
2013-08-29 01:23:56 PM  
Anyone else notice that it is Democrat-dominated cities and states that are crusading against E-cigarettes?

So, try to convince me that, fundamentally, when it comes to government domination of private life, just how are Democrats actually different from Republicans? All I can see is that they go full retard fascist on different issues, but they're both happy to go full retard fascist at the drop of a hat.
 
2013-08-29 01:24:30 PM  
My husband and I switched over to Blu on May 15th of this year.  I have since completely quit even using those (yay, me!).  He, however is a very heavy user and has actually burnt out 3 out of the 4 batteries now.  I'm debating between buying him another set of batteries, (and keeping the receipt for the warranty) or trying another brand. Apollo is looking like a good option.  Any advice?
 
2013-08-29 01:27:43 PM  
Anyone who wants to ban e-cigs is a farktard.

/non-smoker
 
2013-08-29 01:56:32 PM  

Silly_Sot: Anyone else notice that it is Democrat-dominated cities and states that are crusading against E-cigarettes?



images.sodahead.com
 
2013-08-29 01:57:36 PM  

politech: Cold_Sassy: Do any present e-cig users recommend a particular brand of e-cig?  I tried NJOY brand, they are O.K. but hard to hit (takes a great deal of effort for nicotine "delivery") They also have a slightly soapy taste.

Some of the other benfits of e-cigs and that your house/car/self don't smell, no ashes mess - I'm on board, just wish I could find a more satisfying brand.

Kanger T2 Cartomizer , eGo-T  battery, green Apple flavor VG/PG juice. Great for beginners ... cheap, easy to find and one tank and charge lasts all day.


Thank you :)
 
2013-08-29 02:02:47 PM  

stuffy: Waiting for the one that looks like Vader's Lightsaber.


I already posted a picture of one(mine) that does. Pretty sure it was based on a lightsaber.

www.gotvapes.com
It's the one on the left. That's a Vamo on the right.
 
2013-08-29 02:30:51 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Silly_Sot: Anyone else notice that it is Democrat-dominated cities and states that are crusading against E-cigarettes?


[images.sodahead.com image 267x200]


Exactly. You never see anybody on this site use the actions of a couple of ass-hats in red states to generalize about everyone whose politics are right of center. This demonization of only folks on the left MUST BE STOPPED.
 
2013-08-29 02:56:17 PM  

Cold_Sassy: Do any present e-cig users recommend a particular brand of e-cig?  I tried NJOY brand, they are O.K. but hard to hit (takes a great deal of effort for nicotine "delivery") They also have a slightly soapy taste.

Some of the other benfits of e-cigs and that your house/car/self don't smell, no ashes mess - I'm on board, just wish I could find a more satisfying brand.


Kanger Protank. farking amazing, it is.

Couldn't get completely off cigarettes on the Vivi Nova with the EGo twist for the past 4 months or so. Switched to a Kanger Protank on a VAMO V3 last month and tried a regular cigarette last week and damned near vomited.

/was a two pack a day smoker for about 25 years
//now just the smell of cigarette smoke makes me nauseous
///I keep my distaste of cigarette smoke to myself and simply walk away. No need to be a biatch
 
2013-08-29 02:59:31 PM  

JDJoeE: Question for the e-cig users:
I was in the Philly airport and this guy whipped out an ecig and kept taking hits from it.  Every time he took a hit a large (2') cloud of smoke-like substance would waft up from him.  Whats in that cloud?


Propylene Glycol and water.

Also known as air freshener.

I shiat you not. That is, quite literally all that is in that cloud.
 
2013-08-29 03:08:11 PM  

s2s2s2: stuffy: Waiting for the one that looks like Vader's Lightsaber.

I already posted a picture of one(mine) that does. Pretty sure it was based on a lightsaber.

[www.gotvapes.com image 700x744]
It's the one on the left. That's a Vamo on the right.


Older VAMO, no? The V3 that I have has lines down it and it a bit more automated (automatically drops into the proper vape mode so you don't have to dick with the settings except ohms and voltage).

Where I got mine

Mine looks like this, only in black chrome:

fasttechcdn.com
 
2013-08-29 03:09:14 PM  
Damn, that is a long, whiny article over a movement that so far hasn't managed to even get off the ground. Really, he lumps not allowing teens to buy them with general e-cig bans?

Yes, people are stupid, and some people choose to be stupid over any vestige of smoking. Why is this unexpected? The crushing weight of the millions of people experiencing their smoke without ill effect will overwhelm the Stop Having Fun Guys before they get going.
 
2013-08-29 03:17:06 PM  

litmusdragon: OK guys use your powers of common sense.  E-cigs are safer than cigarettes, in the sense that nicotine vapor is free of the thousands of carcinogens that are produced when you smoke tobacco, therefore there is a reasonable expectation that they won't give you cancer.  E-cigs are the same as cigarettes in that they deliver the same "rush" as cigarettes due to the nicotine, as in constriction of the blood vessels and increased heart rate, both of which tax your circulatory system causing the stroke and heart attack risks associated with cigarette use.  So yes, E-cigarettes are safer than cigarettes, and people should use them over actual cigarettes.  Safe, though?  Don't kid yourself.


You're telling this to a site that lauds alcoholism?
 
2013-08-29 03:20:50 PM  

Aigoo: s2s2s2: stuffy: Waiting for the one that looks like Vader's Lightsaber.

I already posted a picture of one(mine) that does. Pretty sure it was based on a lightsaber.

[www.gotvapes.com image 700x744]
It's the one on the left. That's a Vamo on the right.

Older VAMO, no? The V3 that I have has lines down it and it a bit more automated (automatically drops into the proper vape mode so you don't have to dick with the settings except ohms and voltage).

Where I got mine

Mine looks like this, only in black chrome:

[fasttechcdn.com image 850x460]


I've been thinking about the eVic, but the more I see of the Vamo, I'm kind of leaning that way.
 
2013-08-29 03:21:48 PM  
I'm a vaper. Smoked for about 17 years. Quit OVERNIGHT with vapes, painlessly. The guy who owns my local vape shop is a nic-free vaper; he started stepping down his nicotine dosage gradually with the vapes.

Here's why they work: Smoking is not JUST about nicotine. It's about a habitual behavior. You can start vaping and still get the same habitual behavior AND the same nicotine. Then you can gradually step down your nicotine level without changing the taste, flavor, or feel of your vape. In fact, stepping down nic levels actually helps to give you BETTER flavor, so it kind of rewards you for it.

If you're wanting to buy a vape, find a local vape shop. Go in, talk to the people, try out the different models. Expect to pay $50-150 for your first vape set; after that, the cost of fluids, fuses, cartos, and other accoutrements is minimal. Drugstore brands like N'joy are never going to work as well. Plus, in the long run, they're more expensive and give you less flexibility than an Inferno (what my hubby uses) or a Siegelei (what I use).
 
2013-08-29 03:23:28 PM  
BTW, if you're in the Tacoma area, I highly recommend the Vaporium. There's one in Lakewood and they're opening a new location in Fife. And most of their juices are LOCALLY MADE in the Puget Sound area.
 
2013-08-29 03:29:15 PM  

morgantx: BTW, if you're in the Tacoma area, I highly recommend the Vaporium. There's one in Lakewood and they're opening a new location in Fife. And most of their juices are LOCALLY MADE in the Puget Sound area.


Just an FYI, though - the Vaporium is FILLED with military folks every afternoon. Vapes have become extremely popular with military people, and as the Lakewood Vaporium is so close to the base, it's usually got tons of folks in uniform. So maybe go to Fife if you hate military people.
 
2013-08-29 03:30:53 PM  
This is a great site for all your vaping questions. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/
 
2013-08-29 03:49:13 PM  

Pangea: eyemarten: Really? You think you should tell me how to live porky?  Put down the donuts and then we'll talk.

Unlikely, considering you've already admitted to wishing you could physically harm people who make you feel ostracized because of your choices.

Smoking is a badge of honor for "fierce individualists" everywhere. If you're going to continue to smoke, maybe you should act like a farking man, and not be so sensitive about what non-smokers whisper to each other while they quietly judge you.


The problem is that they don't do anything quietly.

/you sound fat
/and judgmental
/and douchey
 
2013-08-29 03:54:25 PM  

morgantx: Smoking is not JUST about nicotine. It's about a habitual behavior.


A whole bucketful of this.  My weed smoking went up considerably when I quit cigs.
 
2013-08-29 04:13:49 PM  
From my cold. Dead.  Hands.

I've been vaping for 3 years now, almost to the day. They made quitting utterly effortless, and for that I will always fight for vaper's rights. Started doing reviews almost two years ago.  Helped hundreds of smokers put a hyphenated "ex" prefix beside that title as a result.  Started making and selling my own E-liquid this past April. Business has been great and I've never been healthier.  (Well, except for being overweight, but I'm working on that.)

All this propaganda against E-cigs is purely the fabrication of Big Tobacco and Big Pharma, both of which like to line the pockets of non-profit health watchdogs by cherry picking studies that make claims they can spin to say bad things about E-cigs, and of politicians to lobby against them.  It's all about the money.  The government wants its sweet tax revenue.  Big Tobacco wants to keep being Big Tobacco.  Glaxo-Smith-Kline wants to keep selling useless, ineffective, and sometimes dangerous NRT products.

We just want to vape.  And we will continue to vape, and the antis can eat a monstrous bag of mouldering dicks.

Love,
VaporChase.
 
2013-08-29 04:21:56 PM  

Aigoo: Older VAMO, no?


Yeah, V1 or 2, you can still get them. I was posting for the SVD in the pic.
I chose the SVD over the sigelei zmax tele because of the memory(and the lightsaberiness).

I just ordered a Magneto. Stocked to dabble in the lo-fi segment of vaping for a while.
 
2013-08-29 04:42:27 PM  

Elegy: And the fact that quitting was easy with an e-cig gives me hope, as I'm planning on moving to an e-cig soon...


I smoked very heavy for 30+ years, and was smoking over 3 packs a day when I bought an eGo.  I didn't really expect it to work, but a friend had been having good results with vaping so I figured "what the hell".  I had tried to quit before, and nothing else had worked, so I actually expected this to be a waste of time and money just like the rest.

Overnight, without pushing at all, I dropped down to under 1.5 packs a day, less than half of what I'd been smoking.  After several weeks, I figured out that I needed higher level of nicotine and bought juice with more nic.  As soon as I did that, I completely quit smoking.  That was a couple of years ago.  I had been very heavily addicted, and once I had the right level of nic, quitting was easy.

Over time, I've gradually cut down on my nic level and for the past 6 months or so, I don't use any nic at all.  I still vape, just without the nic.

ECF is the best place to go online for information about vaping.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com


Cold_Sassy: Do any present e-cig users recommend a particular brand of e-cig?


Honestly, I think that there are a bunch of different devices/brands that all do about the same thing, so it's mostly personal preference.  What one person loves, another may hate, and vice versa.  eGo is probably the single most popular brand.  I'm a big fan of the Kanger ProTank tanks.  I would recommend avoiding anything the size/look of a real cigarette (like the Blu or the NJoy.)  If they are the size of a normal cig, they tend to have too little battery power and not much juice before you have to refill.

Go to ECF, which I linked above, and ask around.  If you can find a vape shop in your area, that helps.  There is a learning curve when you first start out, so having a local vape shop is nice.  Stuff like the Blu and Njoy get sold at grocery stores and gas stations, but they don't do nearly as good a job, and while they tend to be cheap up front, in the long run they tend to be overall more expensive than getting a normal PV.  That being said, simply due to being so widely available, they've worked for a lot of people, and if it works for you, it works.
 
2013-08-29 05:07:34 PM  

ralanprod: So,

How long before the tax man clamps down on the ingredients and devices?

You don't think the govt is just going to let all those revenues go up in vapor do you?

No, I'm not sure what the justification will be.  Probably something along the lines of, "Fark you - that's why."


I certainly expect them to try, but I think when it all comes down to it, the only thing they even have a chance of regulating will be the nicotine.  Of course, for a smoker switching to vaping, the nicotine is very important.

I don't think they can reasonably regulate batteries.  Batteries are used by far too many people.  Add a button, make a basic tank,  add an atomizer to heat up small amounts of juice, and the device is ready.  It's just not feasible to regulate that stuff.  The basic juice is made of PG and VG which have long been used for many other things, so they can't really get rid of that.  It's flavored with food flavoring, and they can't get rid of that.

So the only thing I expect they can regulate is the nicotine.  I do expect them to try.  The money all lines up that way.

The gov is losing tax money.  The cig companies are losing customers.  The big pharmaceutical companies are selling nicotine gum and nicotine inhalers and the patch and such, and they don't want the competition.  The American Heart Association and American Cancer Society and such, those places receive a lot of money that comes from the cig taxes, so they won't support vaping even though it would clearly be much healthier for smokers to switch.

The cig companies don't mind that they pay a ton in taxes.  They still make a huge profit, and the taxes all get paid by the end user.  So as they move into the e-cig market, they are trying to get the gov to regulate.  They don't want a bunch of small companies and local businesses running vape shops, they want to pay off the gov to make sure that nobody except them can afford to be in that business.  Whether they succeed or not remains to be seen.
 
2013-08-29 06:07:29 PM  
Anyone in the milwaukee area know of a vapor shop? I looked up a few on ecf but they all seem to be online juice sellers, and the clostest other shop I've found is about hour and thirty away. And or does anyone have a good site that sells for make your own juice supplies ecf often has too many options and opinions.
 
2013-08-29 06:24:43 PM  

DerpHerder: Anyone in the milwaukee area know of a vapor shop? I looked up a few on ecf but they all seem to be online juice sellers, and the clostest other shop I've found is about hour and thirty away. And or does anyone have a good site that sells for make your own juice supplies ecf often has too many options and opinions.


I use these guys for miscellaneous things: http://indyvaporshop.com/

They have some good prices, and their store juices aren't terrible. Their fancy juices like Halo are always good.

Other than that, the e-cig forum mentioned earlier in the thread is a great place to go for info on making mixes and everything else.

I don't know of any brick and mortar vape shops in Milwaukee, but I'll ask around. My guess is that there has to be one somewhere around Brady or elsewhere on the East Side.
 
2013-08-29 06:41:02 PM  

DerpHerder: Anyone in the milwaukee area know of a vapor shop? I looked up a few on ecf but they all seem to be online juice sellers, and the clostest other shop I've found is about hour and thirty away. And or does anyone have a good site that sells for make your own juice supplies ecf often has too many options and opinions.


Looking on ECF, I didn't find anything in Milwaukee (which doesn't mean a lot), but I did find this, which may help you.

http://www.facebook.com/groups/WisconsinVapers/
 
2013-08-29 06:53:31 PM  

JuggleGeek: DerpHerder: Anyone in the milwaukee area know of a vapor shop? I looked up a few on ecf but they all seem to be online juice sellers, and the clostest other shop I've found is about hour and thirty away. And or does anyone have a good site that sells for make your own juice supplies ecf often has too many options and opinions.

Looking on ECF, I didn't find anything in Milwaukee (which doesn't mean a lot), but I did find this, which may help you.

http://www.facebook.com/groups/WisconsinVapers/


Oh heck, that's here in Appleton! I bought a Blu but haven't liked it too much, I don't think I was getting enough nicotine (only a pack a day smoker...) I should look in to this. I heard that there was a vape shop around here.
 
2013-08-29 07:11:19 PM  
I always recommend avoiding anything that's the size of a cig.  The more they try to make them look/feel like a cig, the less well they actually work.  And I'm not a big fan of stuff like the Blu where they want a proprietary system, expecting you to buy everything from one company.  Batteries, chargers, juice, atomizers, etc.  I think blu wants you to buy prefilled cartridges, too, which tends to raise the cost as well as limiting your options.

Getting something a little bigger than a cig pays off.  The battery lasts longer.  Having a small tank means you don't have to refill often (and it's generally easier to refill a tank than a carto.)  I'm using a Vision Spinner 1300 mah battery, which is essentially a big knock off of the ego Twist batteries.  I'm using an ego brand charger.  Kanger Protank.  Juice from a local vendor.  But it all works "mix and match", so I could go back to my lavatube or my buzzpro, I could swap tanks, etc.

I'm a big fan of variable voltage systems.  The good ones will let you go up to 6 volts or more, but even the low end ones like the ego Twist or the vision Spinner will let you raise the voltage to 4.8 or so.  When I was using a higher end system that would reach 6.0 volts, I found that 4.8 was my sweet spot.  Most basic non-variable batteries run at 3.3 or so, and you get less vapor.  I like having voltage in the 4.7 to 4.8 range.  The ego Twist batteries aren't much more expensive than the regular non-variable ego Batteries, so I recommend the twist batteries for starting out.
 
2013-08-29 07:39:26 PM  

JuggleGeek: I always recommend avoiding anything that's the size of a cig.  The more they try to make them look/feel like a cig, the less well they actually work.  And I'm not a big fan of stuff like the Blu where they want a proprietary system, expecting you to buy everything from one company.  Batteries, chargers, juice, atomizers, etc.  I think blu wants you to buy prefilled cartridges, too, which tends to raise the cost as well as limiting your options.


Normally I'd have agreed with you.  Cig-styles tend not to work very well.  However I just received a review kit from MigCigs -- just an 808 kit with prefilled cartos, plus a couple of bonus Kanger 808 clearos, and I'm actually kind of shocked at how well it works. The 18mg carts still don't hit like 18mg, but they do hit like about 12mg or so, whch is more than I can say for any of the other 808 kits I've reviewed.  And the tanks are shockingly superb.  Personally I always recommend an eGo-C Twist kit with some Kanger clearos (T3S, EVOD or Mini ProTank), but there are some people who are kind of intimidated by cigar-sized devices (or larger) and really feel like they need something as close to what they already know as possible, so I tend to be always on the lookout for good cig-style kits that actually work and don't suck.  Most people probably won't keep them for more than a month or so anyway before wanting something beefier (if they make it that long) but they still have their place as a good launching platform for newbies to get a decent understanding of what vaping can do for them, so I think it's important to have a few solid options in cig-alikes that work well enough to make them want to keep going with it.
 
2013-08-29 08:02:01 PM  
Just competition for reg. cigs and they don't like it. Follow the money.
 
2013-08-29 10:31:27 PM  

Psychopusher: JuggleGeek: I always recommend avoiding anything that's the size of a cig.  The more they try to make them look/feel like a cig, the less well they actually work.  And I'm not a big fan of stuff like the Blu where they want a proprietary system, expecting you to buy everything from one company.  Batteries, chargers, juice, atomizers, etc.  I think blu wants you to buy prefilled cartridges, too, which tends to raise the cost as well as limiting your options.

Normally I'd have agreed with you.  Cig-styles tend not to work very well.  However I just received a review kit from MigCigs -- just an 808 kit with prefilled cartos, plus a couple of bonus Kanger 808 clearos, and I'm actually kind of shocked at how well it works. The 18mg carts still don't hit like 18mg, but they do hit like about 12mg or so, whch is more than I can say for any of the other 808 kits I've reviewed.  And the tanks are shockingly superb.  Personally I always recommend an eGo-C Twist kit with some Kanger clearos (T3S, EVOD or Mini ProTank), but there are some people who are kind of intimidated by cigar-sized devices (or larger) and really feel like they need something as close to what they already know as possible, so I tend to be always on the lookout for good cig-style kits that actually work and don't suck.  Most people probably won't keep them for more than a month or so anyway before wanting something beefier (if they make it that long) but they still have their place as a good launching platform for newbies to get a decent understanding of what vaping can do for them, so I think it's important to have a few solid options in cig-alikes that work well enough to make them want to keep going with it.


OK.... just too damn complicated... I don't want to use Blu, but it is crazy to use anything else. I just want advice on something easy. Something I can use in the office, or, say, on a plane.
 
2013-08-29 11:23:32 PM  

desertfool: OK.... just too damn complicated... I don't want to use Blu, but it is crazy to use anything else. I just want advice on something easy. Something I can use in the office, or, say, on a plane.


If you want a slim cigarette-type, then right now I'm looking pretty seriously at MigCigs being my top pick.  They're a bit pricey for what they are, but they seem to work surprisingly well.  The Mig 21 Clear kit is probably your best bet.  Great performance, easy to refill, don't need to keep buying or refilling those small cartridges, just buy E-liquid and replacement tanks when yours stop performing well (they usually last at least a week or more) and that's that.  Simple and to the point.  They're manual batteries though so you do have to press a button to vape, but that does give you more control over the process, which is a good thing.
 
2013-08-30 12:05:31 AM  

desertfool: OK.... just too damn complicated... I don't want to use Blu, but it is crazy to use anything else. I just want advice on something easy. Something I can use in the office, or, say, on a plane.


There is a learning curve.  It isn't going to be exactly like smoking, because it isn't smoking.  It's not hard to learn, but that's part of the process.

That's why I recommend trying to find a local vape shop if you can, and why I link people to the ECF forums.

If you are unwilling to learn anything new, then vaping isn't for you. It's not complicated, but there are a few things you have to learn.
 
2013-08-30 12:11:51 AM  

desertfool: Psychopusher: JuggleGeek: I always recommend avoiding anything that's the size of a cig.  The more they try to make them look/feel like a cig, the less well they actually work.  And I'm not a big fan of stuff like the Blu where they want a proprietary system, expecting you to buy everything from one company.  Batteries, chargers, juice, atomizers, etc.  I think blu wants you to buy prefilled cartridges, too, which tends to raise the cost as well as limiting your options.

Normally I'd have agreed with you.  Cig-styles tend not to work very well.  However I just received a review kit from MigCigs -- just an 808 kit with prefilled cartos, plus a couple of bonus Kanger 808 clearos, and I'm actually kind of shocked at how well it works. The 18mg carts still don't hit like 18mg, but they do hit like about 12mg or so, whch is more than I can say for any of the other 808 kits I've reviewed.  And the tanks are shockingly superb.  Personally I always recommend an eGo-C Twist kit with some Kanger clearos (T3S, EVOD or Mini ProTank), but there are some people who are kind of intimidated by cigar-sized devices (or larger) and really feel like they need something as close to what they already know as possible, so I tend to be always on the lookout for good cig-style kits that actually work and don't suck.  Most people probably won't keep them for more than a month or so anyway before wanting something beefier (if they make it that long) but they still have their place as a good launching platform for newbies to get a decent understanding of what vaping can do for them, so I think it's important to have a few solid options in cig-alikes that work well enough to make them want to keep going with it.

OK.... just too damn complicated... I don't want to use Blu, but it is crazy to use anything else. I just want advice on something easy. Something I can use in the office, or, say, on a plane.


I was very confused and put off by all the hipster speak and douch style terminology.  I wanted just to get some advice in plane english as my intent was purely to get on with quiting and din;t want to hear about fu-fu flavors. I wanted someting that mimicked the things I was used to.  I spoke to the folks at the vapor room that recomended a kit that and 18mg of nic with a tobacco "juice" that very closely tastes of Marlborro lights.  the info through the ordering process was clear and I have been greatly satisfied as it gives a quality entry lever introduction to the whats, whys and hows.

Oh thats thevaporroom.net (out of Mass) the net is important the ,com leads to a pot shop in SF
 
2013-08-30 12:22:48 AM  
I'll say it again:

Someone smoking an "e-cigarette" is as pathetic as someone smoking through their trach-hole.

/"It's time we take our FREEDOM back!" LOL
 
2013-08-30 12:55:29 AM  

BuckTurgidson: I'll say it again:

Someone smoking an "e-cigarette" is as pathetic as someone smoking through their trach-hole.

/"It's time we take our FREEDOM back!" LOL


Say it all you want. No one gives a shiat.
 
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