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2013-08-29 08:35:32 AM
please go after the phones next.  Those are a bigger nuisance than cigarettes.

If I can't smoke on the train then you don't get to yell in my ear from the seat behind me.
 
2013-08-29 08:36:05 AM
OBAMA IS GONNA TAKE THE MENTHOLS NEXT!
 
2013-08-29 08:36:11 AM
I now realize I smoke for simply one reason, and that is spite. I hate you non-smokers with all of my little black farking heart, you obnoxious, self-righteous, whining little farks, my biggest fear, if I quit smoking, is that I'll become one of you.

I have something to tell you non-smokers, and this is for you and you only, because I know for a fact that you don't know this. And I feel it's my duty to pass on information at all times, so that we can all learn, evolve, and get the fark off this planet. Non-smokers, this is for you and you only, ready? Non-smokers die every day. Sleep tight...
 
2013-08-29 08:36:26 AM
I used to work at a cigarette factory (I know what's in them ;-) and hate being around smokers.

But I couldn't give a flip if someone is using an e-cigarette next to me unless it is some nasty flavor.
 
2013-08-29 08:37:28 AM
But Ethan Hawke Sean Patrick Flanery Stephen Dorff uses them.
 
2013-08-29 08:38:32 AM
Yeah, I'd hate to have to start selling "cylindrical oil-based air perfumer which is similar in function but definitely not actually a smoking device, so dont use it as such" instead of e-cigs.  Having to pay for the extra warning label to be printed would really be a... drag.
 
2013-08-29 08:38:46 AM
Incredibly, the latest push from tobacco eliminationists doesn't involve actual smoking, which has already been driven out of polite society more thoroughly than Rev. Jeremiah Wright sermons, early David Allan Coe records, and Three's Company-era gay jokes combined

Everyone is glad those things are gone, cigarettes included.  I'm not sure how this bolsters his argument
 
2013-08-29 08:38:48 AM

darth_badger: OBAMA IS GONNA TAKE THE MENTHOLS NEXT!


Would that be irony? I think that would be irony.
 
2013-08-29 08:38:54 AM
Who didn't see this coming? You were warned. Overzealous people need a cause (see: MADD) and lawyers gotta eat.

/don't smoke
 
2013-08-29 08:39:11 AM
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2013-08-29 08:39:54 AM

TheGreatGazoo: I used to work at a cigarette factory (I know what's in them ;-) and hate being around smokers.

But I couldn't give a flip if someone is using an e-cigarette next to me unless it is some nasty flavor.


And even then, banning them would be akin to banning body odor.
 
2013-08-29 08:39:56 AM

TheGreatGazoo: I know what's in them ;-


Tobacco?
 
2013-08-29 08:40:16 AM

Elegy: I now realize I smoke for simply one reason, and that is spite. I hate you non-smokers with all of my little black farking heart, you obnoxious, self-righteous, whining little farks, my biggest fear, if I quit smoking, is that I'll become one of you.

I have something to tell you non-smokers, and this is for you and you only, because I know for a fact that you don't know this. And I feel it's my duty to pass on information at all times, so that we can all learn, evolve, and get the fark off this planet. Non-smokers, this is for you and you only, ready? Non-smokers die every day. Sleep tight...


I've always viewed folks like you as basically being constantly flatulent.  Voluntarily flatulent.  Maybe the nasty smell comes more from the stench of your soul.

Hyjamon: please go after the phones next.  Those are a bigger nuisance than cigarettes.

If I can't smoke on the train then you don't get to yell in my ear from the seat behind me.


Petition for quiet cars.  It works in other jurisdictions.
 
2013-08-29 08:44:32 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: TheGreatGazoo: I used to work at a cigarette factory (I know what's in them ;-) and hate being around smokers.

But I couldn't give a flip if someone is using an e-cigarette next to me unless it is some nasty flavor.

And even then, banning them would be akin to banning body odor.


Or how about people who pour on ridiculous amounts of rank-smelling perfume/cologne.  Ironically, the most expensive brands are also the most stanky.

/Michael Bloomberg, go fornicate yourself!
 
2013-08-29 08:45:06 AM
E-cigarettes use replaceable cartridges in which nicotine or flavors are heated, vaporized, and inhaled
...
In fact, the inability to show proof of harm was one of the reasons the Food and Drug Administration's 2010 bid to control e-cigarettes as a "drug-delivery device"

I guess proof of harm is necessary to legally classify them that way but the sole purpose of the device is to deliver the drug, nicotine.  I'm not sure what the big deal is here.
 
2013-08-29 08:45:30 AM

Elegy: I now realize I smoke for simply one reason, and that is spite. I hate you non-smokers with all of my little black farking heart, you obnoxious, self-righteous, whining little farks, my biggest fear, if I quit smoking, is that I'll become one of you.

I have something to tell you non-smokers, and this is for you and you only, because I know for a fact that you don't know this. And I feel it's my duty to pass on information at all times, so that we can all learn, evolve, and get the fark off this planet. Non-smokers, this is for you and you only, ready? Non-smokers die every day. Sleep tight...


Bill Hicks was a funny man, I was a smoker when I first saw him. I'm glad I didn't turn into a self righteous anti-smoker when I quit.

e-cigarettes made quitting easy and almost incidental.
 
2013-08-29 08:46:43 AM
This kind of BS makes me want to purchase and use an ecig.

I have seen this exact zero-tolerance crap from non-smokers and former smokers acting disgusted and douchey when they spot someone indoors using one.

Makes me want to kneecap em.

My absolute favorite is watching an obese non-smoker harping about this stuff.

Really? You think you should tell me how to live porky?

Put down the donuts and then we'll talk.
 
2013-08-29 08:47:48 AM
www.logosdatabase.com
(hot, like stepping bare footed on a smoldering cigarette butt)

For close to a century smokers have acted like entitled obnoxious jerks and now they're surprised few have sympathy for them anymore? While not all smokers were/are jerks, smoking culture in general was one of exceptionalism. Blow back was bound to happen eventually and it's a bit too late to say "can't we just get along?"
 
2013-08-29 08:47:49 AM

JasonOfOrillia: Elegy: I now realize I smoke for simply one reason, and that is spite. I hate you non-smokers with all of my little black farking heart, you obnoxious, self-righteous, whining little farks, my biggest fear, if I quit smoking, is that I'll become one of you.

I have something to tell you non-smokers, and this is for you and you only, because I know for a fact that you don't know this. And I feel it's my duty to pass on information at all times, so that we can all learn, evolve, and get the fark off this planet. Non-smokers, this is for you and you only, ready? Non-smokers die every day. Sleep tight...

I've always viewed folks like you as basically being constantly flatulent.  Voluntarily flatulent.  Maybe the nasty smell comes more from the stench of your soul.

Hyjamon: please go after the phones next.  Those are a bigger nuisance than cigarettes.

If I can't smoke on the train then you don't get to yell in my ear from the seat behind me.

Petition for quiet cars.  It works in other jurisdictions.


We have em on the MBTA.  Maybe twice a month some douchetard starts yapping on their phone and the conductor has to ask them to hang up or move to another car.  EVERY FARKING TIME the phone idiot goes into a vibrating froth about it, with all the usual "It was only for a couple of minutes" or "Im not bothering anybody".
 
2013-08-29 08:49:00 AM

Elegy: I now realize I smoke for simply one reason, and that is spite. I hate you non-smokers with all of my little black farking heart, you obnoxious, self-righteous, whining little farks, my biggest fear, if I quit smoking, is that I'll become one of you.

I have something to tell you non-smokers, and this is for you and you only, because I know for a fact that you don't know this. And I feel it's my duty to pass on information at all times, so that we can all learn, evolve, and get the fark off this planet. Non-smokers, this is for you and you only, ready? Non-smokers die every day. Sleep tight...


Former smoker. Current non-smoker. It doesn't really bother me. I kind of like the smell, actually.
 
2013-08-29 08:50:44 AM
Was at open mic night in a crowded little place and a woman two feet away pulled out her e-cig.  I noticed absolutely nothing at all.  I can see if they added a lot of strange scents as options, then I might be a bit annoyed.

On the other hand, I was at a play, and the woman two rows behind me walked in and I nearly choked on the cloud of perfume, she must have applied half a bottle as she left her car.  It took about ten minutes to get used to the stench.

Maybe just be courteous about what scents you inflict on others?  Especially at restaurants where you really want to experience your food scent instead of eau de old lady.
 
2013-08-29 08:50:52 AM
this looks so stupid

pink-mule.com
 
2013-08-29 08:51:07 AM
The government will step in to further regulate them.  Since I moved to en E-Cig from a pack a day habit they're not getting their $5 a day in sweet sin tax money from me anymore.
 
2013-08-29 08:52:11 AM
What side will you be on when they come for the caffeines and liquors!
 
2013-08-29 08:52:47 AM
I am totally pro e-sigs.  The number one reason why is because people can use them at their desks and are no longer running out every 20 mins for another "break".  They don't smell. They are convenient. They increase the productivity of smokers on the job, and you know what? fark you puritan pricks. You take the fun out of everything.

/former smoker
 
2013-08-29 08:53:29 AM
Better ban smoke machines at concerts and magic shows too. Since they're the exact same stuff.
 
2013-08-29 08:56:33 AM

LandOfChocolate: E-cigarettes use replaceable cartridges in which nicotine or flavors are heated, vaporized, and inhaled
...
In fact, the inability to show proof of harm was one of the reasons the Food and Drug Administration's 2010 bid to control e-cigarettes as a "drug-delivery device"

I guess proof of harm is necessary to legally classify them that way but the sole purpose of the device is to deliver the drug, nicotine.  I'm not sure what the big deal is here.


So is a beer keg a "drug delivery device"?
 
2013-08-29 08:57:01 AM
Perfume swimmers are more offensive than just about anyone else on the planet with the exception of flatulent homeless people sitting next to you on the bus.
 
2013-08-29 08:58:06 AM

PirateKing: Better ban smoke machines at concerts and magic shows too. Since they're the exact same stuff.


Yep.

And simmering pots of tomato sauce will have to be banned for their vaporized nicotine content.

 
2013-08-29 08:58:19 AM

AngryDragon: The government will step in to further regulate them.  Since I moved to en E-Cig from a pack a day habit they're not getting their $5 a day in sweet sin tax money from me anymore.


Ding ding ding. There is the root of all this. All they have to do is whip the sheep into a fury to support them.
 
2013-08-29 08:59:54 AM

Bilgewater: fark you puritan pricks. You take the fun out of everything


Except shame.
 
2013-08-29 09:02:24 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: LandOfChocolate: E-cigarettes use replaceable cartridges in which nicotine or flavors are heated, vaporized, and inhaled
...
In fact, the inability to show proof of harm was one of the reasons the Food and Drug Administration's 2010 bid to control e-cigarettes as a "drug-delivery device"

I guess proof of harm is necessary to legally classify them that way but the sole purpose of the device is to deliver the drug, nicotine.  I'm not sure what the big deal is here.

So is a beer keg a "drug delivery device"?


Yes.

www.myspaceantics.com
 
2013-08-29 09:03:38 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: LandOfChocolate: E-cigarettes use replaceable cartridges in which nicotine or flavors are heated, vaporized, and inhaled
...
In fact, the inability to show proof of harm was one of the reasons the Food and Drug Administration's 2010 bid to control e-cigarettes as a "drug-delivery device"

I guess proof of harm is necessary to legally classify them that way but the sole purpose of the device is to deliver the drug, nicotine.  I'm not sure what the big deal is here.

So is a beer keg a "drug delivery device"?


So is a coffee pot.
 
2013-08-29 09:03:45 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: AngryDragon: The government will step in to further regulate them.  Since I moved to en E-Cig from a pack a day habit they're not getting their $5 a day in sweet sin tax money from me anymore.

Ding ding ding. There is the root of all this. All they have to do is whip the sheep into a fury to support them.


So they're like tobacco executives.
 
2013-08-29 09:03:46 AM

Slaxl: Elegy: I now realize I smoke for simply one reason, and that is spite. I hate you non-smokers with all of my little black farking heart, you obnoxious, self-righteous, whining little farks, my biggest fear, if I quit smoking, is that I'll become one of you.

I have something to tell you non-smokers, and this is for you and you only, because I know for a fact that you don't know this. And I feel it's my duty to pass on information at all times, so that we can all learn, evolve, and get the fark off this planet. Non-smokers, this is for you and you only, ready? Non-smokers die every day. Sleep tight...

Bill Hicks was a funny man, I was a smoker when I first saw him. I'm glad I didn't turn into a self righteous anti-smoker when I quit.

e-cigarettes made quitting easy and almost incidental.


Yeah, he was. I wish I had the opportunity to see him before he died.

And the fact that quitting was easy with an e-cig gives me hope, as I'm planning on moving to an e-cig soon...
 
2013-08-29 09:03:46 AM
I was talking to someone that does the e sigs and he said the only downside is that the kids think that it smells like candy. They keep wanting to get a hold of it from him.
 
2013-08-29 09:04:14 AM
I guess it will surprise no one that the big tobacco corporations are the ones lobbying for these bans, to help pave the say for them to introduce their vaping devices.

Mine:
i1032.photobucket.com
I named it LUUUUUUKE
 
2013-08-29 09:04:45 AM

Hack Patooey: We have em on the MBTA. Maybe twice a month some douchetard starts yapping on their phone and the conductor has to ask them to hang up or move to another car. EVERY FARKING TIME the phone idiot goes into a vibrating froth about it, with all the usual "It was only for a couple of minutes" or "Im not bothering anybody".


I hear you.  I bet it's still better than the alternative.
 
2013-08-29 09:04:49 AM

LandOfChocolate: E-cigarettes use replaceable cartridges in which nicotine or flavors are heated, vaporized, and inhaled
...
In fact, the inability to show proof of harm was one of the reasons the Food and Drug Administration's 2010 bid to control e-cigarettes as a "drug-delivery device"

I guess proof of harm is necessary to legally classify them that way but the sole purpose of the device is to deliver the drug, nicotine.  I'm not sure what the big deal is here.


I'd imagine its because nicotine is legal. If they were to classify everything that allows you to consume legal, non-prescription drugs in a non-harmful manner as such, every coffee cup in the country would have to be labeled a "drug delivery device."
 
2013-08-29 09:04:54 AM

darth_badger: OBAMA IS GONNA TAKE THE MENTHOLS NEXT!


Kool.
 
2013-08-29 09:05:28 AM

Bilgewater: I am totally pro e-sigs.  The number one reason why is because people can use them at their desks and are no longer running out every 20 mins for another "break".  They don't smell. They are convenient. They increase the productivity of smokers on the job, and you know what? fark you puritan pricks. You take the fun out of everything.

/former smoker


Detest smoking, but on e-cigs, I really don't care.  If you want to put fun back into it, make them phallic shaped.  Give them to your girlfriend to help her stop smoking. Enjoy the view.
Would put a whole new spin on "smoking after sex."

Of course, then the no-fun crowd would want to ban them just for that.
 
2013-08-29 09:07:01 AM

Elegy: And the fact that quitting was easy with an e-cig gives me hope, as I'm planning on moving to an e-cig soon...


My wife smoked for most of her life, tried to quit every possible way (seriously... everything)... the e-cig worked overnight.
 
2013-08-29 09:11:47 AM
Wake me up when the e-cig smokers start flipping burning pieces of trash on the ground and out of car windows twenty times a day.
 
2013-08-29 09:12:40 AM
Do any present e-cig users recommend a particular brand of e-cig?  I tried NJOY brand, they are O.K. but hard to hit (takes a great deal of effort for nicotine "delivery") They also have a slightly soapy taste.

Some of the other benfits of e-cigs and that your house/car/self don't smell, no ashes mess - I'm on board, just wish I could find a more satisfying brand.
 
2013-08-29 09:15:17 AM

AngryDragon: The government will step in to further regulate them.  Since I moved to en E-Cig from a pack a day habit they're not getting their $5 a day in sweet sin tax money from me anymore.


I smoked for 35 years, since receiving my "VAPORIZER", two weeks ago I have not bought any cigarettes, My wife also got one last week. Thats a minimum of $10. a day savings.  But for every pack of cigarettes not sold, the state loses money, of course they will try to ban them, these things make quiting the cancer sticks too easy and that is costing the government money, we will not have that, citizen!
 
2013-08-29 09:15:24 AM

Cold_Sassy: Do any present e-cig users recommend a particular brand of e-cig?  I tried NJOY brand, they are O.K. but hard to hit (takes a great deal of effort for nicotine "delivery") They also have a slightly soapy taste.

Some of the other benfits of e-cigs and that your house/car/self don't smell, no ashes mess - I'm on board, just wish I could find a more satisfying brand.


Blu.  Best I've tried hands down.
 
2013-08-29 09:15:36 AM

The Homer Tax: LandOfChocolate: E-cigarettes use replaceable cartridges in which nicotine or flavors are heated, vaporized, and inhaled
...
In fact, the inability to show proof of harm was one of the reasons the Food and Drug Administration's 2010 bid to control e-cigarettes as a "drug-delivery device"

I guess proof of harm is necessary to legally classify them that way but the sole purpose of the device is to deliver the drug, nicotine.  I'm not sure what the big deal is here.

I'd imagine its because nicotine is legal. If they were to classify everything that allows you to consume legal, non-prescription drugs in a non-harmful manner as such, every coffee cup in the country would have to be labeled a "drug delivery device."


I, probably unwisely, shot from the hip a bit there.  Here is more info directly from the FDA: http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/PublicHealthFocus/ucm252360.htm

Under the FD&C Act, the definition of "drug" includes articles intended:  (1) for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment or prevention of disease, or (2) to affect the structure or any function of the body.

Similarly, "device" is defined to include articles intended:  (1) for use in the diagnosis of disease or other conditions, or in the cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease, or (2) to affect the structure or any function of the body.

Between 2008 and 2010, the FDA determined that certain electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes) were unapproved drug/device combination products

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, in Sottera, Inc. v. Food & Drug Administration, 627 F.3d 891 (D.C. Cir. 2010), recently issued a decision with regard to e-cigarettes and other products "made or derived from tobacco" and the jurisdictional line that should be drawn between "tobacco products" and "drugs," "devices," and combination products,  as those terms are defined in the FD&C Act.  The court held that e-cigarettes and other products made or derived from tobacco can be regulated as  "tobacco products" under the Act and are not drugs/devices unless they are marketed for therapeutic purposes.


So, I'm getting that its not a "drug delivery device" unless its specifically marketed as being helpful or therapeutic in some way.

Makes sense as you and SacriliousBeerSwiller so helpfully pointed out.

/Haven't finished my drug (coffee) yet.
 
2013-08-29 09:17:21 AM

s2s2s2: I guess it will surprise no one that the big tobacco corporations are the ones lobbying for these bans, to help pave the say for them to introduce their vaping devices.

Mine:
[768x1024 from http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/a401/ulikestu/IMG_2196.jpg image 768x1024]
I named it LUUUUUUKE


Whatchu got there?

And hey fisker whatchu got there too?

Lookin' for an upgrayyed 's'all.
 
2013-08-29 09:17:53 AM
This time, the buttinskys are trying to douse the dreaded e-cigarette, a device that supplies a safe nicotine hit to the user without bothering or endangering anybody else.

This is a stretch...we don't know if they are safe, but they probably aren't any worse.
 
2013-08-29 09:18:19 AM
I think Ecigs would have a better time if they dropped the association with cigarettes all together.  Make them look more like asthma inhalers than cigarettes and see if anyone gives a shiat.
 
2013-08-29 09:20:59 AM

JasonOfOrillia: Elegy: I now realize I smoke for simply one reason, and that is spite. I hate you non-smokers with all of my little black farking heart, you obnoxious, self-righteous, whining little farks, my biggest fear, if I quit smoking, is that I'll become one of you.

I have something to tell you non-smokers, and this is for you and you only, because I know for a fact that you don't know this. And I feel it's my duty to pass on information at all times, so that we can all learn, evolve, and get the fark off this planet. Non-smokers, this is for you and you only, ready? Non-smokers die every day. Sleep tight...

I've always viewed folks like you as basically being constantly flatulent.  Voluntarily flatulent.  Maybe the nasty smell comes more from the stench of your soul.

Hyjamon: please go after the phones next.  Those are a bigger nuisance than cigarettes.

If I can't smoke on the train then you don't get to yell in my ear from the seat behind me.

Petition for quiet cars.  It works in other jurisdictions.


Quiet cars? Like a non-smoking section of a restaurant? Intrigued.
 
2013-08-29 09:21:30 AM

Cold_Sassy: Do any present e-cig users recommend a particular brand of e-cig?  I tried NJOY brand, they are O.K. but hard to hit (takes a great deal of effort for nicotine "delivery") They also have a slightly soapy taste.

Some of the other benfits of e-cigs and that your house/car/self don't smell, no ashes mess - I'm on board, just wish I could find a more satisfying brand.


Seconding that request for information. I want a nice vape with a couple of rechargeable batteries, not the cheap disposables you see at the gas station.

Most importantly though, it needs carts made in America that have a farking ingredient list, as I'd prefer to to vaporize anything unknown thats made in China...
 
2013-08-29 09:22:03 AM

James!: I think Ecigs would have a better time if they dropped the association with cigarettes all together.  Make them look more like asthma inhalers than cigarettes and see if anyone gives a shiat.


Some have tried that, but there is the habit association with putting a cig like item to the mouth and they didn't sell as well.
 
2013-08-29 09:22:58 AM

Luminiferous Aether: s2s2s2: I guess it will surprise no one that the big tobacco corporations are the ones lobbying for these bans, to help pave the say for them to introduce their vaping devices.

Mine:
[768x1024 from http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/a401/ulikestu/IMG_2196.jpg image 768x1024]
I named it LUUUUUUKE

Whatchu got there?

And hey fisker whatchu got there too?

Lookin' for an upgrayyed 's'all.


Innokin SVD with an UD IGO-W rebuildable dripping atomizer.
Fisker's picture is of a Kanger branded "eGo" vapor pen with a Kanger mini protank v1(v2 is better).
 
2013-08-29 09:23:25 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: JasonOfOrillia: Elegy: I now realize I smoke for simply one reason, and that is spite. I hate you non-smokers with all of my little black farking heart, you obnoxious, self-righteous, whining little farks, my biggest fear, if I quit smoking, is that I'll become one of you.

I have something to tell you non-smokers, and this is for you and you only, because I know for a fact that you don't know this. And I feel it's my duty to pass on information at all times, so that we can all learn, evolve, and get the fark off this planet. Non-smokers, this is for you and you only, ready? Non-smokers die every day. Sleep tight...

I've always viewed folks like you as basically being constantly flatulent.  Voluntarily flatulent.  Maybe the nasty smell comes more from the stench of your soul.

Hyjamon: please go after the phones next.  Those are a bigger nuisance than cigarettes.

If I can't smoke on the train then you don't get to yell in my ear from the seat behind me.

Petition for quiet cars.  It works in other jurisdictions.

Quiet cars? Like a non-smoking section of a restaurant? Intrigued.


Just be aware that the quiet folk are more aggressive than any non-smoker you'll ever encounter.
 
2013-08-29 09:23:45 AM

Elegy: Cold_Sassy: Do any present e-cig users recommend a particular brand of e-cig?  I tried NJOY brand, they are O.K. but hard to hit (takes a great deal of effort for nicotine "delivery") They also have a slightly soapy taste.

Some of the other benfits of e-cigs and that your house/car/self don't smell, no ashes mess - I'm on board, just wish I could find a more satisfying brand.

Seconding that request for information. I want a nice vape with a couple of rechargeable batteries, not the cheap disposables you see at the gas station.

Most importantly though, it needs carts made in America that have a farking ingredient list, as I'd prefer to to vaporize anything unknown thats made in China...


Apollo

http://www.apolloecigs.com/

I've been using them for over a year now
 
2013-08-29 09:23:47 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: Quiet cars? Like a non-smoking section of a restaurant? Intrigued.


Yup.  Amtrak has them and people respect them from what I have observed.
 
2013-08-29 09:24:33 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: Quiet cars?


I see a lot of Teslas in my neighborhood, and I don't even live in a rich neighborhood. They are eerily quiet.
 
2013-08-29 09:25:11 AM

Elegy: Cold_Sassy: Do any present e-cig users recommend a particular brand of e-cig?  I tried NJOY brand, they are O.K. but hard to hit (takes a great deal of effort for nicotine "delivery") They also have a slightly soapy taste.

Some of the other benfits of e-cigs and that your house/car/self don't smell, no ashes mess - I'm on board, just wish I could find a more satisfying brand.

Seconding that request for information. I want a nice vape with a couple of rechargeable batteries, not the cheap disposables you see at the gas station.

Most importantly though, it needs carts made in America that have a farking ingredient list, as I'd prefer to to vaporize anything unknown thats made in China...


A good starting point is an ego battery setup with a Kanger t3s clearomizer. It's a relatively cheap way to get set up rechargeable and refillable. There are plenty of liquid manufacturers in the US. I get mine from The Vapor Room, which makes it down the block from my office. I've also used Johnson Creek in the past, who are very good.
 
2013-08-29 09:25:28 AM

Elegy: I now realize I smoke for simply one reason, and that is spite. I hate you non-smokers with all of my little black farking heart, you obnoxious, self-righteous, whining little farks, my biggest fear, if I quit smoking, is that I'll become one of you.

I have something to tell you non-smokers, and this is for you and you only, because I know for a fact that you don't know this. And I feel it's my duty to pass on information at all times, so that we can all learn, evolve, and get the fark off this planet. Non-smokers, this is for you and you only, ready? Non-smokers die every day. Sleep tight...


Good for you. I quit a long time ago but agree with you re anti smoking zealots. Terrible, terrible people.

/also, on behalf of all non-smokers, thank you for the second hand smoke. We are all getting a gift of free, tasty, enjoyment whenever you walk by.
//although these guys are right that your clothes probably do stink
 
2013-08-29 09:27:29 AM

vartian: This time, the buttinskys are trying to douse the dreaded e-cigarette, a device that supplies a safe nicotine hit to the user without bothering or endangering anybody else.

This is a stretch...we don't know if they are safe, but they probably aren't any worse.


Right now, the mix I'm vaping contains vegetable glycerine (safe), flavoring (safe) and nicotine (no less safe than caffeine).

Now, I suppose I could find a traditional cigarette around here, run it over to a lab, and spend a few days trying to figure out what's in the damn thing.  I'd probably start and end with the tar and be confident that e-cigs are safer and just ignore the thousand or so other additives in regular cigarettes.
 
2013-08-29 09:27:36 AM

Elegy: Seconding that request for information. I want a nice vape with a couple of rechargeable batteries, not the cheap disposables you see at the gas station.


You can buy your own mixings, and find lots of how to videos on youtube. I spent 35 bucks and made 500ML of some delicious juice.

It would cost around 250.00 to buy that much.
 
2013-08-29 09:28:01 AM

LandOfChocolate: Debeo Summa Credo: Quiet cars? Like a non-smoking section of a restaurant? Intrigued.

Yup.  Amtrak has them and people respect them from what I have observed.


So does metro north. My point is having a non-smoking section wasn't good enough for the anti smoking whiners, why should it be good enough for the anti cell phone whiners?
 
2013-08-29 09:28:50 AM
FTA:

H.L. Mencken famously as "the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy."

That describes conservatism too.
 
2013-08-29 09:29:34 AM

Elegy: Cold_Sassy: Do any present e-cig users recommend a particular brand of e-cig?  I tried NJOY brand, they are O.K. but hard to hit (takes a great deal of effort for nicotine "delivery") They also have a slightly soapy taste.

Some of the other benfits of e-cigs and that your house/car/self don't smell, no ashes mess - I'm on board, just wish I could find a more satisfying brand.

Seconding that request for information. I want a nice vape with a couple of rechargeable batteries, not the cheap disposables you see at the gas station.

Most importantly though, it needs carts made in America that have a farking ingredient list, as I'd prefer to to vaporize anything unknown thats made in China...


http://www.blucigs.com/blu-starter-pack

and they use this

http://www.johnsoncreeksmokejuice.com
 
2013-08-29 09:30:23 AM

Cold_Sassy: Do any present e-cig users recommend a particular brand of e-cig?  I tried NJOY brand, they are O.K. but hard to hit (takes a great deal of effort for nicotine "delivery") They also have a slightly soapy taste.

Some of the other benfits of e-cigs and that your house/car/self don't smell, no ashes mess - I'm on board, just wish I could find a more satisfying brand.


Get yourself a couple of eGo Twist or Vision Spinner batteries with a charger, a couple of Kanger EVod tanks (with some spare replaceable atomizer heads), and some well made USA juice.
 
2013-08-29 09:30:30 AM

vartian: we don't know if they are safe


Yes we do
 
2013-08-29 09:31:28 AM
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals."

― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)


shanrick: [imageshack.us image 640x480]


The young man in the photo died of an aneurysm shortly afterwards
 
2013-08-29 09:32:16 AM

AngryDragon: http://www.blucigs.com/blu-starter-pack


Blu is owned by big tobacco. Up your game, because you are inadvertently supporting e-cig bans which are just a convoluted way to corner the market.
 
2013-08-29 09:33:56 AM

vartian: This time, the buttinskys are trying to douse the dreaded e-cigarette, a device that supplies a safe nicotine hit to the user without bothering or endangering anybody else.

This is a stretch...we don't know if they are safe, but they probably aren't any worse.


"Current data do not indicate that exposures to vapors from contaminants in electronic cigarettes warrant a concern"

People started smoking tobacco some 500 years ago, and it wasn't until 1970 or so when those damn Libruls started this, this VENDETTA against smoking that people even started to take the dangers of smoking seriously.

Maybe further studies are warranted before giving them the AOK?
 
2013-08-29 09:34:04 AM

AngryDragon: Elegy: Cold_Sassy: Do any present e-cig users recommend a particular brand of e-cig?  I tried NJOY brand, they are O.K. but hard to hit (takes a great deal of effort for nicotine "delivery") They also have a slightly soapy taste.

Some of the other benfits of e-cigs and that your house/car/self don't smell, no ashes mess - I'm on board, just wish I could find a more satisfying brand.

Seconding that request for information. I want a nice vape with a couple of rechargeable batteries, not the cheap disposables you see at the gas station.

Most importantly though, it needs carts made in America that have a farking ingredient list, as I'd prefer to to vaporize anything unknown thats made in China...

http://www.blucigs.com/blu-starter-pack

and they use this

http://www.johnsoncreeksmokejuice.com


I'm all for the johnson creek juice, but Blu was bought out by Altria, ie Big Tobacco. That and their advertising turns me off from them, especially when there are so many better options.

/like the Provari on its way to me in the mail
 
2013-08-29 09:36:09 AM

s2s2s2: vartian: we don't know if they are safe

Yes we do


The study did not address the effects of nicotine because e-cigarette users are consuming it intentionally...SOURCE Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association

That's a little too biased for me to take without a grain of salt.
 
2013-08-29 09:36:09 AM
If big tobacco wasn't one of the owners of the usa government their horrible product wouldn't be on the shelves at all. i smoke 2-3 packs a day.
 
2013-08-29 09:36:56 AM

Burr: "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals."

― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)


C.S. would be disgusted by today's christianity I guess.
 
2013-08-29 09:39:37 AM

vartian: That's a little too biased for me to take without a grain of salt.


That study wasn't done by CASAA. They are just giving it some publicity. We know the effects of nicotine. The fear mongering is over the other stuff in them. American Spirits are less toxic than Marlboros, but e-cigs are less toxic than American Spirits. If you know what is going into your juice, you really don't have much to worry about.
 
2013-08-29 09:40:12 AM

HotWingConspiracy: C.S. would be disgusted by today's christianity I guess.


Amen!
 
2013-08-29 09:42:02 AM
Since April 2012 I have been using the Blu e-cig and have never looked back.  No smell, trash, ash and overall, it's significantly cheaper than tobacco.  The ONLY thing I don't like is that it seems such a waste to just throw out the cartridges when I'm done.  It'd be nice if they had some kind of returns/recycle program.  I know they can be refilled once or twice but you still have to throw them out at some point.  And as some posters have mentioned, I'm actually more productive at work because I'm not getting up for ten minutes every hour or so to go outside.  Vape in my office and keep plugging away.
 
2013-08-29 09:42:45 AM
My family didn't smoke but I was always surrounded by smokers growing up and didn't think much about it.  Then a lady passed away from second hand smoke, she was the only member of her family who didn't smoke.  Skip over 20 years and we had neighbors who smoked.  They just moved away and we can enjoy the fresh air again from the time before they moved in.  It can be easy to get used to it, but it is sure nice when that stink is no where around.
 
2013-08-29 09:43:41 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: So is a beer keg a "drug delivery device"?


CSB:  I went down to the head shop the other day to pick up a new pint glass due to...uh...someone guy I met dropping it accidentally when he got dizzy from standing up too fast...and while I was looking at the pint glasses and asking about some of the specs, the dude behind the counter said they were apple juice tumblers and if I kept calling them pint glasses I would need to leave the store.  farking war on beer.  It comes from a plant that grows in the dirt for cripes sake!
 
2013-08-29 09:44:38 AM

Luminiferous Aether: s2s2s2: I guess it will surprise no one that the big tobacco corporations are the ones lobbying for these bans, to help pave the say for them to introduce their vaping devices.

Mine:
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I named it LUUUUUUKE

Whatchu got there?

And hey fisker whatchu got there too?

Lookin' for an upgrayyed 's'all.


Here's where I get mine.
 
2013-08-29 09:45:00 AM

Cold_Sassy: Do any present e-cig users recommend a particular brand of e-cig?  I tried NJOY brand, they are O.K. but hard to hit (takes a great deal of effort for nicotine "delivery") They also have a slightly soapy taste.

Some of the other benfits of e-cigs and that your house/car/self don't smell, no ashes mess - I'm on board, just wish I could find a more satisfying brand.


puresmoker.com

They have the best liquid I've found, and I've tried a lot of brands.

As far as the device, I use an eGo. There are different manufacturers and I don't even know who the original one was, but the stuff they sell at Pure Smoker is good. Will probably cost you about $70 or more for the first kit, but after that it's pretty cheap.

Look for a local e-cig shop. Every one I've been to has been very good about letting you try devices and liquids and answering any questions you have.
 
2013-08-29 09:45:57 AM

Elegy: Cold_Sassy: Do any present e-cig users recommend a particular brand of e-cig?  I tried NJOY brand, they are O.K. but hard to hit (takes a great deal of effort for nicotine "delivery") They also have a slightly soapy taste.

Some of the other benfits of e-cigs and that your house/car/self don't smell, no ashes mess - I'm on board, just wish I could find a more satisfying brand.

Seconding that request for information. I want a nice vape with a couple of rechargeable batteries, not the cheap disposables you see at the gas station.

Most importantly though, it needs carts made in America that have a farking ingredient list, as I'd prefer to to vaporize anything unknown thats made in China...


Inferno is the way to go.  All USA-made fda-approved liquids too.

And no, I'm not a paid shill.
 
2013-08-29 09:47:14 AM

Elegy: I now realize I smoke for simply one reason, and that is spite. I hate you non-smokers with all of my little black farking heart, you obnoxious, self-righteous, whining little farks, my biggest fear, if I quit smoking, is that I'll become one of you.

I have something to tell you non-smokers, and this is for you and you only, because I know for a fact that you don't know this. And I feel it's my duty to pass on information at all times, so that we can all learn, evolve, and get the fark off this planet. Non-smokers, this is for you and you only, ready? Non-smokers die every day. Sleep tight...


When smokers quit lighting up wherever the fark they please without bothering to see if anyone objects first, when I quit seeing 50 cigarette butts on the ground for any two other identical pieces of litter, and 3 when smokers quit whining and crying like little girls every time someone says that they don't have the "right" to stink up the clothes and hair of random strangers as well as add carcinogenic particles to their lungs, then maybe you'll have a point.

Show some farking respect for the rest of the planet if you want any in return. Smokers are the most self centered, entitled shiatbags on the planet.

Ecigs? I don't care, at least until you assholes start throwing your waste on the ground all over the place. Seriously, learn to pick up after yourselves. Lazy farks.
 
2013-08-29 09:48:15 AM

HotWingConspiracy: C.S. would be disgusted by today's christianity I guess.


Probably.  But, I use this quote often to reflect how people will try to enforce their will on others because it is "for their own good" and because in their mind it is OK since they view the offending action as "evil" (or in this case disgusting).  I was hesitant to use the entire quote because of the word "disease" which can be attributed to lung cancer being an actual disease, but, I like the full quote (it usually ends with "conscience")
 
2013-08-29 09:50:27 AM

Mikey1969: Ecigs? I don't care, at least until you assholes start throwing your waste on the ground all over the place. Seriously, learn to pick up after yourselves. Lazy farks.


I was never a smoker but started using an ecig when my wife quit.

But anyway, i do agree about the littering thing.  That always bothered me that people seemed to carve out an exception to general decency by chucking butts everywhere.
 
2013-08-29 09:51:37 AM
Question for the e-cig users:
I was in the Philly airport and this guy whipped out an ecig and kept taking hits from it.  Every time he took a hit a large (2') cloud of smoke-like substance would waft up from him.  Whats in that cloud?
 
2013-08-29 09:52:05 AM

Ker_Thwap: Was at open mic night in a crowded little place and a woman two feet away pulled out her e-cig. I noticed absolutely nothing at all. I can see if they added a lot of strange scents as options, then I might be a bit annoyed.


I had somethinglike that happen.

it was only distracting because it looked like a mini lightsaber bong.

No smell, no problem in my book.
 
2013-08-29 09:52:44 AM

JDJoeE: Question for the e-cig users:
I was in the Philly airport and this guy whipped out an ecig and kept taking hits from it.  Every time he took a hit a large (2') cloud of smoke-like substance would waft up from him.  Whats in that cloud?


The same thing that comes from a fog machine, plus traces of food-grade flavorings and whatever nicotine was not absorbed by his lungs.
 
2013-08-29 09:55:53 AM

TheGreatGazoo: I used to work at a cigarette factory (I know what's in them ;-) and hate being around smokers.

But I couldn't give a flip if someone is using an e-cigarette next to me unless it is some nasty flavor.


Yep... I don't care if they look "stupid", that doesn't matter to me. I don't care about the things at all, I don't think they need to be banned, this is just Nosey nancies with nothing better to do. They like to regulate and don't know what to do when they can't. It's kinda like how when DUI arrests finally start dropping, MADD takes that as a sign that it's time to lower the legal BAC.
 
2013-08-29 09:57:40 AM
You can't even buy candy cigarettes anymore.  Joykillers!!!
 
2013-08-29 09:57:55 AM

JDJoeE: Whats in that cloud?


Vegetable glycerin or propylene glycol (or a mixture of the two). Probably a tiny amount of whatever is used for flavoring. Maybe an even tinier amount of nicotine.
 
2013-08-29 09:58:58 AM
 
2013-08-29 10:01:03 AM

EngineerAU: While not all smokers were/are jerks, smoking culture in general was one of exceptionalism.


How did you arrive at this conclusion? Smoking was allowed nearly anywhere, so people smoked. How is that an attitude of "exceptionalism?" If a guy lights a cigarette in a hospital lobby or restaurant knowing that it's not allowed, yes that is douchey. But every smoker I know quietly steps outside to indulge. The only rotten behavior I see these days is from self-righteous pricks who feign an exaggerated coughing fit when you're having a cigarette OUTSIDE.
 
2013-08-29 10:01:16 AM
I'm just gonna step in here and suggest not listening to anyone that recommends njoy, Blu Cig, or any other e-cig that is designed to look like an actual cigarette. Because quite clearly they don't know what they are talking about.

Also blu Cig is owned by big tobacco.
 
2013-08-29 10:02:59 AM

JDJoeE: Whats in that cloud?


Water vapor with trace amounts of nicotine, flavoring, and Vegetable Glycerin(or Propylene Glycol, or a blend of the two).
 
2013-08-29 10:05:52 AM

doyner: Mikey1969: Ecigs? I don't care, at least until you assholes start throwing your waste on the ground all over the place. Seriously, learn to pick up after yourselves. Lazy farks.

I was never a smoker but started using an ecig when my wife quit.

But anyway, i do agree about the littering thing.  That always bothered me that people seemed to carve out an exception to general decency by chucking butts everywhere.


They can't even use that "no ashtray nearby" excuse, I have a friend that learned to field strip his smokes in the Air Force, and they are 100% safe to throw in the trash. Hell, I even think he does it when there's an ashtray handy. Besides, I've seen those same piles next to the ashtrays. And yeah, when it was allowed in public places, it was worse, I can remember walking through the grocery store as a kid and seeing butts on the floor of the store.
 
2013-08-29 10:07:32 AM
Well that escalated quickly.
 
2013-08-29 10:10:25 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: LandOfChocolate: Debeo Summa Credo: Quiet cars? Like a non-smoking section of a restaurant? Intrigued.

Yup.  Amtrak has them and people respect them from what I have observed.

So does metro north. My point is having a non-smoking section wasn't good enough for the anti smoking whiners, why should it be good enough for the anti cell phone whiners?


Because cell phone noise doesn't permeate the fabric of the seats, the floor, the ceilings, etc. of the car and still affect people after the cell phone users have left. This isn't rocket science.
 
2013-08-29 10:11:32 AM

eyemarten: My absolute favorite is watching an obese non-smoker harping about this stuff.

Really? You think you should tell me how to live porky?

Put down the donuts and then we'll talk.


southparkstudios-intl.mtvnimages.com
 
2013-08-29 10:14:36 AM
Nicotine is not the thing to fear in cigarettes or e-cigs.  It's not the thing that stains smokers' fingers or makes their clothes smell or the walls of their houses yellow.  Nicotine doesn't cling to the lungs and turn them black with tumors.

The thing that does that is the tar (and who knows how many other ingredients) in regular cigarettes.

Nicotine itself is a simple, naturally occurring pesticide found in most, if not all, nightshades from tomatoes to peppers to eggplants and more.  I would put it in the same category as caffeine. Yes.  It's toxic in large doses, but it's almost impossible to consume in those doses.

Ecigs remove most (if not all) of the toxins that traditional cigarettes contain, and the amount of nicotine you're inhaling should you walk through a cloud of vapor is probably less than that of sticking your nose over a steaming pot of marinara.
 
2013-08-29 10:15:19 AM
That's for all of the great suggestions in this thread!

After doing some research, I think I'm going to go with new_york_monty's suggestion of an eGo battery with a Kanger clearomizer.

You guys rock....
 
2013-08-29 10:16:50 AM

Vodka Zombie: Nicotine is not the thing to fear in cigarettes or e-cigs.  It's not the thing that stains smokers' fingers or makes their clothes smell or the walls of their houses yellow.  Nicotine doesn't cling to the lungs and turn them black with tumors.

The thing that does that is the tar (and who knows how many other ingredients) in regular cigarettes.

Nicotine itself is a simple, naturally occurring pesticide found in most, if not all, nightshades from tomatoes to peppers to eggplants and more.  I would put it in the same category as caffeine. Yes.  It's toxic in large doses, but it's almost impossible to consume in those doses.

Ecigs remove most (if not all) of the toxins that traditional cigarettes contain, and the amount of nicotine you're inhaling should you walk through a cloud of vapor is probably less than that of sticking your nose over a steaming pot of marinara.


Thanks.  Now they're going to try to ban marinara.
 
2013-08-29 10:17:07 AM
Thanks to everybody who had suggestions on best brands to try.  I had no idea there were so many.  The only one I've seen with any frequency were Blu, but now I see there is SO much more - Yay!!
 
2013-08-29 10:17:31 AM

Elegy: That's for all of the great suggestions in this thread!

After doing some research, I think I'm going to go with new_york_monty's suggestion of an eGo battery with a Kanger clearomizer.

You guys rock....


At least try the Volcano liquid.
 
2013-08-29 10:19:03 AM

new_york_monty: AngryDragon: Elegy: Cold_Sassy: Do any present e-cig users recommend a particular brand of e-cig?  I tried NJOY brand, they are O.K. but hard to hit (takes a great deal of effort for nicotine "delivery") They also have a slightly soapy taste.

Some of the other benfits of e-cigs and that your house/car/self don't smell, no ashes mess - I'm on board, just wish I could find a more satisfying brand.

Seconding that request for information. I want a nice vape with a couple of rechargeable batteries, not the cheap disposables you see at the gas station.

Most importantly though, it needs carts made in America that have a farking ingredient list, as I'd prefer to to vaporize anything unknown thats made in China...

http://www.blucigs.com/blu-starter-pack

and they use this

http://www.johnsoncreeksmokejuice.com

I'm all for the johnson creek juice, but Blu was bought out by Altria, ie Big Tobacco. That and their advertising turns me off from them, especially when there are so many better options.

/like the Provari on its way to me in the mail


God I can't stand that damn Blu commercial. The black and white one with the guy who sounds exactly like Christian Slater and just looks like a douche in general. Something about "it's time to take our freedom back" or some other sensationalist bullshiat.

I'm 2 weeks smoke-free, completely cold turkey, but I also haven't really been drinking which is the main motivation for my smoking. A buddy of mine has a couple of really elaborate e-cigs, but he gets some pretty crazy looks when he whips out the MIB Mind eraser in public and starts puffing on it. I will say it tastes and hits way better than any of the ones I've tried in the gas stations. Still, I'm going to see how long I can go cold turkey. If I happen to be drinking and get the urge maybe I'll try one again.
 
2013-08-29 10:19:22 AM

Elegy: That's for all of the great suggestions in this thread!

After doing some research, I think I'm going to go with new_york_monty's suggestion of an eGo battery with a Kanger clearomizer.

You guys rock....


sounds good.  Pick up some good flavors, and maybe grab a box of the tobacco-flavored Blu cartridges should you find yourself needing a quick fix of tobacco taste (they screw right into the 510 threads and are great for the occasional hit).
 
2013-08-29 10:21:59 AM

AngryDragon: Cold_Sassy: Do any present e-cig users recommend a particular brand of e-cig?  I tried NJOY brand, they are O.K. but hard to hit (takes a great deal of effort for nicotine "delivery") They also have a slightly soapy taste.

Some of the other benfits of e-cigs and that your house/car/self don't smell, no ashes mess - I'm on board, just wish I could find a more satisfying brand.

Blu.  Best I've tried hands down.


Blu is a good 510 type but is fairly pricey (15$ per 5 pack of cartridges) . If you plan on vaping long term I would look into an ego twist or something similar. For the same price of the Blu starter kit (60$) you can get yourself a very nice ego setup with a fark load of liquid/juice. Also I've had more than one bum cartridge in a Blu pack store usually takes them back, but still annoying and Blu just basically said "oh sorry kthanksbye" when I called them. I will say that the Blu tobacco flavor is nice. Im currently using a Ego EVOD (bottom coil) atomizer with two 950ohm batteries purchased from fasttech for 18$ shipped from china (takes about a week weekandahalf).
 
2013-08-29 10:25:46 AM

Elegy: That's for all of the great suggestions in this thread!

After doing some research, I think I'm going to go with new_york_monty's suggestion of an eGo battery with a Kanger clearomizer.

You guys rock....


I think you'll like it a lot. Good luck!
 
2013-08-29 10:26:05 AM

Elegy: And the fact that quitting was easy with an e-cig gives me hope, as I'm planning on moving to an e-cig soon...


I've been smoking a pack of Marlboros a day, more or less, for 35 years. Bought a Blu a couple weeks ago, slowly weaning myself off the Marbs. Start replacing every fourth cig with a vape, then every third, then every other one. Bingo. You're now a vaper and the stench is off your clothes.

Bonus: I can "smoke" at my computer again!

*vapes*
 
2013-08-29 10:26:49 AM

dickfreckle: eyemarten: My absolute favorite is watching an obese non-smoker harping about this stuff.

Really? You think you should tell me how to live porky?

Put down the donuts and then we'll talk.

[southparkstudios-intl.mtvnimages.com image 480x360]


That was one of the best episodes of Southpark ever. They really ripped on the sanctimonious Mr. Reiner.
 
2013-08-29 10:26:59 AM

Elegy: Cold_Sassy: Do any present e-cig users recommend a particular brand of e-cig?  I tried NJOY brand, they are O.K. but hard to hit (takes a great deal of effort for nicotine "delivery") They also have a slightly soapy taste.

Some of the other benfits of e-cigs and that your house/car/self don't smell, no ashes mess - I'm on board, just wish I could find a more satisfying brand.

Seconding that request for information. I want a nice vape with a couple of rechargeable batteries, not the cheap disposables you see at the gas station.

Most importantly though, it needs carts made in America that have a farking ingredient list, as I'd prefer to to vaporize anything unknown thats made in China...


You can make your own liquid and buy refillable cartridges very easily seeing as there's only four basic and easily purchased ingredients.
 
2013-08-29 10:29:29 AM

Elegy: I now realize I smoke for simply one reason, and that is spite. I hate you non-smokers with all of my little black farking heart, you obnoxious, self-righteous, whining little farks, my biggest fear, if I quit smoking, is that I'll become one of you.

I have something to tell you non-smokers, and this is for you and you only, because I know for a fact that you don't know this. And I feel it's my duty to pass on information at all times, so that we can all learn, evolve, and get the fark off this planet. Non-smokers, this is for you and you only, ready? Non-smokers die every day. Sleep tight...


lol
you sound wheezy through your yellowed teeth
 
2013-08-29 10:29:30 AM
OK guys use your powers of common sense.  E-cigs are safer than cigarettes, in the sense that nicotine vapor is free of the thousands of carcinogens that are produced when you smoke tobacco, therefore there is a reasonable expectation that they won't give you cancer.  E-cigs are the same as cigarettes in that they deliver the same "rush" as cigarettes due to the nicotine, as in constriction of the blood vessels and increased heart rate, both of which tax your circulatory system causing the stroke and heart attack risks associated with cigarette use.  So yes, E-cigarettes are safer than cigarettes, and people should use them over actual cigarettes.  Safe, though?  Don't kid yourself.
 
2013-08-29 10:30:35 AM

dpaul007: Elegy: And the fact that quitting was easy with an e-cig gives me hope, as I'm planning on moving to an e-cig soon...

I've been smoking a pack of Marlboros a day, more or less, for 35 years. Bought a Blu a couple weeks ago, slowly weaning myself off the Marbs. Start replacing every fourth cig with a vape, then every third, then every other one. Bingo. You're now a vaper and the stench is off your clothes.

Bonus: I can "smoke" at my computer again!

*vapes*


Wait until you discover the passthrough eGo batteries.  Plug it right into your USB and vape away.

The Blu batteries are trash and didn't really help me out.  I'd burn through one, the other wasn't charged all the way, I'd burn through that, and before I knew it, I'm grabbing for a smoke while waiting for two batteries to get into working order.
 
2013-08-29 10:33:14 AM

litmusdragon: OK guys use your powers of common sense.  E-cigs are safer than cigarettes, in the sense that nicotine vapor is free of the thousands of carcinogens that are produced when you smoke tobacco, therefore there is a reasonable expectation that they won't give you cancer.  E-cigs are the same as cigarettes in that they deliver the same "rush" as cigarettes due to the nicotine, as in constriction of the blood vessels and increased heart rate, both of which tax your circulatory system causing the stroke and heart attack risks associated with cigarette use.  So yes, E-cigarettes are safer than cigarettes, and people should use them over actual cigarettes.  Safe, though?  Don't kid yourself.


Yeah.  I had the same sort of complaints when someone told me that Di-hydrogen-monoxide was "safe."
 
2013-08-29 10:34:52 AM

Elegy: That's for all of the great suggestions in this thread!

After doing some research, I think I'm going to go with new_york_monty's suggestion of an eGo battery with a Kanger clearomizer.

You guys rock....


This is my eGo 900mah battery with Kanger Protank II:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-29 10:35:30 AM

Vodka Zombie: litmusdragon: OK guys use your powers of common sense.  E-cigs are safer than cigarettes, in the sense that nicotine vapor is free of the thousands of carcinogens that are produced when you smoke tobacco, therefore there is a reasonable expectation that they won't give you cancer.  E-cigs are the same as cigarettes in that they deliver the same "rush" as cigarettes due to the nicotine, as in constriction of the blood vessels and increased heart rate, both of which tax your circulatory system causing the stroke and heart attack risks associated with cigarette use.  So yes, E-cigarettes are safer than cigarettes, and people should use them over actual cigarettes.  Safe, though?  Don't kid yourself.

Yeah.  I had the same sort of complaints when someone told me that Di-hydrogen-monoxide was "safe."


Jesus, man, you think that stuff is safe?! Do you know how many people drown in it each year? It's hell on society, I tell you, and I don't know why we stand for it.
 
2013-08-29 10:36:58 AM

Elegy: That's for all of the great suggestions in this thread!

After doing some research, I think I'm going to go with new_york_monty's suggestion of an eGo battery with a Kanger clearomizer.

You guys rock....


Get a kanger mini protank 2. Juice tastes better when it's not in a plastic tank!
 
2013-08-29 10:37:10 AM

new_york_monty: Vodka Zombie: litmusdragon: OK guys use your powers of common sense.  E-cigs are safer than cigarettes, in the sense that nicotine vapor is free of the thousands of carcinogens that are produced when you smoke tobacco, therefore there is a reasonable expectation that they won't give you cancer.  E-cigs are the same as cigarettes in that they deliver the same "rush" as cigarettes due to the nicotine, as in constriction of the blood vessels and increased heart rate, both of which tax your circulatory system causing the stroke and heart attack risks associated with cigarette use.  So yes, E-cigarettes are safer than cigarettes, and people should use them over actual cigarettes.  Safe, though?  Don't kid yourself.

Yeah.  I had the same sort of complaints when someone told me that Di-hydrogen-monoxide was "safe."

Jesus, man, you think that stuff is safe?! Do you know how many people drown in it each year? It's hell on society, I tell you, and I don't know why we stand for it.


I know.  And now they make it with bubbles and flavorings DESIGNED to attract children. We need to think of the children!
 
2013-08-29 10:39:36 AM

litmusdragon: OK guys use your powers of common sense.  E-cigs are safer than cigarettes, in the sense that nicotine vapor is free of the thousands of carcinogens that are produced when you smoke tobacco, therefore there is a reasonable expectation that they won't give you cancer.  E-cigs are the same as cigarettes in that they deliver the same "rush" as cigarettes due to the nicotine, as in constriction of the blood vessels and increased heart rate, both of which tax your circulatory system causing the stroke and heart attack risks associated with cigarette use.  So yes, E-cigarettes are safer than cigarettes, and people should use them over actual cigarettes.  Safe, though?  Don't kid yourself.


Safer than a ride in a car.
 
2013-08-29 10:41:22 AM

EngineerAU: [www.logosdatabase.com image 139x140]
(hot, like stepping bare footed on a smoldering cigarette butt)

For close to a century smokers have acted like entitled obnoxious jerks and now they're surprised few have sympathy for them anymore? While not all smokers were/are jerks, smoking culture in general was one of exceptionalism. Blow back was bound to happen eventually and it's a bit too late to say "can't we just get along?"


Much like WVU football fans.
 
2013-08-29 10:47:54 AM

James!: I think Ecigs would have a better time if they dropped the association with cigarettes all together.  Make them look more like asthma inhalers than cigarettes and see if anyone gives a shiat.


I like this idea.

Smoker who dabbles in e-cigs.
 
2013-08-29 10:48:58 AM

LandOfChocolate: E-cigarettes use replaceable cartridges in which nicotine or flavors are heated, vaporized, and inhaled
...
In fact, the inability to show proof of harm was one of the reasons the Food and Drug Administration's 2010 bid to control e-cigarettes as a "drug-delivery device"

I guess proof of harm is necessary to legally classify them that way but the sole purpose of the device is to deliver the drug, nicotine.  I'm not sure what the big deal is here.


If the FDA classifies e-cigs as a "drug delivery device" then vapers would need a prescription to purchase them... theraputic effects and whatnot.  You effectively remove all vaping devices from the shelves and put them in the hands of doctors, require a prescription to get them, and saddle the insurance companies with the responsibility of covering the costs (yeah right!).  Why do that when regular cigs are KNOWN to be harmful (likely orders of magnitude more harmful) is beyond me.  Oh yeah, money.  Tax money, lobbying money, big tobacco money...

/Starting vaping before Xmas last year when the doc found a couple of spots on my lungs, haven't touched a cigarette since
//They were determined to be benign, thank you flying spaghetti monster
 
2013-08-29 10:52:46 AM

vegaswench: James!: I think Ecigs would have a better time if they dropped the association with cigarettes all together.  Make them look more like asthma inhalers than cigarettes and see if anyone gives a shiat.

I like this idea.

Smoker who dabbles in e-cigs.


You're thinking of Nicotrol by Pfizer.  Same ingredients, same results, just controlled by big pharma and approved for prescription use.
 
2013-08-29 10:54:22 AM
So,

How long before the tax man clamps down on the ingredients and devices?

You don't think the govt is just going to let all those revenues go up in vapor do you?

No, I'm not sure what the justification will be.  Probably something along the lines of, "Fark you - that's why."
 
2013-08-29 10:54:32 AM

vegaswench: James!: I think Ecigs would have a better time if they dropped the association with cigarettes all together.  Make them look more like asthma inhalers than cigarettes and see if anyone gives a shiat.

I like this idea.

Smoker who dabbles in e-cigs.


My wife and I already do this.  We started after an ashmatic on a bus in Boston asked us if they were inhalers.  He then showed us his (actual) inhaler, which was rather bulky, and then mused about creating one that would model the ecig design.

Our takeaway was that if an ashmatic person, in close quarters, had no problem with them then why the hell should anyone else?

The guy was some MIT faculty member, BTW.  Not exactly a moron....
 
2013-08-29 10:56:17 AM

Cold_Sassy: Do any present e-cig users recommend a particular brand of e-cig?  I tried NJOY brand, they are O.K. but hard to hit (takes a great deal of effort for nicotine "delivery") They also have a slightly soapy taste.

Some of the other benfits of e-cigs and that your house/car/self don't smell, no ashes mess - I'm on board, just wish I could find a more satisfying brand.


Kanger T2 Cartomizer , eGo-T  battery, green Apple flavor VG/PG juice. Great for beginners ... cheap, easy to find and one tank and charge lasts all day.
 
2013-08-29 10:56:47 AM
I use a V2 the batteries with cartrige attached fit perfectly in the pen pockets on my uniform, and the refillable tanks are adequate.  If I sat around more the big tanks and huge batteries would probably be great.
 
2013-08-29 11:01:29 AM

Slaxl: Elegy: I now realize I smoke for simply one reason, and that is spite. I hate you non-smokers with all of my little black farking heart, you obnoxious, self-righteous, whining little farks, my biggest fear, if I quit smoking, is that I'll become one of you.

I have something to tell you non-smokers, and this is for you and you only, because I know for a fact that you don't know this. And I feel it's my duty to pass on information at all times, so that we can all learn, evolve, and get the fark off this planet. Non-smokers, this is for you and you only, ready? Non-smokers die every day. Sleep tight...

Bill Hicks was a funny man, I was a smoker when I first saw him. I'm glad I didn't turn into a self righteous anti-smoker when I quit.

e-cigarettes made quitting easy and almost incidental.


Yes

Without e-cigs I would still be smoking a pack a day - I now smoke one a month.
 
2013-08-29 11:03:01 AM

ralanprod: So,

How long before the tax man clamps down on the ingredients and devices?

You don't think the govt is just going to let all those revenues go up in vapor do you?

No, I'm not sure what the justification will be.  Probably something along the lines of, "Fark you - that's why."


Yeah, it's coming, I'm sure.
 
2013-08-29 11:11:11 AM

doyner: Elegy: That's for all of the great suggestions in this thread!

After doing some research, I think I'm going to go with new_york_monty's suggestion of an eGo battery with a Kanger clearomizer.

You guys rock....

At least try the Volcano liquid.


I will, and thanks for the suggestion on the vape. I'm thinking the eGo because its cheaper and seems to be compatable with more accessories.
 
2013-08-29 11:15:08 AM
My boyfriend uses the V2 kind, and it's awesome because not only did he stop smoking (wasn't too heavy, a few a day) but he also stopped chewing which is a big deal, since that has a much larger "kick" to it than cigarettes, I hear. For me, it's nice that there's no smell & no more spitters in the house. He does complain a little about the batteries and he didn't feel the refill liquid was as good as the regular cartridges. If you buy cigs in Chicago, and you switch to V2 you save around $7-10 a pack.

/ also Metra has quiet cars on their trains, so you can drink and "smoke" in peace
 
2013-08-29 11:17:28 AM
I would like to mention that E-cigs do have a smell, though that smell is relatively minor compared to a regular cigarette.  Also, it doesn't linger for more than a couple of seconds, so it isn't like when I would have to come home after going to a bar smelling like an ash tray even though I don't smoke.  (Not that it is legal to smoke in bars around here anymore.)
 
2013-08-29 11:20:04 AM

imfallen_angel: Elegy: And the fact that quitting was easy with an e-cig gives me hope, as I'm planning on moving to an e-cig soon...

My wife smoked for most of her life, tried to quit every possible way (seriously... everything)... the e-cig worked overnight.


Same here. Makes you seriously wonder about the motivations of everyone who wants to mess with that.
 
2013-08-29 11:24:30 AM

Elegy: That's for all of the great suggestions in this thread!

After doing some research, I think I'm going to go with new_york_monty's suggestion of an eGo battery with a Kanger clearomizer.

You guys rock....


I'd highly recommend that whatever clearomizer you get, you make it a pyrex one, rather than one of the polycarbonate ones.  Like the Kanger ProTank rather than the T3s.  Most every fruit flavor and several of the beverage flavors will straight up melt polycarbonate plastic tanks.   So not only will it dissolve and spill nicotine liquid everywhere, you're also inhaling that crap while it still manages to hold together.

I use a Smoktech ARO Pyrex with 1.8 Ohm dual coils, and a stainless steel eGo battery from my eGo-C starter kit from over a year and a half ago.
 
2013-08-29 11:25:21 AM

tetsoushima: I would like to mention that E-cigs do have a smell, though that smell is relatively minor compared to a regular cigarette.  Also, it doesn't linger for more than a couple of seconds, so it isn't like when I would have to come home after going to a bar smelling like an ash tray even though I don't smoke.  (Not that it is legal to smoke in bars around here anymore.)


Yes, and it's completely dependent on the flavor of the liquid. Every one of my nonsmoker friends (with the exception of an ex) enjoys the smell of the liquid I usually use (hazelnut tobacco--smells yummy!). The nonsmoking girl I'm dating now will stick her face in front of me for a whiff when I exhale, and she can't stand cigarette smoke.

The one person who disapproved was a an old smoker buddy who chainsmoked Marlboro reds in his car as he biatched about the sweet, cookie-like smell of my e-cig. My other smoker buddy in the car didn't mind the smell at all, but found the whole thing pretty damned funny.
 
2013-08-29 11:27:14 AM
Friends of mine in the Kansas City area have started making juices and sell them at http://rocketfuelvapes.com/ I particularly like the Ol River Tobacco blend
 
2013-08-29 11:34:27 AM
I'm just going to back up what a few have already said. If you want to start, get yourself an eGo battery (I like the eGo C Twist which gives you variable voltage) and one of the Kanger Protank 2 series clearomizers.

Here is a good resource with more info than you can imagine. You can find anything you need to know.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/

My favorite juice vendor: White Rabbit is so good.

http://vapeland.org/
 
2013-08-29 11:40:34 AM

ChuDogg: I'm just gonna step in here and suggest not listening to anyone that recommends njoy, Blu Cig, or any other e-cig that is designed to look like an actual cigarette. Because quite clearly they don't know what they are talking about.


I second this motion. Get something with a refillable tank and a large enough battery to last a full day or don't even bother.
 
2013-08-29 11:40:58 AM
Rockin a ZMAX with dual coil cartomizer pyrex tank and delicious homemade strawberry lemonade juice.  Anti-Ecig people can fark right off.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-29 11:46:07 AM

EngineerAU: smoking culture in general was one of exceptionalism


You mean like when you could smoke literally anywhere?  At work, at church, on an airplane, at the movies, on a bus, etc?  Like when soldiers were given packs of Lucky Strikes in their supplies?  Like when 30-40% of the US population smoked?  Is that what you meant?

/former 1+ pack a day smoker - thanks Chantix!
 
2013-08-29 12:14:04 PM
Waiting for the one that looks like Vader's Lightsaber.
 
2013-08-29 12:18:10 PM
eyemarten: Really? You think you should tell me how to live porky?  Put down the donuts and then we'll talk.

Unlikely, considering you've already admitted to wishing you could physically harm people who make you feel ostracized because of your choices.

Smoking is a badge of honor for "fierce individualists" everywhere. If you're going to continue to smoke, maybe you should act like a farking man, and not be so sensitive about what non-smokers whisper to each other while they quietly judge you.
 
2013-08-29 12:18:53 PM
Right now, I've got an ego twist with some Halo Cafe-Mocha (with a little vanilla I tossed in) in the little plastic Joye tank.  In another tank on another twist, I've got some Hawaiian Punch.  And, on an eGo-C battery, I've got a Blu Cherry Crush cartridge (I grabbed them when I was at the store and my tank ran out.  They work great in a pinch).

My Protanks are sitting on the edge of my sink getting dry.
 

GanjSmokr: thanks Chantix!


Man...  I'm afraid to try those meds.  Ages ago (like, 15 years-ish), a friend's wife was on Zyban, and it freaked her right the hell out.  She was terrified (almost to the point of screaming and crippling panic) whenever she saw anything even remotely related to smoking (lighters, ash trays, people on TV, and friends who still smoked).

Eventually, she managed to quit, but those early drugs were terrifying.  Glad the Chantrix worked for you.  I'm thinking those things will be a last resort for me.  But, I'm doing well on the e-cigs.  Went from smoking two packs a day to smoking less than two packs a week or so.  The first time I started vaping, it dawned on me that I'd not had a cigarette in two days, and I didn't even realize it.
 
2013-08-29 12:19:20 PM
I see plenty of these large vaporizers, but do they make anything shorter? It isn't the girth I have an issue with, but the overall length (That's a sentence I never thought I would type). I'm kicking the habit slowly, having just picked up a Blu (I know, I know, don't roast me yet) starter kit at a gas station one day.
My problem is I'm a barge welder, and spend most of my nights high off the floor wearing a harness welding overhead. Something that takes up that much space in my pockets would be a hindrance I presume.
 
2013-08-29 12:20:42 PM

stuffy: Waiting for the one that looks like Vader's Lightsaber.


I've got a friend making a sonic screwdriver.  I think the lightsaber would be cool, but probably a little big and unwieldy and about as clumsy as a blaster..  No one wants e-cigs from a more elegant age, after all.
 
2013-08-29 12:22:44 PM

croesius: I see plenty of these large vaporizers, but do they make anything shorter? It isn't the girth I have an issue with, but the overall length (That's a sentence I never thought I would type). I'm kicking the habit slowly, having just picked up a Blu (I know, I know, don't roast me yet) starter kit at a gas station one day.
My problem is I'm a barge welder, and spend most of my nights high off the floor wearing a harness welding overhead. Something that takes up that much space in my pockets would be a hindrance I presume.


I just ordered a Provari, which is one of the biggies. I know they make a 'mini' version too, which is stubby but shorter. If you're worried about pocket space, you could always pick up a lanyard and tuck it beneath your shirt/coveralls.
 
2013-08-29 12:26:49 PM

croesius: I see plenty of these large vaporizers, but do they make anything shorter? It isn't the girth I have an issue with, but the overall length (That's a sentence I never thought I would type). I'm kicking the habit slowly, having just picked up a Blu (I know, I know, don't roast me yet) starter kit at a gas station one day.
My problem is I'm a barge welder, and spend most of my nights high off the floor wearing a harness welding overhead. Something that takes up that much space in my pockets would be a hindrance I presume.


The Joye 510 is about the same size as a Blu and the battery last longer and has more oomph.  The standard Joye eGo-C battery is a little bit thicker, but still very short (smaller than a lighter) and lasts a lot longer and both can take the Blu cartridges.

That's what turned me off of the Blu batteries.  They just don't last all that long between charges.
 
2013-08-29 12:30:04 PM

addy2: imfallen_angel: Elegy: And the fact that quitting was easy with an e-cig gives me hope, as I'm planning on moving to an e-cig soon...

My wife smoked for most of her life, tried to quit every possible way (seriously... everything)... the e-cig worked overnight.

Same here. Makes you seriously wonder about the motivations of everyone who wants to mess with that.


It doesn't make me wonder. I know a morally bankrupt subhuman sack of fark who would do anything to line their own pockets when I see one.
 
2013-08-29 12:35:13 PM

s2s2s2: I guess it will surprise no one that the big tobacco corporations are the ones lobbying for these bans, to help pave the say for them to introduce their vaping devices.


No they're not. They're buying the "cig-alike" companies up (see: Lorillard buying Blu). It's big pharma lobbying against ecigs because it's a more effective smoking cessation product that's a hell of a lot cheaper than their products.
 
2013-08-29 12:36:19 PM

I want your skull: s2s2s2: I guess it will surprise no one that the big tobacco corporations are the ones lobbying for these bans, to help pave the say for them to introduce their vaping devices.

No they're not. They're buying the "cig-alike" companies up (see: Lorillard buying Blu). It's big pharma lobbying against ecigs because it's a more effective smoking cessation product that's a hell of a lot cheaper than their products.


I guess it will surprise no one that s2s2s2 is wrong again.
 
2013-08-29 12:38:25 PM

Vodka Zombie: Man...  I'm afraid to try those meds.


Agreed. The Chantix warning even includes this: "Serious neuropsychiatric events including, but not limited to, depression, suicidal ideation, suicide attempt, and completed suicide have been reported in patients taking Chantix. "

I chose to quit and used the patch to help. I'll still let people smoke in my car though, so not all reformed smokers turn into proselytizing puritans.
 
2013-08-29 12:39:07 PM

Vodka Zombie: GanjSmokr: thanks Chantix!

Man...  I'm afraid to try those meds.  Ages ago (like, 15 years-ish), a friend's wife was on Zyban, and it freaked her right the hell out.  She was terrified (almost to the point of screaming and crippling panic) whenever she saw anything even remotely related to smoking (lighters, ash trays, people on TV, and friends who still smoked).

Eventually, she managed to quit, but those early drugs were terrifying.  Glad the Chantrix worked for you.  I'm thinking those things will be a last resort for me.  But, I'm doing well on the e-cigs.  Went from smoking two packs a day to smoking less than two packs a week or so.  The first time I started vaping, it dawned on me that I'd not had a cigarette in two days, and I didn't even realize it.


I didn't have any reactions quite that bad.  I had some CRAZY dreams and was pretty moody while I was taking it.  Had some strange thoughts creep around in my awake brain as well.  It really changes the way your brain works from what I read.

I had tried everything else.  Gum, inhalers, e-cigs, patches - nothing really did it for me.   Chantix was a last resort, but it did the trick.  Smoked for 20+ years (and tried to quit unsuccessfully probably a dozen times) before I quit.  After quitting, I've had a drag off a friend's cig probably 5 times in the last 3 years (always when drinking).  Never made me want to start up again though.
 
2013-08-29 12:39:35 PM
So you're telling me that despite enacting "common sense regulation" and "reasonable restrictions" the anti-smoking groups continue to attack people's freedoms?
Huh, well, I'm sure the same thing won't happen with gun control right?
Right...?
Anyone....?
 
2013-08-29 12:43:25 PM

Pangea: Vodka Zombie: Man...  I'm afraid to try those meds.

Agreed. The Chantix warning even includes this: "Serious neuropsychiatric events including, but not limited to, depression, suicidal ideation, suicide attempt, and completed suicide have been reported in patients taking Chantix. "

I chose to quit and used the patch to help. I'll still let people smoke in my car though, so not all reformed smokers turn into proselytizing puritans.


Sadly, I have turned into one of those puritans in my car and house.

I don't look down on people at all for smoking cigs but the smell really does stick around and it's strong.  I never noticed it when I was a smoker of course.  Once I quit, I could smell my other buddies who still smoked.  Didn't ever realize while I was smoking (or even think about it) that I smelled like that.

I'm not a complete prick though.  If you're riding with me, I'm more than happy to stop on the side of the road to let you have a smoke.  I remember what it's like to have that craving.
 
2013-08-29 12:47:42 PM
All the smokers in my office use ecigs.  Every. One.  No more running down to the parking lot for smoke breaks, etc.  Though, I do have to listen to that "chhhhhhhhh" sound of them sucking on them all day.  And you know what? It doesn't really bother me.

They all use various flavors (as I understand most people do). I never smell it.  I sit no more than 5 feet away from my closest cube neighbor and I never smell it.  In fact, the only time I've smelled the vapor was when I was in the (small) elevator with a coworker and he took a drag.  And it smelled lovely.
 
2013-08-29 12:51:37 PM

ChaosStar: So you're telling me that despite enacting "common sense regulation" and "reasonable restrictions" the anti-smoking groups continue to attack people's freedoms?
Huh, well, I'm sure the same thing won't happen with gun control right?
Right...?
Anyone....?


Go away.

Just...  go!
 
2013-08-29 12:54:52 PM

Vodka Zombie: ChaosStar: So you're telling me that despite enacting "common sense regulation" and "reasonable restrictions" the anti-smoking groups continue to attack people's freedoms?
Huh, well, I'm sure the same thing won't happen with gun control right?
Right...?
Anyone....?

Go away.

Just...  go!


Nope, not happening, because this is a perfect example of what happens.
You go.
 
2013-08-29 12:56:25 PM

ChaosStar: So you're telling me that despite enacting "common sense regulation" and "reasonable restrictions" the anti-smoking groups continue to attack people's freedoms?
Huh, well, I'm sure the same thing won't happen with gun control right?
Right...?
Anyone....?


That comparison would be valid if gun owners only shot themselves, and if the resulting second-hand lead caused people around them to die at a slower rate. Unless you're also in denial that second-hand smoke can cause cancer.
 
2013-08-29 12:57:48 PM

Pangea: ChaosStar: So you're telling me that despite enacting "common sense regulation" and "reasonable restrictions" the anti-smoking groups continue to attack people's freedoms?
Huh, well, I'm sure the same thing won't happen with gun control right?
Right...?
Anyone....?

That comparison would be valid if gun owners only shot themselves, and if the resulting second-hand lead caused people around them to die at a slower rate. Unless you're also in denial that second-hand smoke can cause cancer.


Don't encourage the thread-jack.
 
2013-08-29 01:04:24 PM

Tigger: addy2: imfallen_angel: Elegy: And the fact that quitting was easy with an e-cig gives me hope, as I'm planning on moving to an e-cig soon...

My wife smoked for most of her life, tried to quit every possible way (seriously... everything)... the e-cig worked overnight.

Same here. Makes you seriously wonder about the motivations of everyone who wants to mess with that.

It doesn't make me wonder. I know a morally bankrupt subhuman sack of fark who would do anything to line their own pockets when I see one.


I'm just in denial.
 
2013-08-29 01:07:14 PM

Pangea: ChaosStar: So you're telling me that despite enacting "common sense regulation" and "reasonable restrictions" the anti-smoking groups continue to attack people's freedoms?
Huh, well, I'm sure the same thing won't happen with gun control right?
Right...?
Anyone....?

That comparison would be valid if gun owners only shot themselves, and if the resulting second-hand lead caused people around them to die at a slower rate. Unless you're also in denial that second-hand smoke can cause cancer.


I don't think you know what valid means.
No one is comparing the outcome of using either product, I merely point out that anti-smoking advocates, despite making it all but impossible to smoke , have not stopped with their regulations and bans. Why should I expect anti-firearm people to be any different?
I know, you're being deliberately obtuse.
 
2013-08-29 01:18:59 PM

ChaosStar: Pangea: ChaosStar: So you're telling me that despite enacting "common sense regulation" and "reasonable restrictions" the anti-smoking groups continue to attack people's freedoms?
Huh, well, I'm sure the same thing won't happen with gun control right?
Right...?
Anyone....?

That comparison would be valid if gun owners only shot themselves, and if the resulting second-hand lead caused people around them to die at a slower rate. Unless you're also in denial that second-hand smoke can cause cancer.

I don't think you know what valid means.
No one is comparing the outcome of using either product, I merely point out that anti-smoking advocates, despite making it all but impossible to smoke , have not stopped with their regulations and bans. Why should I expect anti-firearm people to be any different?
I know, you're being deliberately obtuse.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-29 01:20:56 PM
It's all about money. SUPER TAX the smokes step one. Addicts keep on smoking step two. Profit from the tax and make poor and middle class less wealthy then they allready aren't while fronting it as a deterrent for teenage smoking.

WHAT! Step 3 didn't work and now they are moving to a healthier standard tax alternative?!?!? MAKE IT ILLEAGLE!

We really need to find a way as a people to outvote our elected officials and veto bullshiat.
 
2013-08-29 01:23:56 PM
Anyone else notice that it is Democrat-dominated cities and states that are crusading against E-cigarettes?

So, try to convince me that, fundamentally, when it comes to government domination of private life, just how are Democrats actually different from Republicans? All I can see is that they go full retard fascist on different issues, but they're both happy to go full retard fascist at the drop of a hat.
 
2013-08-29 01:24:30 PM
My husband and I switched over to Blu on May 15th of this year.  I have since completely quit even using those (yay, me!).  He, however is a very heavy user and has actually burnt out 3 out of the 4 batteries now.  I'm debating between buying him another set of batteries, (and keeping the receipt for the warranty) or trying another brand. Apollo is looking like a good option.  Any advice?
 
2013-08-29 01:27:43 PM
Anyone who wants to ban e-cigs is a farktard.

/non-smoker
 
2013-08-29 01:56:32 PM

Silly_Sot: Anyone else notice that it is Democrat-dominated cities and states that are crusading against E-cigarettes?



images.sodahead.com
 
2013-08-29 01:57:36 PM

politech: Cold_Sassy: Do any present e-cig users recommend a particular brand of e-cig?  I tried NJOY brand, they are O.K. but hard to hit (takes a great deal of effort for nicotine "delivery") They also have a slightly soapy taste.

Some of the other benfits of e-cigs and that your house/car/self don't smell, no ashes mess - I'm on board, just wish I could find a more satisfying brand.

Kanger T2 Cartomizer , eGo-T  battery, green Apple flavor VG/PG juice. Great for beginners ... cheap, easy to find and one tank and charge lasts all day.


Thank you :)
 
2013-08-29 02:02:47 PM

stuffy: Waiting for the one that looks like Vader's Lightsaber.


I already posted a picture of one(mine) that does. Pretty sure it was based on a lightsaber.

www.gotvapes.com
It's the one on the left. That's a Vamo on the right.
 
2013-08-29 02:30:51 PM

Vodka Zombie: Silly_Sot: Anyone else notice that it is Democrat-dominated cities and states that are crusading against E-cigarettes?


[images.sodahead.com image 267x200]


Exactly. You never see anybody on this site use the actions of a couple of ass-hats in red states to generalize about everyone whose politics are right of center. This demonization of only folks on the left MUST BE STOPPED.
 
2013-08-29 02:56:17 PM

Cold_Sassy: Do any present e-cig users recommend a particular brand of e-cig?  I tried NJOY brand, they are O.K. but hard to hit (takes a great deal of effort for nicotine "delivery") They also have a slightly soapy taste.

Some of the other benfits of e-cigs and that your house/car/self don't smell, no ashes mess - I'm on board, just wish I could find a more satisfying brand.


Kanger Protank. farking amazing, it is.

Couldn't get completely off cigarettes on the Vivi Nova with the EGo twist for the past 4 months or so. Switched to a Kanger Protank on a VAMO V3 last month and tried a regular cigarette last week and damned near vomited.

/was a two pack a day smoker for about 25 years
//now just the smell of cigarette smoke makes me nauseous
///I keep my distaste of cigarette smoke to myself and simply walk away. No need to be a biatch
 
2013-08-29 02:59:31 PM

JDJoeE: Question for the e-cig users:
I was in the Philly airport and this guy whipped out an ecig and kept taking hits from it.  Every time he took a hit a large (2') cloud of smoke-like substance would waft up from him.  Whats in that cloud?


Propylene Glycol and water.

Also known as air freshener.

I shiat you not. That is, quite literally all that is in that cloud.
 
2013-08-29 03:08:11 PM

s2s2s2: stuffy: Waiting for the one that looks like Vader's Lightsaber.

I already posted a picture of one(mine) that does. Pretty sure it was based on a lightsaber.

[www.gotvapes.com image 700x744]
It's the one on the left. That's a Vamo on the right.


Older VAMO, no? The V3 that I have has lines down it and it a bit more automated (automatically drops into the proper vape mode so you don't have to dick with the settings except ohms and voltage).

Where I got mine

Mine looks like this, only in black chrome:

fasttechcdn.com
 
2013-08-29 03:09:14 PM
Damn, that is a long, whiny article over a movement that so far hasn't managed to even get off the ground. Really, he lumps not allowing teens to buy them with general e-cig bans?

Yes, people are stupid, and some people choose to be stupid over any vestige of smoking. Why is this unexpected? The crushing weight of the millions of people experiencing their smoke without ill effect will overwhelm the Stop Having Fun Guys before they get going.
 
2013-08-29 03:17:06 PM

litmusdragon: OK guys use your powers of common sense.  E-cigs are safer than cigarettes, in the sense that nicotine vapor is free of the thousands of carcinogens that are produced when you smoke tobacco, therefore there is a reasonable expectation that they won't give you cancer.  E-cigs are the same as cigarettes in that they deliver the same "rush" as cigarettes due to the nicotine, as in constriction of the blood vessels and increased heart rate, both of which tax your circulatory system causing the stroke and heart attack risks associated with cigarette use.  So yes, E-cigarettes are safer than cigarettes, and people should use them over actual cigarettes.  Safe, though?  Don't kid yourself.


You're telling this to a site that lauds alcoholism?
 
2013-08-29 03:20:50 PM

Aigoo: s2s2s2: stuffy: Waiting for the one that looks like Vader's Lightsaber.

I already posted a picture of one(mine) that does. Pretty sure it was based on a lightsaber.

[www.gotvapes.com image 700x744]
It's the one on the left. That's a Vamo on the right.

Older VAMO, no? The V3 that I have has lines down it and it a bit more automated (automatically drops into the proper vape mode so you don't have to dick with the settings except ohms and voltage).

Where I got mine

Mine looks like this, only in black chrome:

[fasttechcdn.com image 850x460]


I've been thinking about the eVic, but the more I see of the Vamo, I'm kind of leaning that way.
 
2013-08-29 03:21:48 PM
I'm a vaper. Smoked for about 17 years. Quit OVERNIGHT with vapes, painlessly. The guy who owns my local vape shop is a nic-free vaper; he started stepping down his nicotine dosage gradually with the vapes.

Here's why they work: Smoking is not JUST about nicotine. It's about a habitual behavior. You can start vaping and still get the same habitual behavior AND the same nicotine. Then you can gradually step down your nicotine level without changing the taste, flavor, or feel of your vape. In fact, stepping down nic levels actually helps to give you BETTER flavor, so it kind of rewards you for it.

If you're wanting to buy a vape, find a local vape shop. Go in, talk to the people, try out the different models. Expect to pay $50-150 for your first vape set; after that, the cost of fluids, fuses, cartos, and other accoutrements is minimal. Drugstore brands like N'joy are never going to work as well. Plus, in the long run, they're more expensive and give you less flexibility than an Inferno (what my hubby uses) or a Siegelei (what I use).
 
2013-08-29 03:23:28 PM
BTW, if you're in the Tacoma area, I highly recommend the Vaporium. There's one in Lakewood and they're opening a new location in Fife. And most of their juices are LOCALLY MADE in the Puget Sound area.
 
2013-08-29 03:29:15 PM

morgantx: BTW, if you're in the Tacoma area, I highly recommend the Vaporium. There's one in Lakewood and they're opening a new location in Fife. And most of their juices are LOCALLY MADE in the Puget Sound area.


Just an FYI, though - the Vaporium is FILLED with military folks every afternoon. Vapes have become extremely popular with military people, and as the Lakewood Vaporium is so close to the base, it's usually got tons of folks in uniform. So maybe go to Fife if you hate military people.
 
2013-08-29 03:30:53 PM
This is a great site for all your vaping questions. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/
 
2013-08-29 03:49:13 PM

Pangea: eyemarten: Really? You think you should tell me how to live porky?  Put down the donuts and then we'll talk.

Unlikely, considering you've already admitted to wishing you could physically harm people who make you feel ostracized because of your choices.

Smoking is a badge of honor for "fierce individualists" everywhere. If you're going to continue to smoke, maybe you should act like a farking man, and not be so sensitive about what non-smokers whisper to each other while they quietly judge you.


The problem is that they don't do anything quietly.

/you sound fat
/and judgmental
/and douchey
 
2013-08-29 03:54:25 PM

morgantx: Smoking is not JUST about nicotine. It's about a habitual behavior.


A whole bucketful of this.  My weed smoking went up considerably when I quit cigs.
 
2013-08-29 04:13:49 PM
From my cold. Dead.  Hands.

I've been vaping for 3 years now, almost to the day. They made quitting utterly effortless, and for that I will always fight for vaper's rights. Started doing reviews almost two years ago.  Helped hundreds of smokers put a hyphenated "ex" prefix beside that title as a result.  Started making and selling my own E-liquid this past April. Business has been great and I've never been healthier.  (Well, except for being overweight, but I'm working on that.)

All this propaganda against E-cigs is purely the fabrication of Big Tobacco and Big Pharma, both of which like to line the pockets of non-profit health watchdogs by cherry picking studies that make claims they can spin to say bad things about E-cigs, and of politicians to lobby against them.  It's all about the money.  The government wants its sweet tax revenue.  Big Tobacco wants to keep being Big Tobacco.  Glaxo-Smith-Kline wants to keep selling useless, ineffective, and sometimes dangerous NRT products.

We just want to vape.  And we will continue to vape, and the antis can eat a monstrous bag of mouldering dicks.

Love,
VaporChase.
 
2013-08-29 04:21:56 PM

Aigoo: Older VAMO, no?


Yeah, V1 or 2, you can still get them. I was posting for the SVD in the pic.
I chose the SVD over the sigelei zmax tele because of the memory(and the lightsaberiness).

I just ordered a Magneto. Stocked to dabble in the lo-fi segment of vaping for a while.
 
2013-08-29 04:42:27 PM

Elegy: And the fact that quitting was easy with an e-cig gives me hope, as I'm planning on moving to an e-cig soon...


I smoked very heavy for 30+ years, and was smoking over 3 packs a day when I bought an eGo.  I didn't really expect it to work, but a friend had been having good results with vaping so I figured "what the hell".  I had tried to quit before, and nothing else had worked, so I actually expected this to be a waste of time and money just like the rest.

Overnight, without pushing at all, I dropped down to under 1.5 packs a day, less than half of what I'd been smoking.  After several weeks, I figured out that I needed higher level of nicotine and bought juice with more nic.  As soon as I did that, I completely quit smoking.  That was a couple of years ago.  I had been very heavily addicted, and once I had the right level of nic, quitting was easy.

Over time, I've gradually cut down on my nic level and for the past 6 months or so, I don't use any nic at all.  I still vape, just without the nic.

ECF is the best place to go online for information about vaping.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com


Cold_Sassy: Do any present e-cig users recommend a particular brand of e-cig?


Honestly, I think that there are a bunch of different devices/brands that all do about the same thing, so it's mostly personal preference.  What one person loves, another may hate, and vice versa.  eGo is probably the single most popular brand.  I'm a big fan of the Kanger ProTank tanks.  I would recommend avoiding anything the size/look of a real cigarette (like the Blu or the NJoy.)  If they are the size of a normal cig, they tend to have too little battery power and not much juice before you have to refill.

Go to ECF, which I linked above, and ask around.  If you can find a vape shop in your area, that helps.  There is a learning curve when you first start out, so having a local vape shop is nice.  Stuff like the Blu and Njoy get sold at grocery stores and gas stations, but they don't do nearly as good a job, and while they tend to be cheap up front, in the long run they tend to be overall more expensive than getting a normal PV.  That being said, simply due to being so widely available, they've worked for a lot of people, and if it works for you, it works.
 
2013-08-29 05:07:34 PM

ralanprod: So,

How long before the tax man clamps down on the ingredients and devices?

You don't think the govt is just going to let all those revenues go up in vapor do you?

No, I'm not sure what the justification will be.  Probably something along the lines of, "Fark you - that's why."


I certainly expect them to try, but I think when it all comes down to it, the only thing they even have a chance of regulating will be the nicotine.  Of course, for a smoker switching to vaping, the nicotine is very important.

I don't think they can reasonably regulate batteries.  Batteries are used by far too many people.  Add a button, make a basic tank,  add an atomizer to heat up small amounts of juice, and the device is ready.  It's just not feasible to regulate that stuff.  The basic juice is made of PG and VG which have long been used for many other things, so they can't really get rid of that.  It's flavored with food flavoring, and they can't get rid of that.

So the only thing I expect they can regulate is the nicotine.  I do expect them to try.  The money all lines up that way.

The gov is losing tax money.  The cig companies are losing customers.  The big pharmaceutical companies are selling nicotine gum and nicotine inhalers and the patch and such, and they don't want the competition.  The American Heart Association and American Cancer Society and such, those places receive a lot of money that comes from the cig taxes, so they won't support vaping even though it would clearly be much healthier for smokers to switch.

The cig companies don't mind that they pay a ton in taxes.  They still make a huge profit, and the taxes all get paid by the end user.  So as they move into the e-cig market, they are trying to get the gov to regulate.  They don't want a bunch of small companies and local businesses running vape shops, they want to pay off the gov to make sure that nobody except them can afford to be in that business.  Whether they succeed or not remains to be seen.
 
2013-08-29 06:07:29 PM
Anyone in the milwaukee area know of a vapor shop? I looked up a few on ecf but they all seem to be online juice sellers, and the clostest other shop I've found is about hour and thirty away. And or does anyone have a good site that sells for make your own juice supplies ecf often has too many options and opinions.
 
2013-08-29 06:24:43 PM

DerpHerder: Anyone in the milwaukee area know of a vapor shop? I looked up a few on ecf but they all seem to be online juice sellers, and the clostest other shop I've found is about hour and thirty away. And or does anyone have a good site that sells for make your own juice supplies ecf often has too many options and opinions.


I use these guys for miscellaneous things: http://indyvaporshop.com/

They have some good prices, and their store juices aren't terrible. Their fancy juices like Halo are always good.

Other than that, the e-cig forum mentioned earlier in the thread is a great place to go for info on making mixes and everything else.

I don't know of any brick and mortar vape shops in Milwaukee, but I'll ask around. My guess is that there has to be one somewhere around Brady or elsewhere on the East Side.
 
2013-08-29 06:41:02 PM

DerpHerder: Anyone in the milwaukee area know of a vapor shop? I looked up a few on ecf but they all seem to be online juice sellers, and the clostest other shop I've found is about hour and thirty away. And or does anyone have a good site that sells for make your own juice supplies ecf often has too many options and opinions.


Looking on ECF, I didn't find anything in Milwaukee (which doesn't mean a lot), but I did find this, which may help you.

http://www.facebook.com/groups/WisconsinVapers/
 
2013-08-29 06:53:31 PM

JuggleGeek: DerpHerder: Anyone in the milwaukee area know of a vapor shop? I looked up a few on ecf but they all seem to be online juice sellers, and the clostest other shop I've found is about hour and thirty away. And or does anyone have a good site that sells for make your own juice supplies ecf often has too many options and opinions.

Looking on ECF, I didn't find anything in Milwaukee (which doesn't mean a lot), but I did find this, which may help you.

http://www.facebook.com/groups/WisconsinVapers/


Oh heck, that's here in Appleton! I bought a Blu but haven't liked it too much, I don't think I was getting enough nicotine (only a pack a day smoker...) I should look in to this. I heard that there was a vape shop around here.
 
2013-08-29 07:11:19 PM
I always recommend avoiding anything that's the size of a cig.  The more they try to make them look/feel like a cig, the less well they actually work.  And I'm not a big fan of stuff like the Blu where they want a proprietary system, expecting you to buy everything from one company.  Batteries, chargers, juice, atomizers, etc.  I think blu wants you to buy prefilled cartridges, too, which tends to raise the cost as well as limiting your options.

Getting something a little bigger than a cig pays off.  The battery lasts longer.  Having a small tank means you don't have to refill often (and it's generally easier to refill a tank than a carto.)  I'm using a Vision Spinner 1300 mah battery, which is essentially a big knock off of the ego Twist batteries.  I'm using an ego brand charger.  Kanger Protank.  Juice from a local vendor.  But it all works "mix and match", so I could go back to my lavatube or my buzzpro, I could swap tanks, etc.

I'm a big fan of variable voltage systems.  The good ones will let you go up to 6 volts or more, but even the low end ones like the ego Twist or the vision Spinner will let you raise the voltage to 4.8 or so.  When I was using a higher end system that would reach 6.0 volts, I found that 4.8 was my sweet spot.  Most basic non-variable batteries run at 3.3 or so, and you get less vapor.  I like having voltage in the 4.7 to 4.8 range.  The ego Twist batteries aren't much more expensive than the regular non-variable ego Batteries, so I recommend the twist batteries for starting out.
 
2013-08-29 07:39:26 PM

JuggleGeek: I always recommend avoiding anything that's the size of a cig.  The more they try to make them look/feel like a cig, the less well they actually work.  And I'm not a big fan of stuff like the Blu where they want a proprietary system, expecting you to buy everything from one company.  Batteries, chargers, juice, atomizers, etc.  I think blu wants you to buy prefilled cartridges, too, which tends to raise the cost as well as limiting your options.


Normally I'd have agreed with you.  Cig-styles tend not to work very well.  However I just received a review kit from MigCigs -- just an 808 kit with prefilled cartos, plus a couple of bonus Kanger 808 clearos, and I'm actually kind of shocked at how well it works. The 18mg carts still don't hit like 18mg, but they do hit like about 12mg or so, whch is more than I can say for any of the other 808 kits I've reviewed.  And the tanks are shockingly superb.  Personally I always recommend an eGo-C Twist kit with some Kanger clearos (T3S, EVOD or Mini ProTank), but there are some people who are kind of intimidated by cigar-sized devices (or larger) and really feel like they need something as close to what they already know as possible, so I tend to be always on the lookout for good cig-style kits that actually work and don't suck.  Most people probably won't keep them for more than a month or so anyway before wanting something beefier (if they make it that long) but they still have their place as a good launching platform for newbies to get a decent understanding of what vaping can do for them, so I think it's important to have a few solid options in cig-alikes that work well enough to make them want to keep going with it.
 
2013-08-29 08:02:01 PM
Just competition for reg. cigs and they don't like it. Follow the money.
 
2013-08-29 10:31:27 PM

Psychopusher: JuggleGeek: I always recommend avoiding anything that's the size of a cig.  The more they try to make them look/feel like a cig, the less well they actually work.  And I'm not a big fan of stuff like the Blu where they want a proprietary system, expecting you to buy everything from one company.  Batteries, chargers, juice, atomizers, etc.  I think blu wants you to buy prefilled cartridges, too, which tends to raise the cost as well as limiting your options.

Normally I'd have agreed with you.  Cig-styles tend not to work very well.  However I just received a review kit from MigCigs -- just an 808 kit with prefilled cartos, plus a couple of bonus Kanger 808 clearos, and I'm actually kind of shocked at how well it works. The 18mg carts still don't hit like 18mg, but they do hit like about 12mg or so, whch is more than I can say for any of the other 808 kits I've reviewed.  And the tanks are shockingly superb.  Personally I always recommend an eGo-C Twist kit with some Kanger clearos (T3S, EVOD or Mini ProTank), but there are some people who are kind of intimidated by cigar-sized devices (or larger) and really feel like they need something as close to what they already know as possible, so I tend to be always on the lookout for good cig-style kits that actually work and don't suck.  Most people probably won't keep them for more than a month or so anyway before wanting something beefier (if they make it that long) but they still have their place as a good launching platform for newbies to get a decent understanding of what vaping can do for them, so I think it's important to have a few solid options in cig-alikes that work well enough to make them want to keep going with it.


OK.... just too damn complicated... I don't want to use Blu, but it is crazy to use anything else. I just want advice on something easy. Something I can use in the office, or, say, on a plane.
 
2013-08-29 11:23:32 PM

desertfool: OK.... just too damn complicated... I don't want to use Blu, but it is crazy to use anything else. I just want advice on something easy. Something I can use in the office, or, say, on a plane.


If you want a slim cigarette-type, then right now I'm looking pretty seriously at MigCigs being my top pick.  They're a bit pricey for what they are, but they seem to work surprisingly well.  The Mig 21 Clear kit is probably your best bet.  Great performance, easy to refill, don't need to keep buying or refilling those small cartridges, just buy E-liquid and replacement tanks when yours stop performing well (they usually last at least a week or more) and that's that.  Simple and to the point.  They're manual batteries though so you do have to press a button to vape, but that does give you more control over the process, which is a good thing.
 
2013-08-30 12:05:31 AM

desertfool: OK.... just too damn complicated... I don't want to use Blu, but it is crazy to use anything else. I just want advice on something easy. Something I can use in the office, or, say, on a plane.


There is a learning curve.  It isn't going to be exactly like smoking, because it isn't smoking.  It's not hard to learn, but that's part of the process.

That's why I recommend trying to find a local vape shop if you can, and why I link people to the ECF forums.

If you are unwilling to learn anything new, then vaping isn't for you. It's not complicated, but there are a few things you have to learn.
 
2013-08-30 12:11:51 AM

desertfool: Psychopusher: JuggleGeek: I always recommend avoiding anything that's the size of a cig.  The more they try to make them look/feel like a cig, the less well they actually work.  And I'm not a big fan of stuff like the Blu where they want a proprietary system, expecting you to buy everything from one company.  Batteries, chargers, juice, atomizers, etc.  I think blu wants you to buy prefilled cartridges, too, which tends to raise the cost as well as limiting your options.

Normally I'd have agreed with you.  Cig-styles tend not to work very well.  However I just received a review kit from MigCigs -- just an 808 kit with prefilled cartos, plus a couple of bonus Kanger 808 clearos, and I'm actually kind of shocked at how well it works. The 18mg carts still don't hit like 18mg, but they do hit like about 12mg or so, whch is more than I can say for any of the other 808 kits I've reviewed.  And the tanks are shockingly superb.  Personally I always recommend an eGo-C Twist kit with some Kanger clearos (T3S, EVOD or Mini ProTank), but there are some people who are kind of intimidated by cigar-sized devices (or larger) and really feel like they need something as close to what they already know as possible, so I tend to be always on the lookout for good cig-style kits that actually work and don't suck.  Most people probably won't keep them for more than a month or so anyway before wanting something beefier (if they make it that long) but they still have their place as a good launching platform for newbies to get a decent understanding of what vaping can do for them, so I think it's important to have a few solid options in cig-alikes that work well enough to make them want to keep going with it.

OK.... just too damn complicated... I don't want to use Blu, but it is crazy to use anything else. I just want advice on something easy. Something I can use in the office, or, say, on a plane.


I was very confused and put off by all the hipster speak and douch style terminology.  I wanted just to get some advice in plane english as my intent was purely to get on with quiting and din;t want to hear about fu-fu flavors. I wanted someting that mimicked the things I was used to.  I spoke to the folks at the vapor room that recomended a kit that and 18mg of nic with a tobacco "juice" that very closely tastes of Marlborro lights.  the info through the ordering process was clear and I have been greatly satisfied as it gives a quality entry lever introduction to the whats, whys and hows.

Oh thats thevaporroom.net (out of Mass) the net is important the ,com leads to a pot shop in SF
 
2013-08-30 12:22:48 AM
I'll say it again:

Someone smoking an "e-cigarette" is as pathetic as someone smoking through their trach-hole.

/"It's time we take our FREEDOM back!" LOL
 
2013-08-30 12:55:29 AM

BuckTurgidson: I'll say it again:

Someone smoking an "e-cigarette" is as pathetic as someone smoking through their trach-hole.

/"It's time we take our FREEDOM back!" LOL


Say it all you want. No one gives a shiat.
 
2013-08-30 01:03:25 AM

BuckTurgidson: I'll say it again:

Someone smoking an "e-cigarette" is as pathetic as someone smoking through their trach-hole.

/"It's time we take our FREEDOM back!" LOL


It's funny, before I tried one I thought the same thing. After I started using one, it's amazing the difference in reactions you get out in public versus the reactions you get as a smoker. They are conversation starters and most people are extremely positive about them. In my town, I see two or three people using an ecig for every cigarette smoker I see. They're getting more and more popular, especially since the local university campus banned smoking on campus, but exempts vaping except in classrooms where the profs specifically forbid them. It's a brave new world man, with shiny new nicotine delivery devices. Deal with it.
 
2013-08-30 01:16:47 AM

new_york_monty: BuckTurgidson: I'll say it again:

Someone smoking an "e-cigarette" is as pathetic as someone smoking through their trach-hole.

/"It's time we take our FREEDOM back!" LOL

It's funny, before I tried one I thought the same thing. After I started using one, it's amazing the difference in reactions you get out in public versus the reactions you get as a smoker. They are conversation starters and most people are extremely positive about them. In my town, I see two or three people using an ecig for every cigarette smoker I see. They're getting more and more popular, especially since the local university campus banned smoking on campus, but exempts vaping except in classrooms where the profs specifically forbid them. It's a brave new world man, with shiny new nicotine delivery devices. Deal with it.


Dealt with, no worries.

Hey: for fun, ditch nicotine.

Radical I know but you'll survive.

/or you'll just keep b*tching and smoking Luckies out your trach-hole.
 
2013-08-30 01:20:27 AM

BuckTurgidson: new_york_monty: BuckTurgidson: I'll say it again:

Someone smoking an "e-cigarette" is as pathetic as someone smoking through their trach-hole.

/"It's time we take our FREEDOM back!" LOL

It's funny, before I tried one I thought the same thing. After I started using one, it's amazing the difference in reactions you get out in public versus the reactions you get as a smoker. They are conversation starters and most people are extremely positive about them. In my town, I see two or three people using an ecig for every cigarette smoker I see. They're getting more and more popular, especially since the local university campus banned smoking on campus, but exempts vaping except in classrooms where the profs specifically forbid them. It's a brave new world man, with shiny new nicotine delivery devices. Deal with it.

Dealt with, no worries.

Hey: for fun, ditch nicotine.

Radical I know but you'll survive.

/or you'll just keep b*tching and smoking Luckies out your trach-hole.


I ditched tobacco, nicotine is non carcinogenic.
 
2013-08-30 01:25:33 AM

new_york_monty: BuckTurgidson: new_york_monty: BuckTurgidson: I'll say it again:

Someone smoking an "e-cigarette" is as pathetic as someone smoking through their trach-hole.

/"It's time we take our FREEDOM back!" LOL

It's funny, before I tried one I thought the same thing. After I started using one, it's amazing the difference in reactions you get out in public versus the reactions you get as a smoker. They are conversation starters and most people are extremely positive about them. In my town, I see two or three people using an ecig for every cigarette smoker I see. They're getting more and more popular, especially since the local university campus banned smoking on campus, but exempts vaping except in classrooms where the profs specifically forbid them. It's a brave new world man, with shiny new nicotine delivery devices. Deal with it.

Dealt with, no worries.

Hey: for fun, ditch nicotine.

Radical I know but you'll survive.

/or you'll just keep b*tching and smoking Luckies out your trach-hole.

I ditched tobacco, nicotine is non carcinogenic.


Do you know what's awesome?

Well, I will tell you: Cocaine + Marlborough Lights. That's what's awesome.

I'll bet Cocaine + e-cig-nicotine is not too far back on the awesome, YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME scale.


I never mentioned cancer, by the way.
 
2013-08-30 01:28:05 AM

s2s2s2: BuckTurgidson: I'll say it again:

Someone smoking an "e-cigarette" is as pathetic as someone smoking through their trach-hole.

/"It's time we take our FREEDOM back!" LOL

Say it all you want. No one gives a shiat.


yep
 
2013-08-30 01:31:29 AM

BuckTurgidson: new_york_monty: BuckTurgidson: new_york_monty: BuckTurgidson: I'll say it again:

Someone smoking an "e-cigarette" is as pathetic as someone smoking through their trach-hole.

/"It's time we take our FREEDOM back!" LOL

It's funny, before I tried one I thought the same thing. After I started using one, it's amazing the difference in reactions you get out in public versus the reactions you get as a smoker. They are conversation starters and most people are extremely positive about them. In my town, I see two or three people using an ecig for every cigarette smoker I see. They're getting more and more popular, especially since the local university campus banned smoking on campus, but exempts vaping except in classrooms where the profs specifically forbid them. It's a brave new world man, with shiny new nicotine delivery devices. Deal with it.

Dealt with, no worries.

Hey: for fun, ditch nicotine.

Radical I know but you'll survive.

/or you'll just keep b*tching and smoking Luckies out your trach-hole.

I ditched tobacco, nicotine is non carcinogenic.

Do you know what's awesome?

Well, I will tell you: Cocaine + Marlborough Lights. That's what's awesome.

I'll bet Cocaine + e-cig-nicotine is not too far back on the awesome, YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME scale.


I never mentioned cancer, by the way.


Considering tracheotomies are associated with throat cancer from smoking, I'd say you did.
 
2013-08-30 01:32:38 AM

panfried: s2s2s2: BuckTurgidson: I'll say it again:

Someone smoking an "e-cigarette" is as pathetic as someone smoking through their trach-hole.

/"It's time we take our FREEDOM back!" LOL

Say it all you want. No one gives a shiat.

yep


Smoke up. Inhale deeply. Hold it in and let it suffuse through you. Don't let anyone convince there could ever be a problem with this.
 
2013-08-30 01:37:11 AM

new_york_monty: BuckTurgidson: new_york_monty: BuckTurgidson: new_york_monty: BuckTurgidson: I'll say it again:

Someone smoking an "e-cigarette" is as pathetic as someone smoking through their trach-hole.

/"It's time we take our FREEDOM back!" LOL

It's funny, before I tried one I thought the same thing. After I started using one, it's amazing the difference in reactions you get out in public versus the reactions you get as a smoker. They are conversation starters and most people are extremely positive about them. In my town, I see two or three people using an ecig for every cigarette smoker I see. They're getting more and more popular, especially since the local university campus banned smoking on campus, but exempts vaping except in classrooms where the profs specifically forbid them. It's a brave new world man, with shiny new nicotine delivery devices. Deal with it.

Dealt with, no worries.

Hey: for fun, ditch nicotine.

Radical I know but you'll survive.

/or you'll just keep b*tching and smoking Luckies out your trach-hole.

I ditched tobacco, nicotine is non carcinogenic.

Do you know what's awesome?

Well, I will tell you: Cocaine + Marlborough Lights. That's what's awesome.

I'll bet Cocaine + e-cig-nicotine is not too far back on the awesome, YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME scale.


I never mentioned cancer, by the way.

Considering tracheotomies are associated with throat cancer from smoking, I'd say you did.


Your freedom.

Embrace and celebrate it.
 
2013-08-30 02:24:12 AM

BuckTurgidson: panfried: s2s2s2: BuckTurgidson: I'll say it again:

Someone smoking an "e-cigarette" is as pathetic as someone smoking through their trach-hole.

/"It's time we take our FREEDOM back!" LOL

Say it all you want. No one gives a shiat.

yep

Smoke up. Inhale deeply. Hold it in and let it suffuse through you. Don't let anyone convince there could ever be a problem with this.


Given thr alternative of actually smoking a cgarette, I'M OK WITH IT
 
2013-08-30 03:00:02 AM
only 10 months in to not having a cig
/really, its that easy
//not easy
///easy
 
2013-08-30 08:59:24 AM

BuckTurgidson: I'll say it again:

Someone smoking an "e-cigarette" is as pathetic as someone smoking through their trach-hole.

/"It's time we take our FREEDOM back!" LOL
Please pay attention to me.  Someone PLEASE pay attention to me.  LOOK AT ME!!!



FTFY, kiddo.

/and gave you more of the attention that you so desperately crave.
 
2013-08-30 10:50:27 AM

BuckTurgidson: Hey: for fun, ditch nicotine.

Radical I know but you'll survive.

/or you'll just keep b*tching and smoking Luckies out your trach-hole.


They don't create smoke, therefore it isn't smoking.  Personally, I'm vaping without nicotine and hope to quit, but you seem to have the idea that nicotine is what makes cigarettes bad for you, and that is incorrect.

It is possible that vaping isn't 100% safe.  (After all, what is?)  But they are clearly much healthier than cigs.

Plus cheaper.  Plus they don't smell bad.  Plus you can do them a lot more places.  (Not everywhere, but many more than smoking cigs.)

I wouldn't recommend anyone who doesn't already smoke start to vape, just like I wouldn't recommend anyone who doesn't smoke start to smoke.  But when you compare vaping to smoking, vaping is a clear cut winner.
 
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