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(ABC)   "Five repercussions of a military strike in Syria." Only five?   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 178
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2013-08-29 08:08:40 AM  
I am still unclear on why we need to attack syria in the first place.
 
2013-08-29 08:10:42 AM  

Weaver95: I am still unclear on why we need to attack syria in the first place.


chemical weapons actually being used. At least, that's what I assume. Maybe we're trying to make up for not helping the Kurds getting gassed back in the 90s?
 
2013-08-29 08:15:44 AM  

somedude210: Weaver95: I am still unclear on why we need to attack syria in the first place.

chemical weapons actually being used. At least, that's what I assume. Maybe we're trying to make up for not helping the Kurds getting gassed back in the 90s?


Yeah ok that's bad, assuming its actually what happened...but why does this concern us again?
 
2013-08-29 08:17:53 AM  

Weaver95: Yeah ok that's bad, assuming its actually what happened...but why does this concern us again?


moral authority?
 
2013-08-29 08:22:39 AM  

Weaver95: Yeah ok that's bad, assuming its actually what happened...but why does this concern us again?


Have to justify all that untouchable military spending somehow.
 
2013-08-29 08:22:41 AM  
I'd like to see clear unrefutable evidence that Assad was responsible. Not because I doubt the official evidence, but because I can't put up with 10 years of conspiracy theorists and false flag claims. It does my head in. I see no reason to rush this, we've waited 3 years while they shot each other, we can wait another few weeks to prove, unequivocally, that they've started killing each other slightly differently.
 
2013-08-29 08:29:05 AM  
#6 - 1% rise in ignorant Westerners actually able to find Syria on a f*cking map.
 
2013-08-29 08:34:24 AM  

Weaver95: I am still unclear on why we need to attack syria in the first place.


In light of recent information, it is not 'a slam dunk' that Assad is responsible in the first place.  But Odumbo said it was 'unequivicable evidence'. Loud noises signifying nothing....
 
2013-08-29 08:34:33 AM  

Weaver95: I am still unclear on why we need to attack syria in the first place.


I'm still unclear as to why we didn't hear this level of dissent over the sound of war drums 10 years ago.
 
2013-08-29 08:38:01 AM  

somedude210: Weaver95: Yeah ok that's bad, assuming its actually what happened...but why does this concern us again?

moral authority?


The British Legal letters state 'war crimes', 'crimes against humanity' and genocide.
 
2013-08-29 08:40:41 AM  

doyner: I'm still unclear as to why we didn't hear this level of dissent over the sound of war drums 10 years ago.


to be fair, chemical weapons were never actually used 10 years ago. An entirely different situation altogether
 
2013-08-29 08:43:44 AM  

Slaxl: I'd like to see clear unrefutable evidence that Assad was responsible. Not because I doubt the official evidence, but because I can't put up with 10 years of conspiracy theorists and false flag claims. It does my head in. I see no reason to rush this, we've waited 3 years while they shot each other, we can wait another few weeks to prove, unequivocally, that they've started killing each other slightly differently.


While I agree I want more evidence that Assad actually did order the use of chemical weapons, even "clear unrefutable evidence" wouldn't stop the "false flag" people.  I mean, how many times have the claims of 9/11 "truthers" been dismantled and they still keep it up?
 
2013-08-29 08:48:04 AM  

jake_lex: Slaxl: I'd like to see clear unrefutable evidence that Assad was responsible. Not because I doubt the official evidence, but because I can't put up with 10 years of conspiracy theorists and false flag claims. It does my head in. I see no reason to rush this, we've waited 3 years while they shot each other, we can wait another few weeks to prove, unequivocally, that they've started killing each other slightly differently.

While I agree I want more evidence that Assad actually did order the use of chemical weapons, even "clear unrefutable evidence" wouldn't stop the "false flag" people.  I mean, how many times have the claims of 9/11 "truthers" been dismantled and they still keep it up?


How about both sides used them? But Kerry and Obama should STFU and wait for the UN report instead of the US acting unilaterally.
 
2013-08-29 08:49:58 AM  

somedude210: Weaver95: Yeah ok that's bad, assuming its actually what happened...but why does this concern us again?

moral authority?


Get rid of gitmo and the TSA and then we can discuss regaining our moral authority. In this case it just seems like we drop bombs on the middle east because we forgot how to do anything else.
 
2013-08-29 08:51:15 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: somedude210: Weaver95: Yeah ok that's bad, assuming its actually what happened...but why does this concern us again?

moral authority?

The British Legal letters state 'war crimes', 'crimes against humanity' and genocide.


Yeah but we let bush and Cheny get away with bombing the middle east on little or no evidence.
 
2013-08-29 08:52:46 AM  

somedude210: doyner: I'm still unclear as to why we didn't hear this level of dissent over the sound of war drums 10 years ago.

to be fair, chemical weapons were never actually used 10 years ago. An entirely different situation altogether


All the more reason...
 
2013-08-29 08:55:07 AM  

doyner: somedude210: doyner: I'm still unclear as to why we didn't hear this level of dissent over the sound of war drums 10 years ago.

to be fair, chemical weapons were never actually used 10 years ago. An entirely different situation altogether

All the more reason...


I'm just getting tired of being told I should STFU and just go along with our middle east bombing runs without asking questions.
 
2013-08-29 09:01:54 AM  

Weaver95: doyner: somedude210: doyner: I'm still unclear as to why we didn't hear this level of dissent over the sound of war drums 10 years ago.

to be fair, chemical weapons were never actually used 10 years ago. An entirely different situation altogether

All the more reason...

I'm just getting tired of being told I should STFU and just go along with our middle east bombing runs without asking questions.


You're not hearing that from me.  I think it's just become a reflexive impulse of our culture.
 
2013-08-29 09:03:15 AM  

kronicfeld: Weaver95: Yeah ok that's bad, assuming its actually what happened...but why does this concern us again?

Have to justify all that untouchable military spending somehow.


As citizens of the advanced western democracies, we face an important question - how do we profit off this war? Raytheon, GenDyn and all the usual suspects are only up slightly in their stock price. What's a boy to do?

My tip: Kratos

http://www.kratosdefense.com/

Contact your broker today. Fees may apply. Void where prohibited where law, just like the Constitution.
 
2013-08-29 09:05:25 AM  

doyner: Weaver95: I am still unclear on why we need to attack syria in the first place.

I'm still unclear as to why we didn't hear this level of dissent over the sound of war drums 10 years ago.


Didn't we? I distinctly remember marches and rallies millions of people big filling up cites.

I'm amazed that the level of dissent we're hearing is nothing in comparison to what we heard 10 years ago.
 
2013-08-29 09:05:57 AM  

somedude210: An entirely different situation altogether


An entirely situation.  But that's not important right now.
 
2013-08-29 09:06:29 AM  

Weaver95: Yeah ok that's bad, assuming its actually what happened...but why does this concern us again?


It only concerns us when the rest of the world has a problem they don't want to deal with and profiteers in the US see an opportunity to recycle their store of munitions for a 9-figure sum.  The US has become the neanderthal muscle guy that is unwelcome at dinner parties but is the first person that gets called when there's a bump in the night. When we want something done though it's the US being imperialist.

Got it?
 
2013-08-29 09:08:23 AM  
Here we go. Bush and farking Cheney with their weapons of mass destruction bullshiat and readying us to bomb a middle eastern country. Those farkers!
 
2013-08-29 09:08:36 AM  

doyner: Weaver95: doyner: somedude210: doyner: I'm still unclear as to why we didn't hear this level of dissent over the sound of war drums 10 years ago.

to be fair, chemical weapons were never actually used 10 years ago. An entirely different situation altogether

All the more reason...

I'm just getting tired of being told I should STFU and just go along with our middle east bombing runs without asking questions.

You're not hearing that from me.  I think it's just become a reflexive impulse of our culture.


Im really hoping its not becoming a cultural imperative. I'd actually prefer a military/industrial complex conspiracy at that point. Blood for the blood god is fine when playing warhammer 40k but as a basis for our foreign policy decisions it kinda sucks.
 
2013-08-29 09:09:48 AM  

Weaver95: doyner: somedude210: doyner: I'm still unclear as to why we didn't hear this level of dissent over the sound of war drums 10 years ago.

to be fair, chemical weapons were never actually used 10 years ago. An entirely different situation altogether

All the more reason...

I'm just getting tired of being told I should STFU and just go along with our middle east bombing runs without asking questions.


I think it's fair to ask what the US's interest is in Syria. Clearly someone is contravening the accords on chemical weapons, which is something to take seriously and warrants action of some kind. Also, it's clear that the US doesn't want another failed state in the region, sandwiched between our allies Turkey and Israel, which could lead to spillover fighting and devolution into a regional conflict. Third, the US has made previous commitments to fostering democratic regimes and, if the US does nothing, it may be seen as a betrayal by the populace.

All that being said: active military intervention anywhere is a complicated and risky matter. I think the furthest we could go is to provide political, logistical, and technical support to one of our NATO allies (namely France, possibly the UK) to execute the action.

No matter what happens or doesn't happen, however, the US will get blamed.
 
2013-08-29 09:10:26 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-29 09:11:26 AM  
Its like if the nazis were fighting the KKK, you wait till they off each other then take out the remaining

/worse attriocities are going on arround the world and yet we have done nothing, Best Korea for decades is a good example
 
2013-08-29 09:11:38 AM  

Weaver95: I am still unclear on why we need to attack syria in the first place.


Terrible table manners.

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2013-08-29 09:12:48 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: No matter what happens or doesn't happen, however, the US will get blamed


Which is exactly why we should stay out of it.  Let the Russians or Turks, hell ANYONE in Europe step in if this is such an imperative.
 
2013-08-29 09:12:57 AM  
Look....the Middle-East/Persia is going to become an issue in the future anyway. Let's just get it over with. But this time have the military run the war and not the politicians. Stop with the limited bombing campaigns and treat it how we treated Germany and Japan in WWII.
 
2013-08-29 09:13:55 AM  

neversubmit: Terrible table manners.


Everytime I see a picture of a prominent American in a familiar pose with some individual we later declare to be a menace, I'm reminded of those narratives of inner-city life when one kid kills a "lifelong friend" over an X-Box  or a pair of sneakers.
 
2013-08-29 09:14:04 AM  

AngryDragon: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: No matter what happens or doesn't happen, however, the US will get blamed

Which is exactly why we should stay out of it.  Let the Russians or Turks, hell ANYONE in Europe step in if this is such an imperative.


Then we get blamed for not getting involved.
 
2013-08-29 09:14:11 AM  

somedude210: doyner: I'm still unclear as to why we didn't hear this level of dissent over the sound of war drums 10 years ago.

to be fair, chemical weapons were never actually used 10 years ago. An entirely different situation altogether


An entirely different situation.
 
2013-08-29 09:14:33 AM  

Weaver95: doyner: somedude210: doyner: I'm still unclear as to why we didn't hear this level of dissent over the sound of war drums 10 years ago.

to be fair, chemical weapons were never actually used 10 years ago. An entirely different situation altogether

All the more reason...

I'm just getting tired of being told I should STFU and just go along with our middle east bombing runs without asking questions.


Reasons:

First: To make a token strike in the proxy war with Iran, to show some resistance for their backing the Syrian dictatorship.  Second: Sets a precedent for intervention in the case of chemical weapon usage.  Might be needed later.  Third: token effort in the new cold war with Russia, to show some resistance for their backing the dictator.

Any one is sufficient.  Together they're decisive.  Moral authority is not on the list.
 
2013-08-29 09:16:27 AM  

Joe Blowme: Its like if the nazis were fighting the KKK, you wait till they off each other then take out the remaining

/worse attriocities are going on arround the world and yet we have done nothing, Best Korea for decades is a good example


You mean crap like this?
 
2013-08-29 09:17:05 AM  
For Christ's sake, Obama. We can't even get our shet straight at home and you want to start another pharking war? what the hell is wrong with you? bad game of horse on the Whitehouse bb court or something? Jesus, man, just let it go, and focus on fixing our healthcare, national broadband access, job creation, etc. Stop trying to copy Bush II's parental appeasement psychological issues. Be our president, not our Dennis Rodman. phark!
 
2013-08-29 09:18:21 AM  
I've said it before that there was a previous chemical weapons attack in Syria months ago. The French government claimed it was Assad's forces that committed the attack but a UN investigation pointed to the rebels. Why do they get a free pass?

That doesn't excuse the regime from using chemical weapons and while I trust Obama more than Bush I don't support any intervention without solid evidence that the regime conducted the attack. Assad was winning, why risk foreign intervention by using chemical weapons? To terrorize the enemy? Just bomb them or shoot them like they've been doing over the last few years.
 
2013-08-29 09:18:24 AM  
Let the UN handle it, Russia and china walked out.
 
2013-08-29 09:22:29 AM  

doyner: Weaver95: I am still unclear on why we need to attack syria in the first place.

I'm still unclear as to why we didn't hear this level of dissent over the sound of war drums 10 years ago.



Your confusion probably has something to do with the fact that the use of military force in Iraq was approved by Congress.

I am certainly getting sick of the US killing people and wasting untold billions just to depose dictators half way around the world in countries that pose no security threat to the United States, based on evidence that turns out to be largely exaggerated or outright false.

It was wrong when Clinton did it in Kosovo, and it's wrong now.
 
2013-08-29 09:22:45 AM  

OldManDownDRoad: kronicfeld: Weaver95: Yeah ok that's bad, assuming its actually what happened...but why does this concern us again?

Have to justify all that untouchable military spending somehow.

As citizens of the advanced western democracies, we face an important question - how do we profit off this war? Raytheon, GenDyn and all the usual suspects are only up slightly in their stock price. What's a boy to do?

My tip: Kratos

http://www.kratosdefense.com/

Contact your broker today. Fees may apply. Void where prohibited where law, just like the Constitution.


Wasn't someone pimping their stock in the Raytheon Tomahawk thread yesterday?  Methinks some farkers are trying to peddle penny stocks...
 
2013-08-29 09:22:53 AM  

Slaxl: doyner: Weaver95: I am still unclear on why we need to attack syria in the first place.

I'm still unclear as to why we didn't hear this level of dissent over the sound of war drums 10 years ago.

Didn't we? I distinctly remember marches and rallies millions of people big filling up cites.

I'm amazed that the level of dissent we're hearing is nothing in comparison to what we heard 10 years ago.


I was referring to our information overlords.
 
2013-08-29 09:24:20 AM  

Phinn: Your confusion probably has something to do with the fact that the use of military force in Iraq was approved by Congress.


I'm not so sure I'd be hanging my hat on an approval from Congress extracted on the basis of a bad faith assertion of non-existent WMDs.
 
2013-08-29 09:24:29 AM  

Weaver95: AngryDragon: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: No matter what happens or doesn't happen, however, the US will get blamed

Which is exactly why we should stay out of it.  Let the Russians or Turks, hell ANYONE in Europe step in if this is such an imperative.

Then we get blamed for not getting involved.


Indeed. The whole situation is a loser for the US no matter what we do. The question, I guess, is how big a hit we take and where do we take it (militarily, politically, etc.)?
 
2013-08-29 09:25:00 AM  

Slaxl: doyner: Weaver95: I am still unclear on why we need to attack syria in the first place.

I'm still unclear as to why we didn't hear this level of dissent over the sound of war drums 10 years ago.

Didn't we? I distinctly remember marches and rallies millions of people big filling up cites.

I'm amazed that the level of dissent we're hearing is nothing in comparison to what we heard 10 years ago.


THANK YOU, Slaxl! I knew I wasn't hallucinating those world-wide protests.
 
2013-08-29 09:25:06 AM  

Weaver95: AngryDragon: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: No matter what happens or doesn't happen, however, the US will get blamed

Which is exactly why we should stay out of it.  Let the Russians or Turks, hell ANYONE in Europe step in if this is such an imperative.

Then we get blamed for not getting involved.


If the risk of American soldiers dying drops to zero and American tax payers funding the killing of people overseas disappears, I'm OK with this.
 
2013-08-29 09:26:09 AM  
media.npr.orgglasgowdoctorwho.com
 
2013-08-29 09:26:17 AM  
FTA "When you do a military strike it often has ramifications you don't anticipate"

Only if you are bad at your job.
 
2013-08-29 09:26:45 AM  
#6. Syria (gov't or rebels) launches rockets/artillery woth sarin at US aircraft carrier. Death toll up to double that of 9/11.
 
2013-08-29 09:27:05 AM  
 
2013-08-29 09:27:09 AM  

Weaver95: somedude210: Weaver95: I am still unclear on why we need to attack syria in the first place.

chemical weapons actually being used. At least, that's what I assume. Maybe we're trying to make up for not helping the Kurds getting gassed back in the 90s?

Yeah ok that's bad, assuming its actually what happened...but why does this concern us again?


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