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(Chron)   Iran works with Russia to stop the US from attacking Syria by threatening to attack Israel. I guess it's pretty serious   (chron.com) divider line 39
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2013-08-29 08:13:36 AM
6 votes:
I just don't understand why we seem to be gearing up to attack syria. If I were anyone living in the middle east I'd think the us is nuts. Well armed and very hypocritical too...but mostly insane. This makes no sense to me.
2013-08-29 09:18:00 AM
5 votes:
We help, the people will still hate us.

We don't help, the people will still hate us.......
2013-08-29 08:41:58 AM
4 votes:
sno man:
It's your habit of drawing lines in the sand.  Eventually when those lines keep getting crossed you have to do something, or no one will take you seriously.  Not that many do in that region anyway...

You mean like when Bush said we would NOT tolerate a nuclear best Korea, then when they tested a few nukes we totally did absolutely nothing about it?
2013-08-29 10:18:57 AM
3 votes:

Old_Chief_Scott: Weaver95: I just don't understand why we seem to be gearing up to attack syria. If I were anyone living in the middle east I'd think the us is nuts. Well armed and very hypocritical too...but mostly insane. This makes no sense to me.

I agree. If it's really about Assad there are plenty of other ways to take him out. My concern is that the so-called "rebel alliance" ( rebel scum?) doesn't really have the backing of the citizenry. It looks more like every man for himself.


It's a religious civil war. Shiia against Sunni.

Helping one side against the other will translate into "the USA has chosen to persecute the Alawite (Shiia) in favor of the Sunni" throughout much of the Islamic world

Reason #1 we shouldn't touch this mess ...
2013-08-29 10:08:20 AM
3 votes:

nekom: sno man:
It's your habit of drawing lines in the sand.  Eventually when those lines keep getting crossed you have to do something, or no one will take you seriously.  Not that many do in that region anyway...

You mean like when Bush said we would NOT tolerate a nuclear best Korea, then when they tested a few nukes we totally did absolutely nothing about it?


You're going to b...b...but Bush using something that was completely on the Clinton administration, in response to something completely on the Obama administration?

Leave your partisanship at the door for once and discuss the current issue like a rational adult.
2013-08-29 10:02:28 AM
3 votes:
Syrians are killing Syrians.  Which in no way means the US needs to get involved.

What does Obama/Kerry/Hagel want to do ?  Kill Syrians ?    Uhm.... they already are doing that.

No, the US is broke.   The credit cards are maxed out.   We don't need more debt.

If the Euros want to go kill Syrians...let them.   And this time they don't have to tag along on the US's coat tails.   Good luck EU,  have at them...
2013-08-29 09:53:46 AM
3 votes:
The reason for the US to strike Syria is so that Israel doesn't.

1) If the US bombs Syria, what can they do? Conventional warfare from 6000 miles away? A suicide bomb at an embassy (resulting in MORE drones a-flyin')? If Israel bombs Syria, it'd make the Second Intifada look like a lame frat party.
2) If Israel attacks, they'll be far less restrained than the US. We'd send some cruise missiles and a few drones; Israel would roll tanks and flatten enough area for a DMZ (if not worse).
3) If Israel is the aggressor, the response would definitely come from Syria, Iran, Hezbollah-controlled areas of Lebanon... If the US is the aggressor, Syria's probably on their own, with maybe some equipment from China/Russia and rhetoric from Iran (possibly some light insurgency sourced to them, like Pakistanis in Afghanistan).
2013-08-29 08:31:38 AM
3 votes:
Can't we work out a deal with Russia?  How about YOU guys go in there, install a puppet of your choosing and call it a day?
2013-08-29 10:30:48 AM
2 votes:

WTF Indeed: Nothing will happen. Any strike against Israel would be met with a regime-changing response. Syria knows that they'll lose some missile batteries and logistics so widening the war by attacking anyone else is stupid if they want to defeat the rebels and remain power.


another twist is any retaliation by Israel will be me with an everyone-attack-israel response from the whole middle east. Remember Gulf War 1? Iraq was doing it's damndest to drag Israel into the war by firing scuds into Tel Aviv but the US managed to convince Israel to not retaliate ( buy whoever made that sale a coke btw ).

Heard on the news this morning that someone in congress asked "how does attacking Syria make the US safer?". That's a really good question and I believe the president has to have an answer in order to use force outside of the UN and congress but i could be wrong. I don't believe the easy answer "but Assad has chemical weapons" is good enough anymore.
2013-08-29 10:20:15 AM
2 votes:
You thought the Iraq civil war was bad? Syria's will be far worse if we get involved. It'll just bring in MORE jihadis, which means they'll fight each other and the locals for being different sects.
2013-08-29 10:12:12 AM
2 votes:
I hope all the people who have a dog in this oil fight remember this picture:

edgecast.metatube-files.buscafs.com

It is the Tsar Bomba hydrogen bomb detonation. The largest hydrogen bomb ever detonated.

Now let's compare the Tsar Bomba with other nuclear weapon detonations.

phobos.ramapo.edu

Hiroshima is the second little nubbin on the lower left.

Hiroshima has killed over 200,000 people so far--it keeps killing people to this day.

I hope people enjoy their oil profits. You're going to end up destroying the world. Literally. Please take your greed and have the hired help shove it up your asses.
2013-08-29 09:52:49 AM
2 votes:
Which all goes back to there being zero upside to starting a war with Syria. The consequences will be huge and the benefits are zilch. Expect this whole thing to blow up in our face.
2013-08-30 04:05:27 AM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: Most of the Jews that found themselves in Israel when it became a State did NOT want to be there. They were dragg


Ah! your old 'Holocaust was a jewish conspiracy orchestrated by the 'zionists' for the creation of Israel' conspiracy bullcrap.
If you're going for the classics, why not cherry-pick a single comment, removing it from its context, of Ben Gurion to support your lying bullshiat ?

Amos Quito: This is totally unjustified attack on Syria is Israel's baby.


Why do you 'ease into it' from the beginning of the thread and not just spit it out ? are you ashamed of your anti-semitism ? say it "it was the jews" like you already did, like you blamed the revolution in Egypt on the jews, hell, even like you blamed "the jews" for JFK's murder and so on.

The WMD attacks in Syria were made by Assad's people, based on every evidence collected so far and which will be disclosed in the following week. You think Syrian Alawites slaughtering Syrian Sunnis is a new thing in Syria ? Assad is simply following his father's footsteps. if you're at it, why not blame "the jews" for that one as well ?
2013-08-29 01:41:42 PM
1 votes:

Gentoolive: Chant with me libtards RACIST, UNJUST, ILLEGAL WARS!

Or is it ok when fartbama does it?


How dare you!  Those anti-war protests will start any second now!

...any second now....

...hmmm...
2013-08-29 01:29:48 PM
1 votes:
Chant with me libtards RACIST, UNJUST, ILLEGAL WARS!

Or is it ok when fartbama does it?
2013-08-29 12:51:32 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Worked in Libya to implement regime change, didn't it? Didn't require 100,000 troops on the ground like Bush's stupidity.


You realize the White House has explicitly said they're not aiming for regime change, right?

And let's not pretend Libya has been a great success.
2013-08-29 12:14:26 PM
1 votes:
Oh, boy! Another pointless war in the Middle East! WHOOO!
2013-08-29 11:50:59 AM
1 votes:
Thank you, Simone.
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2013-08-29 11:29:49 AM
1 votes:

bluorangefyre: I've come to the conclusion that Republicans unnecessarily beat the drum on action in Syria to lure the President in so that one of three things would happen:

1)  They'd embarass him in front of the entire world
2)  They'd finally have an impeachable offense
3)  WWIII could be put on him


You're right, Obama is the victim in all of this.
2013-08-29 11:09:08 AM
1 votes:
If you're tired of the wars, go for Rand Paul in 2016.
2013-08-29 11:02:17 AM
1 votes:

Nightjars: TheShavingofOccam123:
It is the Tsar Bomba hydrogen bomb detonation. The largest hydrogen bomb ever detonated.

Tsar Bomba was an interesting development, but basically everybody agrees that it has pretty much no strategic value.  It was simply an exercise in nationalism.


Like our retarded forays into the Middle East over the last decade?
2013-08-29 10:39:24 AM
1 votes:

ciberido: Did you have an actual argument against TheShavingofOccam123's point, or did you just come into the thread to insult and mock people?


Since I can't seem to figure out what a non-operational test nuclear device (Tsar Bomba), Hiroshima, and missile strikes in Syria have in common, or even apply in this context, I'm going with mocking.

Even if the Russians had another Tsar Bomba, it was useless as a combat weapon.
Hiroshima was the first nuclear detonation.  No one knew the full effects of atomic weapons at the time.
Neither of them have anything to do with tactical, conventional strikes in Syria unless it is to use nuclear weapons as a fear tactic.

There are enough reasons not to get involved in Syria without trying to manufacture more.
2013-08-29 10:35:14 AM
1 votes:

lockers: Which all goes back to there being zero upside to starting a war with Syria. The consequences will be huge and the benefits are zilch. Expect this whole thing to blow up in our face.


Expect the British press to beat the drums and try and stir the pot.

They will try to drag the US into some kind of lame action.   Lame would be lobbing a fiew cruise missles.  The US would have to be mindless, literally mindless to get sucked into another expensive action....that solves little.
2013-08-29 10:32:41 AM
1 votes:

J. Frank Parnell: Man, that cold war era nuke hysteria still hasn't worn off.

Even the biggest nuke ever would only do heavy damage to a couple square miles at most. They aren't the world enders they are in hollywood.

If you do see them used, it will be for the EMP effect. You'll be left alive, only to slowly starve to death or be killed when the supermarkets run out of food.


Was the concept of nuclear winter debunked when I wasn't looking?
2013-08-29 10:25:12 AM
1 votes:

TheShavingofOccam123: I hope all the people who have a dog in this oil fight remember this picture:

[edgecast.metatube-files.buscafs.com image 377x237]

It is the Tsar Bomba hydrogen bomb detonation. The largest hydrogen bomb ever detonated.

Now let's compare the Tsar Bomba with other nuclear weapon detonations.

[phobos.ramapo.edu image 438x267]

Hiroshima is the second little nubbin on the lower left.

Hiroshima has killed over 200,000 people so far--it keeps killing people to this day.

I hope people enjoy their oil profits. You're going to end up destroying the world. Literally. Please take your greed and have the hired help shove it up your asses.


Tsar Bomba was dumb.
It wasn't ICBM deployable
It almost killed the bomber crew.
It was insanely expensive.
Most of it's energy was directed into space.

It was a bad idea.
2013-08-29 10:15:55 AM
1 votes:

nekom: Can't we work out a deal with Russia?  How about YOU guys go in there, install a puppet of your choosing and call it a day?


Pooty-poot likes his current puppet juuuust fine, thanks. Our panties are in a wad and he gets to posture as reasonable and supportive in a strongman/reperessor-oriented regoin.
2013-08-29 10:15:22 AM
1 votes:

TheShavingofOccam123: I hope all the people who have a dog in this oil fight remember this picture:

[edgecast.metatube-files.buscafs.com image 377x237]

It is the Tsar Bomba hydrogen bomb detonation. The largest hydrogen bomb ever detonated.

Now let's compare the Tsar Bomba with other nuclear weapon detonations.

[phobos.ramapo.edu image 438x267]

Hiroshima is the second little nubbin on the lower left.

Hiroshima has killed over 200,000 people so far--it keeps killing people to this day.

I hope people enjoy their oil profits. You're going to end up destroying the world. Literally. Please take your greed and have the hired help shove it up your asses.


Say what you want about Soviets, but Tsar Bomba it was impressive accomplishment
/Only rivaled by Tsar Kolokol and Tsar Pushka
2013-08-29 10:14:05 AM
1 votes:
Saving face is a HORRIBLE reason to kill people, morally and strategically.

Not that I'd put it past Obama, but still.
2013-08-29 10:08:49 AM
1 votes:

Weaver95: I just don't understand why we seem to be gearing up to attack syria. If I were anyone living in the middle east I'd think the us is nuts. Well armed and very hypocritical too...but mostly insane. This makes no sense to me.


The US has been angling to attack Syria since at least the early 90's. This is all part of a larger plan to cement US power in the Middle East. Iraq - Syria - Iran. We are trying to make sure all regions in the area around the future Iran-to-Mediterranean Sea oil pipeline are friendly to us, or at least controllable by us. Syria's government is allied with Russia and China, and therefore must go.

I know a lot of people are saying it's just a face-saving maneuver since Obama made the "red line" statement. I don't know if this will convince them otherwise, but I suggest going back through the US's war history - hell, any country's war history - and try to find examples where the stated reason for attacking turned out to be the real reason for attacking.
2013-08-29 10:07:57 AM
1 votes:

Gdalescrboz: Iran just sealed Syrias fate.  The West will bomb Syria hoping Iran follows through so they have a valid excuse to bomb Irans nuclear facilities


We wont need to - Iran goes after Israel, Israel will go all spidermonkey on them.
2013-08-29 10:03:54 AM
1 votes:
BAD!

All you naughty monkeys go re-read your Huntington.

claudiolandi.files.wordpress.com
2013-08-29 10:02:51 AM
1 votes:
Iran just sealed Syrias fate.  The West will bomb Syria hoping Iran follows through so they have a valid excuse to bomb Irans nuclear facilities
2013-08-29 09:58:38 AM
1 votes:

Tr0mBoNe: The US has more than enough Tomahawks to handle that.

unfortunately.


And the inventory needs freshening.
2013-08-29 09:56:49 AM
1 votes:
Yup, Cowboys and Muslims.

I scoff at your "reasons" and reasoning. The 1% that run this country do not wish to hear your feeble whimpers.
You will be told when to launch and how high.
2013-08-29 09:52:44 AM
1 votes:
Nothing will happen. Any strike against Israel would be met with a regime-changing response. Syria knows that they'll lose some missile batteries and logistics so widening the war by attacking anyone else is stupid if they want to defeat the rebels and remain power.
2013-08-29 09:35:07 AM
1 votes:

basemetal: We help, the people will still hate us.

We don't help, the people will still hate us.......


We need to send our most experienced elder statesmen in Middle Easter affairs to Syria to resolve this conflict. That would be Bush II and Cheney.
2013-08-29 09:31:42 AM
1 votes:

basemetal: We help, the people will still hate us.

We don't help, the people will still hate us.......


This!

How about we let Israel do it so we can flip the double bird to Iran?
2013-08-29 08:44:28 AM
1 votes:
Wasn't this the premise for WWI?

Lots of allies all set up and then someone went and did something stupid?
2013-08-29 08:35:38 AM
1 votes:

Weaver95: I just don't understand why we seem to be gearing up to attack syria. If I were anyone living in the middle east I'd think the us is nuts. Well armed and very hypocritical too...but mostly insane. This makes no sense to me.


It's your habit of drawing lines in the sand.  Eventually when those lines keep getting crossed you have to do something, or no one will take you seriously.  Not that many do in that region anyway...
 
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