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(Chron)   Iran works with Russia to stop the US from attacking Syria by threatening to attack Israel. I guess it's pretty serious   (chron.com) divider line 187
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2013-08-29 10:21:08 AM  

nekom: Can't we work out a deal with Russia?  How about YOU guys go in there, install a puppet of your choosing and call it a day?


He's your drunk friend Russia, you take care of him.  While you do that, we'll try and clean up the mess he made by sending some aid for those displaced children who made it to the refugee camps.
 
2013-08-29 10:21:40 AM  

GRCooper: Old_Chief_Scott: Weaver95: I just don't understand why we seem to be gearing up to attack syria. If I were anyone living in the middle east I'd think the us is nuts. Well armed and very hypocritical too...but mostly insane. This makes no sense to me.

I agree. If it's really about Assad there are plenty of other ways to take him out. My concern is that the so-called "rebel alliance" ( rebel scum?) doesn't really have the backing of the citizenry. It looks more like every man for himself.

It's a religious civil war. Shiia against Sunni.

Helping one side against the other will translate into "the USA has chosen to persecute the Alawite (Shiia) in favor of the Sunni" throughout much of the Islamic world

Reason #1 we shouldn't touch this mess ...


The Sunnis are our BFFs in the region: Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Al qaeda...
 
2013-08-29 10:25:12 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: I hope all the people who have a dog in this oil fight remember this picture:

[edgecast.metatube-files.buscafs.com image 377x237]

It is the Tsar Bomba hydrogen bomb detonation. The largest hydrogen bomb ever detonated.

Now let's compare the Tsar Bomba with other nuclear weapon detonations.

[phobos.ramapo.edu image 438x267]

Hiroshima is the second little nubbin on the lower left.

Hiroshima has killed over 200,000 people so far--it keeps killing people to this day.

I hope people enjoy their oil profits. You're going to end up destroying the world. Literally. Please take your greed and have the hired help shove it up your asses.


Tsar Bomba was dumb.
It wasn't ICBM deployable
It almost killed the bomber crew.
It was insanely expensive.
Most of it's energy was directed into space.

It was a bad idea.
 
2013-08-29 10:25:22 AM  

LasersHurt: stevenboof: LewDux: stevenboof: LasersHurt: TheShavingofOccam123: I hope all the people who have a dog in this oil fight remember this picture:

Is someone going to release Tsar Bomba II or what is your thing here

Does Russia even have the means to transport Tsar Bomba anywhere near the US?

[totallycoolpix.com image 850x597]

So, Putin is going to use his mind control to send it to the US?

Worse, the Russians have finally mastered Photoshop.


IN POST-SOVIET RUSSIA, PHOTOSHOP MASTERS YOU!!1!

/1986...19 farking 86
 
2013-08-29 10:26:04 AM  

simplicimus: GRCooper: Old_Chief_Scott: Weaver95: I just don't understand why we seem to be gearing up to attack syria. If I were anyone living in the middle east I'd think the us is nuts. Well armed and very hypocritical too...but mostly insane. This makes no sense to me.

I agree. If it's really about Assad there are plenty of other ways to take him out. My concern is that the so-called "rebel alliance" ( rebel scum?) doesn't really have the backing of the citizenry. It looks more like every man for himself.

It's a religious civil war. Shiia against Sunni.

Helping one side against the other will translate into "the USA has chosen to persecute the Alawite (Shiia) in favor of the Sunni" throughout much of the Islamic world

Reason #1 we shouldn't touch this mess ...

The Sunnis are our BFFs in the region: Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Al qaeda...


Exactly - so let them help the rebels.
 
2013-08-29 10:28:40 AM  

AngryDragon: TheShavingofOccam123: I hope all the people who have a dog in this oil fight remember this picture:

[edgecast.metatube-files.buscafs.com image 377x237]

It is the Tsar Bomba hydrogen bomb detonation. The largest hydrogen bomb ever detonated.

Now let's compare the Tsar Bomba with other nuclear weapon detonations.

[phobos.ramapo.edu image 438x267]

Hiroshima is the second little nubbin on the lower left.

Hiroshima has killed over 200,000 people so far--it keeps killing people to this day.

I hope people enjoy their oil profits. You're going to end up destroying the world. Literally. Please take your greed and have the hired help shove it up your asses.

[img.photobucket.com image 450x360]
[thedailyshow.mtvnimages.com image 480x360]


Did you have an actual argument against TheShavingofOccam123's point, or did you just come into the thread to insult and mock people?
 
2013-08-29 10:28:49 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: I hope all the people who have a dog in this oil fight remember this picture:



It is the Tsar Bomba hydrogen bomb detonation. The largest hydrogen bomb ever detonated.

Now let's compare the Tsar Bomba with other nuclear weapon detonations.



Hiroshima is the second little nubbin on the lower left.

Hiroshima has killed over 200,000 people so far--it keeps killing people to this day.

I hope people enjoy their oil profits. You're going to end up destroying the world. Literally. Please take your greed and have the hired help shove it up your asses.


Meh, the way things are going, I wasn't expecting to get laid again anyways.
 
2013-08-29 10:29:13 AM  
Why does this image pop in my head when I read this thread...

pdxretro.com

Escalation, baby. It's called escalation.
 
2013-08-29 10:30:35 AM  

simplicimus: GRCooper: Old_Chief_Scott: Weaver95: I just don't understand why we seem to be gearing up to attack syria. If I were anyone living in the middle east I'd think the us is nuts. Well armed and very hypocritical too...but mostly insane. This makes no sense to me.

I agree. If it's really about Assad there are plenty of other ways to take him out. My concern is that the so-called "rebel alliance" ( rebel scum?) doesn't really have the backing of the citizenry. It looks more like every man for himself.

It's a religious civil war. Shiia against Sunni.

Helping one side against the other will translate into "the USA has chosen to persecute the Alawite (Shiia) in favor of the Sunni" throughout much of the Islamic world

Reason #1 we shouldn't touch this mess ...

The Sunnis are our BFFs in the region: Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Al qaeda...


...Saddam Hussein...
 
2013-08-29 10:30:48 AM  

WTF Indeed: Nothing will happen. Any strike against Israel would be met with a regime-changing response. Syria knows that they'll lose some missile batteries and logistics so widening the war by attacking anyone else is stupid if they want to defeat the rebels and remain power.


another twist is any retaliation by Israel will be me with an everyone-attack-israel response from the whole middle east. Remember Gulf War 1? Iraq was doing it's damndest to drag Israel into the war by firing scuds into Tel Aviv but the US managed to convince Israel to not retaliate ( buy whoever made that sale a coke btw ).

Heard on the news this morning that someone in congress asked "how does attacking Syria make the US safer?". That's a really good question and I believe the president has to have an answer in order to use force outside of the UN and congress but i could be wrong. I don't believe the easy answer "but Assad has chemical weapons" is good enough anymore.
 
2013-08-29 10:31:11 AM  

YixilTesiphon: simplicimus: GRCooper: Old_Chief_Scott: Weaver95: I just don't understand why we seem to be gearing up to attack syria. If I were anyone living in the middle east I'd think the us is nuts. Well armed and very hypocritical too...but mostly insane. This makes no sense to me.

I agree. If it's really about Assad there are plenty of other ways to take him out. My concern is that the so-called "rebel alliance" ( rebel scum?) doesn't really have the backing of the citizenry. It looks more like every man for himself.

It's a religious civil war. Shiia against Sunni.

Helping one side against the other will translate into "the USA has chosen to persecute the Alawite (Shiia) in favor of the Sunni" throughout much of the Islamic world

Reason #1 we shouldn't touch this mess ...

The Sunnis are our BFFs in the region: Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Al qaeda...

...Saddam Hussein...


CIA puppet
 
2013-08-29 10:31:30 AM  
Man, that cold war era nuke hysteria still hasn't worn off.

Even the biggest nuke ever would only do heavy damage to a couple square miles at most. They aren't the world enders they are in hollywood.

If you do see them used, it will be for the EMP effect. You'll be left alive, only to slowly starve to death or be killed when the supermarkets run out of food.
 
2013-08-29 10:31:48 AM  
One would think Israel's got Iran covered. Hell, we've been having to hold Israel back from cleaning their clock more than once.
 
2013-08-29 10:32:16 AM  

Gdalescrboz: Iran just sealed Syrias fate.  The West will bomb Syria hoping Iran follows through so they have a valid excuse to bomb Irans nuclear facilities


Yup.  And Iran just installed better centrifuges so you can bet there are people drooling at the chance to rain some cruise missiles down on them.
 
2013-08-29 10:32:41 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Man, that cold war era nuke hysteria still hasn't worn off.

Even the biggest nuke ever would only do heavy damage to a couple square miles at most. They aren't the world enders they are in hollywood.

If you do see them used, it will be for the EMP effect. You'll be left alive, only to slowly starve to death or be killed when the supermarkets run out of food.


Was the concept of nuclear winter debunked when I wasn't looking?
 
2013-08-29 10:32:47 AM  

simplicimus: GRCooper: Helping one side against the other will translate into "the USA has chosen to persecute the Alawite (Shiia) in favor of the Sunni" throughout much of the Islamic world

Reason #1 we shouldn't touch this mess ...

The Sunnis are our BFFs in the region: Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Al qaeda...


I was all set to toss Inigo Montoya at you until I reread your list.
 
2013-08-29 10:34:49 AM  

LewDux: stevenboof: LasersHurt: TheShavingofOccam123: I hope all the people who have a dog in this oil fight remember this picture:

Is someone going to release Tsar Bomba II or what is your thing here

Does Russia even have the means to transport Tsar Bomba anywhere near the US?

[totallycoolpix.com image 850x597]


Wrong - tsar bombed had to be dropped from a bomber - the only operation rocket what could that fat bastard into orbit were the Saturn V
 
2013-08-29 10:35:14 AM  

lockers: Which all goes back to there being zero upside to starting a war with Syria. The consequences will be huge and the benefits are zilch. Expect this whole thing to blow up in our face.


Expect the British press to beat the drums and try and stir the pot.

They will try to drag the US into some kind of lame action.   Lame would be lobbing a fiew cruise missles.  The US would have to be mindless, literally mindless to get sucked into another expensive action....that solves little.
 
2013-08-29 10:38:55 AM  

netcentric: lockers: Which all goes back to there being zero upside to starting a war with Syria. The consequences will be huge and the benefits are zilch. Expect this whole thing to blow up in our face.

Expect the British press to beat the drums and try and stir the pot.

They will try to drag the US into some kind of lame action.   Lame would be lobbing a fiew cruise missles.  The US would have to be mindless, literally mindless to get sucked into another expensive action....that solves little.


We're good and f*cked, aren't we?
 
2013-08-29 10:39:24 AM  

ciberido: Did you have an actual argument against TheShavingofOccam123's point, or did you just come into the thread to insult and mock people?


Since I can't seem to figure out what a non-operational test nuclear device (Tsar Bomba), Hiroshima, and missile strikes in Syria have in common, or even apply in this context, I'm going with mocking.

Even if the Russians had another Tsar Bomba, it was useless as a combat weapon.
Hiroshima was the first nuclear detonation.  No one knew the full effects of atomic weapons at the time.
Neither of them have anything to do with tactical, conventional strikes in Syria unless it is to use nuclear weapons as a fear tactic.

There are enough reasons not to get involved in Syria without trying to manufacture more.
 
2013-08-29 10:39:57 AM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Was the concept of nuclear winter debunked when I wasn't looking?


It would seem so.
 
2013-08-29 10:41:17 AM  

Publikwerks: LewDux: stevenboof: LasersHurt: TheShavingofOccam123: I hope all the people who have a dog in this oil fight remember this picture:

Is someone going to release Tsar Bomba II or what is your thing here

Does Russia even have the means to transport Tsar Bomba anywhere near the US?

[totallycoolpix.com image 850x597]

Wrong - tsar bombed had to be dropped from a bomber - the only operation rocket what could that fat bastard into orbit were the Saturn V


Wow, grammer hard.

Anyway, what I meat was the Saturn V was the only rocket capable of lifting the 27,000 K bomb into orbit that I know of...
 
2013-08-29 10:41:57 AM  
I've come to the conclusion that Republicans unnecessarily beat the drum on action in Syria to lure the President in so that one of three things would happen:

1)  They'd embarass him in front of the entire world
2)  They'd finally have an impeachable offense
3)  WWIII could be put on him
 
2013-08-29 10:41:58 AM  

UrukHaiGuyz: J. Frank Parnell: Man, that cold war era nuke hysteria still hasn't worn off.

Even the biggest nuke ever would only do heavy damage to a couple square miles at most. They aren't the world enders they are in hollywood.

If you do see them used, it will be for the EMP effect. You'll be left alive, only to slowly starve to death or be killed when the supermarkets run out of food.

Was the concept of nuclear winter debunked when I wasn't looking?


Sort of, the theory is still there but real world events that should have had the same effect ( Iraqi oil field fires, large volcano eruptions ) did not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter

In my mind the long lasting effects from global nuclear warfare would be economic and disease. You can count on total economic collapse and a rise in various cancers and birth defects from radiation exposure. I believe everything else would follow from those two long lasting catastrophes.
 
2013-08-29 10:42:57 AM  

Publikwerks: LewDux: stevenboof: LasersHurt: TheShavingofOccam123: I hope all the people who have a dog in this oil fight remember this picture:

Is someone going to release Tsar Bomba II or what is your thing here

Does Russia even have the means to transport Tsar Bomba anywhere near the US?

[totallycoolpix.com image 850x597]

Wrong - tsar bombed had to be dropped from a bomber - the only operation rocket what could that fat bastard into orbit were the Saturn V


  + totallycoolpix.com
 
2013-08-29 10:43:30 AM  

Agarista: BAD!

All you naughty monkeys go re-read your Huntington.

[claudiolandi.files.wordpress.com image 314x475]


Yes, neoconservatism is clearly the answer. It's worked so well for us.
 
2013-08-29 10:45:25 AM  
www.jpattitude.com+ img.fark.net
FTFM
 
2013-08-29 10:45:35 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: UrukHaiGuyz: Was the concept of nuclear winter debunked when I wasn't looking?

It would seem so.


Skimmed through that thread, and it still seems fairly inconclusive what type of climactic disruptions would/could occur. What doesn't seem uncertain is that a large-scale nuclear war would kill billions through disruptions to the food supply chain alone. So....yeah.
 
2013-08-29 10:45:41 AM  

AngryDragon: ciberido: Did you have an actual argument against

TheShavingofOccam123's point, or did you just come into the thread to insult and mock people?

Since I can't seem to figure out what a non-operational test nuclear device (Tsar Bomba), Hiroshima, and missile strikes in Syria have in common, or even apply in this context, I'm going with mocking.

Even if the Russians had another Tsar Bomba, it was useless as a combat weapon.
Hiroshima was the first nuclear detonation.  No one knew the full effects of atomic weapons at the time.
Neither of them have anything to do with tactical, conventional strikes in Syria unless it is to use nuclear weapons as a fear tactic.

There are enough reasons not to get involved in Syria without trying to manufacture more.


Fair enough.
 
2013-08-29 10:48:28 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-29 10:49:28 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Man, that cold war era nuke hysteria still hasn't worn off.


Ok. How about some pre-cold war era hysteria instead? Here's why we invented that little burp called Hiroshima.

Harry Truman, on the approach to approving the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, said he didn't want
"another Okinawa from one end of Japan to the other."

 Well, let's examine Okinawa and see why it was so bad and so fore-boding...

In the battle of Okinawa, 250,000 people were killed in a battle over 463 square miles that lasted 82 days.
Among US losses were 12 destroyers and 768 aircraft.

Now let's expand that to match the size of Japan's 4 main islands. They are 302 times larger than Okinawa. The math yields the following:

The battle for mainland Japan would have lasted 68 years, killed 76,000,000 people with 3600 destroyers sunk and 231,936 aircraft destroyed.* That's why the little bomb we dropped on Hiroshima was invented.

*Uh, depending on the breaks.
 
2013-08-29 10:53:07 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: J. Frank Parnell: Man, that cold war era nuke hysteria still hasn't worn off.

Ok. How about some pre-cold war era hysteria instead? Here's why we invented that little burp called Hiroshima.

Harry Truman, on the approach to approving the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, said he didn't want
"another Okinawa from one end of Japan to the other."

 Well, let's examine Okinawa and see why it was so bad and so fore-boding...

In the battle of Okinawa, 250,000 people were killed in a battle over 463 square miles that lasted 82 days.
Among US losses were 12 destroyers and 768 aircraft.

Now let's expand that to match the size of Japan's 4 main islands. They are 302 times larger than Okinawa. The math yields the following:

The battle for mainland Japan would have lasted 68 years, killed 76,000,000 people with 3600 destroyers sunk and 231,936 aircraft destroyed.* That's why the little bomb we dropped on Hiroshima was invented.

*Uh, depending on the breaks.


Meh, we should have dropped it on Tokyo.
 
2013-08-29 10:53:18 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: J. Frank Parnell: Man, that cold war era nuke hysteria still hasn't worn off.

Ok. How about some pre-cold war era hysteria instead? Here's why we invented that little burp called Hiroshima.

Harry Truman, on the approach to approving the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, said he didn't want
"another Okinawa from one end of Japan to the other."

 Well, let's examine Okinawa and see why it was so bad and so fore-boding...

In the battle of Okinawa, 250,000 people were killed in a battle over 463 square miles that lasted 82 days.
Among US losses were 12 destroyers and 768 aircraft.

Now let's expand that to match the size of Japan's 4 main islands. They are 302 times larger than Okinawa. The math yields the following:

The battle for mainland Japan would have lasted 68 years, killed 76,000,000 people with 3600 destroyers sunk and 231,936 aircraft destroyed.* That's why the little bomb we dropped on Hiroshima was invented.

*Uh, depending on the breaks.


It doesn't work like that.
 
2013-08-29 10:54:22 AM  

netcentric: The US would have to be mindless, literally mindless to get sucked into another expensive action....that solves little.


The course is laid. Come hell or high water, we are going to get involved in this unpopular mess. At this point the only rational course is to paint everyone cheerleading this as the deluded chicken hawks they are. Remind them constantly of just how insipid and disastrous this course of action is. The only reason they can give is to stop chemical attacks, which this has zero chance of accomplishing. What the result will be is to create another Iran and 9/11. This will be Obama's legacy and it will not be a kind one.
 
2013-08-29 10:56:19 AM  

muck4doo: TheShavingofOccam123: J. Frank Parnell: Man, that cold war era nuke hysteria still hasn't worn off.

Ok. How about some pre-cold war era hysteria instead? Here's why we invented that little burp called Hiroshima.

Harry Truman, on the approach to approving the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, said he didn't want
"another Okinawa from one end of Japan to the other."

 Well, let's examine Okinawa and see why it was so bad and so fore-boding...

In the battle of Okinawa, 250,000 people were killed in a battle over 463 square miles that lasted 82 days.
Among US losses were 12 destroyers and 768 aircraft.

Now let's expand that to match the size of Japan's 4 main islands. They are 302 times larger than Okinawa. The math yields the following:

The battle for mainland Japan would have lasted 68 years, killed 76,000,000 people with 3600 destroyers sunk and 231,936 aircraft destroyed.* That's why the little bomb we dropped on Hiroshima was invented.

*Uh, depending on the breaks.

It doesn't work like that.


I'll go a long way to fit in a Dr. Strangelove quote...
 
2013-08-29 10:57:48 AM  
TheShavingofOccam123:
It is the Tsar Bomba hydrogen bomb detonation. The largest hydrogen bomb ever detonated.

Tsar Bomba was an interesting development, but basically everybody agrees that it has pretty much no strategic value.  It was simply an exercise in nationalism.
 
2013-08-29 11:02:17 AM  

Nightjars: TheShavingofOccam123:
It is the Tsar Bomba hydrogen bomb detonation. The largest hydrogen bomb ever detonated.

Tsar Bomba was an interesting development, but basically everybody agrees that it has pretty much no strategic value.  It was simply an exercise in nationalism.


Like our retarded forays into the Middle East over the last decade?
 
2013-08-29 11:05:01 AM  

LasersHurt: stevenboof: LewDux: stevenboof: LasersHurt: TheShavingofOccam123: I hope all the people who have a dog in this oil fight remember this picture:

Is someone going to release Tsar Bomba II or what is your thing here

Does Russia even have the means to transport Tsar Bomba anywhere near the US?

[totallycoolpix.com image 850x597]

So, Putin is going to use his mind control to send it to the US?

Worse, the Russians have finally mastered Photoshop.


 I heard they sold their Photoshop abilities to Iran.
 
2013-08-29 11:05:53 AM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Nightjars: TheShavingofOccam123:
It is the Tsar Bomba hydrogen bomb detonation. The largest hydrogen bomb ever detonated.

Tsar Bomba was an interesting development, but basically everybody agrees that it has pretty much no strategic value.  It was simply an exercise in nationalism.

Like our retarded forays into the Middle East over the last decade?


The spice must flow.
 
2013-08-29 11:06:25 AM  

chasd00: the US managed to convince Israel to not retaliate ( buy whoever made that sale a coke btw ).


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-08-29 11:09:08 AM  
If you're tired of the wars, go for Rand Paul in 2016.
 
2013-08-29 11:09:33 AM  

nekom: sno man:
It's your habit of drawing lines in the sand.  Eventually when those lines keep getting crossed you have to do something, or no one will take you seriously.  Not that many do in that region anyway...

You mean like when Bush said we would NOT tolerate a nuclear best Korea, then when they tested a few nukes we totally did absolutely nothing about it?


B b b but "that's different" (tm)
 
2013-08-29 11:13:35 AM  

Spare Me: If you're tired of the wars, go for Rand Paul in 2016.


A race war is a war. It's not a NASCAR event.
 
2013-08-29 11:14:04 AM  

Publikwerks: TheShavingofOccam123: I hope all the people who have a dog in this oil fight remember this picture:

[edgecast.metatube-files.buscafs.com image 377x237]

It is the Tsar Bomba hydrogen bomb detonation. The largest hydrogen bomb ever detonated.

Now let's compare the Tsar Bomba with other nuclear weapon detonations.

[phobos.ramapo.edu image 438x267]

Hiroshima is the second little nubbin on the lower left.

Hiroshima has killed over 200,000 people so far--it keeps killing people to this day.

I hope people enjoy their oil profits. You're going to end up destroying the world. Literally. Please take your greed and have the hired help shove it up your asses.

Tsar Bomba was dumb.
It wasn't ICBM deployable
It almost killed the bomber crew.
It was insanely expensive.
Most of it's energy was directed into space.

It was a bad idea.


When you're in a dick-waving contest, bigger is always better. It didn't need to be practical, it just needed to be BIG. And it was.
 
2013-08-29 11:14:51 AM  

AngryDragon: ciberido: Did you have an actual argument against TheShavingofOccam123's point, or did you just come into the thread to insult and mock people?

Since I can't seem to figure out what a non-operational test nuclear device (Tsar Bomba), Hiroshima, and missile strikes in Syria have in common, or even apply in this context, I'm going with mocking.

Even if the Russians had another Tsar Bomba, it was useless as a combat weapon.
Hiroshima was the first nuclear detonation.  No one knew the full effects of atomic weapons at the time.
Neither of them have anything to do with tactical, conventional strikes in Syria unless it is to use nuclear weapons as a fear tactic.

There are enough reasons not to get involved in Syria without trying to manufacture more.


I agree, but to nitpick, the Trinity test at Alamagordo was the first nuke detonation, not Hiroshima.
 
2013-08-29 11:17:55 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Spare Me: If you're tired of the wars, go for Rand Paul in 2016.

A race war is a war. It's not a NASCAR event.


New definition of "lunatic fringe": somebody who thinks Rand Paul wants a race war.

He is far too much of a social conservative for my tastes, but NSA spying on citizens and endless war are more important issues.
 
2013-08-29 11:18:14 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: The battle for mainland Japan would have lasted 68 years, killed 76,000,000 people with 3600 destroyers sunk and 231,936 aircraft destroyed.* That's why the little bomb we dropped on Hiroshima was invented.


Yeah, i know that's what they teach in US schools now.

Lets see what everyone directly involved at the time had to say.
 
2013-08-29 11:19:49 AM  

Mike_1962: AngryDragon: ciberido: Did you have an actual argument against TheShavingofOccam123's point, or did you just come into the thread to insult and mock people?

Since I can't seem to figure out what a non-operational test nuclear device (Tsar Bomba), Hiroshima, and missile strikes in Syria have in common, or even apply in this context, I'm going with mocking.

Even if the Russians had another Tsar Bomba, it was useless as a combat weapon.
Hiroshima was the first nuclear combat detonation.  No one knew the full effects of atomic weapons at the time.
Neither of them have anything to do with tactical, conventional strikes in Syria unless it is to use nuclear weapons as a fear tactic.

There are enough reasons not to get involved in Syria without trying to manufacture more.

I agree, but to nitpick, the Trinity test at Alamagordo was the first nuke detonation, not Hiroshima.


Fair enough, FTFM
 
2013-08-29 11:21:19 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Spare Me: If you're tired of the wars, go for Rand Paul in 2016.

A race war is a war. It's not a NASCAR event.


That's a dumb comment. I guess you like all the wars then. I prefer someone who actually values and follows the Constitution, but that's just me I guess.
 
2013-08-29 11:21:20 AM  

YixilTesiphon: chasd00: the US managed to convince Israel to not retaliate ( buy whoever made that sale a coke btw ).

[upload.wikimedia.org image 180x240]


hm
someone make a website where I can point it an address and make a payment have a coke sent to them. buythatmanacoke.com or something...
 
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  4. Click here to submit a link.

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