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(Chron)   Iran works with Russia to stop the US from attacking Syria by threatening to attack Israel. I guess it's pretty serious   (chron.com) divider line 187
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2013-08-29 08:13:36 AM
I just don't understand why we seem to be gearing up to attack syria. If I were anyone living in the middle east I'd think the us is nuts. Well armed and very hypocritical too...but mostly insane. This makes no sense to me.
 
2013-08-29 08:31:38 AM
Can't we work out a deal with Russia?  How about YOU guys go in there, install a puppet of your choosing and call it a day?
 
2013-08-29 08:35:38 AM

Weaver95: I just don't understand why we seem to be gearing up to attack syria. If I were anyone living in the middle east I'd think the us is nuts. Well armed and very hypocritical too...but mostly insane. This makes no sense to me.


It's your habit of drawing lines in the sand.  Eventually when those lines keep getting crossed you have to do something, or no one will take you seriously.  Not that many do in that region anyway...
 
2013-08-29 08:36:37 AM
From the chief of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard ""The Zionists should know that a U.S. military attack on Syria will not save the fake regime from the resistance but it means the immediate destruction of Israel," he was quoted as saying."
Banking on divine intervention, I presume.
 
2013-08-29 08:41:58 AM
sno man:
It's your habit of drawing lines in the sand.  Eventually when those lines keep getting crossed you have to do something, or no one will take you seriously.  Not that many do in that region anyway...

You mean like when Bush said we would NOT tolerate a nuclear best Korea, then when they tested a few nukes we totally did absolutely nothing about it?
 
2013-08-29 08:44:28 AM
Wasn't this the premise for WWI?

Lots of allies all set up and then someone went and did something stupid?
 
2013-08-29 08:49:48 AM

Nadie_AZ: Wasn't this the premise for WWI?

Lots of allies all set up and then someone went and did something stupid?


I think we're all out of Archdukes.
 
2013-08-29 08:50:43 AM

Nadie_AZ: Wasn't this the premise for WWI?

Lots of allies all set up and then someone went and did something stupid?


Like saying "I love you"?
 
2013-08-29 09:10:36 AM

Slaxl: Nadie_AZ: Wasn't this the premise for WWI?

Lots of allies all set up and then someone went and did something stupid?

Like saying "I love you"?


"Quit slouching in your chair!"
 
2013-08-29 09:12:51 AM
The US has more than enough Tomahawks to handle that.

unfortunately.
 
2013-08-29 09:18:00 AM
We help, the people will still hate us.

We don't help, the people will still hate us.......
 
2013-08-29 09:31:42 AM

basemetal: We help, the people will still hate us.

We don't help, the people will still hate us.......


This!

How about we let Israel do it so we can flip the double bird to Iran?
 
2013-08-29 09:35:07 AM

basemetal: We help, the people will still hate us.

We don't help, the people will still hate us.......


We need to send our most experienced elder statesmen in Middle Easter affairs to Syria to resolve this conflict. That would be Bush II and Cheney.
 
2013-08-29 09:52:24 AM

Weaver95: I just don't understand why we seem to be gearing up to attack syria.


It's cool.  He's got a Nobel Peace Prize.  He knows what he's doing.
 
2013-08-29 09:52:44 AM
Nothing will happen. Any strike against Israel would be met with a regime-changing response. Syria knows that they'll lose some missile batteries and logistics so widening the war by attacking anyone else is stupid if they want to defeat the rebels and remain power.
 
2013-08-29 09:52:49 AM
Which all goes back to there being zero upside to starting a war with Syria. The consequences will be huge and the benefits are zilch. Expect this whole thing to blow up in our face.
 
2013-08-29 09:52:53 AM

simplicimus: Nadie_AZ: Wasn't this the premise for WWI?

Lots of allies all set up and then someone went and did something stupid?

I think we're all out of Archdukes.


ArchDuke archsucks.
 
2013-08-29 09:53:46 AM
The reason for the US to strike Syria is so that Israel doesn't.

1) If the US bombs Syria, what can they do? Conventional warfare from 6000 miles away? A suicide bomb at an embassy (resulting in MORE drones a-flyin')? If Israel bombs Syria, it'd make the Second Intifada look like a lame frat party.
2) If Israel attacks, they'll be far less restrained than the US. We'd send some cruise missiles and a few drones; Israel would roll tanks and flatten enough area for a DMZ (if not worse).
3) If Israel is the aggressor, the response would definitely come from Syria, Iran, Hezbollah-controlled areas of Lebanon... If the US is the aggressor, Syria's probably on their own, with maybe some equipment from China/Russia and rhetoric from Iran (possibly some light insurgency sourced to them, like Pakistanis in Afghanistan).
 
2013-08-29 09:54:32 AM

lockers: Which all goes back to there being zero upside to starting a war with Syria. The consequences will be huge and the benefits are zilch. Expect this whole thing to blow up in our face.


Last time something "blew up in my face", I wiped it off, replayed the tape to make sure we were all in focus, then called it a day.

/just ice cream
 
2013-08-29 09:56:49 AM
Yup, Cowboys and Muslims.

I scoff at your "reasons" and reasoning. The 1% that run this country do not wish to hear your feeble whimpers.
You will be told when to launch and how high.
 
2013-08-29 09:58:38 AM

Tr0mBoNe: The US has more than enough Tomahawks to handle that.

unfortunately.


And the inventory needs freshening.
 
2013-08-29 09:59:58 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-29 10:01:44 AM

Weaver95: I just don't understand why we seem to be gearing up to attack syria. If I were anyone living in the middle east I'd think the us is nuts. Well armed and very hypocritical too...but mostly insane. This makes no sense to me.


I agree. If it's really about Assad there are plenty of other ways to take him out. My concern is that the so-called "rebel alliance" ( rebel scum?) doesn't really have the backing of the citizenry. It looks more like every man for himself.
 
2013-08-29 10:02:28 AM
Syrians are killing Syrians.  Which in no way means the US needs to get involved.

What does Obama/Kerry/Hagel want to do ?  Kill Syrians ?    Uhm.... they already are doing that.

No, the US is broke.   The credit cards are maxed out.   We don't need more debt.

If the Euros want to go kill Syrians...let them.   And this time they don't have to tag along on the US's coat tails.   Good luck EU,  have at them...
 
2013-08-29 10:02:31 AM

basemetal: We help, the people will still hate us.

We don't help, the people will still hate us.......


If the US isn't hated for not getting involved in the Second Congo War before it killed 5 million people you probably don't have anything to worry about with Syria.
 
2013-08-29 10:02:51 AM
Iran just sealed Syrias fate.  The West will bomb Syria hoping Iran follows through so they have a valid excuse to bomb Irans nuclear facilities
 
2013-08-29 10:03:54 AM
BAD!

All you naughty monkeys go re-read your Huntington.

claudiolandi.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-29 10:07:25 AM

nekom: sno man:
It's your habit of drawing lines in the sand.  Eventually when those lines keep getting crossed you have to do something, or no one will take you seriously.  Not that many do in that region anyway...

You mean like when Bush said we would NOT tolerate a nuclear best Korea, then when they tested a few nukes we totally did absolutely nothing about it?


Actually we organized world sanctions against NK in hopes of crippling their ability to produce and/or test nukes, or at least hurt them enough that they stopped. The only problem with that is the NK regime doesn't care how much the people starve so they just funneled more money into the program with great cost to the citizens. So we didn't exactly do nothing, but we did all we could do without starting an all out war that would create more problems than it would solve.

As far as Syria goes, I say let them kill one another and stay out of it.
 
2013-08-29 10:07:57 AM

Gdalescrboz: Iran just sealed Syrias fate.  The West will bomb Syria hoping Iran follows through so they have a valid excuse to bomb Irans nuclear facilities


We wont need to - Iran goes after Israel, Israel will go all spidermonkey on them.
 
2013-08-29 10:08:04 AM

Nadie_AZ: Wasn't this the premise for WWI?

Lots of allies all set up and then someone went and did something stupid?


Not quite. It was lots of allies of fairly equal military capabilities all set up then someone went and did something stupid. I don't think this is quite the case here. One side is at a severe disadvantage, because neither the Russian or Chinese militaries are going to get involved.
 
2013-08-29 10:08:20 AM

nekom: sno man:
It's your habit of drawing lines in the sand.  Eventually when those lines keep getting crossed you have to do something, or no one will take you seriously.  Not that many do in that region anyway...

You mean like when Bush said we would NOT tolerate a nuclear best Korea, then when they tested a few nukes we totally did absolutely nothing about it?


You're going to b...b...but Bush using something that was completely on the Clinton administration, in response to something completely on the Obama administration?

Leave your partisanship at the door for once and discuss the current issue like a rational adult.
 
2013-08-29 10:08:23 AM
Every time Iran mentions US action will kick the hornets nest that is the mid east and they'll all take it out on Israel, US media claims Iran said it is going to nuke Israel.
 
2013-08-29 10:08:49 AM

Weaver95: I just don't understand why we seem to be gearing up to attack syria. If I were anyone living in the middle east I'd think the us is nuts. Well armed and very hypocritical too...but mostly insane. This makes no sense to me.


The US has been angling to attack Syria since at least the early 90's. This is all part of a larger plan to cement US power in the Middle East. Iraq - Syria - Iran. We are trying to make sure all regions in the area around the future Iran-to-Mediterranean Sea oil pipeline are friendly to us, or at least controllable by us. Syria's government is allied with Russia and China, and therefore must go.

I know a lot of people are saying it's just a face-saving maneuver since Obama made the "red line" statement. I don't know if this will convince them otherwise, but I suggest going back through the US's war history - hell, any country's war history - and try to find examples where the stated reason for attacking turned out to be the real reason for attacking.
 
2013-08-29 10:09:33 AM
right...because 'I'm sure' that Iran and Russia are very concerned about this hostile move on the US' part...
 
2013-08-29 10:09:38 AM

Weaver95: I just don't understand why we seem to be gearing up to attack syria.


So we can invade it and then hand all the oil rights over to China, just like what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
2013-08-29 10:11:10 AM
Someone enlighten me: the issue isn't thousands of dead people but rather if they were gassed and who passed the gas? Is this a car full of teenage boys or country of murdering savages?
 
2013-08-29 10:12:12 AM
I hope all the people who have a dog in this oil fight remember this picture:

edgecast.metatube-files.buscafs.com

It is the Tsar Bomba hydrogen bomb detonation. The largest hydrogen bomb ever detonated.

Now let's compare the Tsar Bomba with other nuclear weapon detonations.

phobos.ramapo.edu

Hiroshima is the second little nubbin on the lower left.

Hiroshima has killed over 200,000 people so far--it keeps killing people to this day.

I hope people enjoy their oil profits. You're going to end up destroying the world. Literally. Please take your greed and have the hired help shove it up your asses.
 
2013-08-29 10:14:05 AM
Saving face is a HORRIBLE reason to kill people, morally and strategically.

Not that I'd put it past Obama, but still.
 
2013-08-29 10:15:22 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: I hope all the people who have a dog in this oil fight remember this picture:

[edgecast.metatube-files.buscafs.com image 377x237]

It is the Tsar Bomba hydrogen bomb detonation. The largest hydrogen bomb ever detonated.

Now let's compare the Tsar Bomba with other nuclear weapon detonations.

[phobos.ramapo.edu image 438x267]

Hiroshima is the second little nubbin on the lower left.

Hiroshima has killed over 200,000 people so far--it keeps killing people to this day.

I hope people enjoy their oil profits. You're going to end up destroying the world. Literally. Please take your greed and have the hired help shove it up your asses.


Say what you want about Soviets, but Tsar Bomba it was impressive accomplishment
/Only rivaled by Tsar Kolokol and Tsar Pushka
 
2013-08-29 10:15:30 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: I hope all the people who have a dog in this oil fight remember this picture:


Is someone going to release Tsar Bomba II or what is your thing here
 
2013-08-29 10:15:55 AM

nekom: Can't we work out a deal with Russia?  How about YOU guys go in there, install a puppet of your choosing and call it a day?


Pooty-poot likes his current puppet juuuust fine, thanks. Our panties are in a wad and he gets to posture as reasonable and supportive in a strongman/reperessor-oriented regoin.
 
2013-08-29 10:16:03 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: I hope all the people who have a dog in this oil fight remember this picture:

[edgecast.metatube-files.buscafs.com image 377x237]

It is the Tsar Bomba hydrogen bomb detonation. The largest hydrogen bomb ever detonated.

Now let's compare the Tsar Bomba with other nuclear weapon detonations.

[phobos.ramapo.edu image 438x267]

Hiroshima is the second little nubbin on the lower left.

Hiroshima has killed over 200,000 people so far--it keeps killing people to this day.

I hope people enjoy their oil profits. You're going to end up destroying the world. Literally. Please take your greed and have the hired help shove it up your asses.


img.photobucket.com
thedailyshow.mtvnimages.com
 
2013-08-29 10:16:55 AM

LasersHurt: TheShavingofOccam123: I hope all the people who have a dog in this oil fight remember this picture:

Is someone going to release Tsar Bomba II or what is your thing here


Does Russia even have the means to transport Tsar Bomba anywhere near the US?
 
2013-08-29 10:18:05 AM
If Russia and the USA end up in a conflict, will the astronauts on the space station be ordered to fight each other to gain control?
 
2013-08-29 10:18:14 AM

stevenboof: LasersHurt: TheShavingofOccam123: I hope all the people who have a dog in this oil fight remember this picture:

Is someone going to release Tsar Bomba II or what is your thing here

Does Russia even have the means to transport Tsar Bomba anywhere near the US?


Just you wait for Tsar Plana
 
2013-08-29 10:18:35 AM

stevenboof: LasersHurt: TheShavingofOccam123: I hope all the people who have a dog in this oil fight remember this picture:

Is someone going to release Tsar Bomba II or what is your thing here

Does Russia even have the means to transport Tsar Bomba anywhere near the US?


totallycoolpix.com
 
2013-08-29 10:18:57 AM

Old_Chief_Scott: Weaver95: I just don't understand why we seem to be gearing up to attack syria. If I were anyone living in the middle east I'd think the us is nuts. Well armed and very hypocritical too...but mostly insane. This makes no sense to me.

I agree. If it's really about Assad there are plenty of other ways to take him out. My concern is that the so-called "rebel alliance" ( rebel scum?) doesn't really have the backing of the citizenry. It looks more like every man for himself.


It's a religious civil war. Shiia against Sunni.

Helping one side against the other will translate into "the USA has chosen to persecute the Alawite (Shiia) in favor of the Sunni" throughout much of the Islamic world

Reason #1 we shouldn't touch this mess ...
 
2013-08-29 10:20:15 AM
You thought the Iraq civil war was bad? Syria's will be far worse if we get involved. It'll just bring in MORE jihadis, which means they'll fight each other and the locals for being different sects.
 
2013-08-29 10:20:24 AM

LewDux: stevenboof: LasersHurt: TheShavingofOccam123: I hope all the people who have a dog in this oil fight remember this picture:

Is someone going to release Tsar Bomba II or what is your thing here

Does Russia even have the means to transport Tsar Bomba anywhere near the US?

[totallycoolpix.com image 850x597]


So, Putin is going to use his mind control to send it to the US?
 
2013-08-29 10:20:55 AM

stevenboof: LewDux: stevenboof: LasersHurt: TheShavingofOccam123: I hope all the people who have a dog in this oil fight remember this picture:

Is someone going to release Tsar Bomba II or what is your thing here

Does Russia even have the means to transport Tsar Bomba anywhere near the US?

[totallycoolpix.com image 850x597]

So, Putin is going to use his mind control to send it to the US?


Worse, the Russians have finally mastered Photoshop.
 
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