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(HitFix)   Yep, Ryan Reynolds had another bad summer at the box office. Anyone see a trend?   (hitfix.com ) divider line
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2013-08-29 05:04:49 AM  
I'm assuming that when they say a movie cost X to make and needs 2 or 3 times X to become profitable there is something within the distribution network that is not taken into consideration?
 
2013-08-29 08:09:29 AM  

Mangoose: I'm assuming that when they say a movie cost X to make and needs 2 or 3 times X to become profitable there is something within the distribution network that is not taken into consideration?


Studios don't get all of the money from theaters. Normally they get 50% of the box office in North America and about 25% of international.
 
2013-08-29 08:10:18 AM  

Carth: Mangoose: I'm assuming that when they say a movie cost X to make and needs 2 or 3 times X to become profitable there is something within the distribution network that is not taken into consideration?

Studios don't get all of the money from theaters. Normally they get 50% of the box office in North America and about 25% of international.


Damn lack of edit button. Also the budget listed doesn't include advertising and distribution which can cost almost as much as the production  budget.
 
2013-08-29 08:16:25 AM  
Did that article really need to be in a slideshow format?  Christ.
 
2013-08-29 08:16:42 AM  
In 10 years he'll be in a Batman reboot?
 
2013-08-29 08:29:02 AM  
The Heat was surprisingly hilarious. Usually Bullock is severely unfunny in comedies, but she played a pretty good straight-man next to McCarthy. I found myself laughing more during that movie than anything in recent memory.
 
2013-08-29 08:30:27 AM  
A trend implies a change in the state of affairs subby. I can't think of a movie with Ryan Reynolds in it that hasn't sucked. The only financial successes he ever had were Van Wilder and Smoking Aces I really don't understand why he keeps getting work.
 
2013-08-29 08:30:31 AM  

Carth: Carth: Mangoose: I'm assuming that when they say a movie cost X to make and needs 2 or 3 times X to become profitable there is something within the distribution network that is not taken into consideration?

Studios don't get all of the money from theaters. Normally they get 50% of the box office in North America and about 25% of international.

Damn lack of edit button. Also the budget listed doesn't include advertising and distribution which can cost almost as much as the production  budget.


This.

So a movie that "costs" $100m actually can cost $200 including advertising etc. Then, depending on the movie, the studio doesn't get all the box office. The theatre keeps a chunk. And it varies according to how hot the movie is expected to be. The Avengers or Batman? Theatre gets zip for the first week at least, then may get to keep 10 or 20% rising each week after that. That's why popcorn and a coke is so expensive, it's their only income. Sludge Monster Meets Vermin Man? The studio has no leverage because it's not expected to do well, so they have to let the theatre keep 50% + of the box office. If a movie is a surprise hit that keeps on bringing people in then the theatres are rolling it in. An expected blockbuster that fizzles and dies after a week and they'll make nothing.

Of course figures for "marketing" and "distribution" are also Hollywood accounting, so in actuality behind the scenes a movie will be profitable well before it is officially profitable. The Studios charge "Distribution fee" of tens or even hundreds of millions off dollars but they also charge for prints, marketing, shipping etc etc, all the things that you'd assume would be under "Distribution". In effect the studio gets paid twice, and also lends the funding to the movie at 25% APR.

Still, at least Reynolds can go home a cry on this shoulder each night.
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It's a good job he's not still with his ex.
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Because she'd be all "Too bad. But at least I was in the biggest movie of the year..."
 
2013-08-29 08:44:10 AM  

MayoSlather: The Heat was surprisingly hilarious. Usually Bullock is severely unfunny in comedies, but she played a pretty good straight-man next to McCarthy. I found myself laughing more during that movie than anything in recent memory.


Sounds about right. She was hilarious in Demolition Man playing a goofy character who took herself seriously, but in outright comedic parts she oversells it. Also, sometimes she really screws up and does comedies with Ryan Reynolds.

The guy isn't that bad, but he needs to be a lot more cautious about the scripts he picks. Especially since he's probably getting less and less sent his way. The poor schlub is fasttracking his way to syndicated TV at this rate.  (Wanna bet Wesley Snipes paid a gypsy to curse him after he stole the spotlight from Snipes in Blade III?)
 
2013-08-29 08:52:02 AM  
I liked "Actually, Maybe"
 
2013-08-29 08:53:36 AM  
I have nothing against Ryan, but he could pick some better scripts.
 
2013-08-29 08:54:29 AM  

EdgeRunner: Sounds about right. She was hilarious in Demolition Man playing a goofy character who took herself seriously, but in outright comedic parts she oversells it. Also, sometimes she really screws up and does comedies with Ryan Reynolds.


"The Proposal" had a budget of $40 million, and grossed over $300 million. Not that much of a screw up.
 
2013-08-29 09:13:47 AM  

ScaryBottles: A trend implies a change in the state of affairs subby. I can't think of a movie with Ryan Reynolds in it that hasn't sucked. The only financial successes he ever had were Van Wilder and Smoking Aces I really don't understand why he keeps getting work.


I liked Waiting... and even Just Friends was kinda funny (in his fat suit scenes, mostly) and Safe House is a good brainless "can clean the house while watching" kind of movie.

He keeps getting work because Hollywood hasn't figured out the "over-paid, handsome/pretty actor is all we need to draw people to the theater " era is over.
 
2013-08-29 09:14:09 AM  
I hate him.
 
2013-08-29 09:15:29 AM  

ScaryBottles: I can't think of a movie with Ryan Reynolds in it that hasn't sucked.


In all fairness ya can't say it was his fault Green Lantern stunk....that one falls squarely on the shoulders of the writer, director, and whomever greenlit that script.

With all the cash in that industry, wouldn't it be a good idea to hire a crew of geeks to look over a proposed script?  They could tell immediately what's gonna fly.  And I ain't talking Harry Knowles...unless ya want masturbatory references in the margins.
 
2013-08-29 09:27:06 AM  
Also, The Purge was terrible. It made money but the movie make no farking sense at all.
 
2013-08-29 09:34:31 AM  
I'd you look at White House Down for what it was, a fun shoot 'em up movie it wasn't bad.

/of that entire list, it's the only movie I saw.
 
2013-08-29 09:46:46 AM  
Should've left him Buried.
 
2013-08-29 09:53:28 AM  
I feel like I'm in the minority when I admit that I don't think he's a bad actor. He and his agent just make really sh*tty choices.
 
2013-08-29 09:57:30 AM  

smoky2010: I'd you look at White House Down for what it was, a fun shoot 'em up movie it wasn't bad.

/of that entire list, it's the only movie I saw.


Yea, but Olympus has Fallen was the some movie... except better.
 
2013-08-29 09:58:57 AM  

KatjaMouse: I feel like I'm in the minority when I admit that I don't think he's a bad actor. He and his agent just make really sh*tty choices.


I have to agree.  He over-acts a bit, but that's not uncommon.  I thought he was about the perfect choice for proto-Deadpool in X-men: Wolverine.

I seriously have to wonder what was going through his head when he read the script for R.I.P.D., though.  Maybe it was just the chance to work with Jeff Bridges...
 
2013-08-29 10:22:29 AM  

give me doughnuts: EdgeRunner: Sounds about right. She was hilarious in Demolition Man playing a goofy character who took herself seriously, but in outright comedic parts she oversells it. Also, sometimes she really screws up and does comedies with Ryan Reynolds.

"The Proposal" had a budget of $40 million, and grossed over $300 million. Not that much of a screw up.


Yeah, I heard it was successful, but I had to bring it full circle back to Reynolds somehow. Work with me here.
 
2013-08-29 10:24:11 AM  
Wait, he still got paid, right?  So Ryan Reynolds didn't have a bad summer, the studios did.
 
2013-08-29 10:26:39 AM  
I liked Just Friends

Decently funny movie.
 
2013-08-29 10:33:10 AM  
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Do it, Hollywood. You got a script, director, and star (reynolds) ready to go. Just fund it already.
 
2013-08-29 10:42:43 AM  
Yeah, that we still can't forgive him for Green Lantern. Ben Affleck, take careful note of these consequences.  ಠ_ಠ
 
2013-08-29 10:43:10 AM  
Pretty soon he'll need a job at a pizza place again.
 
2013-08-29 10:55:22 AM  

Carth: Also, The Purge was terrible. It made money but the movie make no farking sense at all.


really?  I liked it, it was pretty much edge of your seat entertainment.  now the kid was a farking idiot and the dad was an idiot for ever letting the kid have the code for the security system, but it was a pretty good movie over all.  nothing I care to own on blu, however.
 
2013-08-29 11:13:16 AM  

Carth: Also the budget listed doesn't include advertising and distribution which can cost almost as much as the production  budget.


Meh, that part has always reeked of "Hollywood Accounting". Why would they not list the advertising and distribution cost? And why would that cost as much as the actual budget?

Seems to me they're just cooking the books. Movie production costs have skyrocketed.
 
2013-08-29 11:22:38 AM  

frepnog: Carth: Also, The Purge was terrible. It made money but the movie make no farking sense at all.

really?  I liked it, it was pretty much edge of your seat entertainment.  now the kid was a farking idiot and the dad was an idiot for ever letting the kid have the code for the security system, but it was a pretty good movie over all.  nothing I care to own on blu, however.


I couldn't figure out why the poor people who are hunted during the purge don't rise up and kill the rich who on another day. They are going to be killed anyway what do they have to lose.  Also, why the wealthy don't just take off and go spend the weekend in Europe instead of locking themselves down in a house that wasn't even designed to withstand an assault? If you have millions it seems like a needless risk.
 
2013-08-29 11:51:30 AM  

BalugaJoe: I hate him.


The wife adores him and has Reynolds on her "list of five".  Doesn't mean much except that I've been forced to watch pretty much every single movie he's been in. I also hate him.

/I know: grow a pair
 
2013-08-29 12:01:05 PM  

ramen_for_all: Yeah, that we still can't forgive him for Green Lantern. Ben Affleck, take careful note of these consequences.  ಠ_ಠ


Who blames him for Green Lantern? He did the best he could with what he was given, but the script was a mangled-by-committee disaster. No actor could have saved that mess.
 
2013-08-29 12:05:51 PM  
So, 'Two Guys, A Girl, & a Pizza Place', is his most successful career choice?
 
2013-08-29 12:18:19 PM  
Flint Ironstag:Still, at least Reynolds can go home a cry on this shoulder each night.
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It's a good job he's not still with his ex.
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Even more reasons to hate him.
 
2013-08-29 12:25:08 PM  

ristst: ScaryBottles: I can't think of a movie with Ryan Reynolds in it that hasn't sucked.

In all fairness ya can't say it was his fault Green Lantern stunk....that one falls squarely on the shoulders of the writer, director, and whomever greenlit that script.

With all the cash in that industry, wouldn't it be a good idea to hire a crew of geeks to look over a proposed script?  They could tell immediately what's gonna fly.  And I ain't talking Harry Knowles...unless ya want masturbatory references in the margins.


In all fairness I can indeed say Green Lantern sucked because of him taking a role in no way appropriate for his looks or acting personality.
 
2013-08-29 12:30:40 PM  

give me doughnuts: EdgeRunner: Sounds about right. She was hilarious in Demolition Man playing a goofy character who took herself seriously, but in outright comedic parts she oversells it. Also, sometimes she really screws up and does comedies with Ryan Reynolds.

"The Proposal" had a budget of $40 million, and grossed over $300 million. Not that much of a screw up.


The wife and I really enjoy that movie.  But that's probably mainly because she was a foreigner who was being threatened with deportation and so we got married and had to do most of the stuff that they did in the movie with the laywers and everything else.

We used the credits interview with the questions as prep for when we went in for the interview, lol.

I also think he did an awesome deadpool and a good GL.
 
2013-08-29 12:32:31 PM  
I'm pondering the huge payouts for big name actors that are typically a large part of the cost of making these movies.


I can't think of the last time I went to a movie JUST because a specific actor/actress was in it. Hell anymore it'shiat or miss if I recognize the big names at all.

I like seeing actors I enjoy in movies, but at the end of the day, I'm not going to decide to go see something JUST because that actor is there. It makes me wonder if the star power/actor draw is still the factor people claim it is, or if it's another leftover relic of a time that has since passed, but the system hasn't caught up with the reality of the modern day.
 
2013-08-29 12:38:06 PM  

EdgeRunner: (Wanna bet Wesley Snipes paid a gypsy to curse him after he stole the spotlight from Snipes in Blade III?)


He was hilarious. I hope he can eventually snag a Marvel character(has Ant-Man been cast?) and get a run of decent movies.
 
2013-08-29 12:47:44 PM  

EdgeRunner: The poor schlub is fasttracking his way to syndicated TV at this rate.


www.tvsa.co.za

say what?

I like him, he just does terrible, terrible movies.
 
2013-08-29 12:54:40 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: He was hilarious. I hope he can eventually snag a Marvel character(has Ant-Man been cast?) and get a run of decent movies.


Deadpool, he was destined to play him
 
2013-08-29 12:55:42 PM  

Vertdang: [sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net image 640x480]

Do it, Hollywood. You got a script, director, and star (reynolds) ready to go. Just fund it already.


So. Much. This!!!
 
2013-08-29 01:04:31 PM  

van1ty: I liked "Actually, Maybe"


i came across this on cable and really like it too. perhaps a bit sentimental but much better than typical romcom fare. i've always liked Reynolds and find him quite funny. I always thought he would make a great Wally West if they went that way with the Flash movie. GL probably poisoned him to WB though.

And the tail this guy gets. Top. Notch.

/props
 
2013-08-29 01:10:21 PM  

AdrienVeidt: In all fairness I can indeed say Green Lantern sucked because of him taking a role in no way appropriate for his looks or acting personality.


I am a huge green lantern fan.  In fact, my first child's first halloween costume was a green lantern outfit that my ex-wife and I made.

Ryan Reynolds was in no way the problem with that shiatty GL movie.
 
2013-08-29 01:13:51 PM  

Carth: Carth: Mangoose: I'm assuming that when they say a movie cost X to make and needs 2 or 3 times X to become profitable there is something within the distribution network that is not taken into consideration?

Studios don't get all of the money from theaters. Normally they get 50% of the box office in North America and about 25% of international.

Damn lack of edit button. Also the budget listed doesn't include advertising and distribution which can cost almost as much as the production  budget.


Hollywood has always aimed for at least a 2-3x return of investment as far as I'm aware, though they did not always spend retarded amounts of money on advertising (which is why studios are extra twitchy/scared these days, aside from many other products siphoning money from ticket and DVD sales). Personally I think the studios spend money stupidly so I'm not too sad they are making relatively less money these days.
 
2013-08-29 01:24:44 PM  

Vertdang: [sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net image 640x480]

Do it, Hollywood. You got a script, director, and star (reynolds) ready to go. Just fund it already.


The problem is that it's not Marvel Studios who owns the film rights to Deadpool, but 20th Century Fox... And Fox sucks. They're more concerned with their X-Men travesties than developing an intelligent, clever, fun script for a Deadpool movie, because their executives don't "get" Deadpool.

If Marvel Studios owned his film rights, you can bet they'd have him on the list of future films.

If people would just stop paying to see the crappy X-Men movies (and the equally crappy Wolverine movies) then maybe Fox would drop the franchise and sell it to Disney, and we could see some decent flicks. But nooooooo.... People would rather watch cheesy, hokey, insulting X-shiat and then gripe about it AFTER Fox gets their money. Idiots.
 
2013-08-29 01:28:15 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: EdgeRunner: (Wanna bet Wesley Snipes paid a gypsy to curse him after he stole the spotlight from Snipes in Blade III?)

He was hilarious. I hope he can eventually snag a Marvel character(has Ant-Man been cast?) and get a run of decent movies.


He was and remains the best choice for a proper Fletch reboot. Fletch is supposed to be handsome, well-toned, and blond with a quick wit; I like the Chevy Chase version, but it's a straight comedy. Fletch is a mystery series with moments of humor.

It's time to make Fletch Won, already, and start the whole franchise over anew. Ryan's still youngish-looking and could pull off young Fletch in Fletch Won, while still being able to handle older Fletch in the later stories.
 
2013-08-29 01:32:10 PM  

Vertdang: [sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net image 640x480]

Do it, Hollywood. You got a script, director, and star (reynolds) ready to go. Just fund it already.




Hollywood is allergic to money.
That is the only way I can explain why this has not happened yet.

/honestly, he the only part of the wolverine that didn't suck.
/then you make him the final boss and SEW HIS MOUTH SHUT?!
/what the farking flipping fark kind of decision was that!!??
 
2013-08-29 01:35:12 PM  

ScaryBottles: A trend implies a change in the state of affairs subby.


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2013-08-29 01:35:16 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Vertdang: [sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net image 640x480]

Do it, Hollywood. You got a script, director, and star (reynolds) ready to go. Just fund it already.

The problem is that it's not Marvel Studios who owns the film rights to Deadpool, but 20th Century Fox... And Fox sucks. They're more concerned with their X-Men travesties than developing an intelligent, clever, fun script for a Deadpool movie, because their executives don't "get" Deadpool.

If Marvel Studios owned his film rights, you can bet they'd have him on the list of future films.

If people would just stop paying to see the crappy X-Men movies (and the equally crappy Wolverine movies) then maybe Fox would drop the franchise and sell it to Disney, and we could see some decent flicks. But nooooooo.... People would rather watch cheesy, hokey, insulting X-shiat and then gripe about it AFTER Fox gets their money. Idiots.


Does it even matter who they cast as Deadpool?  It's going to be a stuntman in the costume (or straight CGI) and a voice-over.  They could have Danny DeVito be Deadpool if they wanted.
 
2013-08-29 01:49:21 PM  

Archimedes' Principal: So, 'Two Guys, A Girl, & a Pizza Place', is his most successful career choice?


That reminds me (and I do apologize for sounding like Sheldon Cooper) that Nathan Fillion is rocking it as at least the voice actor for Hal Jordan, snarkiness and all. Too bad he's packed on a few pounds in the last few seasons of Castle...

/would have preferred Reynolds (really either) as Kyle Rayner, assuming the script was not the mess that Reynolds ended up shooting with
 
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