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(The Atlantic)   George Will has fallen into that old college student trap: failing to read the sources he cites in his political rhetoric   (theatlantic.com) divider line 17
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2013-08-29 01:43:14 AM
11 votes:
Let's all attack the typo in the headline and not savage Will for TOTALLY misrepresenting Moynihan, shall we?

The point that Will missed, in his haste to pillory blacks for all their single-mom households, which the article made and Farkers have ignored in their chortling over Subby's spelling error, is that Moynihan was quite right to note that racism in America is pretty much directly responsible for black women having to raise kids all on their own while their men are incarcerated or otherwise absent. A fact which Will apparently disregarded or deliberately chose to ignore.

You may now return to feeling superior because you know the difference between "cite" and "site."
2013-08-29 03:20:12 AM
4 votes:
One thing I can look forward to during an anniversary of a civil rights milestone - being amused by wealthy white men holding forth on the problems with the black community.
2013-08-28 11:18:13 PM
2 votes:
Subby has fallen into that old elementary school trap of confusing "cites" and "sites."
2013-08-29 08:33:05 AM
1 votes:

vygramul: Fark really is becoming more like Stormfront.


The thing is, conservatives are in a bit of a pickle. Since they are committed to assuming that racism is over and that racism has had no lasting effects in our society, they are left with very few alternative explanations for the problems within the black community. Essentially, all of their arguments, when you boil them down to their essence, are based in the assumption that blacks are inferior in some way. Of course, they obfuscate and bullshiat to hide this, but it's pretty obvious to anyone paying attention.
2013-08-29 07:20:02 AM
1 votes:

TFerWannaBe: Animatronik: You can spend your life worrying about "because" and who to blame without solving a single problem.

How can you solve a problem without knowing its cause?


I'd rather spend my whole life worrying about 'because' than waste my whole life assuming liberalism is the cause of every bad thing in the universe when, in fact, 'liberalism' is the only mindset in the entirety of human history that has ever actually solved a problem and/or advanced civilization.

Animatronik, your entire post is based on the wholly-unfounded assumption that American blacks have ever had a history of significant percentages of 'stable households'. You're confusing an increase of reporting with an increase in actuality, man.
2013-08-29 07:13:28 AM
1 votes:

Captain Dan: Coates is wrong, and it's not debatable.  Racism isn't what produced single-parent households amongst blacks.  Lack of well-paying jobs for uneducated black men is.

The same phenomenon has affected Hispanic families, and now working class white families.  The biggest difference between poor blacks and poor whites is timing.  Working class whites are where poor blacks were 30 years ago, and 30 years from now, working class whites will be where poor blacks are today.

Daniel Patrick Moynihan predicted this decades in advance, with uncanny precision, which is why Ta-Nehisi Coates's inaccurate distortion of his views ("it's racism's fault") is so especially irritating.


Why the 30 year discrepancy between blacks and people of other skin pigmentation if not racism?  Your'e saying that young black men, who first learn how to respond and react to authority before even learning how to read and thus obviously at fault for failing to meet education standards, lacking employment opportunities that offer livable wages, opportunities, and successes, 30 years earlier than the rest of society, isn't because of racism?  

Along with focusing on a typo, this thread is also missing the part of the actual findings (not Will's misinterpretation) that's going to catch up to a lot more people real soon:  our culture (for some reason) still clings to the idea of male domination, of work and home, and even though women have made a lot of progress in the workplace, they've been running homes and families much longer, and yet somehow their children are considered disadvantaged.  While fewer in occurrence, single fathers are commended, and you'd never hear "the problem is no mother around for a woman's influence" (unless it was in regards to some sexist stereotype like domestic skills)
2013-08-29 07:11:08 AM
1 votes:

Captain Dan: Coates is wrong, and it's not debatable.  Racism isn't what produced single-parent households amongst blacks.  Lack of well-paying jobs for uneducated black men is.


You should read the comments under the article. Denying the importance of racism as a factor is itself a form of racism. Will and his ilk are, consciously or not, pushing the idea that black Americans are the source of their own problems.

Do you really believe that the lack of education among black men had absolutely nothing to do with racism? Or that discriminatory hiring practices had nothing to do with the fact that uneducated white men still fared better than uneducated black men?
2013-08-29 07:03:00 AM
1 votes:
Go back to ranting about how the DH will destroy western civilization, Goerge
2013-08-29 06:56:21 AM
1 votes:

Animatronik: Gyrfalcon: Let's all attack the typo in the headline and not savage Will for TOTALLY misrepresenting Moynihan, shall we?

The point that Will missed, in his haste to pillory blacks for all their single-mom households, which the article made and Farkers have ignored in their chortling over Subby's spelling error, is that Moynihan was quite right to note that racism in America is pretty much directly responsible for black women having to raise kids all on their own while their men are incarcerated or otherwise absent. A fact which Will apparently disregarded or deliberately chose to ignore.

You may now return to feeling superior because you know the difference between "cite" and "site."

So basically everything Will said was correct, his error was in omitting the "because", as in because of the  abuses of African Americans in American history.

In other words, there was no error at all, just more stupid liberals interested in who to blame for a problem as opposed to how their "solutions" are making the problem worse.

Because of slavery, somehow the number of stable nuclear black families has declined precipitously since 1960.  It has nothing to do with idiot liberals and their idiot policies that encourage single motherhood and marginalize fatherhood.  It has nothing to do with putting leaders like Al Sharpton on a pedestal, leaders who  don't really care what the real problem is or how to promote individual responsibility.
No sir.

What a bunch of dumbasses.
Youworrying about "because" and who to blame without solving a single problem.


As opposed to you, who just want to blame everything on LIBSLIBSLIBS, and the only solution for anything is tax breaks for the wealthy and blaming victims?
2013-08-29 06:52:29 AM
1 votes:
That's really not any more of a stretch than most academic citations and references.  I don't think he's intending to put words in the other dude's mouth, he's citing a particular fact from the study and adding his own conjecture.

There's plenty of reasons to think Will is a stupid farker, but this isn't really one of them.  At worst he's guilty of the separation between the reference and his extrapolation being somewhat unclear, which is always an issue when you're not footnoting and sometimes when you are.

//Grabbing conclusions from an article and using them to claim something very close to opposite what the paper was actually getting at is better than 99% of science reporting, because at least you're actually generally talking about the correct field of science.
2013-08-29 06:51:15 AM
1 votes:

Animatronik: You can spend your life worrying about "because" and who to blame without solving a single problem.


How can you solve a problem without knowing its cause?
2013-08-29 05:48:31 AM
1 votes:

Animatronik: It has nothing to do with idiot liberals and their idiot policies that encourage single motherhood and marginalize fatherhood.


You realize television sit-coms are only partly based on fact?
2013-08-29 05:30:30 AM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Let's all attack the typo in the headline and not savage Will for TOTALLY misrepresenting Moynihan, shall we?

The point that Will missed, in his haste to pillory blacks for all their single-mom households, which the article made and Farkers have ignored in their chortling over Subby's spelling error, is that Moynihan was quite right to note that racism in America is pretty much directly responsible for black women having to raise kids all on their own while their men are incarcerated or otherwise absent. A fact which Will apparently disregarded or deliberately chose to ignore.

You may now return to feeling superior because you know the difference between "cite" and "site."


So basically everything Will said was correct, his error was in omitting the "because", as in because of the  abuses of African Americans in American history.

In other words, there was no error at all, just more stupid liberals interested in who to blame for a problem as opposed to how their "solutions" are making the problem worse.

Because of slavery, somehow the number of stable nuclear black families has declined precipitously since 1960.  It has nothing to do with idiot liberals and their idiot policies that encourage single motherhood and marginalize fatherhood.  It has nothing to do with putting leaders like Al Sharpton on a pedestal, leaders who  don't really care what the real problem is or how to promote individual responsibility.
No sir.

What a bunch of dumbasses.
You can spend your life worrying about "because" and who to blame without solving a single problem.
2013-08-29 03:32:31 AM
1 votes:

goatleggedfellow: I'm curious, but can't suffer to read his tripe.


Will is a fun one, he has a PhD in political philosophy and was for a time a professor. He was at one time a fairly genial if somewhat rigid commentator. Over the years, especially the last dozen or so he's gotten well a bit derpy.
2013-08-29 03:12:34 AM
1 votes:

eiger: Is Will one of the Pat Buchanan types who think the Civil War instantly brought absolute racial equality and any problems thereafter are entirely the fault of blacks and liberals? I'm curious, but can't suffer to read his tripe.

This or that everything was fine as of 196555 are core GOP assumptions.


FTFY

/that liberal Eisenhower f*cked everything up
2013-08-29 02:20:52 AM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Let's all attack the typo in the headline and not savage Will for TOTALLY misrepresenting Moynihan, shall we?

The point that Will missed, in his haste to pillory blacks for all their single-mom households, which the article made and Farkers have ignored in their chortling over Subby's spelling error, is that Moynihan was quite right to note that racism in America is pretty much directly responsible for black women having to raise kids all on their own while their men are incarcerated or otherwise absent. A fact which Will apparently disregarded or deliberately chose to ignore.
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Is Will one of the Pat Buchanan types who think the Civil War instantly brought absolute racial equality and any problems thereafter are entirely the fault of blacks and liberals? I'm curious, but can't suffer to read his tripe.
2013-08-29 01:17:40 AM
1 votes:
Rotsky'd in the headline. Nice.
 
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