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(The Atlantic)   George Will has fallen into that old college student trap: failing to read the sources he cites in his political rhetoric   (theatlantic.com ) divider line
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2013-08-29 07:29:22 AM  
"Look, darkies, you lazy shiftless but still highly attractive and successful people. Racism is over, let it go. Now go scuttle back to your ghetto and stop selling the mary-jew-one-ah!"
 
2013-08-29 07:33:02 AM  
Will has also fallen into the trap of suffered only by the painfully WASPy of appearing in public in trousers with little duck embroidered on them.
 
2013-08-29 07:33:44 AM  

proteus_b: Gyrfalcon: is that Moynihan was quite right to note that racism in America is pretty much directly responsible for black women having to raise kids all on their own while their men are incarcerated or otherwise absent.

Moynihan claiming that it's so doesn't make it so. Maybe racism is responsible. Maybe it's not, and black men are incarcerated or otherwise absent because many of them want to lead lifestyles which are ill-adapted to fatherhood in western democracies. Maybe it's both.


So you are saying that it's not racism, it's just that blacks are inferior to whites. Got it.
 
2013-08-29 07:35:29 AM  

TFerWannaBe: Animatronik: You can spend your life worrying about "because" and who to blame without solving a single problem.

How can you solve a problem without knowing its cause?


1) Ban birth control. Ban abortion. Abstinence-only edumakashun.  Defund Planned Parenthood.
2) Wonder why so many out of wedlock births.
3) Abolish food stamps. That'll larn them Welfare Queens. (The Welfare Queens with the babies, of course, not the ones with the zillion-dollar contracts with the Small Government®.)
4) Ship all the well-paying jobs overseas.
5) Gut the public schools. You don't need no edumakashun to work a McJob, and teachers are Union Thugs (except when the NRA wants to arm them).
6) Hike taxes on people who work for a living. Cut them on the plutocrats. Abolish the minimum wage. David Koch's Mercedes is six months old and he wants a new one.
7) Wonder why so many people break the law instead of starving quietly, or getting a McJob for take-home pay that won't take them home.
8) zOMG CRIME WAVE!
9) Zillion-dollar Small Government® contracts for private prisons and purveyors of riot gear.
10) No ??? here, baby.
11) Profit!
 
2013-08-29 07:43:34 AM  

Lost Thought 00: proteus_b: Gyrfalcon: is that Moynihan was quite right to note that racism in America is pretty much directly responsible for black women having to raise kids all on their own while their men are incarcerated or otherwise absent.

Moynihan claiming that it's so doesn't make it so. Maybe racism is responsible. Maybe it's not, and black men are incarcerated or otherwise absent because many of them want to lead lifestyles which are ill-adapted to fatherhood in western democracies. Maybe it's both.

So you are saying that it's not racism, it's just that blacks are inferior to whites. Got it.


If many more black men than white men do indeed want to lead lifestyles which are ill-adapted to fatherhood, why would it be racist to point that out?
 
2013-08-29 07:51:52 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Lost Thought 00: proteus_b: Gyrfalcon: is that Moynihan was quite right to note that racism in America is pretty much directly responsible for black women having to raise kids all on their own while their men are incarcerated or otherwise absent.

Moynihan claiming that it's so doesn't make it so. Maybe racism is responsible. Maybe it's not, and black men are incarcerated or otherwise absent because many of them want to lead lifestyles which are ill-adapted to fatherhood in western democracies. Maybe it's both.

So you are saying that it's not racism, it's just that blacks are inferior to whites. Got it.

If many more black men than white men do indeed want to lead lifestyles which are ill-adapted to fatherhood, why would it be racist to point that out?


Because you assume that the color of their skin defines their character.
 
2013-08-29 07:57:57 AM  

Kevin72: Triumph: Subby has fallen into that old elementary school trap of confusing "cites" and "sites."

See: sights.


See:  shay rights

d2948ivoqgnz9i.cloudfront.net
 
2013-08-29 08:07:16 AM  

TFerWannaBe: Animatronik: You can spend your life worrying about "because" and who to blame without solving a single problem.

How can you solve a problem without knowing its cause?


Build a wall around Mexico
 
2013-08-29 08:10:29 AM  

Jim_Callahan: That's really not any more of a stretch than most academic citations and references.  I don't think he's intending to put words in the other dude's mouth, he's citing a particular fact from the study and adding his own conjecture.

There's plenty of reasons to think Will is a stupid farker, but this isn't really one of them.  At worst he's guilty of the separation between the reference and his extrapolation being somewhat unclear, which is always an issue when you're not footnoting and sometimes when you are.

//Grabbing conclusions from an article and using them to claim something very close to opposite what the paper was actually getting at is better than 99% of science reporting, because at least you're actually generally talking about the correct field of science.


For a while, I believed in the myth that science reporting was especially bad.

Then I realized ALL reporting was especially bad for largely the same reasons.
 
2013-08-29 08:12:17 AM  

Lost Thought 00: proteus_b: Gyrfalcon: is that Moynihan was quite right to note that racism in America is pretty much directly responsible for black women having to raise kids all on their own while their men are incarcerated or otherwise absent.

Moynihan claiming that it's so doesn't make it so. Maybe racism is responsible. Maybe it's not, and black men are incarcerated or otherwise absent because many of them want to lead lifestyles which are ill-adapted to fatherhood in western democracies. Maybe it's both.

So you are saying that it's not racism, it's just that blacks are inferior to whites. Got it.


Fark really is becoming more like Stormfront.
 
2013-08-29 08:18:32 AM  
Does anyone happen to know the rate of unmarried women giving birth in the social hellhole that is Scandinavia?  I believe it's rather high.
 
2013-08-29 08:19:18 AM  
Debeo Summa Credo
If many more black men than white men do indeed want to lead lifestyles which are ill-adapted to fatherhood, why would it be racist to point that out?

Hmm... I see.

Well, since you're so good at reading people's minds: where did I leave my car keys; going to be late for work.
 
2013-08-29 08:19:57 AM  

TFerWannaBe: Animatronik: You can spend your life worrying about "because" and who to blame without solving a single problem.

How can you solve a problem without knowing its cause?


By lowering taxes?
 
2013-08-29 08:28:40 AM  

Animatronik: You can spend your life worrying about "because" and who to blame without solving a single problem.


A repube is driving down the road and gets a flat tire.
He stops the car, replaces the tire, and starts on his way, except before the car even gets up to speed, he gets another flat.

With all bootstrappyness, he gets out, pulls out a can of sealant, gets a temporary seal, pumps up the tire and is ready to go again.

This happens 4 more times.

A liberal pulls up and asks why the repube doesn't sweep away the glass that is putting holes in the tires.

The repube answers "You can spend your life worrying about "because" and who to blame without solving a single problem. "
 
2013-08-29 08:33:05 AM  

vygramul: Fark really is becoming more like Stormfront.


The thing is, conservatives are in a bit of a pickle. Since they are committed to assuming that racism is over and that racism has had no lasting effects in our society, they are left with very few alternative explanations for the problems within the black community. Essentially, all of their arguments, when you boil them down to their essence, are based in the assumption that blacks are inferior in some way. Of course, they obfuscate and bullshiat to hide this, but it's pretty obvious to anyone paying attention.
 
2013-08-29 08:34:25 AM  
fta
"There is, presumably, no special reason why a society in which males are dominant in family relationships is to be preferred to a matriarchal arrangement. However, it is clearly a disadvantage for a minority group to be operating on one principle, while the great majority of the population, and the one with the most advantages to begin with, is operating on another. This is the present situation of the Negro. Ours is a society which presumes male leadership in private and public affairs. The arrangements of society facilitate such leadership and reward it. A subculture, such as that of the Negro American, in which this is not the pattern, is placed at a distinct disadvantage."


i707.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-29 09:25:03 AM  

WhyteRaven74: goatleggedfellow: I'm curious, but can't suffer to read his tripe.

Will is a fun one, he has a PhD in political philosophy and was for a time a professor. He was at one time a fairly genial if somewhat rigid commentator. Over the years, especially the last dozen or so he's gotten well a bit derpy.


There's gold in that there derp!
 
2013-08-29 09:40:44 AM  
My racism is responsible for 70% illegitimacy, rampant crime and drug use, and high unemployment. None of those things can possibly be the black man's fault.

And, I broke the dam.
 
2013-08-29 09:44:55 AM  

sxacho: TFerWannaBe: Animatronik: You can spend your life worrying about "because" and who to blame without solving a single problem.

How can you solve a problem without knowing its cause?

Tax cuts?


+10 internets for you.
 
2013-08-29 09:52:49 AM  
If the US Government hadn't passed out smallpox blankets to all the Indians, George Will wouldn't even have a job.
 
2013-08-29 09:55:54 AM  

cchris_39: My racism is responsible for 70% illegitimacy, rampant crime and drug use, and high unemployment. None of those things can possibly be the black man's fault.


Maybe if you (and other Whites) were willing to hire Black men, they wouldn't have some of the other problems?

http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html
 
2013-08-29 09:56:48 AM  

Jim_Callahan: That's really not any more of a stretch than most academic citations and references.  I don't think he's intending to put words in the other dude's mouth, he's citing a particular fact from the study and adding his own conjecture.

There's plenty of reasons to think Will is a stupid farker, but this isn't really one of them.  At worst he's guilty of the separation between the reference and his extrapolation being somewhat unclear, which is always an issue when you're not footnoting and sometimes when you are.

//Grabbing conclusions from an article and using them to claim something very close to opposite what the paper was actually getting at is better than 99% of science reporting, because at least you're actually generally talking about the correct field of science.


This.
 
2013-08-29 10:02:59 AM  

vygramul: Lost Thought 00: proteus_b: Gyrfalcon: is that Moynihan was quite right to note that racism in America is pretty much directly responsible for black women having to raise kids all on their own while their men are incarcerated or otherwise absent.

Moynihan claiming that it's so doesn't make it so. Maybe racism is responsible. Maybe it's not, and black men are incarcerated or otherwise absent because many of them want to lead lifestyles which are ill-adapted to fatherhood in western democracies. Maybe it's both.

So you are saying that it's not racism, it's just that blacks are inferior to whites. Got it.

Fark really is becoming more like Stormfront.


Seriously. I don't know what it was like back in the earliest days. But it has become pretty common to see posts that outright say "black people are worse than white people." Maybe it's just part of the larger trend of people, particularly on the right side of the political spectrum, becoming more and more stupid, and proud of it.
 
2013-08-29 10:22:13 AM  

someonelse: vygramul: Lost Thought 00: proteus_b: Gyrfalcon: is that Moynihan was quite right to note that racism in America is pretty much directly responsible for black women having to raise kids all on their own while their men are incarcerated or otherwise absent.

Moynihan claiming that it's so doesn't make it so. Maybe racism is responsible. Maybe it's not, and black men are incarcerated or otherwise absent because many of them want to lead lifestyles which are ill-adapted to fatherhood in western democracies. Maybe it's both.

So you are saying that it's not racism, it's just that blacks are inferior to whites. Got it.

Fark really is becoming more like Stormfront.

Seriously. I don't know what it was like back in the earliest days. But it has become pretty common to see posts that outright say "black people are worse than white people." Maybe it's just part of the larger trend of people, particularly on the right side of the political spectrum, becoming more and more stupid, and proud of it.


The Overton Window is being pushed hard right and exploiting the "cultural conservatives"  to do that against their own economic interests requires the window to carry along some of the ugly emotional baggage required to exploit "cultural conservatives".
 
2013-08-29 10:30:42 AM  
Accurate interpretations of studies has never been a strength of politicians or pundits regardless of party. Pick the line(s) that best support your thesis and run with it seems to be more the mode of operation.
 
2013-08-29 11:11:10 AM  
That little Himmler homunculus has been getting worse in the past couple years.
 
2013-08-29 11:24:38 AM  

FLMountainMan: If the US Government hadn't passed out smallpox blankets to all the Indians, George Will wouldn't even have a job.


Wow, this myth has really gotten alot of mileage. There is one documented instance of anything like this even being considered, and it comes from letters in a colonial war prior to the US even being formed. Indians does of smallpox, yes, but that was naturally transmitted via proximity and trade.

Fark is becoming more and more radically anti-white every day. Just a few years ago there was some balance, but the anti-white racists seem to be taking over lately.
 
2013-08-29 11:27:58 AM  

cchris_39: My racism is responsible for 70% illegitimacy, rampant crime and drug use, and high unemployment. None of those things can possibly be the black man's fault.

And, I broke the dam.


Personal responsibility is NEVER the answer. Why blame yourself for your own situation if you can find an excuse that will allow you to blame others?
 
2013-08-29 11:28:06 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: FLMountainMan: If the US Government hadn't passed out smallpox blankets to all the Indians, George Will wouldn't even have a job.

Wow, this myth has really gotten alot of mileage. There is one documented instance of anything like this even being considered, and it comes from letters in a colonial war prior to the US even being formed. Indians does of smallpox, yes, but that was naturally transmitted via proximity and trade.

Fark is becoming more and more radically anti-white every day. Just a few years ago there was some balance, but the anti-white racists seem to be taking over lately.


Why does it not surprise me that you gleefully endorse genocide?
 
2013-08-29 11:31:56 AM  
So what about the white people being born out of wedlock?  It's 36%, that was when it was declared a crisis in the African-American community.  It has more to do with poverty, education, and age than anything else.  It is a symptom of our society.
 
2013-08-29 11:33:32 AM  
This vituperative exegesis, simultaneously accruing into self-aggrandizing miasma, with the palaverous thrum from the emasculated backbenchers, suggests at once a schism of the cataclysmic conservatism and the emerging state of faux freedom, tending to limn the rubric of calumny, inapposite with the intent of the Founders and damning the judiciary, waxing an affront to the rule of law.
 
2013-08-29 11:49:55 AM  
Yes, Mr. Will. Please WASPsplain how the ills afflicting the black community are of their own making and not symptoms of a greater problem
 
2013-08-29 11:51:49 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Wow, this myth has really gotten alot of mileage. There is one documented instance of anything like this even being considered, and it comes from letters in a colonial war prior to the US even being formed.


I'm sure the attitude that Native Americans are subhumans to be exterminated (as casually expressed in that documented instance) completely disappeared after the mid-18th century and in no way manifested itself in official or unofficial U.S. government policy.

/radically anti-white. Oh, the lulz, they are being lolled.
 
2013-08-29 11:58:31 AM  

twat_waffle: Yes, Mr. Will. Please WASPsplain how the ills afflicting the black community are of their own making and not symptoms of a greater problem


I believe the word you're looking for is 'Honksplain', not 'WASPsplain'. That just hurts to say out loud, imho.
 
2013-08-29 11:59:27 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Fark is becoming more and more radically anti-white every day. Just a few years ago there was some balance, but the anti-white

racists seem to be taking over lately.

It's all part of the master plan concocted by the infamous Race Hustlers  Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, and enacted by the extremely racist Barack HUSSEIN 0bama


cdn.laprogressive.com

Poor you. It must be so hard being white these days.
 
2013-08-29 12:00:41 PM  

rickythepenguin: This vituperative exegesis, simultaneously accruing into self-aggrandizing miasma, with the palaverous thrum from the emasculated backbenchers, suggests at once a schism of the cataclysmic conservatism and the emerging state of faux freedom, tending to limn the rubric of calumny, inapposite with the intent of the Founders and damning the judiciary, waxing an affront to the rule of law.


It's like poop, but made out of words!

/Well done
 
2013-08-29 12:00:51 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Personal responsibility is NEVER the answer.


Not to the questions contemporary conservatives are asking. To take responsibility, you have to have the opportunity, and with the same face that cries "Bootstraps!" the conservatives try to take away those opportunities. Gutting worker protections, education funding, and now voting rights takes opportunity away from the poor, and with minorities they have the added cudgel of racism.
 
2013-08-29 12:06:02 PM  

talan123: So what about the white people being born out of wedlock?  It's 36%, that was when it was declared a crisis in the African-American community.  It has more to do with poverty, education, and age than anything else.  It is a symptom of our society.


You misread your link. It's 26% for Whites, 36% overall.
 
2013-08-29 12:25:21 PM  

BMulligan: Debeo Summa Credo: FLMountainMan: If the US Government hadn't passed out smallpox blankets to all the Indians, George Will wouldn't even have a job.

Wow, this myth has really gotten alot of mileage. There is one documented instance of anything like this even being considered, and it comes from letters in a colonial war prior to the US even being formed. Indians does of smallpox, yes, but that was naturally transmitted via proximity and trade.

Fark is becoming more and more radically anti-white every day. Just a few years ago there was some balance, but the anti-white racists seem to be taking over lately.

Why does it not surprise me that you gleefully endorse genocide?


Why does it not surprise me that you would make such a comically stupid inference from my post?
 
2013-08-29 12:26:51 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Debeo Summa Credo: Personal responsibility is NEVER the answer.

Not to the questions contemporary conservatives are asking. To take responsibility, you have to have the opportunity, and with the same face that cries "Bootstraps!" the conservatives try to take away those opportunities. Gutting worker protections, education funding, and now voting rights takes opportunity away from the poor, and with minorities they have the added cudgel of racism.


Like I said, finding excuses to blame others for your own failings.
 
2013-08-29 12:44:50 PM  

themadtupper: Alphax:  Didn't he write a column a few decades ago on the evils of blue jeans?

Decades?  Try 2009.

Edmund Burke [...] said: "To make us love our country, our country ought to be lovely." Ours would be much more so if supposed grown-ups would heed St. Paul's first letter to the Corinthians, and St. Barack's inaugural sermon to the Americans, by putting away childish things, starting with denim.


Okay, George, I'll put away my blue jeans if you put away your baseball.

/Don't really like denim, anyway.
 
2013-08-29 12:53:29 PM  

IlGreven: themadtupper: Alphax:  Didn't he write a column a few decades ago on the evils of blue jeans?

Decades?  Try 2009.

Edmund Burke [...] said: "To make us love our country, our country ought to be lovely." Ours would be much more so if supposed grown-ups would heed St. Paul's first letter to the Corinthians, and St. Barack's inaugural sermon to the Americans, by putting away childish things, starting with denim.

Okay, George, I'll put away my blue jeans if you put away your baseball.

/Don't really like denim, anyway.


I wonder if pictures of Reagan in blue jeans make Will go fetal.
 
2013-08-29 12:54:19 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: FLMountainMan: If the US Government hadn't passed out smallpox blankets to all the Indians, George Will wouldn't even have a job.

Wow, this myth has really gotten alot of mileage. There is one documented instance of anything like this even being considered, and it comes from letters in a colonial war prior to the US even being formed. Indians does of smallpox, yes, but that was naturally transmitted via proximity and trade.

Fark is becoming more and more radically anti-white every day. Just a few years ago there was some balance, but the anti-white racists seem to be taking over lately.


You missed my point more than FDR proudly embraced Jesse Owens after he beat Hitler's ass in the 1936 Olympics.
 
2013-08-29 01:06:21 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Like I said, finding excuses to blame others for your own failings.


Except they're not your own failings. 30 years of stagnant wages is not a personal failing. Crumbing elementary education infrastructure is not a personal failing. Outrageous secondary education costs are not a personal failing. Systemic racism is not a personal failing. No amount of conservative harping about bootstraps and the dignity of work are going to change that, no matter how much they disparage the poor for their refrigerators.
 
2013-08-29 01:28:18 PM  
Debeo Summa Credo
Fark is becoming more and more radically anti-white every day.

No, it's cool. Some of my closest friends are white.
 
2013-08-29 02:01:28 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Fark is becoming more and more radically anti-white every day.


...wake me when the white lynchings begin.
 
2013-08-29 02:42:11 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Debeo Summa Credo: Fark is becoming more and more radically anti-white every day. Just a few years ago there was some balance, but the anti-white racists seem to be taking over lately.

It's all part of the master plan concocted by the infamous Race Hustlers  Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, and enacted by the extremely racist Barack HUSSEIN 0bama


[cdn.laprogressive.com image 350x358]

Poor you. It must be so hard being white these days.


He only said that because of my Stormfront comment.
 
2013-08-29 06:18:00 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Debeo Summa Credo
Fark is becoming more and more radically anti-white every day.

No, it's cool. Some of my closest friends are white.


Hell I even married a white woman.
 
2013-08-29 06:26:57 PM  
Do Jews and/or Irish count as white people these days?
Never been clear on that, but as a Paddy O'Mally O'Schoenberg, I often wonder where I stand.
 
2013-08-29 07:47:37 PM  

AdrienVeidt: twat_waffle: Yes, Mr. Will. Please WASPsplain how the ills afflicting the black community are of their own making and not symptoms of a greater problem

I believe the word you're looking for is 'Honksplain', not 'WASPsplain'. That just hurts to say out loud, imho.


WASPsplain is for rich white guys. Honksplain sounds like it's white trash doing the horribly out of touch explanation.
 
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