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(BBC)   Step 2: Set up premium-rate phone number and profit off of telemarketing calls   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 106
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2013-08-28 11:14:39 PM


The number of calls received by Mr Beaumont has fallen from between 20 and 30 a month to just 13 last month.


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A 35% decrease? You'd think a paywall would be a little more discouraging to telemarketers.
 
2013-08-28 11:22:15 PM
That is f*cking genius.
 
2013-08-29 12:16:14 AM
BRILLIANT! *clink*
 
2013-08-29 12:17:02 AM
Sounds good, but what am I supposed to do with all of the underpants?
 
2013-08-29 12:18:38 AM
Isn't that step 2 and 3?
 
2013-08-29 12:18:53 AM
Excellent use of the Hero tag.
 
2013-08-29 12:19:24 AM

Oysterman: Sounds good, but what am I supposed to do with all of the underpants?


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2013-08-29 12:20:04 AM
In November 2011 Lee Beaumont paid £10 plus VAT to set up his personal 0871 line - so to call him now costs 10p, from which he receives 7p

wut
 
2013-08-29 12:20:10 AM
Oblig...

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2013-08-29 12:24:16 AM
In the states I suppose you could set up a 900 number. Really was a good idea he had!
 
2013-08-29 12:25:08 AM

Abox: In November 2011 Lee Beaumont paid £10 plus VAT to set up his personal 0871 line - so to call him now costs 10p, from which he receives 7p

wut


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2013-08-29 12:26:06 AM
So instead of saying 'no thank you, please don't call again' he reads a notice of the charges then wastes his time trying to keep them on the phone and now wants more calls. He doesn't work from home he is unemployed.
 
2013-08-29 12:26:07 AM
My internet activities have yielded a lot of incidental calls.  I could jack it into the hundreds per month easily.  Just inquiring about returning to an education yields boat loads from aggressive recruiting centers.  A person could make some quick cash, but it'd be diminishing returns before long as people figure out they're paying for the call.

Legality aside of course..
 
2013-08-29 12:27:04 AM

DarkSoulNoHope: Oysterman: Sounds good, but what am I supposed to do with all of the underpants?

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Sort them and send the dirty ones to Japan to sell in vending machines.  That's phase 2.  The gnomes knew it, but didn't want to give away their secret.

/completely f*cked up
//even by Japan standards
 
2013-08-29 12:30:12 AM

Abox: In November 2011 Lee Beaumont paid £10 plus VAT to set up his personal 0871 line - so to call him now costs 10p, from which he receives 7p

wut


In November 2011 Lee Beaumont paid 10 Pounds (British currency, symbol £) plus value-added tax to set up his personal 0871 (it says in the article what this is) line - so to call him now costs 10 pence from which he receives 7 pence.

100 pence=1£
£1=$1.55
 
2013-08-29 12:32:06 AM

Abox: In November 2011 Lee Beaumont paid £10 plus VAT to set up his personal 0871 line - so to call him now costs 10p, from which he receives 7p

wut


Right, that is wut I thought.....

/ I still don't know how to convert British pounds to amerikan dollars.

/ and I thought they used metric! They should be using kilograms.....not pounds.
 
2013-08-29 12:32:47 AM
I remember this bit of advice from PYST, a MYST parody game starring John Goodman.
 
2013-08-29 12:33:33 AM
7 cents a minute is a lot of money if you're 6 years old.
 
2013-08-29 12:34:43 AM
I love how the regulator says, basically, that the public should not do this as the purpose of these lines is for companies to fleece the public not the other way around.. fark you buddy.
 
2013-08-29 12:35:10 AM

Jayberrysparklesalot: / I still don't know how to convert British pounds to amerikan dollars.


General rule of thumb is 1 pound is a little bit more than 1.5 us dollars.  So add half, and you're in the right ballpark.

/Now if you really want to get pissed, look up British gallons.  That's the real secret to their insane MPG's.  They're using different G's.
 
2013-08-29 12:37:19 AM
So he got rid of his free #? So his friends and legit calls have to pay to call him now? If not, he still has a free number which telemarketing can still call him on. Defeating the purpose of his brilliant plan.

Also, a minute of his time is now worth 7 pence? Hardly seems worth it unless in missing something.
 
2013-08-29 12:39:16 AM
He gets 7 pence per minute? Holy crap, that's $6.30/hour! He will be rich in no time. And this time it is literal. In no time will he will be rich.
 
2013-08-29 12:39:26 AM
What telemarketing company doesn't filter toll numbers out of their calling database?
 
2013-08-29 12:41:14 AM

Wynn: Isn't that step 2 and 3?


No. Fark has gotten this wrong for years. There are only 3 steps (not 4, not 5, you heathens). The third is prfit.
 
2013-08-29 12:43:55 AM

Jayberrysparklesalot: Abox: In November 2011 Lee Beaumont paid £10 plus VAT to set up his personal 0871 line - so to call him now costs 10p, from which he receives 7p

wut

Right, that is wut I thought.....

/ I still don't know how to convert British pounds to amerikan dollars.

/ and I thought they used metric! They should be using kilograms.....not pounds.


Pounds are units of currency.

Stone is used for weight.

They are about as metric as America.
 
2013-08-29 12:48:04 AM

Antagonism: No. Fark has gotten this wrong for years. There are only 3 steps


________ meme mistake is __________.
 
2013-08-29 12:48:21 AM

Abox: In November 2011 Lee Beaumont paid £10 plus VAT to set up his personal 0871 line - so to call him now costs 10p, from which he receives 7p

wut


Let me translate to American:

"In Thanksgivingmonth 2011, Louie Bomont paid $20 to get a 900 number which he uses as his personal phone number -- now if you call him, it'll cost you 15 cents a minute, and he gets 10 cents of that."
 
2013-08-29 12:50:18 AM
That's awesome. Despite the negativity from the folks who didn't come up with idea.
/regulators desperate attempt to discourage others amused me.
 
2013-08-29 12:50:23 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: 7 cents a minute is a lot of money if you're 6 years old.


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That's like a dollar an hour!
 
2013-08-29 12:51:26 AM
What about those phone scams a few years ago where each call was being charged at about $24/minute? Couldn't a person get one of those, state the costs immediately, let the computer (usually is) keep talking, and profit?
 
2013-08-29 12:52:09 AM

bangmaid: So he got rid of his free #? So his friends and legit calls have to pay to call him now? If not, he still has a free number which telemarketing can still call him on. Defeating the purpose of his brilliant plan.

Also, a minute of his time is now worth 7 pence? Hardly seems worth it unless in missing something.


you know how I know you didn't read the article?
 
2013-08-29 12:53:03 AM

Jayberrysparklesalot: Abox: In November 2011 Lee Beaumont paid £10 plus VAT to set up his personal 0871 line - so to call him now costs 10p, from which he receives 7p

wut

Right, that is wut I thought.....

/ I still don't know how to convert British pounds to amerikan dollars.
/ and I thought they used metric! They should be using kilograms.....not pounds.



Oh, in this case they meant 10 pounds of american dollars

/everything is so expensive there...
 
2013-08-29 12:54:20 AM
Hrm, could Prenda lawyers pass the bar in the UK ?  Suing potential customers for not disclosing the charge sounds right up their alley.

But the premium number regulator Phone Pay Plus says the public should think twice before setting up their own lines.
They say phone line providers must meet consumer protection standards, which include transparency, fairness and complaint handling, which would mean clearly setting out the cost of each call to any organisation that rang.


I'm slightly amused because my cell phone's throwaway (Google voice forward-to) number ended up with 976 as well as a jumbling of those numbers in it.  So close.
 
2013-08-29 01:11:24 AM

bangmaid: So he got rid of his free #? So his friends and legit calls have to pay to call him now? If not, he still has a free number which telemarketing can still call him on. Defeating the purpose of his brilliant plan.

Also, a minute of his time is now worth 7 pence? Hardly seems worth it unless in missing something.


He has a separate number that's only used by friends & family.
 
2013-08-29 01:15:08 AM
has he even paid off the registration fee yet
 
2013-08-29 01:15:55 AM
"Because he works from home, Mr Beaumont has been able to increase his revenue by keeping cold callers talking - asking for more details about their services. "

Seriously?  At 7p per minute that's less than U.S. minimum wage - to talk to cold callers.  Some business man.  Why not get a job panhandling and triple your income?
 
2013-08-29 01:21:43 AM

Stone Meadow: Abox: In November 2011 Lee Beaumont paid £10 plus VAT to set up his personal 0871 line - so to call him now costs 10p, from which he receives 7p

wut

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It's OK--I speak Brit! :D

Basically in November the guy set up his own 1-900 number equivalent (I'd say 976-number equivalent but I'd be looking old) for which he paid approximately $15 plus tax.  (Basically think of a VAT as being a National Sales Tax that's also a bit of a luxury tax.  You know, like how they do sales tax instead of income tax in Tennessee and Texas and the like. :D)  Now, every time telemarketers call him, they have to pay 15 cents US a call, and the guy who set up the 1-900-number equivalent gets about ten cents of that.

That said, there's actually just as effective a method to make even MOAR money, it does require a court rather than redirecting your home phone number to 1-900-FARK-YOU :D  Namely, under US telecom law you are allowed to sue a telemarketer for $500 per offense--$1500 per willful offense--if you've asked to be placed on a do-not-call list and keep getting calls, if you get calls despite being on the federal or state do-not-call registry (which is now a perpetual registry, you don't have to re-register every five years now), etc.  There's also a lot of things that are considered willful violations of do-not-call laws on their face--calling a number on a do-not-call registry, the use of forged caller ID information, the use of recorded messages (yes, robocalling except for political adverts has been illegal since December 2011, that's an INSTANT $1500), etc.  And yes, you CAN legally get traces and sue VoIP operators and Pink Telcos (like CallerID4U, the latest rebranding of the "Pacific Telecom" telemarketing phish-farm operating out of Telephone Managemet Corporation of Portland, Oregon--a company responsible for almost all illegal telemarketing in the US since 1995 that keeps rebranding itself as its tentacles get sued out of existence by the FTC and state Attorneys-General) as accessories if necessary.

The really fun thing is that in practically every state you can sue in small claims court (yes, even in Kentucky, which has one of the smallest limits for suits in a single lawsuit in small claims) and ding them for $1500 per violation; yes, you can get actual court subpoenas to do legal discovery with telcos, and nine times out of ten the phonespammers never show up in court leading to a default judgement.  Which means you get to garnish their wages and put liens on their property (actual real liens, not bogus fake "sovereign citizen" People's Liens) to get your money.  And you can do this to them EVERY FARKING TIME THEY DO THIS.

Yes, I know people who've actually made a pretty decent living just suing the shiat out of telemarketers...until the telemarketers finally give up after being given a few adverse court judgements :D
 
2013-08-29 01:24:47 AM

Great Porn Dragon: Yes, I know people who've actually made a pretty decent living just suing the shiat out of telemarketers.


highly doubtful.
 
2013-08-29 01:30:01 AM
And looking at the article itself, he's actually done something WONDERFULLY Lawful Evil back at the bastards:

a) He got the rough equivalent of a 1-900 number and gives that out to marketing companies asking for a phone number to contact.  (Kind of the equivalent of using a Google Voice number to hand out to companies you worry could use your phone number for telemarketing and setting said number perpetually on "do not disturb"--but in this case, he uses a British version of a 1-900 number to do so.  This is actually easier to do in the UK as there are a number of 1-900/976-xxxx like services with exchanges that look a lot like cellphone numbers (which ALSO have their own dedicated exchanges and even area codes in a lot of countries).)

b) He reserves his REAL number for Trusted People (family and friends who are not telemarketer scum, and presumably legitimate businesses he has verified are NOT going to resell the number).

c) Bad Companies that resell the number or use the number he provided as "telemarketing permission" end up calling the 1-900-alike honeypot number, guy gets money. :D

As it is, I'm not at all sure that the UK even has an equivalent to the TCPA in the US (the latter being the law that essentially allows one to make money by suing telemarketers in small claims court who refuse to LEAVE YOU THE FARK ALONE)--if not, this IS an ingenious way of getting some profit and giving them some pain.  (Otherwise, I recommend the small claims approach as you can have the judge go after them.  Judges and bailiffs and the like have sharper, pointier teeth in the enforcement sense :D)
 
2013-08-29 01:35:40 AM
This man is awesome!!  I don't care if its only 7p a call.  Getting those time sucking farkers to pay anything for their BS is a victory in my books.

And screw the premium number company telling people not to do this,  EVERYONE should do this!  Maybe it would cause these telemarketers to die a death of a thousand cuts,  it would be glorious!
 
2013-08-29 01:39:06 AM

stonelotus: Great Porn Dragon: Yes, I know people who've actually made a pretty decent living just suing the shiat out of telemarketers.

highly doubtful.


Actually, not doubtful at all--actually knew a fellow on an antispam mailinglist in the 90s who would regularly make money in default judgements in California against telemarketers after passage of the TCPA, and (back when California had a TCPA-like antispam law and before the passage of CAN-SPAM) expanded to suing spammers--and actually got a number of default judgements.  (I will also note that this particular fellow WAS an attorney and a privacy advocate, so he did know the laws a bit better than most.)

Nowadays, it might be somewhat more difficult (due to the fact a lot of telemarketing is actually SPITting--basically a form of "spamming via VoIP" which technically has more resemblance to UCE and forum spamming than to conventional telemarketing abuse) and it's been confirmed that some of the worst SPITters do have bases of operation overseas (the CallerID4U complex--the bedamned "Card Member Services", "Free Home Security System", etc. phishers--is known to have used call centers in the Phillipines, India and is known to have a present base of operations in Belize)...BUT in general they DO have some point of contact Stateside, either a company for whom they're phone-spamming for, or (increasingly) a "Pink Telco" that is set up to manage CLECs for the sole purpose of puking phonespam into the telco networks (again, CallerID4U has multiple farms of "pink CLECs" set up specifically for illegal telemarketing).  With enough research, the actual center of phone-spamming operations can be found, and it is generally Stateside.

/Full disclosure--have given info to my state A/G re CallerID4U based on my own research along with that of other anti-telemarketing-abuse advocates; in my state, illegal telemarketing is actually a felony
//there is an increasing trend of class-action lawsuits against the worst offenders; at least one telemarketing firm in Florida has been sued over bogus "phone surveys" that were actually a phishing scheme related to the "Free Bahamas Cruise" scam, and a class action is being prepared against CallerID4U as well
 
2013-08-29 01:41:03 AM

hitmanric: What about those phone scams a few years ago where each call was being charged at about $24/minute? Couldn't a person get one of those, state the costs immediately, let the computer (usually is) keep talking, and profit?


I think you have to reroute the call through the Virgin Islands or something.
 
2013-08-29 01:41:11 AM

Great Porn Dragon: That said, there's actually just as effective a method to make even MOAR money...


You newsletter, etc.
 
2013-08-29 01:41:51 AM

TwistedIvory: That is f*cking genius.



That dude is LIVING THE DREAM.
 
2013-08-29 01:43:56 AM

chitownmike: So instead of saying 'no thank you, please don't call again' he reads a notice of the charges then wastes his time trying to keep them on the phone and now wants more calls. He doesn't work from home he is unemployed.



Not anymore, he isn't.
 
2013-08-29 01:45:08 AM
If you can get arrested in England for offending someone just by singing "Kung Fu Fighting" in a karaoke bar then this guy getting arrested for theft cannot be too far behind.
 
2013-08-29 01:55:07 AM

Kevin72: He gets 7 pence per minute? Holy crap, that's $6.30/hour! He will be rich in no time. And this time it is literal. In no time will he will be rich.


$6.52. You probably forgot to carry the groat.
 
2013-08-29 01:57:55 AM
ONly 7p.  Can't he upgrade to the $3.99 min porn number?
 
2013-08-29 01:57:57 AM
I wonder if this would work in the US?  Not saying i'd try it but i am intrigued by the legalities for something like this in the US.
 
2013-08-29 02:03:31 AM
"They told You and Yours: "Premium-rate numbers are not designed to be used in this way and we would strongly discourage any listeners from adopting this idea, as they will be liable under our code for any breaches and subsequent fines that result."

Don't make money and piss people off, that's our job. -Phone Company
 
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