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2013-08-28 05:42:26 PM
And now we hear from another Scientology escapee, one who unknowingly auditioned to be Tom Cruise L.Ron Hubbard's baby receptacle

FTFM
 
2013-08-28 05:56:43 PM
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2013-08-28 06:01:40 PM
I understand the appeal of religions like Christianity because of the appeal of an afterlife, and I get the attraction to religions like Buddhism which value wisdom and internal peace above all else.

I don't understand how Scientology has any followers.

The only thing I can figure out is this... The people who find spiritual guidance in a book written by a hack 1950s sci-fi author must be the exact same people who really think that attractive young college student in Nigeria needs their money to get back home. Their target audience can't be normal-ish folks who are slightly naive, or even the moderately dumb ones... they must going after the people who are deeply stupid.
 
2013-08-28 06:07:08 PM

clkeagle: I understand the appeal of religions like Christianity because of the appeal of an afterlife, and I get the attraction to religions like Buddhism which value wisdom and internal peace above all else.

I don't understand how Scientology has any followers.

The only thing I can figure out is this... The people who find spiritual guidance in a book written by a hack 1950s sci-fi author must be the exact same people who really think that attractive young college student in Nigeria needs their money to get back home. Their target audience can't be normal-ish folks who are slightly naive, or even the moderately dumb ones... they must going after the people who are deeply stupid.


Stupid, yes, but mostly egotistical.

Don't forget, Scientology believes that everyone secretly has super-powers. And all it takes is a lifetime of payments for lessons on how to unlock them! Unless you are rich and/or famous, then you get to have super-powers right away.
 
2013-08-28 06:08:00 PM
"It is our most modestly priced receptacle."

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2013-08-28 06:10:34 PM

clkeagle: I understand the appeal of religions like Christianity because of the appeal of an afterlife, and I get the attraction to religions like Buddhism which value wisdom and internal peace above all else.

I don't understand how Scientology has any followers.

The only thing I can figure out is this... The people who find spiritual guidance in a book written by a hack 1950s sci-fi author must be the exact same people who really think that attractive young college student in Nigeria needs their money to get back home. Their target audience can't be normal-ish folks who are slightly naive, or even the moderately dumb ones... they must going after the people who are deeply stupid.


The entry level classes are all about common sense and by the time they start with their crazy ideas you're hooked on it because those early classes really help you in your life.

At least that's how it was until about 10 years ago (maybe internet played a role in spreading the info) when the backlash against Scientology has gained more media time. Now you got to be a bit off to join but there's never a shortage of people a bit off.

And then you have kids that don't know any different because their parents are Scientologists and send their kids to SeaOrg as soon as they turn 7.
 
2013-08-28 06:22:51 PM

clkeagle: I don't understand how Scientology has any followers.


1. There's a fool born every minute.
2. A fool and his money are soon parted.

Once you understand those two rules and what they imply financially, you're qualified to start your own scam/religion.
 
2013-08-28 06:23:30 PM

clkeagle: I understand the appeal of religions like Christianity because of the appeal of an afterlife, and I get the attraction to religions like Buddhism which value wisdom and internal peace above all else.

I don't understand how Scientology has any followers... they must going after the people who are deeply stupid.


Not "stupid," but certainly "damaged."

The entry point into CoS for most ordinary folk is talking a "free personality test." People like tests about themselves and love to know if they're "normal." For people who aren't necessarily secure in themselves, being told that "you personality test showed [all kinds of good things about you] but that you have some incidence of depression [or 'withdrawal' or 'nervousness'] that is 'dragging down some of your scores' [that's a typical hook], but we can help you with that" can be an alluring thing.

That leads into some "auditing" sessions that are a form of talk therapy -- you talk about what's bothering you in life, and the "auditor" watches your "e-meter" readings (which is kind of a crude polygraph) and prompts you to talk more about those things that cause you the most stress. It's probably not surprising that, for a lot of people, just being able to talk about their problems with someone who is seemingly listening and trying to help you makes them feel better. They walk away feeling like the auditing "worked" for them.

From there, It's a short step to more classes, more auditing, and, when they've got you conditioned enough to keep paying, they can break out the really weird stuff.
 
2013-08-28 06:28:19 PM
L.A. girls carry a lot of baggage. Good luck with your career. Stop calling me Heddy.
 
2013-08-28 06:32:10 PM
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2013-08-28 06:35:12 PM

uncleacid: L.A. girls carry a lot of baggage. Good luck with your career. Stop calling me Heddy.


As a girl who grew up in L.A. I resent that. I have a totally normal level of daddy issues.

Article is not surprising. Read a story a few years ago that his handlers tried were auditioning potential wives and telling them it was a movie role. Iirc Scarlett Johansson ran screaming.
 
2013-08-28 06:37:51 PM
Scientology may be kooky as fark but arranged marriages aren't really uncommon in the world.
 
2013-08-28 06:42:14 PM

fusillade762: Scientology may be kooky as fark but arranged marriages aren't really uncommon in the world.


Yeah but Aabheer Patel never went on Oprah loudly and unconvincingly declaring his love for Mrs. Patel.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-08-28 06:56:59 PM
Sperm receptacle, maybe, but I doubt Cruise is depositing babbies in women.

/how formed?
 
2013-08-28 07:00:06 PM

DGS: Sperm receptacle, maybe, but I doubt Cruise is depositing babbies in women.

/how formed?


He just taped a picture of Brad Pitt in vampire garb on her back.
 
2013-08-28 07:01:37 PM
I'll be friends with a hardcore Christian conservative before I'll be friends with a Scientologist.  I've done research on the Co$, and it freaks me out.  It's like the Peoples' Temple minus the grape Flavor-Aid.
 
2013-08-28 07:06:58 PM

clkeagle: I understand the appeal of religions like Christianity because of the appeal of an afterlife, and I get the attraction to religions like Buddhism which value wisdom and internal peace above all else.

I don't understand how Scientology has any followers.


Putting aside the micromanagement and control-freak nature of the outfit... if it were a "regular" religion, it would be kinda cool.  Think of how much more awesome a church service would be if--instead of the Eucharist--a key part of the liturgy involved re-enacting the dropping of H-bombs into active volcanoes from space DC-8s.

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2013-08-28 07:08:53 PM
On one hand, I love hearing about things that undermine the CoS. It's a piece of shiat organization.

On the other hand, it's often hard to believe those people. I mean, they were scientologists. That kind of calls their credibility and judgment into question.
 
2013-08-28 07:18:53 PM

clkeagle: I don't understand how Scientology has any followers.


In addition to what others have said above, they also employ psychological techniques that do help people in their day-to-day lives (ironic considering their stance on psychology).

There was one famous CoS escapee who said he still used some of the techniques even though he was free of CoS and was speaking out against them.
 
2013-08-28 07:26:21 PM

Coco LaFemme: I'll be friends with a hardcore Christian conservative before I'll be friends with a Scientologist.  I've done research on the Co$, and it freaks me out.  It's like the Peoples' Temple minus the grape Flavor-Aid.


I'll be friends with a Scientologist if they're very trusting and don't question why their wallet keeps disappearing and what all these charges to Beverages and More mean.
 
2013-08-28 07:30:04 PM
Oh.

Did they kill her yet?

No?

How about now?
 
2013-08-28 07:30:09 PM

MrEricSir: clkeagle: I don't understand how Scientology has any followers.

1. There's a fool born every minute.
2. A fool and his money are soon parted.

Once you understand those two rules and what they imply financially, you're qualified to start your own scam/religion.


I'd also add, as was pointed out above, the idea of super powers, which really resonates with the age group Scientology focuses its recruiting efforts on. There's nothing about the COS I like or respect or wouldn't put past them, but I'm not sure they're really out there recruiting wives for Tom Cruise.
 
2013-08-28 07:31:28 PM
If he wants one so much, why doesn't he just grow a damn beard?
 
2013-08-28 08:02:29 PM

SomeoneDumb: There's nothing about the COS I like or respect or wouldn't put past them, but I'm not sure they're really out there recruiting wives for Tom Cruise.


I think Cruise is ultimately harmless, but he does seem a bit aloof and vacant, so it really wouldn't surprise me if he's been coddled in such a way by the CoS from the beginning which leaves him more reliant on them than your average Scientology "star".

I mean, yeah, Cruise rides motorcycles, has a pilot's license, and does "cool" things in his private life, but he also strikes me as someone who can fly and land his Cessna but then be utterly dumbfounded in trying to work a toaster oven five minutes later. I wouldn't say that about anyone else in CoS just to be derisive, either.
 
2013-08-28 08:02:37 PM
Scientology is like a sociopathic predator religion.  It is what happens when you remove any sense of idealism or morality from the equation.

Scientology self selects its members(victims) carefully.  It preys upon the weak, the sad, the lonely.  The techniques it uses grooms the individual to distrust others outside of Scientology.  It rewards them with feelings of compassion and togetherness that the individuals lack in their normal lives.

If you want to stop Scientology from spreading make sure your weirdo relatives don't become alienated and depressed.  Or at least make sure they become obsessed with Jesus or Fox News or something.
 
2013-08-28 08:06:00 PM

DGS: Sperm receptacle, maybe, but I doubt Cruise is depositing babbies in women.

/how formed?


came for this. headline is a disaster.
 
2013-08-28 08:17:40 PM

clkeagle: they must going after the people who are deeply stupid.


Cults generally target people who are a little more intelligent than average; the belief that "only stupid or crazy people fall for cults" is one of the things that make them effective.

Their ideal target is probably a fairly intelligent, wealthy person who's moved inter-state for college/work and who doesn't have a support network in their new city. Someone who feels cut off and isolated, perhaps even emotionally vulnerable or depressed, and who knows more money or success isn't going to help. They hook them as much with the social aspect and sense of belonging as they do with the "we can fix what's wrong with you!" pitch.
 
2013-08-28 08:34:55 PM
And cue the usual deflections and lies that:

1.) This is an isolated incident

2.) The person making the claims is a violent and unstable sex-criminal pervert deep in the pockets of big-pharma and the nazi-psychologist complex.

3.) Scientology isn't any different than any other religion.

4.) It's all the fault of an over-zealous staffer who was totally fired right away so it's not a problem anymore.

4.) Oh yeah, and the whole story is totally untrue and anybody who repeats it is a filthy liar.
 
2013-08-28 08:40:01 PM

clkeagle: I understand the appeal of religions like Christianity because of the appeal of an afterlife, and I get the attraction to religions like Buddhism which value wisdom and internal peace above all else.

I don't understand how Scientology has any followers.

The only thing I can figure out is this... The people who find spiritual guidance in a book written by a hack 1950s sci-fi author must be the exact same people who really think that attractive young college student in Nigeria needs their money to get back home. Their target audience can't be normal-ish folks who are slightly naive, or even the moderately dumb ones... they must going after the people who are deeply stupid.


To give you some idea of how they reel people in, here's an ad they posted on craigslist:  http://albuquerque.craigslist.org/act/4028666816.html. You'll notice there is no mention of Scientology in the ad, but if you google the address it is, in fact, the Church of $cientology. Here's another where they specifically target the mentally ill, and once again there is no mention of Scientology in the ad:  http://albuquerque.craigslist.org/act/4026220092.html. "If you do not believe in seeing psychiatrists or taking medications for traumatic experiences, then you have found the right group. We do not believe you should take drugs because you had painful experiences either." A healthy, well-adjusted person would never fall for such an obvious con, of course. They prey on desperate, emotionally vulnerable people, as cults are wont to do.
 
2013-08-28 08:59:51 PM

clkeagle: The only thing I can figure out is this... The people who find spiritual guidance in a book written by a hack 1950s sci-fi author must be the exact same people who really think that attractive young college student in Nigeria needs their money to get back home. Their target audience can't be normal-ish folks who are slightly naive, or even the moderately dumb ones... they must going after the people who are deeply stupid.


That seems like a good comparison. The Nigerian email scammers intentionally write over-the-top, ridiculous copy that anyone who isn't 100% gullible will laugh at and discard.

This is intentional -- why would a scammer waste their time with skeptics? Time is money, and trying to convince people takes time. Much easier to go after the "deeply stupid" marks since the ROI is better.
 
2013-08-28 09:00:09 PM
Dude......just be gay.
I mean, admit it and we're all cool.
I'd even see a Mission Impossible sequel just for you.

It's.....it's ok.
 
2013-08-28 09:09:53 PM
Do not forget Penelope Cruz and Sofia Vergara were up for the part, but the Catholicism was too strong.
 
2013-08-28 09:39:50 PM
Thank God she wasn't Jewish!
 
2013-08-28 09:48:54 PM
I joined Scientology so I can marry Tom Cruise.

I've got a cock and everything. Wish me luck!
 
2013-08-28 09:58:04 PM

theflatline: Do not forget Penelope Cruz and Sofia Vergara were up for the part, but the Catholicism was too strong.


I believe Jennifer Garner was in the running as well until they found out she was pregnant with Ben Affleck's baby.
 
2013-08-28 10:49:55 PM
Did someone say flugelhorn?
 
2013-08-28 11:29:27 PM

gnosis301: Did someone say flugelhorn?


ts3.mm.bing.net

Was it crystal?
 
2013-08-29 12:33:00 AM
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2013-08-29 01:03:48 AM

Mugato: fusillade762: Scientology may be kooky as fark but arranged marriages aren't really uncommon in the world.

Yeah but Aabheer Patel never went on Oprah loudly and unconvincingly declaring his love for Mrs. Patel.


there was just a scene in a bollywood movie where she ran into a field, it started raining, and she started dancing around a tree, and then he showed up.
 
2013-08-29 07:41:12 AM
asked her a string of private questions, including whether she had any "sexual perversions".

That would be bad?
 
2013-08-29 07:48:53 AM

uncleacid: L.A. girls carry a lot of baggage. Good luck with your career. Stop calling me Heddy.


t.qkme.me
 
2013-08-29 07:58:06 AM

malaktaus: clkeagle: I understand the appeal of religions like Christianity because of the appeal of an afterlife, and I get the attraction to religions like Buddhism which value wisdom and internal peace above all else.

I don't understand how Scientology has any followers.

The only thing I can figure out is this... The people who find spiritual guidance in a book written by a hack 1950s sci-fi author must be the exact same people who really think that attractive young college student in Nigeria needs their money to get back home. Their target audience can't be normal-ish folks who are slightly naive, or even the moderately dumb ones... they must going after the people who are deeply stupid.

To give you some idea of how they reel people in, here's an ad they posted on craigslist:  http://albuquerque.craigslist.org/act/4028666816.html. You'll notice there is no mention of Scientology in the ad, but if you google the address it is, in fact, the Church of $cientology. Here's another where they specifically target the mentally ill, and once again there is no mention of Scientology in the ad:  http://albuquerque.craigslist.org/act/4026220092.html. "If you do not believe in seeing psychiatrists or taking medications for traumatic experiences, then you have found the right group. We do not believe you should take drugs because you had painful experiences either." A healthy, well-adjusted person would never fall for such an obvious con, of course. They prey on desperate, emotionally vulnerable people, as cults are wont to do.


And I don't blame Hubbard as much as I blame Heinlen.  Even if the dinner bet story itself is apocryphal, I'm sure Robert said something to egg L. Ron on at some point.
 
2013-08-29 08:13:20 AM

MrEricSir: clkeagle: I don't understand how Scientology has any followers.

1. There's a fool born every minute.
2. A fool and his money are soon parted.

Once you understand those two rules and what they imply financially, you're qualified to start your own scam/religion.


No one ever went broke underestimating the public's intelligence - P.T. Barnum
 
2013-08-29 08:16:23 AM

Uzzah: That leads into some "auditing" sessions that are a form of talk therapy -- you talk about what's bothering you in life, and the "auditor" watches your "e-meter" readings (which is kind of a crude polygraph) and prompts you to talk more about those things that cause you the most stress. It's probably not surprising that, for a lot of people, just being able to talk about their problems with someone who is seemingly listening and trying to help you makes them feel better. They walk away feeling like the auditing "worked" for them.


No wonder they're against psychiatry.  It's the same damn thing.
 
2013-08-29 08:35:22 AM

Ruggahissy: uncleacid: L.A. girls carry a lot of baggage. Good luck with your career. Stop calling me Heddy.

As a girl who grew up in L.A. I resent that. I have a totally normal level of daddy issues.


 "I mean, it's literally like someone took America by the East Coast and *shook* it, and all the normal girls managed to hang on. "
 
2013-08-29 09:08:52 AM

realmolo: clkeagle: I understand the appeal of religions like Christianity because of the appeal of an afterlife, and I get the attraction to religions like Buddhism which value wisdom and internal peace above all else.

I don't understand how Scientology has any followers.

The only thing I can figure out is this... The people who find spiritual guidance in a book written by a hack 1950s sci-fi author must be the exact same people who really think that attractive young college student in Nigeria needs their money to get back home. Their target audience can't be normal-ish folks who are slightly naive, or even the moderately dumb ones... they must going after the people who are deeply stupid.

Stupid, yes, but mostly egotistical.

Don't forget, Scientology believes that everyone secretly has super-powers. And all it takes is a lifetime of payments for lessons on how to unlock them! Unless you are rich and/or famous, then you get to have super-powers right away.


Add to that the fact that it's always appealing to believe that you have information that other people don't have.

Folks who just don't have any sense of self-value can easily get caught up in the 'save the world' vibe that the CoS puts out there.  In that way, it's like most other religions; it gives the individual a sense of purpose, and gives the universe a sense of structure and meaning.
 
2013-08-29 12:05:21 PM
If you are a smart person and have the money to spend Scientology can provide a person with access to resources that would not normally be available to normal people or even finically well of people. Pretending to believe in Scientology could prove to be a very useful advantage in life due to its influence, money and man power.
 
2013-08-29 12:24:41 PM

Burr: Ruggahissy: uncleacid: L.A. girls carry a lot of baggage. Good luck with your career. Stop calling me Heddy.

As a girl who grew up in L.A. I resent that. I have a totally normal level of daddy issues.

 "I mean, it's literally like someone took America by the East Coast and *shook* it, and all the normal girls managed to hang on. "


Ugh. New Jersey and Florida are BOTH on the East Coast, so no.

/realizes it's a movie quote
 
2013-08-29 01:03:49 PM
Afterwards, Johansen, then 27, was ordered to sign a waiver promising not to reveal any details of the "audition".

ROFL - MORAN

/all religion is delusion. get over it.
 
2013-08-29 01:08:57 PM

Mister Peejay: Uzzah: That leads into some "auditing" sessions that are a form of talk therapy -- you talk about what's bothering you in life, and the "auditor" watches your "e-meter" readings (which is kind of a crude polygraph) and prompts you to talk more about those things that cause you the most stress. It's probably not surprising that, for a lot of people, just being able to talk about their problems with someone who is seemingly listening and trying to help you makes them feel better. They walk away feeling like the auditing "worked" for them.

No wonder they're against psychiatry.  It's the same damn thing.


L. Ron came out against psychiatry when one of his early followers suggested testing the auditing and other techniques scientifically.  L. Ron didn't want to be called out on his BS and wanted a free hand to invent more.
 
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