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2013-08-28 04:51:17 PM
Sex, sexuality, and gender are three different things.
 
2013-08-28 05:46:51 PM
So are marshmallows, Graham crackers, and chocolate, but hot damn they work well together.
 
2013-08-28 05:59:36 PM
Looking a few good men?
 
2013-08-28 05:59:55 PM

Pocket Ninja: So are marshmallows, Graham crackers, and chocolate, but hot damn they work well together.


Thank you sir, may I have another s'more?!
 
2013-08-28 06:02:10 PM
I'm not sure subby knows what "transgender" actually is.
 
2013-08-28 06:05:22 PM
What is it that they rate double, Subby?
 
2013-08-28 06:06:08 PM
i know gay isn't trans, but, i never even knew a gay person until i joined the military, and then they were everywhere.  one guy in particular was trying to flip me, and i guess it was a sort of open secret he was gay, but he wasn't out per se.  anyways, back when melissa etheridge came out, i guess she had a song on that album that was about her coming out (??) and he was like, "dude, dude seriously, dude, dudebro, dude, ok, dude seriously, youreally, really, reallly need to hear song #4, dude, seriously, like, i want you to really, really listen to it, the words especially, mmmmmmmmmmkay?"  And i knew what he was saying and i was like, "godammit, i'm not gay, ok, leave me alone?"
 
2013-08-28 06:07:59 PM
Never leave a behind.
 
2013-08-28 06:10:45 PM

rickythepenguin: i know gay isn't trans, but, i never even knew a gay person until i joined the military, and then they were everywhere.  one guy in particular was trying to flip me, and i guess it was a sort of open secret he was gay, but he wasn't out per se.  anyways, back when melissa etheridge came out, i guess she had a song on that album that was about her coming out (??) and he was like, "dude, dude seriously, dude, dudebro, dude, ok, dude seriously, youreally, really, reallly need to hear song #4, dude, seriously, like, i want you to really, really listen to it, the words especially, mmmmmmmmmmkay?"  And i knew what he was saying and i was like, "godammit, i'm not gay, ok, leave me alone?"


And that's when you spit the dick out of your mouth and left?
 
2013-08-28 06:12:48 PM
They obviously pump females full of testosterone when they join causing them to become men.

I guess you could say they're Manning up.
 
2013-08-28 06:12:50 PM
If you're going to fight, CLASH!

/Shirley not Obscure
 
2013-08-28 06:13:23 PM
Who would want to serve in the general population when you could serve in the military?
 
2013-08-28 06:14:46 PM
I like bacon, I like grits
I like pretending I have tits

Bras on!  Put your bras on!
 
2013-08-28 06:16:16 PM

rickythepenguin: i know gay isn't trans, but, i never even knew a gay person until i joined the military, and then they were everywhere.  one guy in particular was trying to flip me, and i guess it was a sort of open secret he was gay, but he wasn't out per se.  anyways, back when melissa etheridge came out, i guess she had a song on that album that was about her coming out (??) and he was like, "dude, dude seriously, dude, dudebro, dude, ok, dude seriously, youreally, really, reallly need to hear song #4, dude, seriously, like, i want you to really, really listen to it, the words especially, mmmmmmmmmmkay?"  And i knew what he was saying and i was like, "godammit, i'm not gay, ok, leave me alone?"


Admin, supply or medical?
 
2013-08-28 06:18:02 PM
I salute our next re-tooled/de-tooled Chief of Staff!

SALUTE!
 
2013-08-28 06:18:55 PM
OK, transgenders are VETERANS of the military at a higher rate than the gen pop. Nobody was serving as a trans gender (unless deeply closeted) until DADT went away last year. It's a little harder to hide living a different gender role than simply being a closeted gay person.
 
2013-08-28 06:22:27 PM

lockers: And that's when you spit the dick out of your mouth and left?


no, farkstick.  it was up my ass.


mbillips: Admin, supply or medical?


ha.  he was Ops, but the same command had the gayest gay who gay'd, and he was supply.  when we instituted a ommand-wide fitness program, he volunteered for it. and the first session, i cannot tell you how "central casting" gay he was.  he had frosted tipped blonde hair.  at the first session, he led us through aerobics, and he had like, matching neon leg warmers AND HEADBAND, and the music was this eurodisco techno, and like a half shirt with nuthugger shorts.  "NOW GRAPEVINE LEFT FIVE-SIX-SEVEN-EIGHT WORK IT!  YOU LOOK GREAAAAAT, YOU'RE SO BEAUTIFUL!"

We were just farking howling with laughter.  SK1(SW) Reich.  why do i remember that?

it was the kind of thing where if you saw it in a movie, you'd be like, "no farking way, that's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over the top, dial it down, that would never happen."  but believe you me, it did
 
2013-08-28 06:25:32 PM
Not a surprise. Transsexuals tend to be the fully accepting type that transitions almost as soon as they can or be repressed and try to embrace the stereotypes of the sex they were assigned to at birth. For transwomen, that generally means military, jock-like behavior, or entering STEM fields (particularly computers and/or engineering).
 
2013-08-28 06:26:51 PM
Are those kinds of surgeries covered by the VA system? I would imagine conscientious objectors have found another loophole.
 
2013-08-28 06:27:24 PM
Not really sure if submitter was trying to be funny, or is genuinely an idiot. Hoping for the former, realizing it's probably the later.

Sexual orientation has nothing to do with gender identity.
 
2013-08-28 06:28:14 PM

mbillips: OK, transgenders are VETERANS of the military at a higher rate than the gen pop. Nobody was serving as a trans gender (unless deeply closeted) until DADT went away last year. It's a little harder to hide living a different gender role than simply being a closeted gay person.


The repeal of DADT doesn't apply to transgender people. We still get thrown out upon coming out or being discovered.
 
2013-08-28 06:29:32 PM

Big Man On Campus: Are those kinds of surgeries covered by the VA system? I would imagine conscientious objectors have found another loophole.


Nope. And objectors would find an easier way.
 
2013-08-28 06:30:10 PM

Exception Collection: mbillips: OK, transgenders are VETERANS of the military at a higher rate than the gen pop. Nobody was serving as a trans gender (unless deeply closeted) until DADT went away last year. It's a little harder to hide living a different gender role than simply being a closeted gay person.

The repeal of DADT doesn't apply to transgender people. We still get thrown out upon coming out or being discovered.


Quit being weird.
 
2013-08-28 06:30:50 PM
The study is flawed on many levels. RTFA
 
2013-08-28 06:32:32 PM

rickythepenguin: lockers: And that's when you spit the dick out of your mouth and left?

no, farkstick.  it was up my ass.


mbillips: Admin, supply or medical?

ha.  he was Ops, but the same command had the gayest gay who gay'd, and he was supply.  when we instituted a ommand-wide fitness program, he volunteered for it. and the first session, i cannot tell you how "central casting" gay he was.  he had frosted tipped blonde hair.  at the first session, he led us through aerobics, and he had like, matching neon leg warmers AND HEADBAND, and the music was this eurodisco techno, and like a half shirt with nuthugger shorts.  "NOW GRAPEVINE LEFT FIVE-SIX-SEVEN-EIGHT WORK IT!  YOU LOOK GREAAAAAT, YOU'RE SO BEAUTIFUL!"

We were just farking howling with laughter.  SK1(SW) Reich.  why do i remember that?

it was the kind of thing where if you saw it in a movie, you'd be like, "no farking way, that's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over the top, dial it down, that would never happen."  but believe you me, it did


The known gays on my destroyer (in '85-'86) were two quartermasters, who went to the XO and "confessed" to get out of a six-month deployment to the Persian Gulf. The suspected gays included a PN3, an RPSN, and an SH3 whose purple flames burnt so bright that his nickname was "Sweetness." He used to refer to his going-out-on-liberty boots as his ho pumps. Nobody had a problem with Sweetness; it was the closeted ones that gave people the creeps.
 
2013-08-28 06:40:30 PM
In before ZOMG THE TRANNIES ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER OUR MILITARY!!!!!
 
2013-08-28 06:42:09 PM

mbillips: RPSN


only Navy will understand why that is so funny.  and it is.


mbillips: Nobody had a problem with Sweetness; it was the closeted ones that gave people the creeps.


yeah.....there were quite a few that were out but no one cared.  there were a few "suspects" but even then, I didn't give a shiat.  the guy i mentioned was annoying, but all things considered he was a decent guy.  i don't think i knew any truly closeted ones but yeah, there were some that folks whispered about.  didn't care, not my business.
 
2013-08-28 06:43:30 PM
ZOMG THE TRANNIES ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER OUR MILITARY!!!!
 
2013-08-28 06:45:32 PM
Who cares, get back to work Airman.
 
2013-08-28 06:46:34 PM

mbillips: rickythepenguin: lockers: And that's when you spit the dick out of your mouth and left?

no, farkstick.  it was up my ass.


mbillips: Admin, supply or medical?

ha.  he was Ops, but the same command had the gayest gay who gay'd, and he was supply.  when we instituted a ommand-wide fitness program, he volunteered for it. and the first session, i cannot tell you how "central casting" gay he was.  he had frosted tipped blonde hair.  at the first session, he led us through aerobics, and he had like, matching neon leg warmers AND HEADBAND, and the music was this eurodisco techno, and like a half shirt with nuthugger shorts.  "NOW GRAPEVINE LEFT FIVE-SIX-SEVEN-EIGHT WORK IT!  YOU LOOK GREAAAAAT, YOU'RE SO BEAUTIFUL!"

We were just farking howling with laughter.  SK1(SW) Reich.  why do i remember that?

it was the kind of thing where if you saw it in a movie, you'd be like, "no farking way, that's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over the top, dial it down, that would never happen."  but believe you me, it did

The known gays on my destroyer (in '85-'86) were two quartermasters, who went to the XO and "confessed" to get out of a six-month deployment to the Persian Gulf. The suspected gays included a PN3, an RPSN, and an SH3 whose purple flames burnt so bright that his nickname was "Sweetness." He used to refer to his going-out-on-liberty boots as his ho pumps. Nobody had a problem with Sweetness; it was the closeted ones that gave people the creeps.


Because its easier to ignore someone who acts like a gay then it is to someone who is straight-acting and makes you question your perception of sexuality?
 
2013-08-28 06:47:01 PM

Exception Collection: mbillips: OK, transgenders are VETERANS of the military at a higher rate than the gen pop. Nobody was serving as a trans gender (unless deeply closeted) until DADT went away last year. It's a little harder to hide living a different gender role than simply being a closeted gay person.

The repeal of DADT doesn't apply to transgender people. We still get thrown out upon coming out or being discovered.


What?  Please provide proof.  Really.  Because in 8 years I've never heard of ONE.
 
2013-08-28 06:47:06 PM

mbillips: known gays on my destroyer (in '85-'86) were two quartermasters


more like HINDQUARTERSmasters, AMIRITE?

waka waka waka!
 
2013-08-28 06:48:09 PM
I've known one transgender person who was in the military.

My college roommate came out several years after we graduated as transgender.  In retrospect, it wasn't a huge surprise.  We always just thought he was kinda quirky, but when she came out (pronoun confusion ahoy!) all her friends basically went "meh, no surprise there."

She was never in the military.  However, she made a point of getting to know fellow transgender persons, for advice/support, and was fond of bringing them around her other friends to introduce them.  One was a transgendered woman. . .who used to be in the USMC, and now was a cop.

Apparently she ran to the Corps to prove she was a man, and after getting out became a cop (and on the local SWAT team). . .and then finally decided she was a she, and became the most butch lesbian I'd ever seen.  Basically she kept the Marine mentality, just decided to refit the plumbing.
 
2013-08-28 06:51:09 PM
Approves...

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-08-28 07:05:23 PM
satireworld.com
Corporal Klinger approves.
 
2013-08-28 07:11:25 PM
(And yes, I know that Klinger was only cross-dressing. And that he only did it in the hopes of getting a Section 8 and sent home.)
 
2013-08-28 07:12:44 PM
Okay, I'm gay; I know transgender people, and I'm a veteran.

I've got just one question:

Who the hell is the "Williams Institute"?
 
2013-08-28 07:12:50 PM
Just a theory, but maybe women with more masculine qualities (read: man in a woman's body). gravitate to the military and then eventually make the change over.  Might also explain why there are so many reports of sexual misconduct in the military.  Lots of college age guys in the military that act like college age guys around women, but these particular women aren't like typical college girls (that are into college aged guys).  Possible that these women, at higher rates than women in the general population, are (a) men in womens bodies or (b) "real" women that happen to be into other women.

But that theory doesn't explain Bradley Manning.  Would think a guy like that would stay as far away from the Army as he possibly could.
 
2013-08-28 07:18:02 PM

Pumpernickel bread: Just a theory, but maybe women with more masculine qualities (read: man in a woman's body). gravitate to the military and then eventually make the change over.  Might also explain why there are so many reports of sexual misconduct in the military.  Lots of college age guys in the military that act like college age guys around women, but these particular women aren't like typical college girls (that are into college aged guys).  Possible that these women, at higher rates than women in the general population, are (a) men in womens bodies or (b) "real" women that happen to be into other women.

But that theory doesn't explain Bradley Manning.  Would think a guy like that would stay as far away from the Army as he possibly could.


I'll admit I'm not well informed when it comes to transgender data, but if I had to hazard an educated guess, I would think that the number of men who feel like women is greater than women who feel like men.

Maybe that's just bias I've picked up from media, as it seems to be more acceptable for transgender characters to be male-->female.

Does anyone have any actual data on this?
 
2013-08-28 07:20:16 PM
So, yeah, here it is.
I am 36 years old. Homosexuals do not bother me. I live in the middle of our country, people have always felt I was okay to come out to. 20 years back, I had guys and gals use me as a sounding board in there experience of coming out to their parents. Early HS in Nebraska.
I have been dragged into so many situations I find odd and unpleasant.
The only times I have ever lost a fight was nothing to do with me, but putting myself out there for two gays and one les.
I have hired many gay/les people. Have held a trans hand before a surgery.
But
I am not gay. No deciding. I never had a phase.
Somehow it is okay for them to treat me as abnormal.
Look, I give no shiat. But I am becoming a bad gut for no reason.
Lately, I am the bad guy.

I enjoyed so many things as them or anyone.
Holidays.
Weddings
Bad feelings.

I just want to scream that the are the  farked up ones. Seriously. Science says homosexuality happens when opoprtunity passes.
that is you gay penguins.

So yeah, Do not tell me it is normal. I willactually fight you on it. And, apparently mbecide winni. I will make you eat a bug.
Here it is, I have no issues wth gays. Stop telling me it is normql.
You are not representing on tv? I am a farking indian. Native. Stfu, everyone has to be gay for you.
 
2013-08-28 07:20:44 PM
If the Williams Institute said it, it must be true.
 
2013-08-28 07:25:09 PM

meow said the dog: I just want to scream that the are the  farked up ones. Seriously. Science says homosexuality happens when opoprtunity passes.
that is you gay penguins.

So yeah, Do not tell me it is normal. I willactually fight you on it. And, apparently mbecide winni. I will make you eat a bug.
Here it is, I have no issues wth gays. Stop telling me it is normql.
You are not representing on tv? I am a farking indian. Native. Stfu, everyone has to be gay for you.


Go home, you're drunk.
 
2013-08-28 07:28:04 PM

RealAmericanHero: meow said the dog: I just want to scream that the are the  farked up ones. Seriously. Science says homosexuality happens when opoprtunity passes.
that is you gay penguins.

So yeah, Do not tell me it is normal. I willactually fight you on it. And, apparently mbecide winni. I will make you eat a bug.
Here it is, I have no issues wth gays. Stop telling me it is normql.
You are not representing on tv? I am a farking indian. Native. Stfu, everyone has to be gay for you.

Go home, you're drunk.


For cereal, super cereal
 
2013-08-28 07:32:18 PM
That's what soldiers want - to be in combat with a person who is so severely mentally ill they convinced themselves that chopping off their own dick will make them feel normal.
 
2013-08-28 07:38:29 PM
If you can look down at your parts and be confused about what you are, that's a mental problem you created yourself, not an identity problem. Stop eating so much Soy Men, it will start to fark with your brain and make you think you should be a woman. Its good for women, not for you. Chemistry is how we feel, think and grow. When you adjust that chemistry, the body responds. Simple as that. Just like adding hormones or taking them away.

blogs.discovermagazine.com
 
2013-08-28 07:40:08 PM

mbillips: Nobody was serving as a trans gender (unless deeply closeted) until DADT went away last year.


Nobody's serving as transgender now - it's still not permitted. DADT had no effect on policies regarding gender identity.
 
2013-08-28 07:40:11 PM

meow said the dog: So, yeah, here it is.
I am 36 years old. Homosexuals do not bother me. I live in the middle of our country, people have always felt I was okay to come out to. 20 years back, I had guys and gals use me as a sounding board in there experience of coming out to their parents. Early HS in Nebraska.
I have been dragged into so many situations I find odd and unpleasant.
The only times I have ever lost a fight was nothing to do with me, but putting myself out there for two gays and one les.
I have hired many gay/les people. Have held a trans hand before a surgery.
But
I am not gay. No deciding. I never had a phase.
Somehow it is okay for them to treat me as abnormal.
Look, I give no shiat. But I am becoming a bad gut for no reason.
Lately, I am the bad guy.

I enjoyed so many things as them or anyone.
Holidays.
Weddings
Bad feelings.

I just want to scream that the are the  farked up ones. Seriously. Science says homosexuality happens when opoprtunity passes.
that is you gay penguins.

So yeah, Do not tell me it is normal. I willactually fight you on it. And, apparently mbecide winni. I will make you eat a bug.
Here it is, I have no issues wth gays. Stop telling me it is normql.
You are not representing on tv? I am a farking indian. Native. Stfu, everyone has to be gay for you.


I don't like it when you are serious on this alt.  It's creepy.  What happened to the confused asian girl?
 
2013-08-28 07:41:13 PM
Maybe some sort of internal compensation.  I don't mean that in an insulting way, just trying harder to prove they are a true man due to conflicted feeling about gender roles as they play out in the United States.

\Not intended to offend, just an idea.
 
2013-08-28 07:42:13 PM

Foundling: Okay, I'm gay; I know transgender people, and I'm a veteran.

I've got just one question:

Who the hell is the "Williams Institute"?


That's what I don't get. I mean they were good tennis players and all ,, but, should they really get their own institute? Just because they look like transgender people doesn't mean they should pontificate.
 
2013-08-28 07:43:24 PM

Exception Collection: Not a surprise. Transsexuals tend to be the fully accepting type that transitions almost as soon as they can or be repressed and try to embrace the stereotypes of the sex they were assigned to at birth. For transwomen, that generally means military, jock-like behavior, or entering STEM fields (particularly computers and/or engineering).


I heard an interview on NPR talking to a tans who said that one noticeable change from taking testosterone was a sudden interest in science.

I Am Not Making This Up.
 
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