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(NewsBusters)   FOX is more tolerant of liberals than MSNBC is of conservatives, says fringe right-wing rag The New Yorker   (newsbusters.org) divider line 177
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2013-08-28 04:10:12 PM
Dara O'Briain on the media's obsession with balance:

So they interview a rocket scientist.  "Mr NASA guy, you've built a new space station."

They go, "That's very interesting, But for the sake of balance, we must now turn to Barry who believes the sky is a carpet painted by God. Barry, what do you think of this space station plan?"
 
2013-08-28 04:33:15 PM
Sorry, but Fox News makes the propaganda newsreels in Starship Troopers look like Edward R. Murrow on CBS. There's just no comparison between MSNBC and Fox News.
 
2013-08-28 04:36:02 PM
Television news isn't.
 
2013-08-28 04:42:44 PM
I'm so sorry for being intolerant of your racism, homophobia, willful ignorance, hatred of women, fear-mongering, and overall lack of any redeeming qualities either as a human being or a citizen of this country.
 
2013-08-28 04:49:13 PM
Maybe, but FOX calls guys like Dick Morris their liberals.
 
2013-08-28 04:49:14 PM
Are Micheal Steele and Joe Scarborough not conservative enough?
 
2013-08-28 04:49:23 PM
modern conservatives offer nothing of value to the discussion, why do we have to have them giving any opinions on any news network, that's the real question we should all be asking.
 
2013-08-28 04:52:59 PM
NewsBusters? Fix old no new.

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2013-08-28 04:53:17 PM

Mugato: Sorry, but Fox News makes the propaganda newsreels in Starship Troopers look like Edward R. Murrow on CBS. There's just no comparison between MSNBC and Fox News.


How many conservatives get asked to go on MSNBC and decline, don't return the call, etc?  While some of the ones who do go on MSNBC may get ambushed from time to time, you could count the number of libs who don't get ambushed while on Fox on one shop-teacher's hand.

Maddow invites a wide array of conservatives to come on her show all the damn time, and she treats them with respect and dignity (not the same as fawning).  Still, precious few of them take her up on it because they know she'll try to cast her icky Journalism spells on them.
 
2013-08-28 04:54:37 PM

RowdyRough: Are Micheal Steele and Joe Scarborough not conservative enough?


RINOs, both of them (see, if you win an election, you must be a RINO)


Last week, Joe and Mika were away... the guest hosts looked they were trying to outdo Faux with their derp...
 
2013-08-28 04:55:37 PM
Erik Wemple, lol.
 
2013-08-28 04:55:40 PM
If MSNBC could put in some effort and try to catch up to Fox News on the bigotry and xenophobia, we could even this "tolerance" out...
 
2013-08-28 04:56:20 PM

maddogdelta: RowdyRough: Are Micheal Steele and Joe Scarborough not conservative enough?

RINOs, both of them (see, if you win an election, you must be a RINO)


Last week, Joe and Mika were away... the guest hosts looked they were trying to outdo Faux with their derp...


Okay, so, aside from when Jaun guest hosts the O'reilly factor, when do liberals run shows on Fox?
 
2013-08-28 04:56:50 PM
www.glasswings.com
 
2013-08-28 04:57:02 PM
Then why not link directly to the article by The New Yorker that says Fox News is more tolerant of liberals than MSNBC is of conservatives?

/unless your claim is full of horse feces
 
2013-08-28 04:57:43 PM
"Sure, Fox News murdered dozens of babies...but let us not forget that I once saw MSNBC throw out recyclable trash in the non-recycle bin."

Oh, OK...they are all equally bad then.
 
2013-08-28 04:59:04 PM

peasandcarrots: [70x70 from http://www.glasswings.com/comics/idrewthis/comics/idt20061019cablelibe rals.png image 70x70]


...Stupid autocheck. Please ignore that man behind the curtain.

Meanwhile, this: http://www.glasswings.com/comics/idrewthis/d/20061019.html

I'll be over here. Crying.
 
2013-08-28 04:59:38 PM
That's why Maddow had on that crazy guy who said we needed to dilute atomic waste in water then sprinkle it over the country. And she let him talk and didn't interrupt him.
Bill O couldn't let the President complete a sentence.


Conservatives are far less visible on MSNBC than liberals are on Fox News, except for: Steve Schmidt; Josh Barro; Abby Huntsman and many others. Micheal Steele.
The over-all impression is that your average Republican or conservative is simply too fanatical to be part of polite discourse.


Well, kinda true.

Even the title of the article is a lie: the New Yorker piece he quotes is about focusing the network to be more like Maddow.

Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.

Oh. Professional liar is he?
 
2013-08-28 04:59:44 PM
Notably absent from any commentary on the New Yorker article I can find (the actual New Yorker article is paywalled) is any substantial evidence that Fox is at all tolerant of liberals. The bits that have been quoted are all about slamming MSNBC as a lib echo chamber. The closest thing to a suggestion that Fox is any better is this:

Conservatives are far less visible on MSNBC than liberals are on Fox News, and the right-leaning guests who do appear are typically critics of the conservative movement...

And this is because liberal interviewees are more willing to go on Fox than conservative interviewees on MSNBC - but is that because they actually are less respected on MSNBC than libs are on Fox, or are conservative interviewees just less willing to confront a cross-examination of their views than libs are?
 
2013-08-28 05:01:20 PM

King Something: Then why not link directly to the article by The New Yorker that says Fox News is more tolerant of liberals than MSNBC is of conservatives?

/unless your claim is full of horse feces


That at least has a reasonable answer: the New Yorker article is behind a paywall.
 
2013-08-28 05:02:00 PM
Well the slanted article quoting a couple paragraphs from an editorial is all the proof I need!
 
2013-08-28 05:02:09 PM
They're both shiatty.
 
2013-08-28 05:02:17 PM

King Something: Then why not link directly to the article by The New Yorker that says Fox News is more tolerant of liberals than MSNBC is of conservatives?

/unless your claim is full of horse feces


Because that really isn't clear unless Erik Wemple translates the article for you.
 
2013-08-28 05:02:43 PM
dunno if anyone noticed, but there's very little daylight between the obama administration's message and how msnbc pitches the news. i hatewatch quite often and it's an embarrassment 9 times out of 10.

maybe that's why they lost half their viewers.
 
2013-08-28 05:02:54 PM

King Something: Then why not link directly to the article by The New Yorker that says Fox News is more tolerant of liberals than MSNBC is of conservatives?

/unless your claim is full of horse feces


Yeah, I was gonna ask if anyone who's actually read tfa would help us all out and either post a link to the original article or at least tell us how they've quantified or judged the "tolerance" of both networks.


Here is the New Yorker mag search result for the terms 'msnbc' and 'fox' sorted by descending date, and I don't see anything recent on the list that seems to be about the relative tolerance of these two networks...

 
2013-08-28 05:03:02 PM

Lochsteppe: While some of the ones who do go on MSNBC may get ambushed from time to time


When a conservative calls "What newspapers do you read?" gotcha journalism, the definition of "ambush" gets a little ambiguous.
 
2013-08-28 05:03:09 PM
Foxnews is very tolerant of Liberals and pays them very well. But you must never ever go beyond the narrow talking points foxnews establishes and never point out what a bunch of lying hypocrites they are and if you do your interview will be cut off abruptly and you'll never be invited back and you'll never get a paycheck from them ever again.

Citation:http://www.csmonitor.com/The-Culture/Latest-News-Wires/2012 /1127/Fox- N ews-ends-interview-after-Thomas-Ricks-criticizes-network-video


Remember most of these people are professional talking heads and say what they say because there's a paycheck involved.
 
2013-08-28 05:06:41 PM

the_dude_abides: dunno if anyone noticed, but there's very little daylight between the obama administration's message and how msnbc pitches the news. i hatewatch quite often and it's an embarrassment 9 times out of 10.

maybe that's why they lost half their viewers.


That, or because it is not an election year and us progressives don't need to live in an echo chamber constantly telling us that the entire world is wrong.

Do you watch day or night stuff. The day time stuff is crap and indistinguishable from CNN both sides news.
Hayes, Maddow even O'Donnnell are pretty good.
 
2013-08-28 05:07:39 PM
That's not really even shocking or unsettling.  The fact of the matter is that the modern conservative movement is way less tolerable to a normal human being.  Look at the response to Cory Booker's latest quip - blatant homophobia and hate.  Look at Robertson's latest batshiat crazy tirade - that gays spread AIDS by cutting people with special rings.  Look at the fact that the right wing is less likely to support an identical product that promises less pollution?

Those aren't exactly fringe outliers of a moderate movement.  That is the heart and soul of modern conservatism.  How the hell do you tolerate that?
 
2013-08-28 05:09:30 PM
Are they counting Bob Beckel? People like Bob Beckel are only on Fox to make us libtards look like drunk, sloppy, incoherent messes.

Dahnkster: NewsBusters? Fix old no new.


Goddammit, I forgot to check before I clicked and now I've lost 3 IQ points.

/down to 187
//187 ftfm
 
2013-08-28 05:09:46 PM

mediablitz: Well the slanted article quoting a couple paragraphs from an editorial is all the proof I need!


They literally had to mine that quote from a blog that linked to a New Yorker story which was primarily about how MSNBC had lightened its image from being an abrasive Fox knockoff with Obermann to a lighter, even-keeled Maddow.   Sad really.
 
2013-08-28 05:10:28 PM

the_dude_abides: dunno if anyone noticed, but there's very little daylight between the obama administration's message and how msnbc pitches the news. i hatewatch quite often and it's an embarrassment 9 times out of 10.

maybe that's why they lost half their viewers.



Just curious -- how would you judge the "daylight" between how Fox News Channel pitches the news and the Republican National Committee's message?
 
2013-08-28 05:14:13 PM

aurorous: Foxnews is very tolerant of Liberals and pays them very well. But you must never ever go beyond the narrow talking points foxnews establishes and never point out what a bunch of lying hypocrites they are and if you do your interview will be cut off abruptly and you'll never be invited back and you'll never get a paycheck from them ever again.

Citation:http://www.csmonitor.com/The-Culture/Latest-News-Wires/2012 /1127/Fox- N ews-ends-interview-after-Thomas-Ricks-criticizes-network-video


Remember most of these people are professional talking heads and say what they say because there's a paycheck involved.


right, it's a high mark of courage among young, naïve liberals to come into the opposition's house and spit on the floor. so brave and honest, maaaaaaaaaan.

i remember watching the jon stewart interview on crossfire when i was a clueless college student without any experience working in the professional world. of course i thought, "yeah that's so awesome, stick it to them!"

i watched again a couple months ago and all i could think was "jeez, what a self-righteous prick."
 
2013-08-28 05:14:25 PM
Comparing MSNBC and Fox News is like comparing arsenic to cyanide.  Sure, one might kill you faster than the other, but neither one is good for you.
 
2013-08-28 05:14:51 PM

Witty_Retort: Hayes, Maddow even O'Donnnell are pretty good.


Maddow('s staff) publishes daily blog posts consisting of nothing but citations for everything she talked about that day.  That alone puts her miles above anyone else.
 
2013-08-28 05:15:56 PM

the_dude_abides: aurorous: Foxnews is very tolerant of Liberals and pays them very well. But you must never ever go beyond the narrow talking points foxnews establishes and never point out what a bunch of lying hypocrites they are and if you do your interview will be cut off abruptly and you'll never be invited back and you'll never get a paycheck from them ever again.

Citation:http://www.csmonitor.com/The-Culture/Latest-News-Wires/2012 /1127/Fox- N ews-ends-interview-after-Thomas-Ricks-criticizes-network-video


Remember most of these people are professional talking heads and say what they say because there's a paycheck involved.

right, it's a high mark of courage among young, naïve liberals to come into the opposition's house and spit on the floor. so brave and honest, maaaaaaaaaan.

i remember watching the jon stewart interview on crossfire when i was a clueless college student without any experience working in the professional world. of course i thought, "yeah that's so awesome, stick it to them!"

i watched again a couple months ago and all i could think was "jeez, what a self-righteous prick."


You can be right and a self-righteous prick at the same time.  I think Jon Stewart's interview on Crossfire falls into that category.
 
2013-08-28 05:19:00 PM
Well of course, Fox has well known "liberals" on their network every night.

What a Fox "liberal" looks like.
upload.wikimedia.org
One part drug/sex addict, two parts nutjob, three parts watered down ideals; combined with 3 conservative co-hosts and 1 conservative comedian = shouted out liberal half-opinions on The Five.
 
2013-08-28 05:21:21 PM

MrSteve007: 1 conservative comedian


They're still trying to make us think there's such thing as a funny conservative comedian? Have they learned nothing from the Half Hour Comedy Hour?
 
2013-08-28 05:22:52 PM
Here's the reason Farklibs think FOX is biased even thought FOX is more tolerant and has more liberals on than does MSNBC conservatives:

Because FOX pundits and hosts give everyone a fair shot and hold everyone on their shows accountable. This means both cons and libs wind up eating crow. While, on MSNBC, there's no serious representation from the conservative side.

"Joe" is not a conservative, btw.
 
2013-08-28 05:24:26 PM

Witty_Retort: That, or because it is not an election year and us progressives don't need to live in an echo chamber constantly telling us that the entire world is wrong.

Do you watch day or night stuff. The day time stuff is crap and indistinguishable from CNN both sides news.
Hayes, Maddow even O'Donnnell are pretty good.


msnbc is an echo chamber too. they're just echoing a different message. but it's all in lockstep.

regarding their primetime lineup... chris hayes may be the most boring guy on television. lawrence o'donnell isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is. rachel maddow is the best of the bunch but she can't fix msnbc's problems all by herself. the whole ship's going down.
 
2013-08-28 05:24:48 PM

phaseolus: how would you judge the "daylight" between how Fox News Channel pitches the news and the Republican National Committee's message?


When Steve Doocy read an RNC memo on air the daylight approached zero.
 
2013-08-28 05:25:06 PM

dookdookdook: Witty_Retort: Hayes, Maddow even O'Donnnell are pretty good.

Maddow('s staff) publishes daily blog posts consisting of nothing but citations for everything she talked about that day.  That alone puts her miles above anyone else.


It's also why she is so hated by the right wingers. She presents facts.
 
2013-08-28 05:26:11 PM
Both Fox and MSNBC are biased to their own parties. Basically What O'Reilly is to fox, Rachel Madcow is to MSNBC, both parroting the party line.


/Occasionally watchs Stossel on Fox
//Only watchs MSNBC on Friday and Saturday nights for Lockup.
 
2013-08-28 05:26:28 PM

Aristocles: "Joe" is not a conservative, btw.


In future, please put shiat like that at the front of your posts so I can properly do a "stopped reading there" reply.
 
2013-08-28 05:28:31 PM

Aristocles: Here's the reason Farklibs think FOX is biased even thought FOX is more tolerant and has more liberals on than does MSNBC conservatives:


do any "farklibs" even watch 24 hour news networks? I read news aggregators like fark, listen to NPR, and for more fun news watch and read vice.
 
2013-08-28 05:31:15 PM
No one can tolerate the stupid. Why? BECAUSE IT BURNS!
 
2013-08-28 05:31:20 PM

the_dude_abides: Witty_Retort: That, or because it is not an election year and us progressives don't need to live in an echo chamber constantly telling us that the entire world is wrong.

Do you watch day or night stuff. The day time stuff is crap and indistinguishable from CNN both sides news.
Hayes, Maddow even O'Donnnell are pretty good.

msnbc is an echo chamber too. they're just echoing a different message. but it's all in lockstep.

regarding their primetime lineup... chris hayes may be the most boring guy on television. lawrence o'donnell isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is. rachel maddow is the best of the bunch but she can't fix msnbc's problems all by herself. the whole ship's going down.


Yeah, they all follow the administration and never complain about drones, or Gitmo still running, or CIA/NSA spying, or Wall Street not being punished, or....
Lock-freaking-step.
 
2013-08-28 05:32:45 PM
Here's the original New Yorker article, some of which is behind a paywall

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/09/02/130902fa_fact_sanneh

Here's another piece on the same article from WaPo

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/08/26/msnbc- mu st-agree-tv/
 
2013-08-28 05:33:34 PM
Who cares?  They both farking suck.
 
2013-08-28 05:37:07 PM

dmaestaz: Both Fox and MSNBC are biased to their own parties. Basically What O'Reilly is to fox, Rachel Madcow is to MSNBC, both parroting the party line.


Aren't you adorable?

dmaestaz: Only watchs MSNBC on Friday and Saturday nights for Lockup.


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